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Hi Tracy,
I’ve been working the “first time” along with working through the exercises. We tried “first time jogging/wing” on the road. She was successful at a new location (just us) and a new location with a medium drive dog/person. It takes a lot of focus for her. She was 100% upon arrived, but struggled when we tried before we left.
Here’s where we are at with her left/right wraps and soft turns for a wing.
So it’s much harder when she’s running vs me moving. 🙂 At the end I included two typical failures so you can see those. So I tried sending her with me walking to bridge the gap? Looking for your input if that’s a good way to help her understand or maybe another approach?
Hi Tracy,
Thanks for the feedback. Your comments all make sense and I’ll continue working on this in parallel with the new week 2 stuff and let you know how it goes. 🙂 Adding in the other dogs will for sure ramp her up too. Thanks for your help with working through this with us.
One thing I did want to make sure I understand is if/when you add in correct handling cues back in for this exercise vs isolating the verbals. Looking forward to tomorrow’s live night. 🙂
Different environments make total sense. It depends a bit on weather. We’re suppose to go from 57 to snow. 🙁 I have more options if the weather holds.
We did only first tries today. I set different yard locations, ran each direction, did some chores for a break and tried again. I left tugging in there so you could see her arousal. I also tried to increase my motion a bit each time. Thanks!
Yes, she was able to get it right on the 1st time both inside and then outside. About 3 ft from the wing. Both left and right wraps.
Hi Tracy,
Quick update, 🙂 We did an indoor session this morning (as that’s a bit easier) and an outdoor this afternoon. I saw her starting to figure it out. I think this will help her! – Thanks!
Morning Tracy,
Thanks for the feedback and what changes to try. I’ll change it up and see what she tells us.
Yes this underlies what I’ve seen at trials and I was thinking the same thing. Make a break through here and help it carry over to trials. Thanks!
Hi Tracy,
We tried a left wrap session and I have more questions :).
She tends (saw it on a right wraps too) to get the first time wrong and then start wrapping. Is it okay to wait till the balance rounds to sort out or should I do something now? After the first try she knows we’re wrapping.
So I tried adding a slow jog. Since she goes on my first step, I set her up behind me so she can see some motion from me. Does that work or mess things up?
I wanted to send this in and get feedback since I noticed something. Maybe I progressed too quickly? As we do the reps (walking or slow jog) it seems like she pushes her line out laterally ahead and then V’s back to the wrap. So she’s on the other wing and slicing back to the jump if a bar was there. I wasn’t sure what that meant or if I should change anything or just continue?
Ahhh.. thanks Tracy. I knew something was up by her struggles so I’m glad I sent this in upfront. Thanks for clarifying where I went wrong. :).
I think getting a solid understand for her will be really good as I see where this is biting us on courses. She loves to run and those jumps are enticing. We’ll retry the session today so I can really see her understanding the decel and bend before the wing with the jump enticing her. Thanks for helping isolate this piece for us. It’s been missing. 🙂
Cool, I’m going to keep jump then. How you describe is really how I end up using it on course. When we get multi-jump lines I use a “Go Go Go” now. And I use jump as my default cue if it’s not a wrap, backside, left/right etc.
Thanks as always for the great feedback.
Thanks Tracy! Yes that all makes sense and is really helpful in clarifying in my mind what I should be looking for. 🙂
First Exercise
Here’s the video of our first two sessions.
https://youtu.be/a3Bn1kpuwskA verbal question: I use “jump” for jumping in extension over 1 jump, (it’s in the video). I added “Go” as we worked the line of jumps in extension in one of your other courses. Should I drop the “jump” verbal and just use “go” for all extension jumping?
This is a perfect exercise for us! It was pretty tough for her as just the jump adds a lot of excitement. I missed video for the 1st try in the 1st session, but she went straight to the jump. Yippee Yahoo!
Looking forward to your feedback.
Verbal Worksheet:
I haven’t gotten through every verbal yet, but I covered the ones for the first exercises and a few more. Writing it down really makes you realize what you aren’t sure about. 🙂 I had a couple of questions that came up on right/left. I realized I’m not quite sure how the dog should really look over the bar when jumping right/left. I guess what I’m unsure of is if their body should be more “turned” over the jump or if they actually end up kind of slicing it in the direction of the turn. So better understanding how they really setup for a right/left and where the bulk of the turning happens would help me get a better picture in my head. Hope my questions makes sense. My other question was in differentiating between a 90 degree left say for a 180 and the more gradual left for say a 45 degree pinwheel. Especially if a judge sets it up so both are options with say the pinwheel being the off-course. I know we’ve used the arm for right/left before, but I wasn’t sure on verbals vs handling cues.
Hi Tracy –
That makes sense to work through “reaching for the toy just before motion” as a trigger. It’s been the “oh crap I did it again” moment on a few training runs. 😉 LOL
I like the approach of working through another person as a remote reinforcement. I think that will help her make the transition. I know part of it is due to the fact that we train a lot more alone than with others, but I have opportunities with others to work through it. 🙂 Thanks!
On your last video you talk about going back from C to A. I totally agree that is the hardest part to plan. I really have to think through that ahead to get it right. It’s really tough for me to do that on the fly. When I try to do it more impromptu, I often fall into patterns or I get into my head thinking what’s next and by then I’ve miss the training moment.
Yep, she has her own rule book. LOL. Sometimes I’ve trained something without knowing it and she adds it to the rule book. Usually when I figure it out, I’m like ohh….. is that what you thought I meant. Whoops – my bad. LOL
Here is our proofing motion work. I haven’t really seen any issues with using counter motion on toys for things like tightening turns etc. Also she usually switches between toys/food really well and will stay on the reward that you have engaged with her.
The second part is where we are at with toy motion and being able to listen for commands. We started this when she was young for obedience, but I know there is a hole or a pattern I unintentionally trained:)
You may remember seeing it when you were here. When I’m actually running a course and reach for the toy if she’s not already committed it will pull her off. Ex. If’s she’s already in weaves, she’ll usually stay in, but if she’s just about to enter and I’m early, it’s 50/50. So I’m wondering good ways to transition from what we have to eliminate the distraction of my hand reaching for the toy while running. The other issue is someone else moving the toy. That part you’ll probably remember since you had to give it back to me. LOL Someone else moving her toy is the hardest for her. I don’t think she believes they have read the toy rulebook . 🙂
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!. This class has been a really fun break from the handling ones for something different for us. It was perfect as the weather was hit and miss. I’m looking forward to watching the rest of the puppy classes and have a wonderful Christmas!!!!!
Thanks Tracy. That all makes sense and I think she totally thinks of the leash as just another toy, so I will plan to use that at trials. Thanks!
Hi Tracy,
I totally agree NFC/FEO is the way I”m going to see the arousal state she ramps into. She totally knows when we are training versus fun match vs a trial whether it is obedience, nosework or agility. She’s too dang smart not too LOL. I was showing all FEO/UKI runs I could find in the fall and it was getting better! 🙂 It’s off season now (snow), but I plan to bring her back using them again until our runs match up more.
You’re right, I hadn’t looked at week 4’s leash work, but now we have :). Here is a session of our leash play/work. When I rewatched the video, I noticed she hit the station a bit. She doesn’t normally, but it could be she was a little cramped for space where it was.
