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Hi Tracy,
Independent backside serpentine lines – YES! That is exactly what we need to work on. I LOVE when a question goes to an instructor and they totally get it. Thank you! I get a kick out of how hard you are “selling” this on the video. I get it! I get it!
So, working on the serp line is the backside slice (“around” in Enzo’s case). But I would also want to have this with a wrap, so I guess I’ll have to work both (“push” is the backside wrap). Granted, his backside wrap performance isn’t fabulous, but he clearly demonstrates that he understands that he will be going in different directions depending on the verbal.
Well – I have to say that your baby introduction to backsides really caused something to go “click” in Enzo’s head. I worked on that for a while, did contrasts with the threadle IN and then put it back to the side. He was almost perfect on “around” versus “get out” but still a bit harder to do “nothing” versus “get out”. Here is a sampling of that, just fyi.
Then I did a bit of the jump/tunnel discrimination. That was fun, especially with a whole jump, since you have both a front side and backside. Here is a smattering of that:
Hurray – what fun!!
Thanks,
BarbHi Tracy,
Thank you – that was wonderful. Love the tunnel/wrap proofing game!
Derrett people are using blinds? The world is coming to an end! <snicker>
I am hoping that the backside send in this way will help me with the backside slice/serp as shown in the attached picture. The difficulty is keeping him “out” on the line to #12 – as you can guess, he wants to come in to the frontside.
(I can’t figure out how to attach an image from my desktop, so I made a short video of the image:
https://youtu.be/qkrBsdXrMJM)Here is the training video. https://youtu.be/4xYNnlH9VAI
I missed videoing the first session – it was just working on the straight lines. I included some in this video. I was not surprised that Enzo was more-than-happy to ping out to the jump; it was more difficult to keep strong enough connection to keep him with me. After a bit of practice, that became pretty smooth.
The first half of the tape is “get out” and it became pretty nice. However, it was much more difficult to get him to the backside. As you will see, we struggled with that. Ideas welcome!
As I stare at this video, it seems that he is willing to move away from me (sideways) and take the front side of a jump but moving away and taking the backside WHILE I KEEP FACING forward (with feet) is too weird/difficult for him. I’m thinking I should go back and break this into even smaller pieces:
– Stand still, feet forward, send out to backside from various positions along the line using extreme connection
– Very slow walk starting various places along the line
– Gradually add speed
What do you think?Thanks,
BarbOh my!
I prepared this entry a few days ago but (somehow) didn’t get it up. So, now I have this entry and a question about this week’s work.
Question first:
I have tried quite hard to not teach a “get out”. Well, that’s not exactly correct — better to say I have taught it only a little bit and try like crazy never to use it. It has always seemed to me that “get out” does not fit into either of the motion based handling systems I have used (now mostly Mecklenburg melting into One Mind).So anyway, this is making me nervous, I guess is all I can say. So maybe you can send me some more reassurance…?
AND the CRCD code for these setups…?
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Here is the entry I wrote 2 days ago:
First (before I forget), YES, I would love to see the proofing game video.
Second, this video is too long, especially for the second time on this setup. So, please, just watch it go by and let me know if there is something particularly egregious you want to bring to my attention. I think I worked through some stuff and it went reasonably well. (At around 3:30 my editing skills went to sleep, too…).
I read your notes carefully, studied and considered them, and then, immediately ran my dog exactly the same way I did before. Good grief! ***sigh*** (The course was dismantled and rebuilt but I think it is very, very close to how it was before.)
As the tape goes along, I think you can see that we get better at it. 😊
You can also see my use of “if I want THIS I’ll do THAT but if I want this other thing, I’ll do a different thing”. As an x-obedience trainer, this is a very appealing way to think about a problem. In no case did he go off course, although some turns were a bit wide. 😉
One thing I notice, he is very confident of where he is going from 9 to the weaves and goes very, very fast. I’d like that speed in other places. 😊
At one point, I address the camera about wanting more drive out to #4. The first time I tried by shouting louder (really, Barb?) but the next time I added motion and got a better result (but not back to 5 nicely enough).
Then I sent out to the weaves…. Then I put it all together.
Then I played a bit…Verbal cues:
Easy – general collection cue
Dig – wrap right
Check – wrap left
Right – 90-degree right turn
Left – 90-degree left turnThanks,
BarbHi Tracy,
I left my weave poles where they were and created a nice distraction to capture careless handling. 😊
He read 1-2-3 right off the bat and made a beautiful jumping effort on #1 every time.
After the initial run with weaves, I gave it some more thought and decided that I could get to 5 for a FC/BC. Still not the turn I wanted.
There was some bad-dog behavior around the toy, so I put it in the middle and then I put it at #4. That was a good reminder to leave the toys until allowed.
At the end of the session, I still don’t have a nice turn at #5, so advice there is welcome. At the very end, I did a zoom on that turn. I am thinking the issue might be training, not handling. He isn’t reading all those collection cues as true collection. I could put him in a sit, put the toy on the exit line and work it like that. Agree?
