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Hi Tracy,
Patella are fine. He back wasn’t tight. Not really sure what he might be doing. We’re going to begin more conditioning as the temps drop – mostly walks at first along with some basic sit-stand, down-stand, and posture work.First session Layering. Didn’t go well. I didn’t handle errors well and Ven was trotting and not staying out on his line. It was muggy but we’ve worked in far hotter temps. After this session, we came in to cool off and when we went back outside, there was a foreign substance falling from the sky. So we both got soaked while I quickly cleared the yard.
Do I back chain, take out the layer jump entirely first, or some other approach? I’ve got an hour ring rental tomorrow afternoon so I’ll setup the other side. No I won’t overwork him. I have to mark where everything is, setup our course, work, and then put everything back so I can’t really get it all done in 30 minutes. I’ll edit videos after each turn while he “chills”.
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy,
>> set him up on a slice facing the backside line
I don’t know how I came up with setting him up to the far side rather than on a slice. When I re-watched the videos this morning, you were clear.Took both pups for a massage yesterday afternoon, Ven had a tight tendon in his back right leg. Not sure what he’s doing to cause that but it’s the second time she’s found that leg tight. I’ll be keeping an eye on it and checking it regularly.
So here is another round of the forced front and forced threadle. I realized about the time this video ends that I hadn’t done any rewarding the start line stay so I actually did about 3 rewards after I stopped the video.
Goodness that boy knocks bars everywhere; even when he’s just coming back to setup he manages to knock them. I counted 5 times he knocked the bar the other day just in one turn. Does he not see it or is his brain just not processing that it’s there? I’m starting to worry when he just walks over the bar taking it out with his chest or a back leg.
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy
Only 97 for tonight’s heat index so I tried to “race him back to set-up” a few times to bring up the energy. I messed up and failed to click the start on my phone so this is the video from our second session.I need to get me figured out. I struggled with which foot and hand went where so before we do this again I’ll be in the back yard watching and talking to my phone while I try to fix me.
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy,
>> For his size, I think 5 feet center-to-center on the bars might produce the best distance (he will let us know based on his striding). He bounced here, no problem, but it was a little collected which might mean the distance was shorter than needed.
I thought Ven might be collected because he didn’t have enough room to run. So for tonight on the other side, I set-up using more yard and put a dish well past the second jump. I think he stretched out a little more tonight.
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy,
Thank you for all the good feedback. I know it took you a while to go through the videos. I realized at the end we’d done too much. My fault, it was so nice to work in the a/c I got carried away. I like the idea of reviewing/editing the video after each short turn. That will force me to stop and give Ven a break which he protests… loudly.I can’t let him run around the room, he pees on equipment if I don’t stay right with him. Every “accident” is a $5 fine. I took him to the vet today to rule out UTI. Nope, he’s “just” an adolescent knothead.
So tonight’s work is a short 4 jump zigzag. Ven said 4 was all he had in him so we stopped when he didn’t want to setup for the last jump (I limit him to 5 on any given day).
My questions:
1. Is the angle of the jumps correct? I walked off a 6′ arc matching the distance he was working in the straight grid.
2. I set the bars at 6″. He’s been mostly jumping 8″ with recently starting to see 10″. He’ll jump 16″ AKC/ASCA and hopefully 12″ UKI/USDAA. He is 15 mos old.
3. Is this camera angle ok or is there a better one? Should I remove the inner wings to make it easier to see him?
4. Next time we do this exercise, reverse the angle so he’s jumping to his left instead of right?
Jean-Maria and VentureHi Tracy,
I was able to get an hour ring rental this morning so we worked all 3 “Lead Outs and Big Lines”. I’m not sure the best way to post all our work for feedback since there’s no way to apply feedback from one part to the other parts. I thought maybe I’d give you the video link and my specific questions so you could just look at the piece I’m asking about. Let me know if this doesn’t work and I can split them up further.Lead Outs and Big Lines 1
Beginning of work – no questions, only included because you ask to see beginning of session
Next section, starting at 2:40 – back chaining the K turn lead out. We really struggled with this lead out so I need help figuring out how to help him. Yes, he opined by peeing on the jump so I stopped the video for clean up on aisle 9.
