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This was very cool to see! The FC rep was good – but the BC reps were *spot on* in terms of the anticipation: you were in progress as his nose exited the tunnel at :21 and :50, so he had 3 hours (in dog years :)) to read the blind. VERY nice!
And nice job getting a better line to the last backside #8 – and also leaving sooner (not cuing the bar). He was able to power into that jumping effort better (at :39 especially). I am liking what he is doing on the backside slice jumping, I think your work on the zig zag grid is paying off!
Great job trying crazy things!!!!
THello!
Monday mornings are the perfect time for Agility QB-ing 🙂>>On sequence 3, let’s talk about the tunnel exit. My thought was I can’t start the blind until I see him see the jump (#4). Then, when I see him see it, I can blind. I agree the second time through was better. So, at :21 I see him exit the tunnel and see the jump and at :22 I start the BC. I suppose in theory I could whip my head around faster on the blind but I don’t think that’s a good plan (balance and repeatability). So I reconnected at :23 as he lands. If I do the blind before he exits the tunnel, then he can run around #4: taking a straight line from the tunnel exit to the backside #5. In fact, I think I would want that (blind would put #4 behind me; at least in theory, if the exit from the tunnel was very sharp).>>
This very discussion inspired a small skills set that I posted yesterday: if your motion and verbal on the exit of the cross easily support the jump without having to run a wonky line, then you can do it while he is in the tunnel. If your motion and verbal do NOT support the jump, or you would have to run a line that is not a perfect path… wait til he exits then start it. That also means there is an anticipatory element: you would need to anticipate his exit so you can be ready: as soon as his nose pokes out of the tunnel – commit and cross.
The decision is made based on the specifics of how the sequence is set up. Your set up was right on the edge of being black & white – so it falls into the ‘anticipate the nose exiting the tunnel’ category. I would also be saying “jump jump jump” or a commitment cue while the dog is in the tunnel on this one, so the exact timing is less important and you can be slightly early, and he will still commit. If we wait too long, the dogs can’t adjust to the new side earlier enough – so they need to see the blind cross starting as soon after the tunnel exit as possible – which means the head turn almost completely finished before takeoff.>>On #8, I might be able to leave sooner, except for him aiming at the front side as he exits the tunnel and needing to be kicked out to the backside. I was stuck there until I could see him take the backside cue.
Yes – kicking him out to the backside is critical – at :13 and :29 I can see his head turn to look for the backside, that is the exact moment you can leave – and you did start to leave! But then you deceled and gave him an arm cue over the bar – I don’t think he needed that, you can just head directly for the blind there.
>>Then I disconnected at 31 for a stride or two and then reconnected. I’m looking at it in slo-mo and I don’t see that as too sharp a turn…(?) I complete the BC in time for him to be on the correct side. ?>>
Yes, you cleared the line and he didn’t have to wait too much on the exit – the slowing down was happening on takeoff for the 8 jump, he had to wait there. Plus, you can also get further ahead after that line on a bigger if you aren’t helping at the backside 🙂
>>I have always figured that shouting at a dog in a tunnel was futile (noise echoes around in there) and after one or two tries, it would be patterned. But I’m up for giving it a try…
I agree that it is unlikely that the dog will clearly hear or process my yells in a tunnel – maybe? maybe not? But I repeat the cues because it is like throwing a blanket over the line – at some point, I will hit the spot with the correct timing 🙂 If I only throw a hand towel on the spot, I am less likely to cover all my bases 🙂
>>I can leave earlier in training because I’m braver in training. Of course, I haven’t trialed since March, so who knows how brave I’ll be when I get to show again. And Enzo hasn’t ever been shown except the UKI home trials. Tomorrow is his second birthday.>>
Happy birthday Enzo!!!!!!! I hope he gets a day of whatever he loves most! And I understand about the bravery in training – especially with a young dog, it is easier in training. But I believe it creeps over into our trialing when we are comfortable with it in training 🙂
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>>If the cone was the weaves (too hot to take the weaves out) is this what you mean by handling from the landing side of 11?
Handling from takeoff side of 11, yes, this would be it! She read it pretty well!!! You would want to be there when she exits the weaves, right at the entry wing of 11. The other option would be blind crosses, 3 in a row 🙂
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Hi again!
Seq 1:
The opening line on the first rep looked good! On the first rep, You can move in a couple more steps towards the tunnel, so you don’t have to decelerate to get to the right spot for the push on 6.
It looks like you moved in deeper on the 2nd and 3rd reps and you definitely had more acceleration – so he was faster on the line 1-2-3-4-5. Yay!
On the 3rd rep you had a little less connection 2-3, so he looked at you (you were quiet) – then you said TUNNEL and he took off like a rocket LOL! So, be loud! He likes it!He had a REALLY nice independent backside push at :11 and at :30!!!
