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>> Question…..so if he can’t get to tug but he can do hand touches could I “hand touch” him into the ring?
Yes – if he looks engaged and ready, you can try going into the ring with hand touches and tricks, even if he can’t tug. It will be good to know how he feels in that situation!
>>If he can hand touch he can almost always do through. And at least in that 2nd run at Data Driven where he was pretty distracted once he did the 3 straight jumps to the tunnel he could chase and tug his favorite toy like a demon
Ah yes – arousal came up, he relaxed, and the toy got exciting again 🙂 Plus in the ring there is less pressure form proximity from other dogs and people, that might be a factor.
>> I’ve always wanted to teach either a High Five or a Give Me Five…..just never found/made the time. If I did it with some sort of funny target could that work as both his moving behavior for the Verbals with Arousal and as a Instant Focus Game?
LOL, no, you don’t want to kill those 2 birds together LOL! The verbals with arousal should ideally be free or hand signals or props – because there is only one answer with the prop (so he doesn’t need to process different verbals) and also the hand signal might be he is also not processing verbals. So I would keep it separate for now.
Tracy
Good morning!
Great job trying the various options – it gave us a good sense of what is faster, and what will be even faster when it is tighter.
1st run – he was not as confident as he will be eventually on the in in Threadle on the jump after the tunnel, but he got it and it got you up for the blind is EXCELLENT position! I like how you got way up the line for a great blind!
For the wrap at :12 after the blind – you sent into it more than needed, so he was a bit wide. I think a spin or even just a decel (because he is very responsive) will tighten it up there.He was better with the threadle on the 2nd rep at :22 but has questions about how to jump it – this is something so show him on a lower bar a couple of times so he can sort out his feets for takeoff, then back to full height. It sets you up really well for the next line though, and sets a nice line for him to for the wrap.
Nice job on the wrap to the inside, you cued and left so it was nice and tight! It was a tiny bit faster than the slice but I think that was partially because it was better-handled: if we tighten the slice exit, I think the slice will end up faster.3rd rep – I think a longer lead out (or sending to the wrap wing from further away) will allow you to set the push while he is still in the tunnel – you were setting it after he exited so he had a zig in then a zag back out, which slowed him down. But this is also good to know, for courses where you can’t get ahead to set it: the threadle is a great option there!
Also, pushing from that side makes the line to the next jump and wrap a little slower, so he was slower overall on that one.4th rep – this was the slowest option because of the push being a little late, and the slice having a bit of a wide exit.
I think you handled them all well! The best option is the threadle to the inside wrap, for now 🙂 One additional option to consider for him here is doing a double blind instead of a threadle! That can speed him up through the threadle line while keeping you ahead (because he doesn’t have to do the double blind by himself, he can just chase you handling).Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
I am glad she is feeling better! It looked like something on her foot, so maybe just a bee sting!
I love the egg carton LOL! And it is easy enough to put in the car to take to new places. This is a good game for Maple too!
I think one thing that will help her in the new places (like the garage LOL!) is to bring her in and *then* put the egg carton down, so it become a little more obvious. And if it is still not obvious to her, you an pick it up and put it back down again. As soon as she realized that it was a training opportunity, she did really well! So it is a matter of that very first moment, I think putting the carton down after she enters might help. Keep building value for it and taking it new places 🙂
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
She did well here! She gave some really good moments of backing up 🙂 She had some questions at first then later in the session – she was offering the down or going around the wobble board. You can get the game rolling by starting her with all 4 feet on the board, then lure her front feet off, then let her step them back on. That will remind her to move backwards – then you can build up to letting her back up more fully. I think you were trying to help with your hand movement, but she was offering some really good backing up – so jump starting it with her being all the way on it at first can remind her to back up. Plus, she is at the age which she is still learning to use those legs 🙂 so you can also work on backing up on the flat as a reminder.
Nice work here!!
TracyAha! Here is the tunnel added in 🙂 Everything looked good!
Watching the GO lines – I did’t think your first throw was late, but she did LOL! Your second throw was earlier, when she landed from the 1st jump – that was perfect 🙂 I love how she is driving ahead!The first wrap might have been too subtle, you were gentle in your deceleration LOL! And she read it a little late, especially after the Go reps which were really exciting.
The second wrap was more dramatic, with a “sharper” more obvious decel and she nailed it. So on wraps that follow big speed lines, you can be earlier with a more dramatic (faster and sharper) transition into decel.Rear cross looked good here too! – with all the speed, you can converge in sooner like you did on the backsides. It is a fine line to start pushing the line as she is over the previous jump for the rear crosses (which is what you did really well on the backside reps) without pushing her off the jump by accident. The backsides looked GREAT!
