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Hi! I just started a separate thread about verbals so we can exchange ideas. I chose my verbals currently because some of them force the tone/volume – for example, I cannot yell my wrap verbals LOL! Wrap verbals should not be shouted (too much energy for my dogs, who all end up having a lot of energy) so I use noises that can only be done quietly.
I used to struggle with left and right, but then Voodoo got really mad at me so I improved my skills there and now it is pretty easy 🙂
The sequences begin to use the verbals on a slightly curved tunnel, and then in coming weeks we will curve the tunnels more. I am glad she loves her tunnels, we do want her to have some fun 🙂 Ha! And we can do some proofing games for when to take the tunnel and when to not take the tunnel LOL!! I have done a decent amount of those in a couple of other classes and it has been fun and educational 🙂
Tracy
Good morning! Sorry I didn’t get the post about ‘will he do it’ til after he did it LOL! Yay!
1st run – I really loved what he did over 4 and the line to 5!!! It did set up a RC on 5 to the teeter, but you can chill and decel to tighten that (chill is the technical term). You powered up the line with a bit too much acceleration. And decel for the turn then massive acceleration for the teeter seemed to help drive him across the board more.
This is one of those spots where handling with a spin to the RC is valid because you won’t get behind with the teeter and weaves. If it was a straight tunnel or two, I’d be less inclined to like the spin to the RC.
You can try the FC there too to see if you can get the same line.Your position 8-9 did set a tighter line. I am going to set up skills sets for tighter FCs like this so we can convince the dogs to collect more and and turn better while you accelerate. It was a good turn but I think we can get it better – stay tuned, I will start filming them today and tomorrow. I think it will help your FC at 4 – 5 as well.
And being more lateral on the big line did get you up the line sooner and you were able to start the wrap cues sooner – much improved! And you ended up in a good spot to cue the ending jumps too!
Good job experimenting with the big layer line:
2nd rep – not a complete disconnect at 8, only a partial 🙂 He thought it was a spin for a moment. But then you got quiet, pulled away (maybe that is what you meant by complete disconnect), and then when he looked at you – you yelled tunnel at :32.
Next rep had the verbals and he read it! Yay! You were not really hustling so didn’t quite get there, mainly testing the waters to see if he would get on the line.But last rep… YAY!!!! High energy verbals and more running from you and you got there in plenty of time to get a really nice turn!
>>The coolest part is watching him add a stride on the last rep.
YES!!! The turn info was so clear that he set up a beautiful collection even after an 80 foot sprint!
Now you are going to laugh: try it with *less* connection 🙂 So after the weaves, get the FC at 8, connect and send to 9, connect and cue the GO to 10 as you begin to leave for 13… when you see him getting 10 – keep yelling the GO TUNNEL cues but also completely disconnect and run like mad to 13, reconnecting to the exit of the 12 tunnel so you can time the turn. (OK, maybe don’t completely disconnect, maybe “mostly” disconnect so you can still see a glimpse of him if he comes off the line towards you). The verbal and motion should override the disconnection: and the disconnection allows you to get to where you need to be faster 🙂 There is a time and a place for NOT connecting (more about that this summer) and this is one of those opportunities!
Thank you for trying the crazy thing!!!! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
Hi there! I think she is a good age to start tight turns but we don’t need to do much of them at all (i really don’t love to do a ton of tight turns anyway, I have definitely moved over into the neurotic end of things where I count how many jumps and tight turns the dogs are doing, thank you to Ken Bain for that LOL!!!) You can also work the skill on a very short tunnel – less speed so there is less impact.
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The Go cues at the beginning look great! Really strong physical and verbal. She appeared to be enjoying herself immensely LOL!!!!Question about your soft turn versus wrap verbals: does 1 “right” or “left” mean soft turn and several “right right right” “left left left” mean wrap? It might be causing processing delays (which translate to wider turns) to have the cues start with the same word – before she responds, she has to wait for the additional words (or silence) as well as see the full physical cue. If you are going to use the same word, you can change how it is delivered: leeeehft (really extended on the vowel) for the soft turn versus lftlftlft (really clipped and quick, emphasis on the consonant) for the wrap. But wait, at :50 and :55, you did one left and rewarded a wrap. She did have a little trouble with the wraps there but it was probably just a combination of lack of experience with that type of exit and the words sounding very similar. With my almost 2-year-old, I have gone to 4 distinct directionals that cue left, right, wrap to the left, wrap to the right. Both puppies are learning them and for sanity’s sake, I have slapped them on for Voodoo who appears to appreciate any attempt I make towards increasing clarity and earlier info. So I think with Zing now is a good time to begin full-on obsessing on the verbals (although I am sure “begin” is not the right word, perhaps “continue” is a better word)
Full disclosure: I do run around my field without the dog to test drive how the verbals sound while I am choosing them and deciding how to deliver them in conjunction with motion. And somehow I feel you do similar things LOL!!!