Thanks,
BarbHi Tracy,
It was a REALLY good thing you sent the CRCD – I would never have built it so big!
Here is the first part of week 2 longer sequences. I had a lot of happiness with Enzo on these; his response to the verbals was lovely, especially his clear understanding of the difference between “check” (wrap left) and “left” (turn left).
Barb
Hi Stacy,
Great review – thanks!
Regarding not going backwards – apparently that is an issue I really need to work on. It came up in the Zoom and again here. When I look at the video, especially the FC, I want to scream “Stop bending over!”.
Thanks for the hints about training the lap turn. My Belgians just didn’t have this much trouble with it.
I’m not in full agreement with the wideness of the turns at 1:40 and 1:55. Any tighter and the wing would be down. (??) Now, a better exit from the tunnel would be very helpful.
I can certainly do the blinds sooner on the last sequence.
Thanks! I hope to be able to work on the longer sequences on Thursday. 😊 Maybe you could just put the CRCD code for that in your reply. <grin>
Thanks,
BarbHi Tracy,
I couldn’t find a “maximum minutes of video” guidance so I just sent all that I would if there weren’t any. This is the week 2 short sequences
Set up 1: Front Cross
For the first rep, I used the in-your-face connection and got a nice turn. Then I tried it with less and got a wider turn. For rep 3 I went back to the stronger connection for a lovely turn.Set up 2: Lap Turn
As I said, I had to teach it. I still don’t like that he won’t come in close to me and turn more tightly – advice welcome.Set up 3: Slice
Well, this is exactly what he wouldn’t do on the lap turn – it was easy. 😉 I did include a lap turn to make sure we were straight on the difference.Set up 4: Blind/wrap
I thought this one went well; did 2 reps.Thanks,
Barbps: PLEASE include CRCD codes for your courses. 🙂
WOW, just WOW! The seminar by ZOOM was amazing! I had no idea it would work so well. Actually, I had no idea what it would be like but I didn’t expect it to work that well. It was amazing. And — you are wise to keep it to 4 hours. By the end my head was ready to explode and Enzo was snoring! 😊
Congrats!!
Hi Tracy,
We are off restriction!
I didn’t get video but I did work on the jump before tunnel exercise. I’ve had dogs who really struggled with this but Enzo isn’t one. With jumps at 20” I moved it forward from 15 feet to 10 feet and he never came close to dropping the bar. And we were going FAST. I didn’t go any closer because
(1) I think 10 feet is plenty close enough and
(2) I hate “testing to destruction”.Thanks,
BarbHi Tracy,
Well, a million thanks for your noticing eye: yes, Enzo is sore. The Chiropractor only found him “out” in his front left but he was sore all along his lumbar back. I probably caused this by overworking collection drills; (I’d really like to have one dog in my life who actually knows how to collect when asked).
So, we’re on “no jumping” through Sunday but swimming is ok, so we’ll do that.
Thanks!
BarbHi Tracy,
What I think is: “Wow, I really hope Tracy is right!”
I don’t have a massage appointment soon but I am seeing the chiropractor tomorrow (normal monthly session). I think she’ll be able to advise if she thinks he is sore. I do know a masseuse, so I can get him an appointment if I need to.
I suppose he might be sore but I’m not at all clear on why. We have been doing some foundation contact work but I’m not sure why that would make him sore. Otherwise, I haven’t seen any particular thing. Although, of course, running and ripping around the yard with the other dogs always has accident potential. I didn’t see anything but I could easily miss it.
On the A-frame suggestions, I have a beeper mat which I bought for Lollie’s running DW. I didn’t really need it but it’s around somewhere. At the current moment, Jen Pinder and I are working on ground work with lead changes. That seems to be a big deal for him (Jen calls Lollie a “lead change savant” to explain why she never needed any special lead-change work).
So, I’ll give him some time off and see what my Chiro says.
Thanks!
BarbHi Tracy,
As far as new things – well, that’s part of what makes it fun. Moving on to the coursework…
I set up the Masters Course and I think he was over faced. At any rate, it was a serious goat rodeo. I’m putting up a video showing what happened and I mostly want a quick piece of advice:
Should I just renumber for course #2 or should I build and work on the Novice courses?
Throughout most of camp, I have felt that the master’s level work was good for him: pushing and difficult but not so hard as to be discouraging. This morning, I think it was too much.
PLEASE keep in mind that the contacts are still a work in progress. I’m not really worried about them (yet). Although, because I was watching the running A-frame I was late on the next line. And all of his A-frames were awful.
When I first saw this course, I thought that the two interesting parts would be
• #3: should I do the forced front or the German?
• #10 to #14: could I get far enough aheadI have no idea why so many bars went down. I wasn’t able to get far enough ahead on 10 to 14 because I was watching the truly awful A-frame performances. <sigh> I thought about a spin on #9 but didn’t want to take the time.
So maybe the best thing to do is to glance at this and suggest I go do the novice work. Which would be fine.
Thanks,
Barb
