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This is a great list!!!The food list is impressive, I am filling out an application to be your dog haha! Yummy yummy!!!! And all of it is relatively high value.
The toy stuff is interesting!
Have you every tried attaching a frisbee to a tug toy? I do this for my 3 year old – I will get a picture. It has almost the same value as the frizz, but it is attached to a long toy so she can’t break herself chasing it too much.
>>super value in training, very low value in a trial environment outside the ring. High value though in the ring when I run FEO. Have not figured this out yet.
That is really interesting! And a good view f how the environment changes things. When you are FEO, are you able to move the toy more? Maybe there is more room so he is more comfy playing?
>> Also need to work on improving the out
We have some of that started this week! You’ll see it in the toy procedures and comob procedures – I know that technically the out is a cue, not a procedure, but toy play procedures are MUCH easier if we have a good out.
>>4 – bath mat – it’s his go relax and observe spot when waiting to run and then turns into a tug toy when I release him to get up -one of the things he will consistently tug with outside the ring>>
That is awesome! Reinforcement is in the eye of the reinforcee… and I like how the bath mat is both a relax spot and a toy LOL! Brilliant!
For the activities… I see a trend: Chase! That is good to know and we can play around with incorporating it.
>> been playing this a lot lately in training after a mistake I am also working on loosing my use of NRM’s. Cody hates making mistakes and I think the NRM’s have become a trigger to oh crap I screwed up and I’m out of here>>
Yes, I like that you are getting rid of NRMs. There is a lot of controversy about those – in general, I think the dogs perceive them as punishment markers (negative punishment, as in we are stopping and you are getting nothing LOL!). and so I can see why he doesn’t like them!
Nice start here with the lists! Onwards to the first set of games 🙂
TracyHi!
“Regardless of environment” is amazing!!! Environment is so powerful and having the hierarchy be stable is amazing!!
Safe drive to Jax! See you soon!
TracyHello and welcome! All 3 of your Eskies sound so fun!!!!
It sounds like we can totally help shift the value to driving ahead of you and also get Laci really confident. We can jump right in with the Hierarchies: they are all foodies, which is great! Also, check out the activity hierarchy. And one more question: do they like remote feeders like a Manners Minder or Pet Tutor? Lots of fun stuff ahead!
TracyGood morning!
It makes total sense! He is a wee puppy, still. My guess is that we don’t have a full picture of WM yet either, still a teenager. And due to the pandemic, you probably don’t have a full picture of Phyzz in new places. Hot Sauce is 3 and there was a shift in her hierarchy last weekend. So, it is ever-shifting and we just keep track of it 🙂
I do love that you’ve established a Chill The F Out routine and in doing so, raised the are ofow value reinforcement. Pairing, for the win! Brilliant!!! When do you leave for Florida?
TracyGood morning and great question!
I think we need to condition the silence (and facial expression that goes with it – set of mouth, where you are looking, etc). So for example: start the lure with permission to follow (shhhhhhh) then when he starts following it, you go to your silence then after a short silence – “get it!” or something that says now is the time for the cookie. So the shhhhh is more of a cue and not a mark for reinforcement, if that makes sense? Easy enough to fade and replace with the cue for the behavior when you want it.
Then, the silence gets built in as a keep going, all good, because it predicts reinforcement. But then there would need to be something else that breaks it off so he also doesn’t get silence when he is not correct or you don’t want him to keep going.Let me know if that makes sense or if I need more coffee lol!
Tracy
Good morning!
Great lists here – you’ve clearly been making positive reinforcement a focal point in life and training, as well as the underlying emotional state of the dogs. Perfect!!! It look all works together, as you know.A baby BC that likes food…. fabulous!!! We will protect that like gold 🙂 I suggest we insert food into the procedures sometimes just to maintain that – the didn’t-quite-swallow thing is normal with young BCs so I play a little game with treats and a toy: swallow the treat, get the toy (I make sure I see them swallow it 😄) Do it with the smaller treats in a setting where you aren’t training anything else, it is just a goofy living room game for now.
Toy play sounds good, and expectations in different settings getting adjusted also sound good (he is still a puppy so it is important we don’t pressure him). Some of these procedures can also be used for acclimation games in new environments.
And I agree that there are some activities we use for training and some we don’t want to use. Years back, I think it was Jean Donaldson from the SFSPCA who used leg-humping as a reward activity LOL! No thanks. Ha! But some games can be used if needed – if he loves loves loves playing with other dogs or greeting people, keep it in your back pocket in case we ever need it (Also teaches the dogs when to ignore other dogs, a lovely by-product!)The camel training sounds so fun! If you plan on filming any if his work, please feel free to open up a thread for him. Let’s gift him a free working spot 🙂 I’d love to see more, what a great opportunity!!!
Have fun!
TracyGood morning! This is a really good list.