Physical cues were strong and I think they were early enough! On the soft turns, you don’t need to push in towards the tunnel then leave: as she is coming round the wing, cue the tunnel then just leave and give the verbal while you leave. The pushing in is what pushed her around at :22 (and some dogs pick it up as a rear cross cue, and sometimes it shows a bit too much last minute acceleration towards the tunnel, delaying the turn cue like at :28) Plus that moment of pushing-in before leaving will delay you from wherever you need to be next, and she will catch up LOL!
The RC at :55 looked great! The right RC at 1:02 was a little late because you were a little too far ahead – but she was able to see you stepping in behind her and read the turn. good girl! You can also practice starting with her right at the wing, so you can set the RCs from a diagonal line as you both move forward (these were more of the RC-on-the-flat style with you ahead).
Great job here! Let me know what you think about the verbals…
Tracy
Hi there!
Glad you are back playing! And it looks like you were being careful that we won’t break you again!!!
>> He went out there and started offering a tunnel a few times before I could get him to aim at the wing which was pointed toward the fence instead – I didn’t include that on the video. It made me think, I’ve not asked him to do any funny starts much so far. You know – aiming away from a course, etc.
Good point, it is something we do need to start showing the youngsters – I have added it to my skills set list. Even my 7 year old dog wanted to skip the wing and just go to the tunnel haha!!
>>Anyway, at first I had bars on the ground at the 90 degree turns, but decided I really shouldn’t ask him to do more than a soft turn vs wrap and adding some place specific to go on to (a jump on the ground) is a little above our pay grade. We’ll continue to work on these.>>
Perfect! A destination focal point is fine and you can toss the reward that general direction to get started. Since you are not running at the moment, you can shorten the tunnel way up (6 feet?) and then add in the wings or jumps after it – that way you can cue them without having to run.
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The Go cues – looked great! Even without running, you had the verbal turned on and showed acceleration/forward motion long before he entered. Great toy throws!Right & Left turns – your verbals are very timely. You can move away sooner by stepping away laterally or turning your shoulder like a post turn – it looks like you were moving forward here rather than letting him see you leaving (but do not break yourself, move away early but not explosively pretty please :)) The other thing I notice is that he is reading deceleration (like in your left rep) really nicely! Such a strong skill to have him be able to read decel – it allows you to not have to slam on the brakes as much and also you won’t have to be as perfect in timing as you would if he didn’t read deceleration. Yay Spot!
Wraps – once again, great verbals. You are nailing the verbals!! I think because you aren’t sprinting at the moment, you don’t always know what to say as you are moving forward so you sometimes revert to ‘ready ready’ LOL!! Don’t say ready on these 🙂 You can start closer to the wing so you move forward longer – then turn on the wrap verbal like you did and just decelerate (facing forward as needed). Wraps usually have a ton of rotation but I think having you rotate is a really bad idea right now… so it is a great opportunity to really work the decel! On wraps – lots of decel. On softer left & right turns: a little decel. On Go – no decel. That is going to make your life SO much easier when you are back to full running!
Lovely work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi Jill, this was so fun to watch!
I think the first rep was all about you thinking “OMG I HAVE TO RUN SO FAST” hahahahaha Correct – you have to hustle with that little speedster!!!! Try to call him right before he enters the tunnel, so he exits and finds jump 3 – and a bit more connection will help, but I think a name call is all he needs.2nd rep – you had more hustle 🙂 You also called him and started the blind bright and early – NICE! After the blind, you can call the left as soon as you see him land from 3 and you can turn a bit sooner too. It looked like you ran a perfect line from 3-4 for the blind, he was perfect on that line!
