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Hi! Thanks for the T2B link!
I think he broke his stay so you were behind a little at the start and not quite connected over the double at the beginning – that is why he was curling into you. If he didn’t break his stay – give yourself a longer lead out, it will be easier 🙂
He was a good boy with the weave entry!!! The middle section looked lovely 🙂 At :34, you slowed down to handle it from behind but I think you can drive in to handle from ahead – either with a “german” turn which is staying on the landing side of the jump and then doing a wrap/blind exit, or driving into the gap to do a FC to a throw back on the takeoff side of the jump. You were on landing side and turning him away on the flat, so he was confused then you lost connection trying to get back ahead of him. In that spot, and at the very last jump – keep connected to his eyes even when you are behind. When you pointed forward in those 2 spots, it blocked connection and changed the line of your shoulders – so he questioned whether or not to take the jump or to pass it based on the shoulder info. You don’t need an arm to support at all on that last jump when you are behind – just run or leave the arm back, and lock onto his eyes (ok. when you are behind, you will be locking onto the back of his head LOL but he can see it and it lines your shoulders up really nicely too :))Nice work! Let me know what you think!!
TracyHi!
>>Will the live seminars be an extended version of the games offered online? Or will they be separate things that aren’t also covered online for the working online spots?
A little of both! And then it will all be posted, so all working spots can participate (both the live ones and the online ones).
T
Good morning!
>>Point the outside shoulder to the outer wing which moves the shoulder forward, but don’t confuse him with the inside hand coming back like it’s a serp.
Yes, you did a nice job with the outside shoulder here! The only thing I would add is to look at him as you do it, not ahead of him. It is that fine line between connection plus outside shoulder, and too much upper body rotation towards him LOL!
For example at :11 and :19, your shoulders were good but you were looking a tiny bit ahead, so he looked at you. (Disclaimer: this is a hard skill so sometimes they do need to look at us to figure out what the heck we want LOL!! We might see him looking up sometimes because he is only a year old :))
He was totally figuring it out as the session went along (:35 and :46 and after that) so the connection won’t be as needed in the long run, just for now.Nice variety in the exits of the backsides! The cross to get to the other end of the tunnel was easy peasy for him, and fun (wheee! Tunnel!).
On the slice exits with the countermotion, you were getting some impressive distance across the bar (after those UKI courses this past weekend, I am more committed than ever to making sure the dogs know how to do this LOL!). My only suggestion there is to drop the reward in sooner: he wants to follow your motion, so try to drop the ball in as soon as he gets to the backside entry wing and before he can make a jumping decision. That can help get him looking at the bar immediately and not at the motion -do that for a couple of sessions until he immediately wraps the wing to look at the bar, then you can delay the reward more and more to reward the exit line. The other think you can do tuck the beloved Pet Tutor in near the exit wing on the landing side of the backside jump, and click it when he gets to the entry wing 🙂 It will be a combo distraction/lure/reward 🙂
On the circle wrap at 1:27, you were a shade too soon pushing into his line – for now, let him get more turned to look at the bar and take a stride towards the bar before you cut in behind him to complete the wrap. That is a youthful inexperience thing, you won’t need to wait that extra step for much longer 🙂Great job!
Tracy
Hi! This is going well! The regular wraps and drive to the tunnel all look fabulous on both sides 🙂
L turns:
Oh wow, these look good! On the first turn away, it looked very smooth (:14)! On the second one, it was harder to see (tunnel blocking the view a little) he looked a little wider at :21 but still got it, yay!
He had a little question at :23 going to the wrap – I think your arm might have been pointing forward a little, so he checked in a little. Keeping your arm back and making a little more connection will help him drive away to the wing when you are behind a little.The Right turns are also looking good, on the turn aways try to slow down the arm cues: see if you can get him to lock onto your hands and then turn him away after a step or two of being locked on – you were doing the lock-on and turn-away in one motion so he was wider there. I think this is the side you are less comfy on, so slowing it down will help it feel smoother.
Great job on these!!!! He is driving his lines so nicely – and also great job with your verbals!
TracyHi! Sorry I missed this!!!!!
