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okay I have edited the other video. I had to work with fusion to get it but it flowed. In Synch I had to support more and then got stuck so couldnt get to the next spot but we got pieces. Her understanding of the backside wrap is still not completely there but it is coming, I kept wanting to move a fraction too soon. basically the bits I got right she got right.
we have been working hard on her stay – sometimes it shows and sometimes it looks as if she has never been asked for a stay.
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Okay I have been experimenting I think the issue is that neither of my dogs understand their turn cues on a verbal so when I am not on the same side as verbal they go for where I am – so been doing some work on this slow progress. This is worse when I am moving less or coming out of a tunnel.
Did some traning at weekend finally some sun. Saturday things we struggled. But sunday both dogs enjoyed the exercise. I set up one of popouts with weaves. In Synch weave is coming but she still struggles so didnt really expect alot as not done weaves as part of a proper sequence before. But I was pleased she seems to be starting to understand backsides even if we got a slice instead of a wrap sometimes.
will edit videos tomorrow and hope to get another training session in before leave to look after dad tomorrow.
Beverley
PS Maybe that sun session training with friends so spent quite abit of time looking at lines- another sign should walk courses more in training. But also amazed at how focused both my dogs have got when lots distractions- people, dogs, horse poo, horses rabbits etc.That was a quick reply.
Mum had a progressive disease for a number of years and deteriorated in last few months. I have been back and forwards to help and she has now passed creating more things to do. Dad is almost deaf and cant see very well at the moment so alot of work trying to get him sorted as well. Now eye surgery scheduled and so will need looking after as only allowed up 5 min every hour for first ten weeks. One of times i regret when they are three hours away. my brother thinks its my responsibility as i am the girl and he is busy. on mums last bout of illness and for her funeral I ended taking one of the dogs who regularly boards. messaged client to say sorry her dog was leaving town shre could have her back when I returned.
sunny couple of days so did a little training. some of sequences only did once as she did well.
https://youtu.be/SC-INcRiyUM.
the next exercise was surprisedshe didnt do as well as I expected. moved jump too far and other interesting thing she struggkled more when i swapped to toy to make reward easier.
next video fusion and kept all walking and course thinking in
the second exercise i discovered i never actually walked it….
I am really struggling with the some actions the turn away or when come back on me. did the one with the layering with weave tonight and was not happening will try and post tomorrow will need to rewatch videos as think i am right and then it is awkward and not work
Beverley
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apologies dog training has just not been happening- have been away dealing with parents alot – my dogs but no space or gear and the days I am home the weather has been really miserable and wet – with ground too slippery to do anything.
I did get out yesterday – will edit videos later and both dogs were feral and I was so out of synch with them both. Hopefully can get some training done this weekend and then away again.went to deal with earlier videos yesterday- seem to have lost some. but heres working in synch on teaching her a backside and a backside wrap- once we got started she got it when I was right.
some of fusions work
some in synch earlier work
Between the rain and family stuff we havent done much lately and it shows.
two weeks ago we had a go at parts of week1 agility course- at a friends place with big distances and rough ground. But what most impressed me with both my dogs is that inspite of strange place with lots of horse poo plus horses very close behind a single wire they both focused. Didnt get much of course done but did manage to pursuade In synch to go over a strange dog walk and a frame. She had to think about it a little .
Also set up a jumpers but super spread out and too hard for me to run to get to some spots but she did some good distance work and some questions. She tried hard- very obvious she didnt understand backsides or different side of jumps. same in popouts so need to go back and teach on its own.
yesterday attempted one of the poputs from the jumpers – we struggled she was not finding the linbes (mainly because Iwasnt right) It was very spread out and got used to Fusion who had no trouble unless i stuffed up. also we are both out of pracitse esp me.Hope the weather isnt too bad where you are.Hi thanks for your comments
One thing to add at home is getting her as aroused as possible, then asking for simple stays.
Haha still working hard on in between ie presence of agility equipment – then will move to high arousal- doesnt take much to crete that three or four jumps will do it... She is not 100% sure about the layering, so that is where we will want to look at reward placement to help build the skill.
Yes this is new to her. I realised later I should have had her bag out there. I stupidly thought are she sends she will be fine- forgot that adding the tunnel in changed the picture.Remember that these are not gamble sends, they are parallel path lines. If you are sending and not moving, she will correctly read that as turn cues and curl in.
Yes I realised that too. I think it was because turning a corner it felt easier to stop..
– Send to 1 and 2, then run run run 🙂 no standing still!