Great job on these! And yes, definitely onwards to the wing or jump before the tunnel so you get even more speed here 🙂
TracyGood morning!
I hope Jedi feels better!!! Fingers crossed for a very quick recovery! I am sad you have to miss the Regional 🙁
Ruby looked great on all of these. You nailed the connection! Lovely handling 🙂 And she responded perfectly (also loved her stay!)
On the Go – I don’t think it was the throw that caused her to drop the bar, I think it was that you were decelerating/standing up as you threw it so she was responding to that. So keep running forward as you throw.
She did really well responding to the wraps. She was drifting a tiny bit, looking for the next obstacle, so you can leave sooner: finish the rotation and run away) and call her name, getting her to chase you for the toy. That way she will think more about chasing your line and less about where the next jump is 🙂
Rear crosses: Terrific!!!!
Backsides: Fabulous!
I was really happy with the rears and backsides: they need really different cues and you made it look easy 🙂 She is ready to see these with the tunnel!
Great job!
TracyHi! She is doing really well here with the skill! She is perfectly happy to do it and has no questions about turning away from you. Super!!!
Based on course design trends, I think you can build on this in 2 ways (besides adding more motion :))
You don’t need to help as much with the arm cue to cue the wrap – give maybe the tiniest hand flick then keep moving forward so you can also leave sooner for the next line.Also, I strongly recommend using separate cues – the in in followed by another verbal plus physical cues used to work really well! Then the judges were all like, “wait, try THIS” and so we are no longer in a good position to show the physical cue. And the additional wrap is late because it doesn’t happen til as or after the dog is arriving at the backside – so the dogs have very little time to set up the jumping effort. So, 2 verbals will allow you to give the info 20 feet sooner and also allow you to NOT have to be there (we are seeing this skill required a lot now when the handler is on the other side of the dog walk and still accelerating forward – EEK!!! Separate verbals and reduced need for physical cues eliminate the problem 🙂
Let me know what you think! Nice work on all of these!
TracyHi again!
Course 3: Emmie
Nice runs here too!!!
Looking at the opening:
For her, the threadle line ended up being a little faster but when I really obsessed and broke it down… it was the turn at 3 that made the difference, not the turn at. The backside send was faster over 2, but then you gave a big acceleration to 3 so she was wide there. On the threadle, the threadle itself was slower over 2 but you gave a better turn cue on 3, so that was where the time ended up being faster.
I think the fastest line will end up being the backside push and then just connect and cue 3, rather than run to it with a big send.
You consistently got really nice turns on the FCs after the tunnel! One little oopsie where you got on her line at 1:31 but the rest were great.
And good job letting her get past your feet on the rotation at :48 and 149 to set up the last line (you were a little early leaving one the first rep – the patience moment needed there is to let her get past your feet before you finish the rotation).Kippy:
It was interesting to see him read the threadle cue as a threadle for jump 1! You can try setting him on more of a slice line over 1, so it is more obvious to take jump 1 and then threadle – work it as a recall to your left hand there before turning on a stronger threadle cue.
On the opening line, same as with Emmie: Don’t show as much motion or send cue to 3 so he can turn more on it (rather than land long then turn on landing).
It was in
That #5 backside jump was great to work through for him, the way he sets up those lines, he did need a threadle as he still had a decision when he lands (front or back of the jump).The spin sets it! And so does the threadle at 1:21 – it looked like the threadle got you further ahead.For the tunnel exits: this is where I think that 6 foot line will really help: your cues at :37 and 1:45 were getting earlier but still late 🙂 His head was already in the tunnel 🙂 So let him see the FC and hear the verbal when he arrives at that 6 foot line, then have him chase you for the reward on the exit (to help him really want to turn :))
Overall, I think that is the hardest part: tunnel exits 🙂 Once we get that, it will be easier to run him 🙂
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Course 2:
Emmie
Looking at the opening and which was faster on 4:
The send-and-go was working out to be consistently faster even though it was not as tight: she could power in and out of it with more speed. She set up a lovely turn on the spins… but had to slow down to do it. You were a little late with the reconnection so she had a moment of looking at you before driving to the tunnel, which also slowed her down a little (there is no break in connection on the send and go, so she had no questions :)) You can play with starting the spin sooner so you are finished and reconnected to cue the tunnel before she lands, to see if that ends up faster than the send-and-go.Comparing the FC to the BC on the next section after the pinwheel:
FC was a little too early at :12, you were fully rotated before she landed from 7 so she was correct to read it as a cue to come to the backside.
