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No, you’d be fine w/o the cross. It’s just an example sequence to do a deep dive on anchor points.
Debbie,
First, sorry for delayed response! I expected better access to Forum than I had for the two days away.
So, LoLo is really fast! You need to handle her on what I think of as “border collie” lines not sheltie lines. Basically, you need more distance! You’re really fast and agile also but you’re moving on curves. At :01, you are inside the pinwheel with LoLo. As she’s taking jump #2, you should already be past jump #3 and finishing your turn (not starting turn). So, for a pinwheel with her, you need to not break the line between jumps 1 and 3. Does that make sense?
Attempt #1
For the first Fc, your position is excellent and you truly executed it running. I like your send to the next jump, which gave you time to move to the second Fc. At :08 you are traveling forward toward the last jump. I think you need to hold up a lot more for her and just send to jump #5. The bar comes down due to the fact that she takes off a bit long for the tight turn.Attempt #2
Awesome! Love how you correct to a much bigger send to jump #2 and are completely out of the pinwheel and are moving to jump #3 immediately! Compare :03 and :14. In your first attempt, you held the “line” between jumps #3 and #4 really well. Notice in screen freeze at :03 that you’re completely between the wings. At :14 freeze, you can see that you ran too far before doing Fc. You got outside the wing of jump #3 even. The bar comes down (:17) when LoLo takes off too early. You’re in position and were showing rotation the entire time you were moving but she misses cue to jump on turn and lifts long and puts turn in mid-air over bar, which brings it down. Again, I like the self correction for the end of the Fc! You do a great job just stopping and sending her!Attempt #3
Fantastic!!! You’re sending big to get separation so your cues are timely and you moved on the perfect lines! Love it!Super happy you were able to repeat in fourth attempt and got same result. You looked very comfortable and LoLo was more relaxed and doing her job too!
I think some of your “timing” issues are LoLo just taking off a bit long for jumps. I would suggest a few session of working on the collection drill so that she gets a chance to truly understand that your position means turn tight.
Excellent training session! Please lmk if you have any questions for me?
Diane
Tom,
First, really like your big send using the pinwheel start! Well done! Cody looks much happier and confident.For the sequence, I agree. Trigger is tunnel send. Anchor for non-wing jump should be the left wing of the green/white jump. Execution is stationary since you were doing a wrap to complete sequence. Immediately after your tunnel send, you needed to “move” a bit faster given the shortish space between tunnel & wing jump. At :15, you are in the middle of the wing and he’s at the take-off point. You are doing a good job of finishing the turn and getting out of his way.
For your second attempt, at :40 (early) it’s easy to see that you moved faster and got turned quickly! You’re thru the turn and Cody is just getting to take-off point. Well done!
On sequence #2 with the weaves, I agree that the trigger is the completion of weaves but you’re anchored more in the middle of the jump. If you were in front of the right wing, Cody would jump the middle of the bar. At 1:11, you can see your arm in the middle of the bar and Cody is jumping the left side. I would like to see your feet pointed toward the new line vs into middle of course. Compare feet position in 1:11 and 1:12. Always finish your Fc turn with your body to show the “new” line. Stopping 1/2 way thru the turn will sometimes confuse the dog into thinking you’re shaping a turn to the left (aka lap turn, Rc or run-over-feet).
Good work! Lmk if you have any questions about week #2 courses.
Diane
Lynne,
Great choice! A concentrated effort now on working distance will pay off big as you trial in masters. Work 5′ increments until Macie “fails” and then work 2′ increments to get lots of successes.
Keep me updated!
Diane
Tom
Sorry for delay. I am at EOTT this weekend in Pittsburgh and have limited internet.
Cody’s send limit isn’t unusual. It is a general issue for lots of dogs and is usually created by the space we train in. They just don’t get to practice big distances. I’m sure if you work at 20’ then 22’ that he’ll get to 25’ quickly.
Yes. The Fc after the AF works as a Bc. We’ll look at a few issues this week on when to consider a Bc vs Fc. For your setup and with a very reliable contact performance like Cody has, it makes sense. Without a strong contact, you indicate tunnel before jump with speed and position so this choice is very dog dependent.
Diane
Debbie,
I want to watch your video on big screen and in slow motion so I can truly see what LoLo is doing. Today and tomorrow I am in Pittsburgh for EOTT. I will send detailed review soon!Thanks for patience!
Hi Debbie,
Thanks for the introduction and for joining the class. Thanks for identifying your primary problem so we can target your training/feedback. I’ve got a house full of shelties who constantly challenge my handling & timing, especially when I shift from experienced dog to my youngster!
Bars are frustrating so we’ll definitely look to get you ahead and turned in time for LoLo to turn w/o knocking bars!
Diane
Mary,
Awesome! I’m so glad you’re in this class and I hope you ask lots of questions! Your intro to the group was nicely detailed and I appreciate knowing what you want from the class. Please lmk if the material in Week 1 is helping to answer the “where, when, why and how” of front crosses.
Diane
Pam,
Welcome! Thanks for the introduction and explanation of what your issues are. We’ll get your timing improved for Pecos and hopefully identify a few training drills that will help too.
Diane
Tom,
Yes! When Cody takes off for jump #2, you are still shoulder forward (no rotation yet) and moving forward. Freeze at :08. This cues him to jump in extension so he lands close to the wall heading for the cones vs landing turned toward you. You’re turning well thru the front by this I mean that your rotation is completely onto the new line. We just need a bigger send to jump #2.
I like your drill at 1:03. You’re showing rotation on release and Cody clearly reads the turn cue since he takes off and lands turning towards you. From a dog training point, I also like the immediate reward from your hand and the long tug-tug session. For your second attempt – adding more distance/motion – you’re a tad late with showing rotation. Freeze 1:28. You’ll see that Cody is already lifting for the jump and you’ve just turned in. He’s committed to an extended take-off, which is why he lands long and has a bigger turn. You need to rotate into his line when he is two strides from the jump. This gives him time to react and put in a short stride. You are using good strong cues. You just need to give them sooner! General rule — do your rotation when it feels really, really early! If you manage to pull him off the jump completely, then you can adjust.
Love your front cross from A-frame to jump. You cue him to move into your line for two strides (preventing a back jump on the green/white) but then immediately and completely rotate to show new line. Well done! Same with front cross after tunnel. When Cody appears, you are rotated to show new line. Nice!
Great video job and I like your space! It’s bright and not too big so perfect for online training class.
Please let me know if you have any questions about Week 1 lessons.
Diane
Hi Ginger,
Thanks for joining the class and providing a detailed introduction. It helps alot to know what students are looking for so we can target specific concepts.
Collection occurs when (a) the dog reads the tighter line and (b) has time to respond. I often refer to the move as “touch and go”. You show the dog where to go, which in this case is the tighter turn, and then move out of their way before they take-off. It definitely requires that the dog understand what you want. Some dogs will extend anyway when you move and open the line. It then becomes a training issue. You’ll see me use this in the front crosses on Course #2. I wait briefly to be sure my sheltie is reading the turn and then get out of his way for the tunnel.
Please keep the questions coming! And, let me know if I didn’t cover this enough or you have a follow-up.
Diane
Hi Lynne,
Welcome to the class and thank you for the introduction. Blinds and fronts are not always interchangeable and that’s a great topic for discussion. Let’s make sure we go over where you would do a blind vs a front cross on the sequences for this class. I’m sure everyone will benefit!
Diane
