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Thanks Tracy! 🙂
I have a bizillion questions,>
You answered all of them in my feedback 😀
Bottom line, I rushed the process. I will take this in smaller increments going forward 🙂
Girls have chiro tonight, so instead of video I’m going to ask a couple questions instead lol!
When will the last game package roll out? Will the end of the course be the 2 weeks following that date? When will Max Pup 2 start? Thank you!! 🙂
Hello! Thank you Tracy! 🙂
The barrel is good for now until you can jog through it which will probably need to happen outdoors. When we add more handler speed, young dogs sometimes hit the barrel in their excitement – and we want her to sort that out (don’t hit the barrel) before we put it on a wing. The wing could actually hurt if she hits it. And the towel is a good jump bar for now – a bar on the ground will roll if she steps on it, which could twist her wrist. Ouch! Yes, I am neurotic hahaha. The towel provides the same visual as the bar but prevents any potential twists or rolls if she steps on it. Outside, you can use a jump bump or a pool noodle. The bar will be very easy to add.
THIS!! Thank you for all that 😀 I will stay with barrels with our games until you give the green light to proceed to a wing. I kept the towel too. If they hit the barrel, which she has inside & outside, how does she sort that out? Am I supposed to do something?
Tonight we tried both sides with more lateral distance & adjusted back when needed. Gosh this was really fun doing this outside!! Both sides had challenges- I think Sunnie was following my handling which was good of her, but I need to clean that up! 😀 She was hitting the barrel too. I have a bizillion questions, but I’m going to stop here & wait until you critique us! LOL!! Thank you 🙂
Good Morning! Thank you Tracy! 🙂
Yes, both of those would work. And because it is an obvious target, you don’t have to rush to get the cookies in them – she will wait patiently for a second or two
AH! Ok! good to know & reminder- for me- if I use a target how this works 😀
That way the wrap verbals have a very different meaning and visual than the backside slice verbal, based on where she sees the bar.You were tending to send more than do it with parallel line motion which might be why you were not feeling it was correct
Ok makes sense now & yes I wasn’t ‘feeling it” because of my position.
I’d like to try this outside where I have more room & I think I might be able to keep a better straight parallel line. Can I use a wing instead of a barrel & can I put a bar on the ground or towel is still fine for her to understand the “picture”?
Here is our try at the left turn. I was in conflict with myself LOL because I left her in a stay, but was saying Back right away as you suggested & she left – Ok, as I am typing this now I know why she moved, Back IS her release word!! LOL SMH! That’s why I was a little less confident in MY movements in this session, my mind was on the stay, let me get a little ahead & then release lol! Sunnie is brilliant, human needs to not think so much 😀
Thank you Tracy! 🙂
She was very aware of the reward on the ground – you can have ithe treat hugger empty then after she is successful on that rep, drop a treat into it. That way it is more of a target and should be easier to hold the stay and ignore it til cued 🙂 She had no trouble with the behavior you wanted (serp versus threadle), the challenges were mainly in the ‘stay til released’ and ‘don’t just run to the cookies’ department 🙂
Should I use a different reward placed there then? bowl or open lotus ball? Just thinking in my head the coordination of getting there on time to drop cookies LOL! I could try it & see how I do!
Yay for ignoring the birds!!! Pole barns and dirt are REALLY challenging! Do you have any video? We can look at it to plan for next time, to help her be even more successful.
Video of us? No 🙁 but I can show you what the place looks llke. It’s Diane Baumann’s old place in NJ if you have ever been there 😀
Here we go with BS slice right turn, all the positions! Soooooo looking back at my video I don’t think I did this correctly. I’ll show you anyway 😀 Now that Sunnie (mostly 98%! 😀 ) knows her verbals for right wrap & left wrap, if I start adding a BS verbal- doesn’t the picture look the same as a wrap on this barrel? I don’t want to confuse her, I guess I need to understand this picture too and how it’s suppose to look different to her. Thank you!!