Continuing K turn work, even with back chaining we were only successful once.
(Yes, I kept forgetting to line him up on the right and then had to re-line him up)
Changed sides, no questions on this one, just leaving it in sequence.
Back chained the K turn lead out and again, only successful once and then back to a fail so I stopped.
Lead Outs and Big Lines 2
No questions on this one, you can skip it if you want to
Leads Outs and Big Lines 3
0:38 – why did he knock the bar wrapping towards me?
Leads Outs and Big Lines 3, part 2
No questions – you can skip
Big Lines 3, changed sides.
I’m just amazed at how much dog I still had left at the end of an hour. This is the end of the session. I’m proud that not once did I see his tail droop. We did have some struggles with the rear cross left wrap direction, probably my handling.
The big question is how to work through the K turn lead out. You will notice I began lowering the bars as the session continued just to keep him from getting too tired.
Jean-Maria and VentureHi Tracy,
>>Time to starting thinking about what you want your threadle wrap verbal to be!
I think I’ve used “in in” for this in the past. Vs using Come for regular threadle for jumps and here-here for threadle end of a tunnel.Lap turns / Tandem turns – maybe I misunderstood the exercise. I was intentionally doing some of each kind of turn because the name of the exercise “Turn Aways (Lap Turns and Tandem Turns)” said both.
Heat index just before sundown the last 2 days has been 107-109. I just couldn’t face it so we’ve taken a couple days off. Hoping tomorrow we can get back out there. When is the last day to post for this session?
Jean-Maria and bored Venture
Hi Tracy,
Safe travels home. I hope Crusher is on the road to recovery very soon.>> Try to line him on up the side you are leading out on
I’m working on either teaching him to line up between my legs (he said WTH do you want) or Come side for right hand. We aren’t there so I used whatever worked for this morning.>> And yes, more connection is needed
At least I’m starting to realize it even when he’s doing the thing but I don’t feel the connectWe worked this morning on lead outs 2 and 3. One video for each side. Lower temp if you call 94 low but higher humitidy.
For the ketchsker, I used my wrap verbal. Is that correct? He really struggled with wrapping behind me going right (second video) so please let me know what I’m not doing to support him. Ven, like Bandit, struggled at first with the 1st and 2nd jump for the throw back. I back chained it the evening before and he got the second side without back chaining.
Side 1
Side 2
BTW – Venture passed his CGC, CGCA, and CGCU tests Saturday morning, outside, at a middle school with lots of kids sports going on all around him. I was so shocked he held all his stays. I credit the catch work we’ve done for MaxPup.
One more video – tonight’s work. Ven has class tomorrow so I doubt we’ll have anything new until Tues.
Turn aways:
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy,
>> He was feeling spicy in the videos! Yay! Lots of speed!
Yes he was. Pretty sure he’d slept a lot of the day at the groomers. Today I had to work in the office so again he got extra sleep time in his big crate while I was gone. He was demanding to work long before the yard had shade.Thank you for the answers. I’m going to stick to the verbals we have and if it becomes an issue, we’ll revisit / teach tunnel specific cues later. I use “tunnel” most of the time so I’m going to try to only use that as my verbal for close end and drop tun-tun. I also found a source for a 9′ tunnel. That’s longer than the 3′ but 6′ shorter than my other tunnel. I think that might be better for us. I have not been able to local anything other than 3′, 4′ or the 9′ for tunnels shorter than minimum regulation size.
I’ll try reducing the setup when we do that exercise again. For tonight, we started on the lead out exercises. I’m just giving you the first session / side. We did work the other side which he actually did better on. Not sure if that’s because he’d seen the other way or just his preferred side. My big question is my handling. Am I connecting enough? It’s pretty tight in the yard and he’s getting it well but is it going to hold up on full size course?
