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Ok! We’re gonna go with Flip when I remember to say it, LOL!
Well we had fun playing, but I think I went to the other extreme of not using my outside are too much and I tried real hard not to move my feet. Not sure if this is how it’s supposed to look, I’m thinking no LOL! You get to see Sunnie’s brain firing in all directions between trying to work & bird distractions! 😀 I think she did pretty well considering 🙂
Oh I forgot to add – I don’t have a threadle wrap cue- yet! I use IN IN for threadle slice 🙂 Do you have an ideas I could throw around? 😀 One friend uses Swing lol! Thank you!!
Soooo we took this games outside, but I didn’t want to carry the suitcase outside LOL! I don’t have a tall cone – gotta get one! So I thought what’s heavy that she won’t knock over that is already outside?!
Hmmmm XPEN! 😀 It’s shaped like a triangle. After watching the video I don’t think I executed the exercise properly 🙁 My feet felt straight for one, but my arms – yikes! I did give Sunnie ample room to navigate around, better than I did with the suitcase tho’ lol!Thank you Tracy!!
Since you offered, I am going to start a new thread! This one is reeeeeeally loooong! LOL!
Good Morning!
I watch the adolescent webinar over the weekend- great insight on what to expect and jam packed with lots of brain stuff info too- Loved it!!
Was the forward focus at the lesson to the front side
It was just the start with a bowl. I’ll wait until I see it here with the games 🙂
So to help her NOT do that, I think we should switch what she is wrapping: Do you have a big cone or an upright suitcase/roller bag or anything that is very stable and won’t move if she pushes it? Those will provide the same visual, but pushing them actually will delay her from getting back to you, so I bet she chooses the more efficient path of going around them without touching them.
Tried the suitcase first then put a heavy detergent bottle in the suitcase 😀 When she hit I did reward her for effort -only 1 kibble and when she got it she got a handful. Is this the right approach, if she hits, still reward or withhold reward?
Good Morning!
Thank you Tracy especially for the whole ‘chapter’ on adolescence! No one has ever told me that and I think this is VALUABLE information for this loco coco 🙂 The timing of your inforamtion could not have been more perfect. Sunnie & I shared a private lesson Fri morning at an agility arena with turf. Not the dirt one we were at a few weeks back. While we took turns appropriately, I also had to remind myself to give her ‘breaks’ while training too. Talk about multitasking- listening to the instructor, playing food games with Sunnie (sometimes we did middle after she did some run abouts checking out the environment) and remembering what the next “sequence” was LOL! The Kid gave it her ALL every round. Her tongue was hanging out after each round 😀
This morning we tried BS slice indoor. I wanted to practice indoor so I was closer to her and could concentrate on my mechanics better walking a straight line lol! I also wanted to try to remain silent as she rounded the barrel since that caused crashing outdoors ( Hitting the barrel happened when you gave the ‘yes’ marker and presented the treat – she drove to it and hit the barrel. The other reps had similar timing and she was much better about not hitting the barrel.
My mechanics went out the window after the 1st crash, I was processing- “what the heck happened, how do I fix this, we don’t want ‘bad’ moves” While I was doing that- I got consummed with it- I wasn’t present for anything else 🙁 I forgot about the dance moves after a couple reps, her first break was after a couple reps of being on the other side <sigh> and it was a scatter…. ( my go to either end a session or a break) How should I handle the crashing going forward? Don’t worry about it, show you my video and we go from there OR something else??? I also got wrapped up in Sunnie looking at me, is that ok or should she be looking forward? (this got stuck in my head too because it was a discussion at our lesson,teaching it, labeling it, I know we did alot of this way back when she was itty bitty!) Meanwhile at the lesson she was focused forward every.single.time. LOL! 😀
Good Morning Tracy! Thank you! 🙂
If you take big leaps in the process and it works, we call it fast tracking not rushing 😂🤣 So it was worth it to try and overall it went really well!
LOVE this!!
