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Here is our stuff from last week
video 1 using a platform with waits. This is his third session I didnt get film of the earlier ones. He was less settled in this session- didnt really want to wait.
video 2
tunnel work- he was a bit hyped in this session. second bit is on a different day and I used a toy to encourage a sit. A toy makes him higher but he works harder to focus
video 3
Was me playing using a toy on a chair as distraction and get wraps around barrel plus sits and rewarding with a toy tossSorry missed the zoom. I wssnt aware there was a time change.
I havent posted last weeks video as i am lost about what to do at the start. After last 1on1 you were going to review video and then last thursday when discussed again you said you would give me some ideas when you had a chance to review the previous two weeks video. The isdue as raised is he cant sit to start when any possibility of doing equipment. We struggle taking off lead. Have been trying different startegied as shown in videos and out of ideas. Prrviously we poisoned sit cue trying to fix issue. I have run out of ideas. Hard to move forward without something here. As identified previously with out a stable behaviour to start his arousal is climbing. Have tried using a platform so far result much same.
Apologies again for missong meeting. I organised dogs and logged on at normal time.
Hi
I waited to post this video for last week as I was waiting for your feedback from the previous week as discussed on at the 1on1. I was worried about whether I was handling the start line stuff okay as he tends to shut down abit then. Sorry it is too long but for some reason the video editor wasnt allowing me to edit so skip the empty pieces.
As discussed i am unsure that veloz has enougn value for manners minda as he has never been keen on it. he is showing alot more interest in it now. I did get three tunnels several times. he is definitely aroused doing start line stuff as his teeth are chattering but as usual the sit is the first thing to go. It was poisoned earlier when did startwork and associated with pressure. But he is starting to work this thru slowly. Some of video you can see him running off to offer jumps etc.
Beverley
Hi
Not sure whether should be posting this as havent had any comments back on last weeks video yet.
Sorry about muddy attair- had been cleaning flood rubbish and decided to try and get something done before it rained again. Removed sheep and goats temporarily.
After thursday live did some thinking. Firstly I have a manners minda which veloz has always been too wired to use very much- okay inside but not much outside. Secondly I need a decent wait or something at start in order to be able to differentiate wait and go. Am starting to be able to do this with mat and or bowl for finish. But at start he takes off to do things and either self rewarding or gets frustrated. Unless I use snuffle mat and using it here was starting to poison the calmness of the snuffle mat. So need to retrain this in some way. Cant do homework at the moment as too wet and think that we will just increase this issue of how to get clarity as he gets more hyped.
So I got out my manners minda. We did a little work to remind him what it is inside and on porch. I was getting some sit and down around bowl but he was taking from bowl and as soon as took from bowl going over jump. So then did some work manners minda- Heavily rewarded at minda and tried to keep my body language very calm when not running and energetic when running. He left maners minda a bit but returned. To start with he was confused but he worked thruogh. I was pushing minda frequently even if he left so that he was encouraged to go back to it in a way similar to catch it from Tracy where she tosses the treat back to where they were supposed to be sitting even if they have moved. I would have prefered a sit to a down but he was working hard and need to work up to facing the jump . I started to be able to leave him (previously it wouldnt have matter how many treats or what they were he would have left as soon as I moved) I realise this is not ideal but I want to break the habit when we are near jumps we go over them, we get a treat from bowl we offer going over jump to come back and get another treat. Even though we had only three jumps in a straight line his arousal was up. I am planning to introduce Traceys terminal game too. this is where treats are left and walk away take lead off and then return treats etc. I was pleased that although his brain was smoking he was still thinking and he didnt get over frustrated.
Hi Bobbie
Rained again so flooded again and more rain expected today plus having extra dogs staying as their homes not habitable has meant not alot done this week. Have bern doing alot of mat and snuffle mat work inside plus pattern games to keep stress levels down.
Did get onr trip to training area. Both stressed plus kennels full of stressed displaced dogs. So just had some fun was going to do some handling but focused on lrtting veloz stretch legs and reintroduce bowls around agility equipment. Veliz was much happier definitely quite high but was still thinking as demonstrated by still being able to sit. The ability to sit is one of the first behaviours to go. There was alot of food on ground as had a class before this. But the slight reluctance disappeared fast. I did do some shadow handling and toy tosses as well.
Was pleased with tunnel work yes did get a bounce but less intensity and it is not that long ago that even doing one tunnel sent him high.
If this afternnons storm stays away hope to do some box work but not hopeful. It is supposed to be summer here- normally issue is drought not floods. Got water back yesterday although not drinkable and internet intermittent
Hi
Thanks for that
He has been good on lead walking into and around the ring for the last eight trials with no pulling on lead (about 46 times)- managing to sit etc. But since then we have introduced some doing equipment at home so when we were doing no equipment he was managing to walk and respond to behaviours ie sit do tricks etc. Then at last two shows I have put him over practise jumps with no issues (still did walking into ring etc on lead for a range of classes). I am not sure what the difference was here (apart from me) in this is the first time for ages I have had the pulling on lead in the ring.
