[beverley thomson]

Hi

Sorry we have been at the nationals – a good way to make it ran hard.

In Synch did great with pattern games, waits and trick work around the ring -I didnt try when it was raining hard as neither of us would have been impressed. At the moment she is highly focused outside the ring. am Thinking I might try to do a couple of jumps at ribbon trial in dec between courses will see how she goes . Might change things when she realises she can actually run in the ring.

Yes definitely need to tidy my handling and verbals- the blood rushes to my head and ever thought in my head disappears- her and fusion a bit the same silent is a struggle. I also havent taught her alot of verbals at the moment buyt then fall back on needng to talk.. my problem not hers lol

Re the sit cue
I suppose my thought was that she worked really well in the seminar on food and that kept her arousal down a little. Without a sit a toy after a number of jumps tends to send her in to orbit. If I send her off to a toy she takes her energy out on the toy. I tend to be too slow to pull out and throw the toy or drop it onto the ground. I suppose I was thinking at the moment I get I have finished I need the reward now – which is true but I tend to get a charge and a bite . I think I need to work on a finish behaviour of go get toy rather than grab it off me. I dont know but thinking when get to ring need a behaviour that is not bite the momma as soon as do last jump. probably a sit wasnt the right thing

[beverley thomson]

here is the 2nd one- sorry about that.

Thanks very helpful.
I cursed the arrival f the second dog… I had already put it away once.

Beverley

[beverley thomson]

Thanks for that very helpful some I am already trying but good to know what teakes needed .

In the transitions into the sequence (and when you are going to the start after a reward), play with her on the way to the jump – it an be a back and forth pattern where she is moving side to side by not jumping up in front of you. Or, tug with her on the way to the jump. Another option is to have her wait on a platform until you are ready then call her to you at the first jump. I suggest working on all of these so the rehearsal of jumping in front of you is not happening and you can rehearse all sorts of desired behaviors.

Was using a toy for ages even just walking around but I wondered if that was reinforcing her demanding – in that she was used to having a toy and not learning that sometimes you just walk. Waiting on a platform will work on this separately

Picking her up doesn’t teach her anything 🙂 so work her like she is as big as Veloz 🙂 Giving her a different ‘job’ in those moments (tricks or tugging or a platform) will make a big difference.
I agree which is why I am trying other things.

The stays will continue to improve with more clarity of release – right now she is releasing when you move (before a verbal) so let’s get it to where she is holding a sit, you say a release, she moves then you move. If motion is the release, it will be very hard to get a consistent stay so we will really focus on getting you to *not* move when you release her. You are using verbals, but they are happening after the movement so I am pretty sure she thinks the movement is the release.

I have been working alot on her stays away from equipment (left this in video of my training )and they are improving heaps there probably need to do stays around equipment with no doing next. will also change to doing my verbal release before I move so I pattern me. Will be more mindful about what I am doing I think it is that I am piancing that she is about to break and then I go to custard- I need to chill more…

here is video of using more toy with the food and more focus on eating food rather than anything else. Much better in terms of her energy. I did have a long line on her but didnt need it. Interestingly enougn latency doesnt change with environment (until get to high level of doing agility) if anything more focus higher environment- was at a show this weekend and very sharp and focus with the food toss seem close to ring (no video). I left in the rest of the training session even though made for over limit video so you can see other things working on- waits, moving alot more with the food and some toy swop work. actually training this class at the start

She does love to run! But her questions are not impatience, they are more about the clarity of the release. Making it clear will really help her.
Okay yes but I also she her when we first come out running around offering stuff before I am anywhere near the equipment and she does alot of running over stuff with Robyns dogs. I work hard to prevent this now as I want to make sure I am part of the picture and I am not always.

She is doing well with the handling overall – the biggest successes are when you are moving with a LOT of connection (not fast, but super connected). When you are not connected, she is guessing about the line and that is fine 🙂 because we do want her seeking lines and not looking at you. So tackle each sequence with trying to keep your hands super low and pointing to her, not at the obstacles ahead of her (that breaks connection).
My rogue arms —- I feel in this session and often it was more chance that we got stuff rather than connection in that she was driving because it was where she thought she should go rather than because I sent her but working on this.