2nd sequence – holy cow, baby dog is growing up! He is finding his lines AND keeps getting faster. I am so excited for you!!!!! Your connection was great.
Right at the beginning of this, it sounds like you cued the jump (#1) and then said “go tunnel Watson” – perfect! Basically you said to him: “get in the tunnel then turn.” That allowed you to get way up the line and you got your wraps verbals in too!
Your wrap cues (physical and verbal) were maybe one step later than what he needs right now – he was moving so fast and with so much “wheeeeeee!!!!” that he wasn’t expecting the wrap cues and didn’t collect, even though you turned on the verbal and physical cues as he landed. It was really a baby dog moment of “wheeeeee!!!!! oh wait we are turning, be right there!” LOL! So for now, start those cues even earlier, start to decel as he is jumping #3 so when he landshe is already seeing and hearing it. Now, if he pulls off of 4 because you are too early… fine! Reward! When he starts to pay close attention like that, we can moe back to the original timing you had here. So in a nutshell – you had good timing but we have to tweak it for a young sportscar LOL!Great job on your running line and connection back 5 and 6: you were able to get him back on the line. If you had a bad line or bad connection, he would not have found it.
Well done!!!!!
TracyHi! These were generally fine to see, I could see/hear all of your cues perfectly! And you can edit the videos a little less… the cuts between reps showed the tunnel entry cues but not always the exits – cliffhanger! LOL!
On the video:
All the Go reps looked great – high energy and a physical cue to match.Left & right – I couldn’t see what she was doing on the exit but it certainly looked like she was turning left! And same on the right. You are using the same word (kimya but I am sure that is not how it is spelled LOL!!) so does that word mean turn-towards-me for a soft turn?
Rear crosses – you did the RC miles early and she read them perfectly 🙂 Yay! Another approach to the RC is to move the wing further back so you can start with her at the wing and then run forward into it, so you are moving through the RC closer to her and not coming in from as lateral of a position – both are useful RCs.
The verbal here – does that mean turn away? You have all sorts of great verbals going so I am just making sure I keep up 🙂Wrap exits – I am assuming by your reaction that they were good LOL! I think some of the verbals were backwards (left=right one of the reps) but also, yu can change the energy and quiet them – which will get a little more decel from you which will tighten the turn. The other thing to add is turning and running the other way so she chases back to you for the reward: this will tighten the turns even more because the wrap cue will also mean: chase da momma!
When you added the RC, though – she was a little wider – I think partially because your were saying left when it was a right? Not sure if I was hearing it right? But also the RC had a lot of acceleration – so on a RC to a wrap, decelerate and then run the other way like on a regular wrap so she can chase you for the reward.
Great job here!!! Her commitment looked perfect and the exits look great – the independence will be so useful!
Tracy
Good morning!
This was really fun to watch and also gives us good reminders – she is big enough that she has to duck to get into the tunnel so we actually have to show her the info early enough that she sees it before she has to duck! Good to remember that the big dogs are certainly not the same as the littles.
Your GO reps looked fabulous. Great toy placement too. And great verbals. Spot on, click/treat!At :32 you did a rep which looked like a ‘left’ based on your turn and reward throw – The physical cue was on time and she read it. Yay! Remember to use a left cue or a name call – you might have done it, but it was quiet 🙂 On the next rep, your left cue was very clear and on time – one thing to consider is making it a lower-energy cue in terms of volume and intensity: if it is a little quieter and a little longer than GO, then it will help with the turns.
You can also start to move away sooner, I think her tunnel commitment can handle that!
I mentiomed moving away sooner because I think you were trying to move away faster on the next 2 reps LOL! And faster is always harder – and sooner doesn’t have to be fast, if that makes sense 🙂 Also, you can delay the toy throw on th left and right turns until after she has exited and turned – that way you don’t have to whip your shoulders around as quickly.At 1:28 you did a BC after the wing and then a left cue on the tunnel – she read the decel nicely! You can be sooner on the left verbal (she was already in) but she did see the physical cue. You were a lot earlier on the last rep and she read it well!