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy,
Thank you for the screenshots – that really helped me see what I was doing. We worked serps again last night and I’m still struggling with my handling so I didn’t upload the videos. I decided to give latent learning a chance to help Venture and give myself some time to practice without him so we moved to Wingin’ It: Tunnel Entries And Exits. I think we hit all the options across these 2 sessions. I don’t think I see any side preferences in these exercises but I do suspect we are seeing some in the serp work.I have some questions about verbals for tunnels. Right now I use tunnel or tun tun for closest entry and here here for threadle tunnel entries. I use come for threadle jumps so here-here is unique to the tunnel. I’m using go, left, right for the exit and trying to give the exit command as close to the entry as possible. If I wanted a really tight turn out of the tunnel I would be inclined to use my wrap commands or a hard call of his name. At our class this week, the subject came up about having unique entry/exit commands for tunnels and not use the same commands as jumps. Do we need this? I don’t mind teaching/learning multiple verbals but right now this is feeling a bit like overkill at this stage of our training. Thoughts?
Jean-Maria and Venture who is wild tonight
Hi Tracy,
Adolescents are so weird. Tonight he was happy to work for his ball with kibble in it. Go figure.It was 104 so we were moving pretty slowly between reps. Two videos. I have a question related primarily to the second video but the progression in video 1 is related. In the second session, Venture missed the second jump twice going towards the tunnel. I then adjusted the angle on the second jump and he was successful. We had already worked through the jumps being angled and then gradually closer to a straight line. Should I re-angle the jumps as we progress through the exercises and then go through the steps to straighten the jumps in a line at each stage or do you think latent learning will cover this?
1st session
2nd session
Jean-Maria and Venture
Hi Tracy,
I’m back from Colorado and we started back to work tonight. Venture’s massage therapist did find a tight tendon in his right rear leg while I was gone so that might be why he was struggling in one direction. She re-checked him Saturday and he was good to go.My first attempt this evening to work Concept Transfer – Serpentine didn’t go well. He wasn’t engaged, didn’t even eat treats out of his lotus ball, and it was super hot and humid. So we bailed. About an hour later, I was hungry and got a stick of cheese out of the fridge and he was all about that cheese so I took advantage and out to work we went. This video is the last chunk of our work. I should warn you that I twisted my back while I was gone so I’m not moving well. Hopefully a few more days and I’ll be able to run / move better. I chose this exercise because it needed less movement to get started.
Hi Tracy,
>> OMG! That is way too early to start work
Only by the power of Dr. Pepper can I do it after staying up to train Ven.>> I bet you felt like you were working REALLY HARD to support his commitment!
Yes! I was beginning to despair ever being able to run UKI as hard as it was going.So here is a couple minutes of video from our second session working baby level threadle wraps with tossed lotus ball. First session I wasn’t sure the ball was going to work because he was still focusing on my hands since the ball was in my hand. So I went simple “lazy” with one wing and worked getting him to do a thing and then get his treat from the ball away from me. What do you think?
I could also try what we do in his agility class where the treats are up high out of reach and not on me. We run a few obstacles and then run to the bowl on the shelf to get his reward. Of course it’s not 105 degrees there.
By the way, I am out of town for a week starting Saturday so Ven’s brain (and you) will get a break while I’m in Colorado.
Jean-Maria and VentureHi Tracy,
3 wing ladder work. The brief reprieve from the triple digit temps has ended. It was 100 at 8pm tonight. There are 4 short videos where we worked FCs on both sides and blinds on both sides. I tried really hard to keep the energy up and make sure his tail never dropped. We had several spots where we struggled so I’d like your thoughts on how I handled those.FC – Dog on left
Blinds – Dog on left
FC – Dog on right
Blinds – Dog on right
I’m surprised we struggled more on the FCs than the blinds. What do I need to fix to help Venture with the FCs?
Jean-Maria and Venture
FYI – we can’t work in the mornings because my work day is starting at 6am so I can train my new analyst in India. By the time I get a break, it’s already in the 90s and no shade in the yard.Hi Tracy,
Here is the video from our last session today. I think I picked the speed back up too fast on the circles?
Getting the opposite end of the tunnel was hard with only a 3′ tunnel so I didn’t worry if I got the blind in but couldn’t get him past the close end of the tunnel.We have started playing a game of tug BEFORE we go outside to work. It’s so hot and muggy that he’s panting too much to play tug but at least we’re able to work engagement before we start.
Should we work this level some more before we move to the 3 wing exercise?
Jean-Maria and Venture