>> Unfortunately I didn’t turn the phone on so had to do another rep for video….and as you said this really is physically demanding training so he’s a touch slower on this rep than the one I wish I had captured for you.
He did well with staying on the line and driving ahead!! I think part of him slowing down was the distance driving ahead – the change in striding was more of a question than fatigue, I think. So you can work this a couple of ways to continue the big extension in the gaps between jumps:
do a shorter line so the reward comes sooner, and then gradually add/extend it.
Or, you can use the long line and an early reward indicator: for example when he lands form the 2nd jump, you can throw a ball out past the last jump (if he likes that, even if your aim is bad haha) or you can trigger a MM with the beep (he is likely to keep driving to that if he hears it, I think). Then you can mix up the timing of the reward so sometimes it is early, sometimes later, gradually building to reward at the end of the line.>> This a training concept that I’ve never had explained in quite this way before I really do want to say thanks.
Yer welcome! It is helping us get to better spots on lines and solidifying verbals too 🙂
T
Hi!
>>CONGRATS on your UKI Open results!! You and Jen Pinder both did really well. I get a warm fuzzy feeling when my instructors are successful. [Even though I know that isn’t the “measure” of an instructor, it is still fun!]>>
Thanks!!! It was a combination of fun and brutal – lots of running. I only ran the Speedstakes classes with 2 dogs because I simply did not have the energy to build all of the courses with contacts by myself LOL!!! Jen did a GREAT job on all the courses and I think she and Wicca just got the Top Dog Award (results over all classes) as well. She had help with course building plus she is in better shape than me for all that running LOL!
>>The crossed arms are the Judge’s signal to the scribe that a “do over” is in progress. As a handler, I can use it to signal to the Judge that I know I’m going into “do over mode”. On the start line, there could be a question (if the dog doesn’t cross the line but the handler is not going to accept the dog’s behavior).>>
Good to know! In Europe, the judges used it to signal an “E” on course, also a very clear marker haha
>>Excited about Proofing 101. That is to integral to obedience and yet isn’t stressed much at all in agility.>>
Yes! I have been working on it (plus the independent backsides) and that plus emphasizes verbal-only tunnel exit turns – and that is why my Voodoo was able to do those big Speedstakes courses with no off courses tunnels and all good backside (and no bars, which might be the most exciting part with him!!)
T
OMG did she bite your NOSE??? She officially is a raptor.
That was a great run! And that last line was REALLY hard for any dog: different distances to read AND different types of jumps (single, panel, triple). She did a great job on the whole course and that last line in particular looked great. Your connection looked fabulous throughout which really helped support her!!!
T
Hi!
>> I was thinking that if I would have gotten more lateral on the poles, I would have been further ahead to make the blind or a front cross after jump 3..but I didn’t want to pull him out of the poles since he is 100% proofed yet.>>Ah yes, definitely would have gotten it laterally. I thought you meant in the run when you didn’t leave him – the RC was the best choice in the moment there.
>Here is the Time 2 Beat run
https://youtu.be/i39tlMnoAns>>It is marked private, can you make it unlisted?
>>Do we have a little time left? I want to work the stuff you mentioned last week and we wont be having any rain this week.>>
Yes! Last day for videos is November 22. I think the weather will hold this week!
T
Hi!
>>The crossed arm cue is the AKC “do over”/”training in the ring” cue. I thought he should get used to seeing it. I don’t intend to use it for anything except bad start lines, at least in the beginning. (If we ever get a beginning…)
Is that what the handler is supposed to do to indicate training in the ring? I had no idea 🙂 It was very precise and marks the moment better than what most folks do with broken stays.
>>A lot of times when you want to me leave sooner, I’m having trouble because the “course” is so small and tight: there is no where to go! Will be interesting to see if I can remember to leave when I finally get to see big courses again.>>
Yes, a lot of my ‘leave sooner’ comments are thinking about when you are outdoors running, or in the big rings at trials. In your barn, there is no place to have to get to urgently but it is a good habit to develop. You can start it by turning your head away sooner rather than watching him take off or land.