Don’t forget to add in the rear crosses on the tunnel entry too. Because of her size, you can do a couple of wraps but you won’t need to do many wraps on the exits… they are really hard on the big dogs’ bodies plus I think she will read them brilliantly (based on how nice her left/right turns were here) so you can show them once or twice but no need to obsess 🙂
Great job here!! And extra thanks to your videographer for braving those nasty skeeters!!!!
Tracy
Good morning!
This sequence gives us LOTS to play with 🙂Breaking it down into sections, rather than reps:
On the 1-2 line (where he has to bypass the end of the tunnel he can see to find 2) – standing still on the lead out worked and he got it right… but it was not as fast as he can go 🙂 So try leading out less, maybe 3 steps past the 1st jump – release and run run run 🙂 Now of course that is risky, because he might cut behind you to the wrong end of the tunnel. The trick to to be SUPER connected to his eyes and resist all temptation to point towards the tunnel until he is past you. That should get speed and the correct tunnel entry.
This will be especially useful in getting upstream to the wrap at 3: we can tweak your wrap mechanics to get a tighter turn and get you outta there faster. On the wrap reps (1, 3, and 4) you were facing forward on the send to the backside as he was passing you and giving him more help than he needed to commit by swooshing your upper body towards the bar: that caused him to jump a little bit on a slice (not as tight as he can do it) and also delayed your exit so you were on his line when he needed it as he came round the wing. (Good news – you ran a great line! Not as good news – we need to get you off of it sooner LOL!!!)
So the trick to the backside wrap is to get to where the wing meets the bar and as he is catching up to you, you are also rotating a bit sideways so your hip (in this case, left hip) is lined up to where the wing meets the bar. You cue the backside and as soon as his tail is past you, you leave for the next position. That will tighten the turn because the rotation cues better collection and will also allow you to get up the line sooner.Ti give you a visual of what I mean, look at the brake video. Ivan does not need the additional turn cue (he already turns beautifully) you can see my sideways position on the wing:
I will also grab some more video of what I mean this weekend to post 🙂
On rep 2 you did a forced front cross (:32) – I do think the slice line has potential to be faster than the wrap, so there are 2 ways to try this slice line: like you did here, but as a forced blind cross (the forced front cross causes too much rotation towards him and slows him down).
The other slice line option here is to enter the backside jump from the same line you brought him to it for the wrap – but then have him slice instead of wrap. I suggest a forced blind to a FC there. Another option is to send to the backside and stay on the landing side and do a serpentine. Both of those options will allow you to send him to 5 on your right side.And that brings us to the 4-5-6 line… I love the blind cross 5-6! Aggressive handling, risky… it lights his fire and he goes FAST 🙂 So the question is how to get there on time LOL! Coming from the wrap, the big send to 4 that you did on reps 3 and 4 (especially rep 4) really helps – and on both of those, you can start turning your head sooner for the BC – you can start turning it before you get past the wing of 5, because your motion will support taking 5. (You had a REALLY nice running line on your blind!)
The other option is to do the backside slice (entering the same side as the wrap), sending to 4 on your right side… then doing a FC to put him on your left (he turns left on 4) and then you serpentine the landing side of 5 to get to 6.
I drew it in CRCD if you can open it, copy and paste this into a blank map. Your running path is in red:
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the 10″ bar seemed perfectly fine to him, so leave it there for sure. And for this sequence, I think the #4 bar can also go to 10″.and your running lines were great! Good choices!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>Another question: do you use directional verbals (right/left) when you are doing FC and/or BC or do you let the handling speak for itself?
I do try to use the verbals as much as possible – definitely on blinds because there is the disconnection involved. Sometimes it is just a name call, sometimes it is a left or right cue, depending on the line – but I am not very quiet anymore 🙂
Hi! Life sounds busy! But you did get good training in here!!
You had some awesome moments of late turns, bad throws, flinging arms, etc. A couple made me snort! And she did had two little oopsie moments but made immediate adjustments (if she failed again, we would dial it back and make it easier).
The next place I would take this proofing is into simple jump grids – have you done 5 jump balance grids with her (5 jumps, 6 feet apart, 8″ bars). Most of the time when we are doing grids, we are calm and not moving – so you can use grids she knows to add motion, yelling, flinging, etc 🙂 And you can also add this into sequencing: simple sequence with a big bad handling moment – and reward for not touching the bar 🙂
>>One question – do I always leave the bar low or do I gradually raise it?
