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Looking at the run with the patience thing in mind You were a little more patient maybe on the first run but not on the 2nd run (bar 2 down).
Kippy, patience, and the continuation of the struggle in a different way. He runs “my speed.” So if I’m running slower or am not confident in what I’m doing he slows down. If I overthink any of my handling, he takes it as pressure on his line and “floats” away or thinks he is doing something wrong. It’s always been a fine line of running all out all the time with him and trying to handle at the same time. And because I really didn’t teach much for verbals with him, I have to be perfect. For lesson 2 sequences for success, I struggled significantly on the pinwheel with him because I had nowhere to run. That’s why I asked about what you wanted to review on that if we couldn’t get through it on the first round. I think it would be a great example for you to see what I am talking about and see if you can give me input for that situation.
Doing the Blind to wrap worked, but is slower, so working to get the slice line is a priority. Can you do a blind to that flip away (with you on the landing side of the jump)
I’m not sure if we have that skill – I would have to practice it first.
or a double blind (I personally love the double blind there, but I am a nut job hahaha) – you would blind before he exits the weaves (when he is around pole 8 or so) and then when he changes lines to come to the threadle side, you would do the 2nd blind for the jump. It is a fun skill and can be used to replace Threadle handling.
This is actually my default way to handle threadles with him. I feel like my training skills has always been my Achilles heel – I’d rather handle than train it. So, that’s why I pushed myself with Emmie to train all her verbals because it’s very outside my comfort zone. And it’s also why I finally broke down and am trying to train a threadle verbal with him too.
He didn’t come in on the backside at :38 and :54 – I think he is relying on a bit of physical cue, so you can train it so he doesn’t need to be cued to come on, he just comes in.
Prime example of me always handling this instead of training it with him LOL.
On the weaves, your videographer said something about no more than one nice on a night – I agree, if the dogs get it the first time, you can skip asking for it again because those difficult skills are hard to keep doing and often go downhill after a success (dogs start to anticipate).
Again I will keep this in mind for all the following courses.
On the ending line – you were freaking the videographer out LOL!!!! The sound was SO FUNNY!
Julie came over to run some of the courses with Min and Kaladin. I’m also pretty sure my life flashed before my eyes there.
That ending line after the straight tunnel is really hard as a serp, because he sees where you were before the tunnel and is turning left – it makes the right turn so much harder – an then you end up further from the jumps so it is harder to get him to commit to the next one – I think keeping him on your left then serping the tunnel exit so he exits dog on left and then you move into a FC between the 2 jumps might be best.So BC the exit of the tunnel to get him on my left then FC between two jumps?
Hi there! Looking at all 3 videos, I see a theme emerging: stay patient, don’t rush. I know, I know, I hate the word ‘patience’ and also hate BEING patient hahaaha so we will look at specifics on what I mean. And you are going to laugh, because in general it means ‘run slower’. When you were moving really fast in some places, you ended up losing the lines or leaving too soon, so something would go wrong. When you ran a little less fast? You had time to set up the cues and the dogs nailed it!
I struggle with this constantly. In fact it was a huge theme tonight as I tried to start the sequences for success for Lesson 2. With Emmie, I have been trying to run faster with her to speed her up (although I think she’s really gained confidence now and isn’t thinking as much as she used to). However, when I tried to do that I always am on the verge of getting too far ahead and disconnected with her.
You can do the flip away at 2:13 but don’t rush away, be patient more like what you did at 2:44It actually wasn’t my plan to do the flip away at 2:13 – I changed my plan for that section right before I executed it poorly LOL.
On the weaves, she started off really strong with the weaves – you can ask for it once then don’t ask again, because she was popping after that. If she gets it the first time, reward but don’t ask again
I will do that on the rest of the courses.
Quick question – for the sequences for success for lesson 2, what would you want to see if we can’t get through the first time? Do you want to see the redos also? Pinwheels are the death of me.
And here is Kippy on Lesson 1 Standard Course 3. We’ve been taking another threadle class and in between 7/8 and today we have worked a few sessions. I was so proud of him on executing the threadle today with motion in a course. I think I was pretty late when I tried it on the course on 7/8 so didn’t get the threadle but super excited he got it today.
I worked some of lesson 1 standard course 3 with both dogs on 7/8 and then some more of it tonight. So just completed editing the days together. I will say that on 7/8 I probably should have just stopped for the day because I was mentally tired and not handling well. Here is Emmie on Course 3. When I put the days together this went over time so pick and choose!
She got the backside wrap at 1:06 but was careful like Kip was – too much leaning forward pressure there from the position
This is good to know for both of them. They both can wrap so nicely and I always struggle when I’m rushed in course. So I knew it was something just couldn’t figure it out. I’ll have to practice standing up/not rushing these better.
Here’s Emmie on Standard Course 2 as well. I had a target out on the teeter for her. At the end I got a little confused as to what I was doing so did a fake out of a BC.
Here is Kippy on Standard course 2 (set with jump replacing a frame and tunnel replacing dogwalk). I struggled on a lot of parts of this with him. But like I was saying above, he actually listens to verbals more than I realized. A few weeks ago we did a short training session for “go” out of a tunnel to a jump. I back chained it without any motion from me. A straight tunnel to a jump with me getting behind is really hard for him and will usually end up in a fumble or refusal in the middle of the course. I was actually really happy with the weaves to straight tunnel and jump (I think #7?) on this course because he was running full blast forward. Definitely had to break some stuff down and fix it, but I realized through the little training we did in there I was not telling him to jump. But that definitely made it clearer for him. During Emmie’s turn I did the same thing. I told her “go” when I should have told her to “go jump”. I think she took the “go” as the ending line and she was done.