Good Morning Tracy! adding in this session from this morning 🙂 I tried it with the senior first to get better mechanics, my first session with Sunnie was a shit show LOL!!
Getting the timing correct with the clicker was hard 😀 and turning to the right was hard too. Question- which arm am I supposed to be sending with? Does it matter if we are turning L vs R which arm I use or more so which side of me I am setting the dog up determines which arm I use? <I hope I am making sense!>
Hi Tracy! Thank you!! 🙂
The next step is to mix in some serp reps where you show her when you want her to go to the front side of the jump versus the cue to threadle.
We gave this a whirl tonight 🙂 I started with a toy, but Sunnie was looking for snacks LOL so I switched back to food and used a tree hugger 🙂
Be sure to start with some engagement like tricks and tugging, and pattern games as a mental warm up to be sure she can engage in the new & harder location.
Thank You for mentioning this, it was a great reminder & much needed! 🙂 I do have to try some higher value snacks tho! I had string cheese, chicken and St Roccos. Which she loved, but getting her back when she took off exploring was a little challenging! We were in a pole barn. I lost her to the environment mainly when were doing wraps around cones. On the flip side, there were a ton of birds in there, she wasn’t distracted by them at all- YAY! We’ll go back there next month & try again! 🙂
Good Morning Tracy! Thank you for your ideas on Recall!
When you do eventually go back into the house – more rewards! It can be her entire breakfast or dinner (if she likes meals, I am guessing she does) or a stuffed Toppl or something really fun.
I have to remember to do this!Follow thru all the way with cookies!
If you throw food to get her back then grab her and the game is over… she will stop coming back 🙂
Guilty!! It’s more like I throw food to get her close enough to me to put the long line back on to go back inside 🙂 I chnaged this last night to a chase game instead & didn’t go in right after the long line went back on.
You can also ask the other dogs to help! Each dog is given a toy and told they can go for a run. Call your older/reliable dogs back, give a HUGE reward, then give them the toy again. Don’t call Sunnie at first, she can watch or do whatever.
Sunnie will learn by social learning – then when she chooses to come back to you, big party! Then send her on her way again while you keep doing recalls with other dogs. Then you can add her to the game: call each dog, reward, call her – reward. Then back to freedom.We played around with this last night! Lexie, my 13 y/o will retrieve all day long, so she’s reliable to go get the thing & come back for more, Kelsie the 9 y/o will join in too! Everyone has a hollee roller, but Sunnie like the LArge one best so does Lexie so I have to get another one LOL
Would you consider the hollee roller to be one of her highest value toys? If so, you can have a 2nd holler roller or a higher value toy to throw the other direction. It is a back-and-forth game, where you can throw the 2nd reward when she looks at you or moves towards you. Do that a few times to get her moving instead of hanging out in the grass: call, start to move the other direction, then whip out the toy.
I experimented last night with this too -As much as SHE thinks the holle roller is a prize, when I tried to play with her with another one, not so exciting, but if I run around and drag the crazy tug toy (that has fuzzy & hollee roller on it), that got her going after me!
Lots of great ideas that I will play around with 🙂 Oh btw I called her off a flying bird last night!! 😀 I had no long line on, having a slight heart attack as she took off running. I gave her the Biggest jackpot ever when she came running to ME! 😀
We also played around with Strike A Pose Part 3: Concept Transfer For Threadles (Slices) right side only. We spent enough time on that side I didn’t want to keep going. The video is almost 3 min but I wanted to keep in the beginning when I was trouble shooting. Once she figure it out I was like holy sh#$% as she flew to the cookies! 😀 I forgot to bring a bowl down to the yard so I improvised and used the case for my lens that I put on my tablet to widen the view LOL! Sunnie did fine with it LOL It was windy so we had some moments of distraction, I was very impressed & proud how she held it together! 🙂
Tonight we are sharing a lesson with a friend, 1st time trying this. We will be in a dirt arena (new to Sunnie). I would like to try to piece 2 things together & see how she does & modify if we have to. Wing wrap> straight jump to bowl, straight jump to wing wrap, rocking horse game with 2 wings. Thoughts?