Yes, raise it on the one jump games now – and keep it low in grids and in sequences until she is really successful. Your goal is full height in sequences, eventually 🙂
On the tunnel reps:
>> I actually found that I had to give her the cue way ahead of that – her tunnel drive is solid, but she needs to know what’s happening early early early, it seems like.
Yep, she might be one of the dogs that needs to see and hear the cue fully in play when she is just arriving at the 6 foot mark, rather than having it start at the 6 foot mark. So you will have to start it at the same timing as you would start a cue if the tunnel entry was a jump: landing of previous jump so that she saw the full picture when she is still at least 6 feet away from the tunnel. My Voodoo is like that – if I *start* the cue when he is 6 feet away, I am not going like the exit LOL!!!
To ‘run’ cues for extension at the beginning were all really good – nice timing and nice toy placement!
When you switched to the right and left cues – the verbal was spot on but the physical cue looked like the run cue at :15 and :18 and :23 and :27 and :31 so she exited then turned (good toy placement!). The first couple of right reps had a lot of motion too – the rest of them and the left reps had less motion, but you were still forward – try to be full turned and peeling away when she hits that info line so the line of motion looks totally different.
Rear crosses – yes you did have to be on her tail LOL! On the right at :42 before she entered, you were so she got it. Yay! The left RCs at :46 & 1:09 were not as early (her head was in the tunnel) so she didn’t get it but you got it beautifully at 1:05 and 1:14 and also to the right at 1:18. Just make sure you turn to face the tunnel you want for a moment so she doesn’t cut across your path to get in it – you might need to give yourslef a little more room between the wing and the tunnel to be able to turn, maybe another 5 feet or so just to have the extra step.
On the wraps, think of the tunnel bags as jump wings and stay outside the line of them – if you pressure in towards the tunnel entry, you will end up a little late on your rotation and she might also read it as a rear cross cue (like at 1:32) So decelerate, stay outside the tunnel bags, and get the full rotation like you did at 1:37ish – let her see you fully turned and running the new direction before she goes in. On some of the reps like at 1:50, you were sideways and still moving a bit down the tunnel, so the turns were wider.
Nice balance of the various cues at the end, she did really well with each one! Your physical cues are the strongest, as we can see when you said left at the very end but cued a right turn LOL!! But keep working your verbals – you have great timing with them and they will have more and more meaning as she keeps practicing.
Nice work! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! Not weird at all LOL! I am glad it cooled off to get the runs in! I think it went really well so my suggestions are in full on obsessing/nit picking on how to be as fast and tight as possible.
>>Ps: I know the teeter is
. Working on it with Jen Pinder. Some progress… Jen’s great! I am sure she has a ton of ideas.
Looking at the 3 main sections of the course:
Section 1
I liked the dog-on-left opening line – he was able to read it in big extension. You started the FC on 4-5 nicely on time… but then mid-rotation you moved backwards for a few steps (:03) which drew him into the bumpy part of the water 🙂
2nd run – you finished your rotation sooner so the line was much better (no backing up) at :31. The FC bled off speed there, though, so 3 ideas for you to consider to see if we can match the speed 4-5 to what he was doing on 1-2-3-4:
– start the FC earlier, as he is in the air over 3 so it can be finished earlier so you can run out of it more
– lead out more so you can do the FC closer to the wing of 4 with nice early timing, which will add more motion 4-5.
– do a blind 🙂“All of the above” is an option here too!
Section 2, centered on the 8-9 cross – nice independent weaves so you had great timing on the FC! On the first run, you were one step too far over (past the line) so he was bumpy. On the 2nd run, from this angle at :46 you looked to be in a really good spot – but he was still wider than I want him to be. I personally like the FC option here. What I think is happening is that you are getting off the line too early and therefore he isn’t setting the line the way we want (he lands long over 8 and comes back to 9 on both runs). Now, you can’t stay on the line any longer than you did here unless you plan to also jump the 20″ bar 🙂 But what we can play with is setting the FC closer to the 8 jump so you can be on the line more visibly and longer, and still have plenty of time to get off it. He did not appear to be drifting or ‘line shopping’ so we can tweak the handling path.