The food and toys will be easy enough to incorporate, but I think we can also incorporate his love of people and dogs! And that reinforcement procedure (the when/where/how of greeting and playing) can also help him ignore the people and dogs, like the judge in the ring! We’ll get the food and toys established this week then work on inserting the people and dogs. Does he play with your other dogs?
TracyHi and welcome!!! I am excited to see you here!
About engaging with toys… what stuff does he like to put in his mouth and play with? Or chase? Other than food LOL! Sticks? Hoses? Paper towel roll? Let’s start with figuring out what he enjoys playing with already and then we can go from there. It will be fun!
Tracy
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>>for when you get back, not for while you are on vacation
I wish it was a vacation LOL! I am basically in charge of getting the course builds done on an 8 ring national event. What was I thinking LOL?!?!?!! And running 3 dogs, but I didn’t enter that much this year 🙂
Thanks for posting this! All of the balance reps looked good, so I watched it a few times to figure out why she threadled when she did, and why she didn’t when she didn’t 🙂 I think it has to do with you moving back away from the threadles for a step or two. When you pulled back with a little bit of motion, just 2 steps – she got it nicely at :08, :13, :51, :58.
When you used a parallel line of motion or only one little step – she did not threadle. Aha! We are on to something. And she came into the gap every time you decelerated or stood still. So I think she is relying on the moving back to threadle into the gap and reading all other motion as stay on the line.No problem, though! Since she did really well with the angles, you can go back to the angles and open them up a little so you can fade out the need to move back – just move on the parallel path slowly. Then we slowly close up the threadles to be ‘flat’ like they were here – it might take several sessions or longer, but that is fine! I suggest getting her happy with you moving at a jog or run on the angled threadles, then inch by inch closing them flat over several sessions.
>>By the way, I’m hoping to be able to get Annie through the gap without having to use 2 hands because the 2-hand cue is working amazingly well for the threadle wrap and I want to save that as a dedicated wrap cue. I’ll see if I can get a couple of those on video while you are away.
Yo ucan use a one-hand threadle! Or you can have different positions – where are your hands in the threadle wrap?
Nice work here!
TracyHi! Glad you had fun at the trial!
>> I could his slowing down a bit on some of the other runs.
Yes, the dogs get physically and mentally tired. It is hard to quantify it in agility, but in flyball we see each dog’s time instantly… and the first runs of the day, and the first run of each heat, are almost always the fastest. It is fascinating to see the times decrease! For example, I run 2nd in the pack: I have to time my release based on the speed of the dog running 1st in the pack, so I wait longer as the day goes on, so I don’t end up being early because the dog running 1st might slow down.
I make sure my dogs get sleep time during trial days, and I also feed them meals during the day – small meals, but meals 🙂 There is a study somewhere that found that there was a link between glucose depletion and self-control depletion!>>On the first Pairs run, the 2nd obs was the WPs. He had enuf of that set up! So he did a 18 sec wscape, then returned to run with a vengeance, (for clean!!!)>>
Weaves as #2 are a bummer! I love that he came back with a vengeance though!
>>The first run of the weekend was jumpers. It was N’s best and not good on my timing and not enuf verbal cues. At the first backside, I slowed down, because N was not ahead and I was going to have to go to the BS too! What should I have done differently?>>
I thought it was a good run and I LOVED your blinds! I also loved the crowd cheering 🙂
I don’t think you were too far ahead on that first blind… it was more that you pointed ahead of him while he was still behind you, so it turned your shoulders to the front side of the jump and that is where he went. In that situation, keep your arm back until he is passing you and use connection. Compare it to the next backside, where you were ahead but you kept your arm back and he got it really nicely 🙂Tracy
Hi! The foundations for the “don’t obsess on the food in my hands” are posted already in Reward. It is a matter of establishing what each procedure is. The next step comes in the next set of games, which is Nov 22 (break week is week 2 because of the US Open).
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Helloooooo! I feel like I was just chatting with you on Messenger lol!!!!
Welcome back! This will be a fun adventure!!! I have found that clean reinforcement procedures create a cool cycle of high rate of reinforcement as an umbrella, which leads to high rate of reinforcement in the skills-specific stuff, which leads to a more relaxed dog in the ideal state of arousal… which brings up right back to the high rate/umbrella, high rate/skills, and on and on. A happy cycle!!
Your reinforcement list looks great! It might change a bit here and there but overall, it is really solid and we will refer to it often.
As an aside, several items on his list are also on my personal list. I, too, would work hard for steak (cooked, though), cheese and parm crisps 🙂See ya soon!
TracyHi! Welcome to class, it is great to ‘see’ you here!! I totally remember you and Hemi – it has been way too long 🙂 And congrats on your new puppy!!!!!!
Customer support is up to their eyeballs sending seminar confirmations, sorry for the delay. You can upgrade to a working spot if you like – 9 weeks is great for the very basic foundation stuff, but the class will quickly go past the puppy stuff (I recommend MaxPup for that!). You can do some of it with your new baby and then switch to Seeley 🙂
Let me know what you think!
Tracy