She still had a question at :25 but you held position longer so she got it (you were still a little early :)) At :43 you were way early and ran backwards to get it done 🙂 You don’t need to start the rotation til she has landed from the 7 jump so you can rotate and move forward through the FC and not be too early.Interestingly, even though she had a couple of questions on the FC and no real questions that I could see on the blind: the FC was just about identical to the BC in the timing. That is good to know! If you can smooth out the questions, it will be faster 🙂 And smoothing out the questions is just being a little later in the cue (more patient :))
One last thought for her: try not to spin on the 9 tunnel entry, and it cues a tight turn but we want an extension there (at :28 for example). You can do it as a post turn to get the extension exit and not dilute the spin cues.
Kippy:
I thought he read the spin on 4 nicely! You can also play with the send and go to check which is faster. His runs looked good – a little more connection after he exits the tunnels will help: When he exited the 3 tunnel and you were looking forward, he went into handler focus and didn’t see the commitment to 4. Same with tunnel #5 – a little more connection will keep him seeing the line to 6 rather than coming into you.
Try to do the FC in the same position relative to the jump as you did with Emmie (you were a little too far across the bar with him on the FC). As with Emmie, the BC there really gained no advantage in time! So, getting the FC just right will be even faster 🙂Since we are obsessing on tunnel exits for him: the spin at :15 caused him to turn on the tunnel exit, good boy! So don’t spin when you don’t want a turn 🙂
Nice work here too!
TracyHi!
Good baseline! Good connection throughout. On overall suggestion – you can try to control the lines less, and move more – by control, I mean less pressure and hand cue into the takeoff spot, and you can use your verbals and move away more – that will help the cues look different to show the different lines and then you can also have an easier time getting to places on the bigger courses
On the first run: On this type of smaller course, you can run deeper into the tunnel so you can moving and not have to stand still at all 🙂
On place to do less control of the takeoff spot is the 8-9 line – you can be more lateral and tell her sooner (she looked at you on tunnel exit) and you can stay in motion more – big acceleration out of it sent her wide over 9.
2nd run – right verbal on tunnel entry #3 looked great!
One thing for this course and the others too: for her, try to use more early verbals and moving away to get tunnel exits, and less rotation on the tunnel entry. You had a rotation on the 7 tunnel at :32 and 1:12 and it got too much turn for this sequence (she was correct) – just say the word and let her see you move away – we don’t want to dilute the rotation when there is an extension exit.
Your decel on 8 is working ncely, think of it as more of a lateral send so you can move away sooner so there is no big motion to 9. The big motion to 9 is getting wider turns there.At :39 – she rear crossed instead of wrapped – yo were putting a lot of pressure on the takeoff spot, leaning into it, facing the RC line so as she was lifting off at :38, she saw you move to the takeoff spot and in the air, she flipped to a RC
At :58 you were further away on the wrap but still bent over and leaning in. So think of it as more of a soft transition: acceleration facing the wrap wing, decelerate, then rotate and leave without pressuring into the takeoff spot with hands or motion.
Looking at a little bit of timing: the 11 wrap to the end was faster when she was wider even will little question on exit of last tunnel. When you added the rotation there, it slowed her down a bit! And it was slowest when you went tothe other side of the end line. Good to know!Kippy
Looking at the tunnel exits, I think we can play with some timing stuff to help him turn better on the exits. Using a leash or something, mark the line that is 6 feet before the tunnel entry – then when he is arriving at that line, deliver the exit cue with physical and verbal cues. You were quiet on the tunnel entries on the first rep, and :24, then late on the others – if his head is in the tunnel before he sees/hears other info, then he will blast out straight 🙂 So try the 6 feet marker and see if it helps! Then keep moving away on the line you set so he chases you for reward – that will also help create better turns.
You added some rotation before the tunnel , turning towards him at 1:02 and 1:32. It changes the line on the exit but that will dilute the turn cues when you want the tighter turns, and also dilute your position when you need to get somewhere on a big course – he migh be relying on that which is why when you don’t do it, he goes really wide. So I think the 6 foot pre-tunnel timing can really help so you don’t have to rotate.
And be careful not to spin too much (1:06, 1:16, 1:35 and 1:40)- it should be a really powerful turn cue and we don’t want to use it to set up and extension line.
He did well on the pinwheels! You mentioned they were difficult for him – he has a little bit of difficulty with t he jumping effort on the pinwheels (a bit of wideness and some slipping on landing like at 1:04) so try sending into pinwheel from the landing side of the first jump then peeling away with a lot of connection, and not curving with the line – that can help him set up his jumping on the middle jump better.
