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Good morning! Wow! I see grass and not snow!!!!!
Ruby was VERY happy to be outside doing this LOL!
And as you mentioned: she caught on really fast and was perfect. Nice bending turns to both sides! And even though she was very excited and tugging like a crazy girl, she didn’t lose her head and she maintained good balance and bend. Excellent! My only suggestion is to start her more in the center (where all the wings meet) so that she can bend even more into the first turn. In order to do that, you’ll probably need to get her to settle next to you – she was very pumped up so you can try getting the toy back then giving her a cookie so she takes a breath and gives you a moment to line up… then send her.Great job! I see you added the next level below. Yay!
Tracy
Good morning!!!
He is looking terrific! Interesting that you noticed him having questions on the opposite side of the send side. His first rep (starting on your left, turning to his right) was spot on! yay! The other reps were from your right, turning to his left – he definitely had questions 🙂 It was hard to tell if he was seeing your slightly-different movement on that side (on those reps you stepped back with your send leg rather than moving away like you did in the first rep) and that definitely caught his attention. Or, after the first rep, he might have realized that it was a chase game so he was all about the chase da momma rather than commit to the wings.
And it is also possible that he is a righty not a lefty 🙂
So a couple of ideas because I think it will cover all the bases:
For now, because he was wanting to come to you rather than around the wings (for whatever reason) – shift the reinforcement so that as you do that front cross and leave, your toy lands on the other side of the wings. So as you are leaving, he is seeing his toy there to grab. Start it kind of in the middle of his loop around the wings, then when he gets it – you can gradually change the position of it so that he sees it just before he exits, and then after he finishes the wrap. So basically you are tossing the reward back to him as you leave, so it becomes more about ‘go around the wings’ and less ‘follow da momma’ 🙂
Let me know if that makes sense! I think I do that in some of the demos, I can find the moments if you like. I have done it with all of my dogs at some point because, like Disco, there is a day when they would rather chase me and the toy then go do the wrap LOL!
And, on those left turns: move more slowly for a bit so he can think about how to get himself to turn left 🙂 But if you were seeing this question on both sides, start both sides a bit more slowly so he can figure out where the reward will be, then go back up to your full speed here 🙂Great job! Let me know what you think and keep me posted!
TracyHi! This went really well too!
She found the backside tunnels really well! And paid perfect attention to the differences in your connections for when you wanted the tunnel and didn’t want the tunnel. Each rep looked great! The only tweak would be to add in a little name call on the tunnel entry before she gets in, so she turns a little tighter in the exits on the first couple of reps – she came charging out and didn’t know you wanted her to turn on the exit to face the wing.
>> I’m wondering if I should be putting the obstacles a bit farther apart and running more? This amount of motion does save my knees, but I’m wondering if she needs more space to open up?>>
I think this tight spacing was perfect for starting: she is a little slower which leads to being able to pay attention more, and it saves your knees especially with the ground being iffy.
She did well, so as soon as the ground is safe: yes, open it up so she can run run run! But no need to do that til it is save to run and not muddy/icy/rutty.Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
She is doing well here! There are a couple of things that we can clarify for her that will make it even smoother.
On your 1st run – add in the wrap cues. The wraps out of the tunnel with just physical cues were really good here (and also at the end of the video on the last rep) so you can totally use your wrap cues on those.
Your cue to the send to the far jump was also strong at :12 and :25 but you said “go on” really strongly… so she went on and jumped big 🙂 Then she was surprised that it was a tight turn. Notice how much tighter it was at :41 without the Go On verbal. So, the good news is that Go On has meaning! For the sends to the wraps, swap it out for the wrap verbal and I think it will be great.At :50, I think 2 things happened to have her curl in towards you and not take the far jump –
on the previous reps, the go on cue verbal was paired with coming right back, so she might have been offering coming right back.
and, I think the timing/location of the cue at :49 was too early for her to think you wanted the red jump (at this early stage of her career :)) – it was happening before takeoff for the jump after tunnel, so she likely assumed it was for that jump.
You did repeat the cue after she landed but the connection was forward to the far jump, so she was unsure and curled in. As strange as it sounds, connection to her and leaning forward into it (less arm send and looking ahead) will help with the bigger sends.Part of it is also her youthful inexperience: you needed to be at or one step past the jump after the tunnel to help her realize you wanted the red jump. You can see at 1:01 you got to that spot and did a really nice transition: she both committed to the red jump AND turned really well!