– throw the reward out on the line, don’t reward from your hand (more on that below)
is it okay to have reward ahead of herBack to reward placement:
To really build the understanding, though, throw the reward sooner and out on the line. It looks like you were rewarding from your hand which builds more value for coming to you and not staying on the line. Yes can be dumb sometimes – she cant be bothhered finding food if I throw it. need to use a toy or a placed reward.This means you will need to run with the toy in your hand so you can throw it easily and on time, which is great experience for her as she learns to self-regulate arousal. If she is not great about bringing it back right away, have a 2nd toy to call her back to. You can also use a food toy like a lotus ball or treat hugger, as long as she can open it herself and not need you there to open it.
Alaways use two toys or a placed anchored toy. Treat tuggers etc only interested in as a toy will not look for the food- too much effort for food.One more idea about reward placement:
To get her to not jump up on you: don’t use a ‘yay good girl’ because that is not super clear and she will jump up. Instead, use a reward marker and throw the reward. Ifyou are throwing the reward, jumping up won’t be a problem. You will likely need to work out getting the toy back after you throw it so you can really work on the distance and layering skills.will do
Sequence 2 went well too – when she lines up between your feet (fun skill!) be sure to step away and have her on the correct side so she knows which way to go rather than releasing from between your feet.
working on it. This is the first time tried it in presence of jumps and she is still not 100% sure of me moving (she thinks I might stand on her) so I didnt want to push it so didnt move. But it is proving the easiest way of getting her facing the jump rather than yelling at me..Seq 3: If you are not layering, try to run that opening line 1-2-3-4 silently, so you crank up your connection – that is where her questions are (not enough connection). Same goes for any sequence not layering: run silently to really emphasize connection and not high arms looking ahead. Yes, I am evil 🤣😂😁 but it will make a huge difference!
will doSorry did some more work while weekend as limited daylight and chances to do
We did some more work on sequence 5 with her bag out there and she layered beautifully – why- I was moving and she had plenty of speed and it was the second time. Unfortunately the videoer stuffed up and didnt get it on film. Pity as she did some really nice work and it felt almost smooth and calm…Its didnt last
Then tried seq 6 – things went abit to custard. Waits started to fail and I was all over the place. I couldnt get the first layer and the second layer she did the first jump fine but was going wide and missing the next jump then cutting in bypassing 11 and coming to 12. Because I wasnt getting the 1st layer i wasnt in the right place to get the slice to turn around and go back. on video I can see arms and everything going in all directions.
first go
the rest sorry not pretty
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In Synch is a work in progress with waits. I now have a good stable wait away from jumps and often in presence of a couple jumps at home it is still very difficult elsewhere. I tried a plaftform and yes she was stable onplatform but hard to get her to be settle on platform. I have been experimenting with a between the legs this has been helping alot although not as obvious in this session. I placed her there a couple of times in this session havent tried that before I think it helped. Here is first 4 jump indep exercies the far jump (no 4 in first exercise) was hard to get she tended to curl in unless i went the other side of the tunnel. Something to work on. After 4 exercise In Synch said she had enougn and so we finished it was nice she told me and didntjust go silly. Did also with Fusion and she aced them all – showing me how far she has come- if only we could get in the ring.
BeverleyYes. I did it and it was reasonably easy not surprising as both have strong drive to jump but got thinking why couldnt they do it in the ring then. Realised more obstacles behind them in ring when start is away from course. They go but arent we go the wrong way in the ring so will work on this.
InSynch says its not the wait itself that is hard it is staying still long enougn to get a wait. Once she sits still (In Synch says shouldnt be allowed) can get some lead out but all or nothing at the moment.
these look fun. As expected neither of my dogs cared about be being behind them. But I thought I might set up the same exercise with more equipment behind them as I think they will find that harder. In Synchs biggest issue was waiting !! no surprise there so great exercise for reinforcing her wait.
Beverley
Had a weekend away last weekend. In Synch was going great we just had a few off courses because I either didnt see something when I walked it or I couldnt get the commands out early enougn to prevent. The courses were all at the hard end for the level.Will post videos when get round to editing them. Nice that I knew each time what went wrong although after a mistake is made it is hard to get a smooth run back.
Waits need a lot of work – she has totally worked out the game so lots of work happening here.
Interesting getting alot more drive over the last jump but no longer wanting a pick up she is growling with excitment as she goes around. Was very pleased so much value for the bag as when she didnt want to be picked up we just headed to the bag and moved away. Got the treats out and she was putting her head in lead for treat. This was our original plan before she started coming to me to be caught. So no panics no pressure just a practised finish.
Interesting she was highly focused on food especially at the end of a run this is new usually toys are all she is interested in.
Lots of wait training going on at home and else where. Plus some weave work.
Weaves I opened up and got more range in terms of direction. When closed again didnt see any change in that still going fast and from different angles. so the opening was a good move. Have added a jump before the weaves and she loves that.Contacts have been using a target at the end of the dog walk – she is much more confident on my dog walk and getting a run down to the target.