For the verbals – one thing I have found is that it is not a problem to use the same soft turn cues from the DW on the jumps! It makes it easier to get all the things trained 🙂
Emmie has more verbals than Kippy… but you can just start using them with him and he will attach them to the behaviors pretty quickly 🙂 And for the threadle slice versus threadle wrap, I am going to try to convince you to use 2 different verbals – more on that below 🙂
Great job here!
TracyPossibly – if you think that will handling coming into it that he would still have a choice between front and back sides, then yes to the threadle cue.
Howdy!
>> You can decelerate into 4 and give him a left cue (it was hard to hear what you were saying)
He has no “left/right” cues. I usually just call his name for turns out of tunnels. I might have been saying ‘jump’ here.>>
Let’s train some! It is a skill I see lacking on a lot of fast dogs: we have all the verbals for tight turns or go lines or backsides… but those darned ‘soft’ turns have no name and they need a name LOL! Name and jump don’t give enough info anymore, now that the courses are so much bigger.
The good news is that it is actually really easy to train left and right (used it be a much more complicated process which is probably why people didn’t do it). I will find those videos too 🙂
>>>I have to work on this/remember this with him.
About the arm pointing: I cured myself that with my older dogs by running with an open bottle of water in my dog-side hand. (Then I moved up to coffee, which is more valuable to me, especially in the morning LOL!). That open bottle reminded me to control the arm and when I flung and pointed? I got water on my head (true story). I need to revisit this with my 3 year old dog because she has found a new gear of speed and now I am all clingy/pointy LOL!
>>My only suggestion on that ending line is that we can tighten up the 15-16 line at the end: you can do the FC there closer to the 16 jump so he could see the position cue: you were moving across the center of the bar of 15, so he jumped long based on your line of motion.
>>Julie said this too. Ha.
Ha! It is good to have another set of eyes on things in real time 🙂
OK so I will go find the zig zag grid videos and the left/right videos 🙂
Hi!
>>This week I noticed I was failing pretty miserably giving my verbals during the sequences to success as well.
OK, I will bug you then LOL! And also the next set of games will look at planning verbals better: I think most of us are NOT yet good at planning verbals and then we have to remember them on the fly, while running 100mph. So, more planning in the walk through will really help 🙂
>>I have not seen the zig zag grid before. It would be great to see the videos.>>
I will dig up the videos and post below 🙂
>>This is funny because I actually can do rear crosses on the flat pretty well – its’ the “real” rear crosses I can’t do. I was trying so hard to do a “real” one and was so excited I got it after that really bad one.>>
I think you are pretty good at the real rear crosses 🙂 si stop telling yourself you are bad at them. Those real rear crosses require patience when we are not way behind the dogs. And since you have tremendous foot speed (SO JEALOUS!) then you are probably not ever *that far behind… so that little hint of patience to set the line (patience in the form of a decel, sometimes) before accelerating into the rear cross will help. The specifics will depend on the actual course, but in general the real rear crosses are in a “Set (decel, turn to the line) Drive (accelerate up the RC pressure line) Cross (cut behind the dog who is now ahead of you)” rhythm.
T
Good morning!
>> He was a little wide on 3 in the opening – the need to get to the tunnel exit is causing you to lose the finesse at 3 on that line – so you can send and leave with a bit of decel. I liked when you did it all dog on left – if you send and leave to 3 (no spin) then you will easily be ahead of him on your left side to get the weave entry>>
>>I don’t know why I didn’t just do this. It was like I was purposely making this hard on myself. It just seemed like a good way to run it when I walked it initially.>>
I don’t think you were purposely making it hard on yourself 🙂 And it did seem like a good way! One thing that I do in training is that I can’t get it right on the 2nd try, I will watch the video. That gives me a break (it is HOT!) and gives the dog a break. And the video always tells me what I am doing wrong LOL! And if I still can’t tell from the video in that moment? I will stop and look at it again the next day, sometimes are brains need a day for the answer LOL!
>>I’ve been trying to work the fast blinds with him instead of the fronts on some of these drills to get better at them. I’m used to “floating” into the blinds and not just changing sides quickly.>>
I think you are doing a great job! The trick is going to be keeping your arms in really tight ti your ribs: hands down by your back pockets, upper arms in tight to your rib cage: that will make your tight blinds VERY quick because your head turn is all you need. When our arms are extended, the quick blinds take longer because we have to reel in then unfurl our arms, which delays things ever-so-slightly.
T