Good Monring! Thank you Tracy 🙂
We had a fun game of recall yesterday, however when she had the hollee roller in her mouth, no beuno 😀 layed in the grass like she didn’t know me. Any suggestions on how to train a recall wehen she’s got ‘the prize’? Do I need to carry a toy in my pocket too and entice her with that before I say Sunnie come? Or maybe get some raw as a reward too? 😀
Good Morning! Thank you Tracy 🙂
And if I always play when I get home, the arousal levels will get really high when I get home and maybe too high (and I don’t always want to play :)) Mixing things up is exciting in a good way and avoids the dogs expecting things to happen at certain times.
YES! trying hard to mix this up, now that we have longer daylight this helps because before it was hurry up and get the thing done before dark 😛 Some days (now) afterwork I don’t even train or the training comes a bit after we all go potty, I just delay it a bit. The big dogs do get amped up the longer I wait & especially if I am ‘preparing’ the bag the go outside to train- which doesn’t help Sunnie because she feeding off of them! But one thing I have done is that she has to wait at the gate on the deck before I release her to the yard. Kelsie goes flying off the deck (ya I know bad momma, but I didn’t know that she needed impulse control too even if she wasn’t as ‘excitable’ as my older dog, anyway that’s another story!) sooo Sunnie had to wait until Kelsie & Lexie (my 13 y/o who is the older version of Sunnie lol) are in the yard. I am impressed with this kid because this is hard for her, but she waits until I say Ok. I think all the IYC games have helped her in this situation too. Of course I have to remind her to wait, but that’s ok I can let go of her harness, have zero tension, for a few seconds before I let her run into the yard.
She seemed to really love that toy and was very into it at the beginning! She won the toy race but also turned to you to engage with the toy (and didn’t take it on a victory lap): that is awesome!
So yesterday after a little training session I got the crazy tug toy out & ran around with it, that got her juices going and she was nuts. Then I experimented (as you suggested up there days ago :D) to try throwing too- let’s see what she likes better – throw or chase! I lost her to party of one when I threw the crazy tug toy! She took it and ran away, circling me – probably how she plays keep away with Kelsie! wants to play with us but also wants the prize! She is like this too if she gets a ball or a hollee roller, runs like she has a prize! This makes me nervous because I don’t trust her recall & sometimes I don’t have a long line on her, especially after training. The only way I have a chance of getting her back is if I get close enough to her to do a scatter. She will drop the toy and I can get a long line back on her. The life skills dept is lacking, I blame it on winter, not thinking I had the space to do it 🙁 I know I need to work on this ASAP but have to find the resources to help me. So long winded comment about if she likes chase or throw for toy toy! She likes both, but chase keeps me engagaed with her 🙂
Totally agree! One thing my young dogs have taught me is that heat is a pretty big distraction! Their brains are like WHAT IS THIS so they have to devote a lot of brain energy to regulate body systems that they don’t ordinarily have to regulate when they are in our lovely climate controlled homes LOL! So you might see certain struggles outside in the heat because her brain is dealing with a whole new set of things to process. But it won’t take her long to adjust, especially because her breed & lines are bred to handle different climates and work hard outdoors.
Interesting!! Thank you for that tid bit!! 🙂
This morning we played around with Beginning Remote Reinforcement! This was fun and we both had our wheels turning LOL! I had to adjust here and there to make sure she was successful 😀 Middle came back in the picture accidentally lol! Good Girl Sunnie – you’ll see what she did! I hope this transfers over to a wonderful start line stay LOL!!! Should we try this again, at what level? I don’t want to rush it, I’m not sure what increment we should add 😀 Thanks!!
Good Morning! Thank you Tracy for the Play suggestions 🙂 I want to keep working on that along with our exercises 🙂 When I first get home, everyone is “excited” so maybe that’s the time to start a training session with play (no food on me)? Or should I mix it up start with exercise & then try toy play with no food on me?