>>Delighted to hear you will run the discriminations class. I think it will be a fun winter
project.It should be posted in the next day or two, called “Proofing 101” and will be fun!!!
Tracy
Hi!
When considering the live seminar(s) – the Live seminars are basically handling seminars, so you would need a pretty decent sized space – 30×30 or 40×40, approx. Double check access to a fairly big location (because there is running involved in the live seminars :)) and in that spot, double check that you have good cell service or internet access to stream your work back to us 🙂 And if you find you are good-to-go in both of those areas, then yes – the lives are super fun!!
TracyHi!
>> The reward was on the ground several feet away a high value tug. The black furry thing.So he probably just needed to sort out the distance on that first rep, he did really well on the rest 🙂
Tracy
Hi!
Nice work here!!
I am a big fan of latent learning LOL!!! I admit to not being able to tell exactly where he was looking on all of these reps… black head was hard to see! I *think* he was looking towards you over jump in particular on reps 1 and 5, and maybe on the other reps- but less so when you led out more and didn’t move as much. It might have been because your hand was in your pocket…. because cookies or toys might be in there LOL!I think his 8 foot bounce was good! I think he was better on rep 2 – on rep 4 he was a little surprised and more ass-over-teakettle which is the scientific term notation for a little too forward on his front haha But he made really good adjustments and that is the goal.
To help him look forward, you can go out to the Pet Tutor and then release, to let him think about mechanics and not look up at you at all.
>>I’m familiar with Susan’s progressive grid so I’ll work that one in for the future. So Susan often has 5 jumps in her grids necessitating 4 bounces. Are we working with 3 jumps mainly because these are younger dogs or because the 5 is just plain excessive?>>
I think that starting with 5 jumps is a bit of lumping 🙂 especially with younger dogs. We can get better behavior and also do fewer jumps with the shorter grids – and then when the concepts are solid, we can add a jump and get better success. What I found was that with 5 jumps, we wouldn’t get great behavior so then we would end up doing *more* jumps – which also didn’t lead to great behavior LOL! I actually now do most of my jump work without ever going near a jump or jump grid, to try to save the dog’s body 🙂
Tracy
Ah, I see what you are asking 🙂
>>I’m most interested in the teeter concepts and the contact work. Do those concepts correspond to a specific seminar or ?
The contacts & teeter games will be in the online classroom only, kind of like the tunnel/wing handling games here like the Starfish. They will be posted and you can work on them, but the live seminars won’t address them. I thought it might be too hard for folks to have access to the contact stuff for the live seminars, so I have them planned as classroom only. Let mw know if that makes sense 🙂
Tracy
Hi!
>>He’s about 16” tall I’ve been jumping 12” preferred so do I need to increase the distance or ?>>
For a 16″ tall dog like him, I would suggest a 4 foot distance between jumps 1 and 2 but also lower bars for this grid – this first interval is to challenge balance and not height, so 4 inches is the highest I would go for him on this grid for jumps 1-2 (think they were 8″ here?”) We add more height on the second jump of the set point and the last jump of this accordion grid when it gets out to 12 feet or so away from jump 2.
Good session here – on reps 1 and rep 2, the stay position was not as precise and that affected the jumping: on rep 1, he was rolled on a hip, so be sure you get him into a tight upright sit like you did at :50 and the reps after that – that really helped his jumping because he could immediately power in with his hind end. On rep 2, he had a nice down but it was a little too close to jump 1 so couldn’t quite get organized and dropped the first bar. So if you use a down, start him on step further back.
On rep 1, he was a little inverted, meaning his head was up – it might have been that he was figuring out the grid, or that the reinforcement was too high (I couldn’t see where you had it) so remember to have the reward on the ground if you didn’t have it there. I think lower bars will help there to.
Rep 2 – he dropped the first bar but then did well with his striding between 2 and 3!!!
rep 3 – I liked it all – good sit, better striding and lower head!
rep 4 – good rep here too – it was even more balanced than rep 2 (which was the same distances)
rep 5 – he is definitely sorting this out! Yay!! Good boy – this was much more balanced than rep 1.
Great job on these! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