Since starting to do obstacles again having several issues- he is struggling to sit and struggling being on lead. I agree about the collar holding but I also dont want him just taking obstacles at random as this also builds frustration. At our talk I would like to talk about the lead issue that has reared its head again since starting back on equipment. I feel as if this is following the same pattern as when started training. when I first trained him I used shadow handling and a bowl for reward.
In this video- we havent done much as we were both stressed this week. If I dont hold his collar he is taking agility equipment. If I put a lead on he is fighting (see video) that if he thinks there is any possibility he can go over equipment. If I just walk him around he is fine. He was starting to ramp up if I put the snuffle mat out so I have done alot of just feeding him from the snuffle mat and doing nothing else by equipment. But I am feeling resistance as in okay I will eat can I now go do something.. (okay I dont know whether that is what he is thinking but that is what it looks like). I was feeding on snuffle mat for up to five minutes between reps at home but had trouble getting him to stay eating- he would eat a bit and want to leave and do a tunnel or a jump. The interesting thing is that in more high pressure places he has a different attitude – he wants it and I see him start to relax as he eats. At home I am getting abit of the opposite.
At homewood (not home) I brought out a toy- believe it or not he is more toy orientated as I felt he was shutting down on me. I am not sure this was the right thing to do. Previously I went to a trainer where we did alot of one obstacle then mat work and he started to avoid the mat (he still avoids the mat if I try and do it near agility equipment- I felt that trying to relax on the mat he felt too much pressure even when quite a distance. while before that he was happy relaxing on his mat next to ring.
I havent had any bounces this week. But I am also seeing the stressing down more – always before he has actually enjoyed agility between the frustration. I wonder whether I should allow him to ramp up a little bit. When he is running loose his face when he does a few obstacles at speed makes my heart sing- I am not seeing that when we are training at the moment. Struggling to find that middle ground with keeping him so under control he is not having fun and having him go too high and getting the frustration
Video shows lead issue- I did a lot of shadow handling and worked his tricks after this. I am still doing all the other exercises away from equipment and have spent quite abit of time this week working around equipment again.
Sorry about long message but I am confused and conflicted as feel as if going backwards and in circles. Hopefully we can talk some of this through tomorrow
Beverley
PS yes I think I built in the frustration to agility but think alot of it was partly there because of my inability to do much with him at critical stages . Interestingly we worked sheep with him once before I started agility training and the same behaviours showed in that he got angry when the sheep didnt do what he wanted immediately. Sometimes think he sees me as one of those nauughty sheep not going and doing what he wants..week 4 homework
Tunnel
I had to start super close so as not to get a boil over. In addition it was easier in one direction. I have also done a session with me further up the tunnel similar result but video didnt get turned on. But using a tunnel is going to be slow for a while
two jumps
He wasnt very settled this time- alot of dogs and activity in kennels. It was also super hot.
Ring
I have been doing alot of work in and out of the rings- lead on lead off with a second lead etc and run out to snuffle mat he has got very settled with this although still on his toes. Very friendly show so thought I would add a jump in. (first bit of video ignore a just for me he was lying in the holding area while I got organised very relaxed. I was nervous about putting him over a jump and organising somebody to make sure food in mat plus final jump along way from holding area (holding area- no other dogs but can have food) – he obviously picked up on this as he went up into the bottom of the red zone- but I still got a sit. I let him go over a jump but no clear directions so took another and then he went okay and headed to snuffle mat. was pleased he didnt explode and changed back down to yellow. This is the first time I have seen him start to go off the scale and control it. I know it wasnt ideal and alot to keep working onAm going to start recording on a numeric scale from 1 to 12 . 1 being close to ideal and over 12 being off his head and no longer in control as I am starting to see gradations as opposed to extremes. In additon I will take note of how fast he drops back down and whether he does it or I have to interven.
So around the ring and in holding area with food he is about a 1-2. In ring no food on lead about 2-3. Taking lead off and on or asking for a wait before a jump about a 3-4. Doing two jumps ranges from 5-8 occasionally to a 10. Tunnel at what doing from a 7 to 10. Taking a jump off lead about a 10. Before he spent alot of time at 12 or over.
Hi Bobbie
re what talked in session. here are the videos of going from sunuffle mat to the tunnel. I didnt ask for it – he dived to tunnel so didnt think that was a good thing
first two times I went up the tunnel and he didnt go back to snuffle mat but no leaping at me either. Other two I stayed at snuffle mat asked him to do snuffle mat. again no leaping.
only leaping was when I took him to the far ed of the tunnel and sent him to snuffle mat – realise it was too far away even though at the end it was not much more than a metre. I realise relooking at videso I was totally stationary and also probably where he expected me to be.All in all as said previously was avery short session as I was not happy with what was happening.
As talked about previously I am concerned that I am creating patterns of behaviour (not proper patterns) 1. which is talked about is snuffle needs to be where he expects it or he gets mad. and that once he has had some food out of snuffle mat he can do agility equipment- leaves food in mat. This is relatively new in terms of snuffle mat – noticed with tunnel here but seen it on jumps before . Not sure whether this is starting to get back into loop of agility equipment must do if off lead.