Anyway this has been fun to have him do some of this too because it’s helping me fine tune some stuff with him.
You can start with her on your right and run into the opening, doing a BC 2-3 (starting the blind no later than when she lands from 1). That keeps you running the right direction the whole time while getting the 2-3 turn too
I will try this with Kippy on this course. Honestly I’ve been finding most of these courses to be more difficult with him because he doesn’t have the verbals Emmie does. And I’ve just been struggling in general with him because we are out of sync and haven’t trialed for so long. So it’s been really nice running these with him too.
For now, it was smart to run straight past the teeter and reward her – she was great both times through there. Was the reward placed out there already? If so, she gets a double gold star for ignoring it until she got there.
The reward was placed out there already. 🙂 She looks longingly at it when we leave it there lol.
So a different way to cue that collection can help in those high speed situations: when you finish the FC, don’t turn towards the jump bar at all: turn your feet to her, and use your hands to face her nose (rather than indicate the jump bar or takeoff spot). You’ll find that your back ends up to the wing. That is a stronger collection cue and she will be able to make the turn. It is almost like a half front cross followed by a throwback
I actually think I have to practice this a little more with her too. (For both myself to get the mechanics and for Emmie). I don’t do spins very often with her but I have in a seminar and faced her like you said. She actually had a hard time jumping into that. I think it would be different with all the speed though.
And of course use your directions – you might have been saying it but it is hard to hear because the verbal is quiet and you were facing away from the camera. Or, it might have been hard to spit them out when you are running so hard, so that is definitely something o practice without her: sprinting and saying quiet wrap cues
Since this is the first dog that I’ve trained this many verbals, there are a lot of times I revert to old habits of saying nothing 😀. It’s definitely a work in progress. I also realized doing these courses how much Kippy listens to my verbals too (even though I don’t have many with him)! I might have to start being more consistent with him too!
Hi Tracy,
I hope you enjoy your holiday and do something fun! Here is Emmie on standard course 1. I replaced the A frame with a jump and the dogwalk with a straight tunnel since we don’t have those contacts yet. Not sure if I made it easier or harder on myself ha. I did have a target out for the teeter. I also added a target at the end of the weaves if she pulled out of the poles. But on a great note, she was hitting all her entries! On the first time through to the end, I sent her off course accidentally on 20. I also had a hard time using her verbal wrap cues on this course for some reason.
Weaves – After watching these, I think it could be an inexperience thing: her struggles could be the visual distraction of the other obstacles and/or lack of experience of these entries with all that speed – but she started to get it really nicely, so she was definitely ‘seeing’ them and finding them really well!
Her speed has continued to increase over the past year so that could definitely be a factor.
But since it is REALLY hard to decel and kind of freeze there – the other option is to continue moving through a spin! You had the time to do it and I think it will make the turn perfect.
I like this option!
As you work on the tight blinds, a way to help him understand the turning is to do the blind then run away and reward across your body. So in this instance the toy would be in your left and you would run, showing him the toy in your left, and keep running til he caught up to you.
I’m a little confused on this – can you give another example?
So to leave sooner there, think of it as more of a parallel path backside line and less of a push or send: lead out less but allll the way across #2 – release and move forward to your line with a lot of connection and give the backside cue with as minimal of a ‘step’ as you can do – he should propel away to the backside and then you just run forward. That will easily get you up the next line even more. I try not to use ANY step in these situations: just connection and verbal.
So he has very little commitment – he will take the front side so fast it’s ridiculous so I’ve compensated by overhandling that. And on top of that, we’ve been doing a threadle class so his little boy brain is hurting. He started threadling the first jump off the startline during practice the other day with no cues 🙂 (He tries so hard lol) So his backsides have been hit/miss even more. Can I try your above suggestion and give an example video?
You had the tunnel as 10 here but it is actually 12 🙂
Serves me right for not looking at the map and trying to do this from memory. I missed that whole section LOL.
Here is Emmie doing Jumpers courses 1 and 2. She has really been struggling the last couple of days with this weave entry so I put wings up right away before we ran Course 1. It seemed more distracting than anything for her so then I took them down but she still struggled with it. Then I tried course 1 later again this evening and she was nailing the entry. And obviously had some sort of connection issue after the weaves because she kept coming with me instead of heading back into the tunnel. Sorry for all the background screaming – had both dogs out so I could switch them back/forth.
Hi Tracy,
Here is Course 3 with Kippy. We could not get through it. I could not get a nice turn off 4 or I pulled him off of it. And then I was rushing his weave pole entries (he can hit his entries but it’s definitely something I’ve always managed and is a weakness). He is a very sensitive guy so he can start getting worried he’s doing something wrong if we do it too much. So we tried a few more times in the evening but same result. When we did get to the end of the course there was no way I could push him to the backside of the second to last jump so I just let him take it straight on (because I gave up lol). I tried Course 1 again using your feedback and we were able to nail it on the first try.