Last night we took a whirl at it again focusing on staying closer until she shows me further is ‘ok’. I don’t know what happened, she was a little cray cray, a little unfocused, not sure if she was tired (ha) adolescent (6 mo old today) or what! 😀 I purposely didn’t go out and train right after I got hoem from work, trying to mix it up a bit. So Sunnie first had some shenanigans going on with Kelsie, exploring in the yard. Near the end of the session I thought maybe she had to pee, so we took care of that but when we resumed she was still a bit all over so I ended the session. The barrel crash at the very beginning threw me for a loop, more like Yikes & wanted to process but I couldn’t that quick lol! I kept most of the times she left in the video, edited out the longer ones, but you can see when she left.
Thanks Tracy! 🙂
I have a bizillion questions,>
You answered all of them in my feedback 😀
Bottom line, I rushed the process. I will take this in smaller increments going forward 🙂
Girls have chiro tonight, so instead of video I’m going to ask a couple questions instead lol!
When will the last game package roll out? Will the end of the course be the 2 weeks following that date? When will Max Pup 2 start? Thank you!! 🙂
Hello! Thank you Tracy! 🙂
The barrel is good for now until you can jog through it which will probably need to happen outdoors. When we add more handler speed, young dogs sometimes hit the barrel in their excitement – and we want her to sort that out (don’t hit the barrel) before we put it on a wing. The wing could actually hurt if she hits it. And the towel is a good jump bar for now – a bar on the ground will roll if she steps on it, which could twist her wrist. Ouch! Yes, I am neurotic hahaha. The towel provides the same visual as the bar but prevents any potential twists or rolls if she steps on it. Outside, you can use a jump bump or a pool noodle. The bar will be very easy to add.
THIS!! Thank you for all that 😀 I will stay with barrels with our games until you give the green light to proceed to a wing. I kept the towel too. If they hit the barrel, which she has inside & outside, how does she sort that out? Am I supposed to do something?
Tonight we tried both sides with more lateral distance & adjusted back when needed. Gosh this was really fun doing this outside!! Both sides had challenges- I think Sunnie was following my handling which was good of her, but I need to clean that up! 😀 She was hitting the barrel too. I have a bizillion questions, but I’m going to stop here & wait until you critique us! LOL!! Thank you 🙂
Good Morning! Thank you Tracy! 🙂
Yes, both of those would work. And because it is an obvious target, you don’t have to rush to get the cookies in them – she will wait patiently for a second or two
AH! Ok! good to know & reminder- for me- if I use a target how this works 😀
That way the wrap verbals have a very different meaning and visual than the backside slice verbal, based on where she sees the bar.You were tending to send more than do it with parallel line motion which might be why you were not feeling it was correct
Ok makes sense now & yes I wasn’t ‘feeling it” because of my position.
I’d like to try this outside where I have more room & I think I might be able to keep a better straight parallel line. Can I use a wing instead of a barrel & can I put a bar on the ground or towel is still fine for her to understand the “picture”?
Here is our try at the left turn. I was in conflict with myself LOL because I left her in a stay, but was saying Back right away as you suggested & she left – Ok, as I am typing this now I know why she moved, Back IS her release word!! LOL SMH! That’s why I was a little less confident in MY movements in this session, my mind was on the stay, let me get a little ahead & then release lol! Sunnie is brilliant, human needs to not think so much 😀
Thank you Tracy! 🙂
She was very aware of the reward on the ground – you can have ithe treat hugger empty then after she is successful on that rep, drop a treat into it. That way it is more of a target and should be easier to hold the stay and ignore it til cued 🙂 She had no trouble with the behavior you wanted (serp versus threadle), the challenges were mainly in the ‘stay til released’ and ‘don’t just run to the cookies’ department 🙂
Should I use a different reward placed there then? bowl or open lotus ball? Just thinking in my head the coordination of getting there on time to drop cookies LOL! I could try it & see how I do!
Yay for ignoring the birds!!! Pole barns and dirt are REALLY challenging! Do you have any video? We can look at it to plan for next time, to help her be even more successful.
Video of us? No 🙁 but I can show you what the place looks llke. It’s Diane Baumann’s old place in NJ if you have ever been there 😀
Here we go with BS slice right turn, all the positions! Soooooo looking back at my video I don’t think I did this correctly. I’ll show you anyway 😀 Now that Sunnie (mostly 98%! 😀 ) knows her verbals for right wrap & left wrap, if I start adding a BS verbal- doesn’t the picture look the same as a wrap on this barrel? I don’t want to confuse her, I guess I need to understand this picture too and how it’s suppose to look different to her. Thank you!!
