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So we tried frizz with more stuff in between.
So this is the first time in a long time that I’ve “sequenced” although very small without a reinforcer on me in a very long time. This is also the first time using the leash like this in practice. Very happy with what he gave me. His mouth told me he did not want to tug with the hard frizz on that first rep. Same type of frizz I used yesterday that he tugged with so he might be sore. Twice he did some awful smash into the ground trying to catch the bad throw. When I commented on it, he ran off for a second. He came right back for cheese.
I switched to a softer frizz and got better strike and whoosh from him.Is the leash work that I’m doing here appropriate? He doesn’t seem upset by the leash being put on because we are going right back to start but I don’t want it to be a punisher either.
Sorry about Callie barking extra loudly near the camera.
When I planned this session, I wanted to warm up with remote and then return to turn back
I didn’t foresee him offering to go through the collection of wings 😅 in my head, there really didn’t look like a path was there.
His turn back to toy toy is looking great. (Which I say in Ludacris’ get back voice every time I type it)
There’s one point where I put the reinforcement behind and have one in my hand. I send him back. I mark yes and he drops and comes in for a whoosh. Did I handle that appropriately? I feel like in hindsight I should have had him get more excited about the placed toy. I stopped here because I was overthinking.Another lesson learned not on camera in the strike, around, throw frizz game is that the around is really necessary because if not it leads to catapulting our bodies as soon as we hear our release our jaws word. Ask me how I know 🤣
So when he selectd this frisbee, the next question to ask yourself in planning in: how am I going to get it back? Answer… cheese
So I do actually put a good bit of thought into our session and am a pretty calculating person. I may have just poorly executed things. My general assumption was that since this is a reinforcer off the mama exercise that I really shouldn’t have reinforcement on me
Which brings me to, I think trading is an awesome idea and it works. If we are practicing behaviors without the reinforcement on the person, where do you keep the food? Because this is another one of those concepts that will keep me up at night. Their noses are good enough to know when you have food on you and when you don’t. Fever probably doesn’t care but Callie CARES from within her soul.
Trading is something he needs work with. Food off the mama is something that I need to work with Callie for sure. We’ve been playing these games too. Callies more of a “that scary van said they had free cookies and I have no regrets”Shifting focus to Callie for a second I have a very hard time using toy reinforcement in agility with her. I’m assuming working loops with small things will be beneficial. She has such a high association of food with agility that when I present a toy, she often doesn’t want it and will wait out or search for food. She loved frisbee also but won’t really take it as a reward at the end of the run.
Turn back
He selected this broken and decrepit frisbee for this session and it’s killing my hands. But heyyyy look at that frisbee tug.
Unfortunately he strongly desired to kill it and I lost him shortly into the session. I should have had cheese to trade. I didn’t.
Cute training spill over this morning. We have been practicing out snacks cue every time he comes in with Callie and Fever. I’m hoping it helps Callie not always snatch my fingers. He put his front paws on me to wait for food, which he never does. Super cute.
Plan exactly what behaviors you will ask for – no freestyling or improv. He does not like that.
Ha this was planned, just poorly executed.
have you taught him to jump into your arms? How much value does it have?
He does no how to jump into my arms. I think that most of the time he enjoys it. I haven’t done much with this because I want him to feel like it’s not ending something without appropriate reinforcement and then him avoiding it because he doesn’t want to stop. Does that make sense?
Ok what are thee last distracting? This list is all really hard stuff, so what can be distracting – bag of cookies?
I’m hoping you mean least distracting. I’d say things on the ground. He’s not super distracted by a bag of cookies, if I saw that out on a good day, it wouldn’t worry me. The other stuff listed is stuff we really struggle with.
He likes to roll on carpet. That could be a low value distraction. I suspect soft turf would be appealing for scratching.<p>The shadow handling was a little less clear for him – he was moving with you, it was short and sweet but I think he didn’t know what he was supposed to do other than bop back and forth LOL</p>
I think I had him too close to the wings. He was a bit conflicted about needing to offer wing wraps. I will slightly increase the difficulty.
<p>I have some stuff coming next week that also involves the leash, so you can build in a bit of trial routine too!
In my mind, I would like the end of run routine to look like a catch into my arms, put on the leash, and leave to get his toy that is placed.
Distraction Hierarchies
this one is hard for me. I know the super high ones but I would say the least one that gets us in trouble is handler error, lack of understanding
Things on the ground (girl pee)
Scary noises (thunder, gunshots, fireworks, garbage can lids)
Moving/running animals (other dogs, wild life)
livestock (not that we see this often but sheep and ducks are LYFE)
Bodies of waterStill working remote reinforcers because I feel like we need to live here 🤣. I’m really surprised with how fast he’s picking it up. Actually he picks up most things quickly and I am just used to training both dogs on RDW which takes an eternity. Actually we are still training but have surfaced to do other things… I should probably be training my RDW…
So I have just been practicing small wraps and shadow handling. I probably could have been a bit smoother but mannn he’s happy here. Let me know what mechanics I need to improve because I still feel like word placement can be better.
I typed a nice post this morning and then my internet froze and it deleted. Now I am 1 1/4 cups of coffee in so it’s probably more coherent anyway
I keep looking at your building value for food lesson and feel stuck
He LOVES cheese. He LOVES his frisbee, he doesn’t necessarily love both paired together. If the value of the food is too high, he’d rather food. If the value is too low, he’d rather the frizz. I have not tried active food movement with it, so that may be a good place to start.