We tried them last night. We have been getting unseasonable weather – high 80’s – that’s summer temps not April temps! All the dogs asre feeling it and human too 😀
No food in my pocket > toy races to start, then I grabbed some string cheese and did a few reps at the barrels. Something easy, she can run & she knows it. In my head I was going to try to go back to toy play, but forgot & did a few reps of threadle wrap with movement. She was hot so we stopped after that & ran up to the house for a drink!
I think Sunnie did great despite the weather, we had no wind so no flying leaves to contend with! 😀
Good Morning! Thank you Tracy! 🙂
She did great at the beginning of the 2nd video then didn’t have a lot of impulse control left at about :40 – she could no longer ignore the cookie in the bowl on the ground LOL! That was probably just a bit of ‘brain tired’ depletion. Self-control can be like a bank account in young dogs: it gets overdrawn pretty quickly. But she ended strong!
Got it! I’ll try to pay more attention to ” brain tired” Yes, you’re right, outside does take alot of concentration! 🙂
Here is our Go at the resilience game in her VERY (lol) familiar space 😀 Not fazed at all, lol! I walked to the other side of the room because that’s the ‘fun’ area where the toys are. Once she realized I wasn’t doing anything fun she tapped out, hopped on the couch & left the area LOL!
Pay session suggestions above- YES!! Sounds like a plan for the great outdoors 🙂 Impromptu wild play session happened this morning after we were done doing some fitness 😀 My plan was to have a little play session, but I think I jacked her up (in a good way) because she executed something amazing we’ve been working on. She turend on the after burners when I brought out the toy toy! Did a little chase, toy races & practiced our Strike (grab the toy) since she was going after my face 😀 It’s a bit long, maybe I should have stopped @ 2 min?? But we were having fun & I got wrapped up in the Game LOL! I did feel her energy/interest change a bit toward the end of my video so I stopped before she completely tapped out. Sunnie is 5.5 months old now, just a point of reference. 🙂
Good Morning! Thank you Tracy! 🙂
Yes, cookies in the bowl would be a good next step – it works best when you put the cookies in the bowl before you set her up in the stay, so her attention is more on you and less on the bowlLast night we tried strike a pose with wings. I left the bowl in place all the time and put cookies in it before I set her up as you suggested, much better! It was a bit windy so we had flying leaves to contend with but she did ok 😀
I edited out the transport back, it just added too much time to the video, beleive it or not! I did leave in where we had an oops when she was coming in to my right hand. I gave her 2 tries and then picked up the bowl. This was FUN, I don’t think adding the wings changed the picture too much for her 🙂
Did you throw it or run around dragging it? We can keep track of what gets her excited for the toy after all the cookies 🙂
I would love to work on this with you! 🙂 Here is last night after the training session. What I would like to do is play in between reps (in between left & right side for example) & get the toy in the actual training session too! I think I can, just have to be strategic about it switching from food & toy – outdoors! I’m going to try another chase/tug toy that she really likes that we’ve been using indoor in the basement 🙂 Maybe I should just load up the bag with the toy toys & try different ones and see which ones spark her at that moment! 😀
Thank you Tracy 🙂
No wind tonight so I set up my tablet. I wanted to try the threadle wrap with room to walk away so I set the tablet a bit too far away – sorry about that! I used string cheese which Sunnie found pretty quick so I didn’t get to walk away as far as I anticipated 😀 I walked away after I tossed the cheese & stopped when she turned & headed toward me. Mechanics were wonky again lol! I did break off (not on the video) between switching sides, however Sunnie wasn’t feeling the love for chasing her toy toy.
Then we went back to strike a pose with your suggestions – I used a bowl & left it on the ground. I primed the bowl before we started 🙂 We work on IYC with the “DISH” in different scenarios so… 😀 I am super proud of this kid, so many little pieces that we’ve training all along are put together in this exercise! stay, impulse control, hand touch that morphed into a cue! Should I try this with cookies in the bowl now? Or just let it be for now?
We did get a good game of chase with the toy toy after strike a pose!! 🙂