Yes we have being doing this game alot. It works great outside the ring or in holding area and i can get it around agility equipment. Can sort of get a jump to a bowl but much poorer than snuffle mat and working on doing this consistently but he doesnt seem to get it yet. Will try to get video of this if the rain ever stops as part of next video.
My training at moment consists of the following I try to do every day but reality 5 days a week- mat relaxation, shadow handling, snuffle mat work, pattern games mainly treat toss and plates, find my face on flat. Most of this is inside but try and do outside and at least two other places each day.
It is show season here so competitions usually evry second weekend when doing work around ring and in holding area. This consists of shadow handling, snuffle work and plate game with two plates, some treat toss.
plus mat work away from ring. Not sure whether should start putting him over the end jump in a show environment yet or not. Or how I should be slowly extending what I am doing to involve more activity. He is definitely settled around the ring – I am worried when introduce equipment that it might fall apart. as speed and equipment previously resulted in the overarousal.Then sniffying and decompression followng shows and usually at some point other weeks. although they get alot around my property as standard.
So here is my week 2 video. I have done alot with two plates (not presented) as in a competition easy to do two plates but hard to get a clear area for more. Have presented the videos around the plate game using more plates which veloz has done less of. Has been wet as you can see in one video. Also at two other locations. I havent put alot of me moving around agility equipment as found this results in fall out at the moment and usually only a couple obstacles. Note usually about six plates around so that hopefully no matter what we do there is a plate close. Not sure whether I have got the right idea of incorporating the plates into the agility equipment but think this is how you talked about it in the zoom meeting in previous class. I start every session just doing plates not doing any equipment.
Hi I know you said not to post video until you had given feedback on previous video. But it is now the end of week 3 so thought I should post week 3 video. But hopefully by putting in the same message you can find for when you get time to watch.
This training was done after the last talk. Veloz is good at switching between toy and mat in most environments. So was thinking about how I slowly transition. First part of video wasnt really planned but I kept going because it was working. The second dog is my young dog who did throw a spanner in works by stealing snuffle mat so switched to a bowl. I had expected fusion to just cruise but she wanted in and this did lift veloz abit more but once he understood was actually quite settled. didnt leave longer periods on snuffle mat in. Second was a small local show just off the ring (so he does have a long line on just in case) The thng this taught me is that there had better be food in the snuffle mat in this situation. When I have had him in the ring but no requipment and run out to the snuffle mat he has been quite happy to wait. but here he wasnt. I am hoping to do one jump out to the snuffle mat next weekend at the next show just once. I used jumps as the tunnel is associated with flare ups still I just put a little of this in at the end when I tried to do tunnel work today. He could do the tunnel away from the snuffle and run back to nuffle but he couldnt find it when he came out of the tunnel. might do more work with just jumps and then try again perhaps with snuffle mat in the very entrance of the tunnel. I think the tunnel is because the connection is broken. I am trying to keep the equipment low key so low jumps, little movement from me and very simple. As even on the first two bits with jumps his arousal was lifted. Interestingly though even the presence of agility equipment is arosing if he thinks he might be able to do some. when just working around equipment is fine until he gets to do something. I do struggle to slowly lift this as soon as he starts to run he goes into amber. Not far to fiery red from there so at the moment tunnels, too many obstacles, speed, me moving, too long, anything that requires him to think send him fiery red. The environment (apart from me running and stressing) has less effect.
catch up tomorrow
Hi
here is a taste of where we are at.
Video has some of the sorts of things I have been doing moving the snuffle mat- started adding ability of go around to add in a little more movement. also what I have been doing with a jump and tunnel. This is the point at which we are struggling- as soon as add movement from me or more speed with veloz start to get break down so have been sticking as this very simple at the moment.
The stuff by the ring was towards the end of the show at weekend so was session number 7 for weekend- he was starting to get tired but no video of earlier. I got the martingale lead on friday so had done minimal practise . This needs more work both for my mechanics and his understanding as was starting to hit resistance (but amazing considering I had a manic on my hand before when every tried to put lead on or off). A lttle resistant to sit but think that was because he was tired and is still a behaviour in development. But every show I finding that he is ready to do more. Even before christmas the thought of him sitting in the ring would have been laughed at.
I did do shadow handling and pattern games- food toss around the rings and in the holding areas as well and he understands these well.
Things like mat work and pattern games are all working well and definitely change his state of mind.But the big next thing is how to introduce the agility equipment back while keeping this calmness. I am not sure how to do this – almost scared to try. I have started to put in the odd wing wrap around the ring. I need to work on a plan for my home training on doing this. one of other things I need to think about is my next show is in two weeks > i have him entered for one class – my dream is to put him over the last jump to a snuffle mat. But the show manager is open to me doing anything that doesnt cause an issue ( ie no food in ring and cant hold up flow ) but most other things could do. Most show managers not that generous. So need to think if any thing extra want to do.
sorry for ramble- I do have a tendency to over think things – the nerdy side of me…
My apologies I just wasnt sure what I was supposed to be doing over the first week. But will wait for feedback on what we have been going.
Beverley