When you added the transitions and the physical cues – she looked fabulous on the tight turns, even with all of the speed & extension coming in before it. Yay!
Great job here!
Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! He is looking really good – powering the lines AND very responsive to turns. Was the 2nd rep the faster one? I timed the, both but couldn’t see where the full second difference was? I think the ending line as about equal FC and BC (and he had the same striding) but the turn 2-3 and 4-5 were a little wider on the first rep, so the 2nd rep was faster because of that? But those are tiny details, he is looking GREAT!!!
T
Hi again!
Backing up: Good session! He didn’t really want to tug here – and that is fine for now, it is an indicator of his comfort level. I appreciate it when a dog clearly tells me these things without leaving me or biting me. Ha! So, stick with super high value food, or use a frisbess or ball if he really likes those – see below for why/how.
I think the backing up was not the buzzkill, he is doing fine with that and also fine on the inflatables… it was the reset noise/movement of the board behind him after the release that was making him question things. So, rather than reward in position on the board for backing up onto it then releasing him to do another rep, let’s change the placement of reward:
reward the backing up by releasing **forward off the board** so two things will happen:– he can get the heck off the board because he is not totally comfortable with it, anway (negative reinforcement – we build the behavior we wnt by taking away something unwanted :))
– the rewards for the backing up will be arriving just as he hears the reset noise… so the backing up cookies will get paired into the reset noise, desensitizing him to the reset noise so it is less worrisome (and he will be further from it, which is also easier for training purposes).
OK, a 3rd thing will happen: he will be running and moving and chasing the reward, which makes him more aroused and we already know that he thinks less about the movement/noise when he is more aroused.
You can use cookies for this, but I prefer something more stimulating when rewarding off the board. 3 of my dogs over the years have struggled with the noise/movement so I released them forward off the board during this game and it made all the difference: With Export, his reward was a Jolly Ball and a Cuz ball. With Hot Sauce, I used the Manners Minder and a tennis ball and a frisbee. With Contraband: frisbee, frisbee, frisbeeeeeeeee (frizzer = LIFE).
I also did the forward releases on the bang game, which also helped.>>I tried tugging when he was on the board but he was only interested in the food.>>
You can skip that for now on the end games in favor of getting him off the board, When he is a deranged lunatic for it like he is becoming on the mountain climbers, we can add the tugging back in (also we have other games to hlp that too).
Great job, especially getting out early for training! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!!
He did an awesome job this morning, it is really giving us the picture of what his finished teeter will be – nice and fast, driving to the end!
He was a wild man because of the running before it – and I am happy with that. LOL! Wild man is a good thing for this game!>> I am still meeting him at the end b/c I don’t have anything there to put on the end of the teeter for cookies. I will start bringing the assist with me to LU from here on out.>>
You can meet him at the end, but you can also squish something onto the end of the board – a little spray cheese right at the end will be compelling haha! And bringing the teach it will help too because it is pretty portable!
That will allow you to add in a bit of moving past – but add that in very incrementally. I recommend doing it very carefully not because I think he will be worried, but because he is SO EXCITED that we don’t want him leaping off – he will need to wait til you get back there (reward again when you do) and that will actually be helpful for teaching him to wait for the release as the board is dropping.
Great job!
TracyGood morning! You are off to a great start here!!! Good boy, Krome! And this was a really good session overall: short, fast, fun, highly reinforcing but also added some challenges. Super!
>> This was best he’s ever done.
That is great! He was a little uncomfortable to begin with but he totally rocked this session!! Look at him drive up the board at :35, then he kept getting faster and faster. He even rocked the RC (only gave you a little side eye there haha). Whoa, so much speed at 1:27!!! Really good session to build confidence. He is still building that confidence, so more sessions like this will totally help!
>>I know I’m suppose to celebrate all the interaction with board but you can tell I’m hesitant since he’s played before.>>
Totally understandable! But, I want you to pretend that he is a one-year-old pup who is learning this for the very first time (although he will move through it faster than a one year old dog would). Celebrate every single thing like you would for a dog brand new to the game. Fake it if you have to hahahahaha 🙂 Reward all the things – when he is a little slower, it is still worth a cookie because that cookie will build speed and confidence. Withholding the reward can dilute the speed and confidence.
This will become especially true as you start to add tip. You can add some in the next session, just a little, to see how he does – his response will guide us as to how quickly we can add more (or not).
He likes toys, right? You can also tug between reps, if he will go back and forth between food and toys.