Good Morning Tracy! adding in this session from this morning 🙂 I tried it with the senior first to get better mechanics, my first session with Sunnie was a shit show LOL!!
Getting the timing correct with the clicker was hard 😀 and turning to the right was hard too. Question- which arm am I supposed to be sending with? Does it matter if we are turning L vs R which arm I use or more so which side of me I am setting the dog up determines which arm I use? <I hope I am making sense!>
Hi Tracy! Thank you!! 🙂
The next step is to mix in some serp reps where you show her when you want her to go to the front side of the jump versus the cue to threadle.
We gave this a whirl tonight 🙂 I started with a toy, but Sunnie was looking for snacks LOL so I switched back to food and used a tree hugger 🙂
Be sure to start with some engagement like tricks and tugging, and pattern games as a mental warm up to be sure she can engage in the new & harder location.
Thank You for mentioning this, it was a great reminder & much needed! 🙂 I do have to try some higher value snacks tho! I had string cheese, chicken and St Roccos. Which she loved, but getting her back when she took off exploring was a little challenging! We were in a pole barn. I lost her to the environment mainly when were doing wraps around cones. On the flip side, there were a ton of birds in there, she wasn’t distracted by them at all- YAY! We’ll go back there next month & try again! 🙂
Good Morning Tracy! Thank you for your ideas on Recall!
When you do eventually go back into the house – more rewards! It can be her entire breakfast or dinner (if she likes meals, I am guessing she does) or a stuffed Toppl or something really fun.
I have to remember to do this!Follow thru all the way with cookies!
If you throw food to get her back then grab her and the game is over… she will stop coming back 🙂
Guilty!! It’s more like I throw food to get her close enough to me to put the long line back on to go back inside 🙂 I chnaged this last night to a chase game instead & didn’t go in right after the long line went back on.
You can also ask the other dogs to help! Each dog is given a toy and told they can go for a run. Call your older/reliable dogs back, give a HUGE reward, then give them the toy again. Don’t call Sunnie at first, she can watch or do whatever.
Sunnie will learn by social learning – then when she chooses to come back to you, big party! Then send her on her way again while you keep doing recalls with other dogs. Then you can add her to the game: call each dog, reward, call her – reward. Then back to freedom.We played around with this last night! Lexie, my 13 y/o will retrieve all day long, so she’s reliable to go get the thing & come back for more, Kelsie the 9 y/o will join in too! Everyone has a hollee roller, but Sunnie like the LArge one best so does Lexie so I have to get another one LOL
Would you consider the hollee roller to be one of her highest value toys? If so, you can have a 2nd holler roller or a higher value toy to throw the other direction. It is a back-and-forth game, where you can throw the 2nd reward when she looks at you or moves towards you. Do that a few times to get her moving instead of hanging out in the grass: call, start to move the other direction, then whip out the toy.
I experimented last night with this too -As much as SHE thinks the holle roller is a prize, when I tried to play with her with another one, not so exciting, but if I run around and drag the crazy tug toy (that has fuzzy & hollee roller on it), that got her going after me!
Lots of great ideas that I will play around with 🙂 Oh btw I called her off a flying bird last night!! 😀 I had no long line on, having a slight heart attack as she took off running. I gave her the Biggest jackpot ever when she came running to ME! 😀
We also played around with Strike A Pose Part 3: Concept Transfer For Threadles (Slices) right side only. We spent enough time on that side I didn’t want to keep going. The video is almost 3 min but I wanted to keep in the beginning when I was trouble shooting. Once she figure it out I was like holy sh#$% as she flew to the cookies! 😀 I forgot to bring a bowl down to the yard so I improvised and used the case for my lens that I put on my tablet to widen the view LOL! Sunnie did fine with it LOL It was windy so we had some moments of distraction, I was very impressed & proud how she held it together! 🙂
Tonight we are sharing a lesson with a friend, 1st time trying this. We will be in a dirt arena (new to Sunnie). I would like to try to piece 2 things together & see how she does & modify if we have to. Wing wrap> straight jump to bowl, straight jump to wing wrap, rocking horse game with 2 wings. Thoughts?