No verbals – will try but..

Okay I did another session- I shifted jumps slightly so the turns were more obvious- edited slightly removing when I was reloading treats. Left borng toy used previously at home by mistake so more exciting toy but still not at the top of her list. First video had an issue with robyns dog – one hassel when train somewhere else but thought In Synch handled well what was not great. I felt these session were more on track still lots of my errors (ie wild arms and verbals) but felt we were actually clicking in a few places or I knew why we didnt. We had been at a show all day and then she had had a big run so she was more settled plus I set her up better for success by simplifing the lines slightly. Havent really edited so skip past play etc. Second video I needed to stop and sort out the wait when she was close to the jump – as she was breakng and I didnt fix it. Middle video 2 as her wait had been better other places. Seq 2 I simplified and will build up to add in jump 1 as I struggled previously. I need to build so I stay calm then she might stay calm.

Thank you for your patience

[beverley thomson]

hi

It might be because she isn’t entirely sure, and this also might be because the value of the game is not high enough compared to the distractions in the environment. She did well in the videos here but that seemed to be an easy environment.

we have done these games abit and it hasnt changed much so think main thing is not enougn value. although adding marker will help make sure of clarity – like adding in toy. I suppose I hadnt because it was supposed to be about calm and rhthym and toy adds a nte of chaos and get less thoughtful behaviour when a toy present. want to build her want to do thsi game as use it alot with fusion to keep her settled around ring.

have used dishes before for both side to side game and updwn as means can use more around ring and felt created clarity as to where treat was. but will try using my foot

okay next video edited slightly to remove gettig more treats and when I was sorting out where to go but left in all the chaos.

Acutual excercise abit irrelevant – need to get us connected and wrk out how to push the right buttons . Am starting to get a sit at start but very short. have been trying to do tricks around jumps but chaos. this pog sticking is typcal when every she is keen to do anything. I probably made things worse here as had a toy in my pocket which does make her mad but wanted something in between goes as food is good as a reward at the end but then get mad in transition back to start. Picking her up helps but looking for what to do.

exercises a bit hard but heres my general comments. angle wrong for jump 5 first exercise but my arm crazy and she kept going around the back- should have moved jump 5 to set a better line for her. but need to work out how to get her looking for jump rather than just running. as start to pattern tried exercise 2 I couldnt get there for the push around 3 – should have started at 2 so I was there. Looked at exercise 3 but got a bypass of 2 – would have moved but we had both done more than enougn- found later camera had stopped anyway.
sorry so long but mainly interested in geeral comments of how to work these sessions as I feel as if playing catch up and panic and eed more calm from her at start without the frustration. we have done stuff with just one jump . when we connected things are great but chance rather than skill at the moment. t am starting to get a sit at the start but once she has sat she feels it is okay to start- reasonable waits away from agility now. not sure how to make this clearer to her have been trying a few tricks at start but she is not keen Need to channel this impatience to run and start not quite sure how to do this.

[beverley thomson]

hi
Do you mean the intensity of wanting to do the pattern games?
think Imean something abit like latency. that she is doing it because i ask but she is easily distracted and progress is slow. I dont thin it is that she doesnt understand the behaviour but she is doing it because i ask her rather than value to her. She can still put energy into it but easily cuts out. the other dogs get excited when I set up she doesnt really.

I havent really found the full art of reinforcement with her yet. slowly building food drive can now get decent food drive low distractions and high value. recently did a seminar where used almost all food and had huge drive . toys can send her over the top. use steak, cheese,meatballs, possum, liver, and a dog treat- need to mix up as she easily gets bored. However tonight wonder if using wrong rewards. left my dinner roast chicken and salad and what did she steal brocolli and carrot… LOL

videos yesterday and today. no editing asno access to editing . meatball first two sessions. all inside but Te was running arund outside wanting in. all inside in living room which is low distraction

first one not really planned just wanted to see what tricks she remembered and tried a few things new like dance and upon my body and knee. She liked those so might develop these.

next video was playing with watching her body language – ended upmore than five tricks as was focused on her. have done this before but used a different range of tricks. definitely get her focused here need to develop a bridge between this and agility stuff

food toss game. mistake on my part a few pieces were too big – when a piece is too big she either spitts it out or retreats to somewhere like my chair to eat it.this is a game we have done alot but have never been happy that she is fully committed. Treat used here was liver

updown game – have not done alot of this and havent really done the bending down I think this made a difference. treat here was possumuyu world famous in New Zealand as loved by all dogs.