>> His biggest struggle is how to get off. I don’t like him jumping off like you can see in video and he’s done just that at shows. Hes ok with me picking up only if I have good grip…>>
Totally agree, I don’t want him jumping off either – dock diving off the teeter is not an option. So you can develop a rhythm of coming right back to him – reward again for waiting for you, you can praise while you are on the way back. Then you can gently take his collar (reward) gently help him turn around at the top of the board (reward lol – this will help him also have great body awareness on the plank) then have him walk down and cue him to jump off the side. It will not have any negative impact on the finished product to do this.
The other option is to move a tall table next to the board and have him step/hop down onto it.
Great job here! I am looking forward to more sessions!!
Tracy
Hi!
Yes, time to get him on the seesaw LOL!! The RDW work has really helped build his love for planks and targeting! He is doing really well with all of the games so far – and I am looking forward to your kiwi number 8 wire device hahahahaha! I have a game to add that uses a wobble board in the next set of games 🙂We have a weave class starting on Monday – my 2 youngsters are learning the weaves and my slightly older youngster is re-starting the progression after a year off to resolve a patella issue. I’ve taken a far more incremental approach to the weaves too… they are soaking it up like sponges!
Have fun and keep me posted!
TracyGood morning!
>>I did read your admonition to avoid that, but at the moment teeter access is still limited. So, I did two exercises I felt were very different at least – mountain climbers and backing up.>>
Totally understandable 🙂 My finger-shaking was so that folks wouldn’t over-train their youngsters 🙂 If the 2 sessions were separate, as in: do one and then take a break and then come back later for the other one – should be perfectly fine 🙂
On the Mountain Climber video: you’re going to laugh, but don’t praise him on the way up til he gets to the top. He was driving up on that first rep, you praised, he went “huh?” and looked at you LOL! The rewarding in the middle and going with him is a step you can fade now, becaise he is so on task for getting to the end 🙂
I love that you used this teeter – it is really different than the clip and go teeter and it had some good clanging and bounce on the board (the clip and go does not have that). He nailed ALL of the challenges and also offered the down on the way past. TThe additional speed fro the wing was exciting – look at how fast his teeter is going to be, holy COW!!!!
Yes, he thought the rear crosses were bizarro 🙂 but that is why we install them so early – he did better on the last several reps. When you added the wing – did you do any where you wrapped the wing and sent him with you standing way back by the wing? I think that will help him drive ahead so you can do the RC more easily.>>So, I think I’d do a little more work on that before adding a little tip and going through the series again?>>
You can start with the wing to sending him ahead without you, and then trying the rear cross – but you can progress to adding tip for the other challenges before the RC is perfect. He is not lacking in confidence, he is just asking “what the??” on a handling move haha!!! So you can do the RC without tip and add tip for all the others.
The backing up looks really good! You were totally low enough. At :16, the teeter clanged behind him and it distracted him, so he didn’t back up as well… but clearly he sorted it out and filed it into the “no big deal” category because the rest of the backing up was lovely!
He did get mad when you moved away, so yo ucan release him to you for a hand touch (and reward as a helpful anger management tool haha) then cue the backing up. I think some of his verbal feedback was just “this is hard, you crazy human, whose ideas was THIS!” LOL!!! But it is a good training game to get him to offer that hind end use, even when he is stimulated (and maybe a little frustrated by the difficulty?). Nice sessions! You can add a tiny bit more tip!>>Quick question about weave class…I have my lovely set up 12 2×2 channel weaves, but I was thinking of taking half of them to my friend’s place (the one featured in these videos) for at least the early part of the course to give me a second place to practice. Is six poles sufficient for the first few weeks?>>
Yes – you won’t need more than 6 poles until after March 22nd – and even if you can’t get all 12 for after the 22nd, you will be plenty busy with the 6 poles and you won’t be missing out if it takes longer to get the full set. The plan is to have a 2×2 track AND a channels track going concurrently, so that no one gets held back by space or weather limitations.
>>We’re also having fun in the RDW class. Although I’m so naughty with my movement that Katarina is making me send from sitting in a chair>>
Awesome!!! I also “got in trouble” for helping with too much motion on my sends, in BOTH my RDW class and with my flyball instructor. Oopsie hahahaha!!!
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning again!