A lot of his not taking food comes with over arousal. I know I need to practice modulating but what’s the best way to do that. If he’s above threshold, he usually won’t tug and may or may not take food.
I still don’t have my quote button back. It never occurred to me to incorporate the leash in here until you mentioned it in the zoom call and here. It’s for sure a skill I need to work.
We just had a lovely remote reinforcer session. He is sprinting back to the chair when I say let’s go. A couple of questions on that.
I tend to use go go go on course to cue extension in a straight line. Should i change the remote reinforcer cue? I thought that initially but really couldn’t face thinking of another word 🤣 I have noticed you say “go” paired with an obstacle so I’m hoping it’s okay
Secondly, he’s sprinting back to the chair and wanting to grab his stuff. He’s showing self restraint. Since he’s already predicting, should I introduce varying what the toy is on or just keep building on the success we are having?
I put him on a station while I moved a jump and then whooshed him back for the frizz. He was a huge fan. I had done a good bit of station work initially but have put it on the shelf for some reason.
So here’s just an unedited 6 minute session with him. I wanted to work remote reinforcer as well as revisit the placed toy.
When rewarding focus for moving away from toy, I’m guessing I shouldn’t get too far away? There’s a moment where he’s investigating and I just start to drift off into space (that whole staying in one place is hard for me. My tiktok algorithm is telling me I have ADHD)
He runs off with the toy and is trying to kill it. Again I didn’t handle this well. I did try to cue a zoom but he mostly wants to kill it. He will trade me for food- which I did here.
There’s also a moment where he runs off, I call him back. This happens often in training and it really really drives me insane. I do a great job of not getting angry but inside I’m dying. My assumption is that he feels like my movement is towards the back door and he will either have to go inside or his sister will come out but I could be reading it incorrectly. This doesn’t happen in other locations-which reinforces my suspicion.
I am trying to figure out a better way to end the session. I tried to throw the frisbee but because I had been previously using food and a tug, he didn’t want to switch.
There’s just so many pieces to this puzzle with him and I don’t feel like 5 weeks is enough 🤯
I didn’t even notice I was stopping and restarting my movement. thank you! But still caffeinate if need be.
I’m happy to discuss NOLA anytime. I can give you my email, cell phone, or any other form of communication you need.
I’m happy to learn Morse code or train carrier pigeons if it gets you down here 🙂okay for some reason all of my post controls are gone
In the early part of this session, you can totally keep moving so you and the reinforcement are not near each other and also so there is not a sudden explosion of motion when you add motion (that was part of the reason he went through the wing)
I’m not sure I fully understand what you mean by this.
I hope you and your 2+fourlegged fam had a happy thanksgiving!
Remote reinforcement and placed reinforcement.
This is a great example of me having a plan but focusing on mechanics took a lot of mental energy for me. I’m sluggish and thinking too much. Flashbacks to your previous course where I should have rehearsed first.
For remote reinforcement- I think he’s trying to figure out what we were doing. There was a frisbee of frame that he thought about twice but the third time he was like I get this!
For the placed, oh he’s so cute going through that wing. I told him get it and he was like “right now”.
On the last rep, I felt like he wanted it thrown rather than tugging so I threw it. I then was a little sad because he didn’t bring the frizz right back but when rewatching it’s because he apparently had to 💩. Looking back at the video, he seemed happy tugging but I felt like him letting go was meaning he wanted a throw.I have complete faith that he will get it. In the lead up to the US Open, when I was getting CB ready for his runs (first competition runs, first outdoor trial, first all sorts of things) – I only worked on reinforcement procedures, not sport skills and not distractions
I’ll try to dial back my pity parting
Yes, let’s talk about it – I agree, he does not like the petting. That is not unusual for a lot of dogs who are working. So… don’t do it. Why would we add something that they don’t like to a scenario that we want them to love?
This one is hard because I’m just in general an affectionate person. I can clearly see it in the video how much he isn’t a fan, but in the moment I’m just like mama loves you so fucking much she wants to squeeze you. Callie loves thrashing in for pets. I will continue working on don’t touch him.
I know a lot of people out there do ‘all done’ marker stuff but I am not a fan – it disengages the dog, handler disconnects and can also be a marker for a negative punisher (removal of something the dog wants – toys, food, engagement, access to work, etc). Poopy! So…. we can end the session differently, as a team, with engagement and reinforcement to continue to build behavior I want.
this! I say all done at the end of a session and can see a definitive shift in engagement. He sometimes deflates and always immediately runs off. What would be a better way to terminate using the examples above? Do you use markers do you give alternative behavior?
I also feel like I need to put sniffing on a cue, any suggestions for starting this?It was better to put him up – I would want to first know if he could handle being around other dogs working before I added in a bitch in standing heat. Did you ask him to play frisbee with the other dogs moved further away
All dogs were up, just sharing the space from a kennel and or ex pen.
I’m really trying to add more distractions so hopefully we can trial someday but can’t quite get from sterile with no distractions to working past more than one dog there. It’s certainly not linear and some days are more discouraging than others.Week 2 catch work
I think he’s learning what this means because he’s bracing for it!
I did throw in a whoosh too for fun.
I do think I’m probably still moving too much before saying the word. I’m working it. I also kept waiting for him to offer a position instead of just telling him. I’m not sure why 🤦♀️At the end you can see me go to pet him and he’s clearly like “no touchy while working” but also can tell the session is over by my affection. Smart boy.