[beverley thomson]

The thing about Paps is that they are Spaniels and most definitely not herding dogs. So are they independent? Yes. Do they seek reinforcement differently than herding dogs? Oh totally yes LOL!!!

haha in her case both- she has decided that she should round up sheep. But yes reinforcement is the hard piece as this is more challenging- she likes speed, toys and will now work a little for high quality food if not too much pressure. Not a great eater full stop. I also stuggle clarity and timeliness of cues – she is not very forgiving when I am wrong as often happens.

It depends on how you are working on it 🙂 What are you doing for calmness?
been doing alot of the stuff from brain camp plus previous course with bobbie- but I do struggle with the limit to her food motivation.
she likes snuffle mats. also the side to side game, have done less with updown game. but also done abit with novel and exciting and doing stuff in different places. But unlike my other dogs I dont feel as if I have the same intensity of wanting to do it that I have with my othr dogs I dont know whether that is because she is still young or whether we dont have the same reinforcemnet intensity built up or whether it is that the reinforcement isnt as good as it is food. Having said that all of these things are better than they used to be. But feel we havent quite made the transition from an individual exercise to something that is part of evey day life. if that makes sense.

We did alot with tricks when she was younger but need to bring it back- life has been abit full on in last few months and her training has not progressed as much as would like for this reason.

[beverley thomson]

life is getting in the way abit at the moment but we did manage to get a bit done on a less slopey plank. It was a bit rocky but she didnt seem to care- couple weeks ago she would have freaked. Still very much a work in progress- she wasnt quite worked out the value of offering but starting to happen
Am going for a 2×2 contact at the moment but will probably change to a running later but am happy if stay at a 2on2

[beverley thomson]

yah

[beverley thomson]

Thanks for the info

This weekend just worked on a few pieces- some work with the raised plank -and some work on waits, and mat tunnel revisited.

beverley

[beverley thomson]

Hi

No worries. I just assumed you had a life … lol turns out just a video issue….
First video I had siilar issues to second.
Have reposted link here 0- but not important as many answers the same.

beverley

[beverley thomson]

Hi
Sorry to hear about crusher- hugs too you. she was lucky to have you as her human.

I have just started to get used to shutting up lol…

Here last two days- i struggled to get my body and mind to work but fusion went where I sent here even if it wasnt right. On the first video we were supposed to go thru on the last sequence I couldnt get this she kept going over jump so need to refresh my me command.

second one more room so spread out. again I struggled abit to run and get the cues but she didnt go off crazy multiple jumping.

[beverley thomson]

Hi

Did some of the accel decelerate yesterday. She did so well jumps were about 5 m apart which is the most distance . Biggest issue was she ran away with toy early on when I used a toy toss as the rewardbut it was funny also as she then came back ad was offering tunnels and jumps with the toy n her mouth. Got things under control when I found another toy. Didnt leave it in the video.

Questions

when is last date submissions as we still have alot to catch up on-have been taking some things slow and weather not cooperative for a while.

When does max pup 4 start- lookng at organising having her spayed but need to get timing right.

Beverley

[beverley thomson]

Hi

I think quiet calm verbals will be even harder than no verbals – just saying …

I did one of the earleier pop outs yesterday when unexpectedly finished work before dark. Then realised it was one I had already done but oh well. I also now have some small numbers for rally- it made course walking so much easier…
A few times I got lost or missed a handling move and just kept going as didnt want to do too many reps.

hugs to crusher

[beverley thomson]

Hi

Hope things go okay with crusher. Drive safe (although you should be home before you read this) Retried the serp yesterday- denitely better with the tunnel first now we both just need to workout what we are doing- me more than her.

Beverley

[beverley thomson]

Hi

Felt this session went much better. Apart from the turnaway but I think we both need to wor this out on a single jump still. Rest was much better in that I got more drive and connection and no tunel to tempt her.

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