>> He is enjoying this training, big time! Henow follows me around rather than chasing birds in the agameticua trees in hopes of more treats!>>
That is really terrific to hear – it is so great that the value of the teeter sessions is overriding the value of BIRDS! I mean, he is a bird dog by instinct, yes? So the teeter must be feeling REALLY good to him now 🙂 Yay!!!
On the backing up session – he is catching onto this really quickly (behold the power of the Manners Minder!) And the MM keeps his head pretty low without you needing to sit on the ground. Remind me – is he a 4 on dog, or a 2 on, 2 off dog? I can’t remember, need more coffee haha! But – with whichever end position you want, you can move the MM just far enough away that he can easily back up into the position. And then, add a tiny bit more tip to the board 🙂 maybe another half inch?
These games are looking great! I am excited for the good weather to come along so you can do more and also get to other places!
Tracy
Good morning Helen and Nuptse!!
The back and forth is looking good without the tip! And he was happy to jump on the in the middle in the second session to get the game started. There was some good rattle and noise when you added the tip.
He ran to the end nicely on the rep where he then left to bark at the fence, so it is possible that you running fast and far past it was too hard of a challenge – he was lovely after that. I think when you ran really far past, there was enough of a time lapse where he found himself at the end of the board, without you, without cookies… so he took off to bark. That’s good info! So, for now, come back to him immediately and don’t go tooooo far past while you introduce the challenges. And, if you think he likes praise, you can talk to him and praise him up and down while you are on your way back (some dogs REALLY like that, some don’t care LOL!)
But – the tip and rattle and noise elements all looked GREAT, he was driving to the end beautifully. Go with another session exactly the same as this one… if that goes well, you can add a little more tip on the session after that 🙂
Great job!
TracyHi! It depends on the situation, but in general I would say – both! Meaning: nice try, let’s play (cookie or toy) then try again (for more reward). This is especially true if there has been any concern or worry or fear. If the dog was just being wild and going too fast and lost his balance – I would give a small cookie for the good decision to NOT hurt himself LOL!
And if it happens more than once, I would make the next rep easier so he could be successful.
Let me know if that makes sense.
TracyHi!
Hooray for birthday presents! But now I feel the pressure to buy a birthday present hah!
He seemed happy on this back and forth game – there was some whip and rattle on the board but I think he was fine with it! Yay!
For the next session – put the agility table (which is next to the teach it in this video) where the lawn chair is, so he is going from the teach it to the table – and adjust the teach it so the high end is a little higher – then he can go downhill from the teach it to the table. (The stable end should be on the teach it, so you can adjust that and get tip onto the table). If he is happy going from the teach it to the table, you can adjust the teach it downwards to add maybe half inch of tip nd see what he does. We will let his response guide us as to how quickly to add tip.Great job!
TracyHowdy! All of these are looking good!!
Mountain climbers at home – he wants to weight shift at the beginning of the yellow rather than right at the end of the board, but he got better on each rep here! He wasn’t as excited as he would be at LU, but he did really well. He was weight shifting earlier than we want for the moment, but he is not looking for the tip in the middle 🙂 Yay! So we will just keep brain washing him that the treats are all the way at the end, yum yum!!!!
At LU: He was wilder here which is helpful! Different teeter, in a different location on the floor- but he was really good!! He thought about it on the first rep and then got more confident on each one. Each time you play this, he is driving more and more to the end of the board – this is very cool to see! And putting it into a sequence was great… it gets to him get wild and run to the end a lot more. Yay!!! If you can grab a moment to do a mountain climber in a sequence throughout your time at LU – do it! He seems to really love it.
As far as tip – I would leave this game where it is for now – adding the challenges to the end of moving past for sure, crosses, etc, but not adding tip yet. Tip will be added in the other games first for him, because I think the other games are easier for controlling the tip.
Backing up onto the teeter – nice! You can also play with releasing him forward to the toy rather than cookies in position – I mention that option because I think you can add a little bit of tip on the teeter here! So that way when it moves, you can get him right off of it for a tug toy – getting him off the board and tugging will prevent him from thinking too much about the tip 🙂 Dogs that might be concerned about movement do really well when we reward off the board.
Backing up to the disc- looks great! Definitely try for the tugging on it – do you have 2 discs or a bigger disc to give him a wider base to weight shift while tugging?
The 2nd backing up video (to the disc) looks good too! He was ‘looking’ for the disc with his back feet and being methodical about it (not flinging himself). The disc is pretty inflated, so when you add tugging, deflate it a little so he can control the balance more easily.
Great job here!!! Let me know what you think.
Tracy