Overall pleased with progress – just need to work hard on generating value for the waits.
Beverley
Is she offering different behaviors after 2 reps, even when she has been correct? That is something to work through at this stage before closing the weaves because it might be a sign she is still guessing on the first 2 reps. So you can open the weaves up for more success and more reps.
so obvious.yes she starts offering different behaviours after a couple of reps unless go do something else and come back. I think it is because she is unsure and starts to think too much and starts to think she is wrong also weaving is hard. I have opened up and this allows me to move around more ie different angles so this makes different I think in her head. If I send several times in same place I get a look that says why again- but she is more confident and fast when it is more open. I like this as I like to ping pong difficulty and struggle with this with weaves – so stupid not to have thought about opening up again. Have never trained channels before so didnt even think about it.
Also discovered if I am in the right place she does backsides and threadles- so just need to add the verbals and move me out of picture slowly.>
This is good!!! And yes, you can add more independence. How often are you seeing backsides and threadles in course design? I am guessing you see them at the higher levels – we see them a lot at the higher levels of one organization but much more rarely in the others.
None or if they are so open dont need the handling at her current level but alot in next level up. Although happy to stay current level am aware this may not happen . If we get it right and no spins or stops in a split class she is likely to win. If we get it tight and correct good chance she may win in unsplit but somew fast mid dogs so this is less likely.
Beverley
Oops I am good at that when loading from phone
Leash off games are off to a good start. She found it exciting 🙂 TThe next step here is to be standing, then moving: take the leash off and reward after she sticks with you. Then if that goes well, take the leash off and reward after you move a few steps and she sticks with you. Then add a jump to the picture: for her to ignore and not to run to, when the leash comes off.
we have done quite a few of these games- I was feeling lazy and also wanted to go back to easy stuff as felt it was losing some value when always done around jumps. So this week have been trying to get alot of success and value in with very little failure just to reinforce the value of head into collar. Trying to see how many places and ways we can do it without pressure.
weaves ony really get two reps before she starts to try other things. I do sometimes use a wing – yes entrance needs some work but just pleased she is now driving to the end fast . She is better at getting entry when I have a toy rather than food. This morning added with me at a different angle she didnt care but need to add more and more severe also need to add me moving at the moment I am out of the picture
For the contacts: at this point, try to be more systematic about moving across them: you can back chain like you did on the last rep here, but that also means not letting her start without you 🙂 If the contacts can’t be lowered, then definitely back chain. You can bring her over to it on leash then pick her up (thankfully she is small :)) Also – you will want to add criteria for the end. Does she have a target you can use? On the video here, she went down the plank but jump off the side (did not touch yellow) and turned back to you. So definitely time to add a target to help her complete criteria.
haha great minds think alike – used a target this morning much better driving down. I had just been pleased that she was going up and over in one direction I wasnt watching the bottom so much. Previously was rolling a ball down so driving to the end. The reason for the difference is that one direction she will go on herself and go over happily in the other direction she bails before goes over the top so I was thinking I would keep backchaining by placing her on contact in direction she is not confident and encourage her to go on herself in the other direction but can go back to keeping both the same.
Also discovered if I am in the right place she does backsides and threadles- so just need to add the verbals and move me out of picture slowly. Have also been working on 270 with the three jumps to work on getting more nighter turns.
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Great job on the good weekend! I think that the dogs missing the same jumps are probably also a connection issue. You look at the video and look for when you are calling them (before the tunnel) and if you are connected on the exit.
definitely and I didnt pick up that that without an instruction that their natural line after the tunnel was wider so they missed the tighter turn to line up for the jump. My bad I didnt see it.Okay have been having rest but also a little training.
Doing lots of lead on off work – video here I am sitting but varying it in terms of my position and location- wanted to reinforce the value of this. Also doing abit with toy and also doing close to a jump
weaves- feel as if gone off script and doing what she wants. She can do six weaves quite close not completely straight but almost. have gone to 12 because didnt want patterning six. Widened them out at the start. and slowly narrowing them. Alterating according to success and failure. So in middle widest as that is where she kept failing and second six wider than first six. Have kept first six wider than when just six. I am also varying the distance I am to the weaves. I havent done alot of me changing the angle of the send since went to more poles. But firstly she seems to be having fun and when I only do 2 high rate of success although if dont eset her up right she will miss the first one. So each session making a little piece harder and then doing two attempts and finish. Totally not what I have done before The weaves are in a line just middle wider and on a slope. on watching video shouldnt have let her bounce in and out coming back.Contacts. Dog walk mine she will go in one direction on her own and robyns also one direction. coming further yup ramp on second side and okay if start her on middle plank. A frame she has offered a go over on a lowered aframe a couple of times but most of time still running up and doewn or if lace gher at top she happily runs down