On that first rep when he turned left and you wanted right on 7: as he was taking 6, you turned parallel to the jump and ran like a regular serp, then as he landed, you pushed into the gap for 7. At :14 that caused your feet to look like a rear cross cue so that is where he went. That little bit of pressure read like a rear cross.
On the 2nd rep at :33 it looks like that is what you wanted him to do (turn left)? but you crossed his line before he was committed to the jump, so he turned on the flat.
The 3rd rep was great – you ran a very direct line to the wrap wing of 7 at :49 and he had no questions.On the 8-9 threadley section – one thing I notice about Wilder on this threadle and on the threadle in the Novice sequence: when you used a come verbal and turned your shoulders, he looked at you but was not actually coming to you – he hung out by the jump until you sent him back. It works in this context, but I think it might bite you elsewhere, when you turn your shoulders and say come, meaning to follow your line – but he might stay out on an off course line. Am I remembering correctly that sometimes he does not want to come into you? If so, we can clarify when we *do* want him to come in versus when we want him to stay out (like on this threadle). If I am remembering incorrectly, just ignore this LOL! Let me know 🙂
Oh wait! It mght have happened right at 1:10 on the next sequence! You turned your shoulders and wanted him to come in to you but he pinged away. (The verbal was not come, it was push, but the shoulder turn was similar). Part of the reason it happened here was that you were a little late getting across the line on the blind (driving the 1-2-3 line more laterally away will help you get there sooner) so you ended up blocking the wing of the backside jump. Your position was spot on on the next rep (1:22) but then you over-compensated a little on the push by pulling your shoulder and he ended up on the front side. The next rep at 1:31 was perfect (it is like Goldilocks and the 3 Bears: that one was just right :))
But I do think that when you pull your shoulder like on the first rep, he wants it to be a pull-and-send moment where he goes back out… so he very efficiently wants to stay out. Smart! So you can use that for the cues where you do want him to stay out (like the threadle) and we can change it for the moments where it might bite you.
On the ending line: he did a gret job pushing to the backside! That skill has really improved, great job building it up!! Now we can focus in on getting him to take the bar independently so you can just leave. It boils down to dropping the toy in on the landing side as soon as he commits to coming to the backside (to get it started) as you move through without helping him commit. When you helped him at 1:42, he back jumped it. On the very last rep you helped with a front cross on the landing side which worked! Keeping your eye on him definitely helps get the commitment there! I want you to be able to get even further up the line, so we can help him with the default behavior of ‘take the jump while the momma leaves’.Lovely work on all of these! Let me know what you think. How is Lit’l Bit?
Stay cool 🙂
TracyHi! Great job on these!
Seq 1: very nice!! On your first run, you did a BC after the tunnel and finished on your right. On the second rep, you kept him on the left all the way through – both were really nice! On the 2nd rep, you can keep moving through the #4 jump – you hesitated there and it caused him to turn into you a little more than needed. That caused the handling on that side to be a little slower because there was extra collection (yes, I timed it LOL!!)
Based on what we saw on the skills sets – you can also be a bit louder on the lines into and out of the tunnel, I think that will get even more speed!Seq 2:
He read the threadles here pretty well – I think he is waiting a bit for you to release him back to the threadle jump (#3) so you can cue him to take it as soon as he has landed from 2 and you see that he is coming to the correct side of 3.Seq 3: You can run this opening from a more lateral position, which will allow you to get the same nice speed on the 1-2-3 line and also get across to the BC 3-4 even sooner – the first rep at :59 you were a little late on the BC.
For the wrap at 5 at 1:01 – I think a spin would be helpful there for 2 reasons: first, it will tighten up his turn there. Second, you can leave sooner to be able to get across the serp jump (#6) by one more step to be able to then step in to get the line a little smoother to the last tunnel.On the 2nd rep, I LOVE the idea of setting a RC on the flat to get the turn at 5 and then get you to a perfect spot at 6 to show a great line to 7!! Love it! You can strategize that handling to also get more speed from 3-4 by going deeper into the tunnel: this will keep you in motion more so he will accelerate more. You were a little too far ahead so you stopped at 4, which got a lot more collection than you need there.
The layering at the end was a good balance!
Onwards to the Masters Sequences 🙂Hi! The heat has been so bad lately!! I am glad you are able to play in the mornings!!!
First video:
Jump-to-tunnel disconnection line: this one was hard for him!
on the first rep, your motion was good but you got too quiet – keep saying the GO and the tunnel cues to help him stay on the line. You did more of it that on the 2nd rep and it helped! But then you got quiet so he came into you. He definitely finds the softer connection to be distracting, he dropped a bar here too! So use more verbals: maybe the best combo is go go go on the jumps then switch to tunnel tunnel tunnel as he gets the 2nd jump.