My general rule of thumb is: the tighter the exit line, the closer to the wing we want to be if at all possible. And the wider the desired exit line, the more it is fine to be lateral. The 8-9 line is a pretty tight line, so you can be at the wing of the 8 jump right on the line to set it when he exits the weaves. You can show and set the line then be well off it when he needs it.
3rd section – Ending line to get the wrap at 13:
Loved the layering on the way to the wrap at 13 (:22)!! Even with the layering, it is hard to start the decel for the wrap cues and you had a domino effect here: late wrap cue made the turn wide made the spin late made the bar come down. You went into the gap on the 2nd rep – the verbal was perfectly timed but the body was still moving forward, delaying the transition to the rotation so he jumped long. The soft brake on 14 worked really well!
In order to get the tight FC and a tight turn at 13 (we do want it all :)) you can try to get there sooner so you have time to decel then rotation shortly after he exits the tunnel. That falls into the ‘running faster’ category which is a category that isn’t entirely helpful… plus if you run faster, his extension gets bigger, which makes collection harder. You can also NOT try to get there, and decel, then threadle 13-14, then rear cross 14 to 15. (But full disclosure: that is gonna be slow).So here is an adventurous thought: If you set the FC line closer to the wing of jump 8, you can drive him with a couple of step to 9… then basically run down the center of the course, committing him to 10-11-12 with verbals and motion while your running line takes you on the *other* side of the straight tunnel – you will running as directly from 8 to 13 as possible, between the 14 and 15 jumps. That will show a ton of extension and also get you to 13 about 3 hours before he gets there! I drew it in CRCD, you can copy and paste this into a blank map:
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End Course DesignerLet me know what you think! This is looking good so we can focus on these little details!
Tracy
Hi!
>>Let me know if you need a different view.
The view was perfect!
>> Also, I am showing this weekend. If there is video, can I post that for feedback?
Sure!
Good work on the video. Two very distinct things I see from him on the full course: connection is important and also he cues off your upper body a lot. Those 2 things are closely related 🙂 so we can use more connection to help keep your upper body pointed where he needs it to be. Here are specifics:
The turns from 2-3 and 5-6 are big connection points. In both of those spots, while he is still working the previous obstacle, keep moving forward like you did but turn and look him right in the eye, and maintain that until you see him very close to the next obstacle. Resist the temptation to point forward, that turns your shoulder the other way which also causes him to turn.Rep 1: He had the bar down at 3: Connect more to his eyes at the end of the tunnel and send him out away to 3 before he even exits – your cue to turn back to 3 was a little late, and he tried to save it but pulled the bar.
2nd rep – the physical cue on the 5 jump (serp) at :13 was good and your connection was good! It was hard to hear if you were also calling him but we can definitely work on high speed serps – I thought he should have come in and taken 5 but perhaps he just felt the wind in his hair too much there LOL!
3rd rep – this was the earliest send to 3 so far, you connected sooner and he had much better line at :20! Yay! Then at :23 you looked forward, turned your head and pulled your shoulders as you pointed forward, so he came off 4.
4th rep – I also liked the line to 3 here at :28! Nice early connection and smoooooth running line. Also, much better connection to 4 and 5 – he was still last minute coming in on the serp at 5. We will work more high speed serps with him for sure!
5-6 is a serp line, so keep your shoulders open to him and look him in the eye – as he was taking 5 at :32, you pointed forward to 6 which broke connection and turned your chest to the wrong end of the tunnel… and that is where he went.5th rep – I think you were thinking ahead a lot on this opening – your lead out was lateral and you didn’t really connect so he did get the #2 tunnel at :34 on a verbal but dropped the bar. You *almost* had 6 at :39 – you started with good connection when he landed but then pointed forward so he turned off it at the last minute. That is a spot to get connection, and maintain it until his nose is in the tunnel 🙂
The second half of the course looked great: very connected! You can perhaps call him a little sooner to tighten up the turn at 8 at :48. I loved his commitment at 10!! And that set up a nice turn. You can probably give him a softer threadle cue at 12-13 at :56 – he was on the way to 13 so you can keep your feet moving forward and just use your upper body to make sure he stays on the line. But overall – lovely connection on this half of the course so it went really well!!
Great job! Let me know if it makes sense 🙂
Tracy