On the 3rd rep you had more motion to the tunnel which totally helped!
The line after the tunnel was easier for him – you can keep the verbals going on this too, don’t get too quiet too soon.On the backside lines – you handled it just right on the first rep and he said he didn’t totally get the default behavior of taking the jump while you leave. He did a great job of getting too the backside, he just needed help taking the jump – he did better coming in on the backside jump with the name call and a jump cue and a little boit of the serp arm. Helping get the commitment there made it harder for you to be able to leave for the blind, so check out the skills sets I posted yesterday, to work on getting the automatic commitment to the jump when he gets to the backside. That will make it so much easier to drive into the blind cross there.
On the last 2 reps here – he did well finding the line with your motion and not needing a lot of connection! You had more verbals going on the rep where you threadled the wing so he was more confident. On the very last rep where you wrapped the wing, you got really quiet, so he slowed down and looked at you, and started coming in towards you. He definitely prefers it when you are loud 🙂
2nd video: yes, this is a hard threadle and the dogs are telling us if they have any threadle questions! He did really well when you handled it with the forced crosses. And when you set up the threadle and did the blind when you saw his head turn at :41 and :51 and 1:08 – VERY nice!! Even with needing to help him on the threadle, getting the BC started that early still made for a nice tight turn with you way ahead! And it looked really good coming in off the forced blind as well. He understands that commitment very nicely!
So, back to the threadle – you can revisit the threadle foundations so he has the same understanding that you have been working on with Lit’l Bit. I posted a training thread for it (I will bump it up to the top) – he is probably of the generation where we didn’t put on as good of a threadle foundation 🙂 but it is never too late to revisit it!Onwards to the sequences 🙂
TracyYay! Do the default games progressively: Serps then backsides then threadles. And the tunnel game can be done at any time 🙂
Hi!
This is a good foundation skill to revisit! On Wilson’s video – he had some questions 🙂 I think it was mainly that the angle you started him on was a bit too difficult for now. The angle he was on was very much to the front side of the bar, which is where most of his value is – so you can have him more at a perpendicular angle to the edge of the wing: the front side of the bar is still in play but not as much, and it is easier to get to the threadle side. And then also for him have the reward out on the line past the jump bar (where you had the MM for Demi) so he develops the default to take the jump after the threadle cue without you having to cue it. If he likes the MM, you can totally use it for him too 🙂Demi did really well on the first couple of reps – I believe she saw this in MaxPup so she remembers it! Yay!! Your rep at :42 was GREAT, nice cue and nice timing of the click of the MM. Very nice! Having the MM out there is both a big help (threadles) and a hindrance (the break reps).
She had trouble with the break because at first your position was the same as the threadle (she is still learning to discriminate between the verbals) and also, even as you adjusted, because the MM was there. The MM *must* mean it is a threadle, right? LOL!!! You did a great job changing her position and showing the reward nice and early for the straight line – that will help her understand the difference and learn to ignore the beloved MM. You can use your motion and position to help on the ‘break’ moments by moving past the jump ,facing it, etc., to make it look totally different than the threadle reps.
Nice work! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>Part of the timing issue is I am just not running like normal.
That makes sense! You can slow down sooner to be able to leave sooner, if that makes it easier on your knee?
>>I think I do more wraps than germans because he can knock those. We have worked at getting him to set himself up well for those – not taking it on a slice where he seems to knock. Next course I will put some of those in for you!!>>
Yay! Let’s work on those! Bar dropping on those is a common thing… check out the skills sets I posted yesterday that involve teaching the jump as a default behavior on those backside slicey turns. I have found that teaching the dog to default to jumping in those moments on a german has improved the jump a whole lot 🙂
THi there! The a/c must have been glorious!!!!!
First rep – when you freeze the video at :05 as he made the turn back towards you, it did indeed look like a cue to go back into the tunnel. At :12 (2nd rep) and :20 (3rd rep) you turned sooner and also moved away – so he turned tighter on the exit of the tunnel and picked up on your motion. The tighter turn/more motion combo helped get the turn without any bonus tunnels 🙂 I do think the digdigdig verbal helps too, as it has such a specific meaning.
On the 4th rep where you had the tunnel exit in more of a sequence – you can start your rotation and verbal sooner. On matting, you probably don’t need to be as easy as you would be on grass but he will need to see it before he enters the tunnel – so, since the footing has those squares, we can use them for planning 🙂 I would say you can start the rotation & verbal while his nose is still 3 or 4 squares away from the entry. That way he can see and hear it all before he gets into the tunnel.Threadles – the proximity does make it a little more challenging, but the bars were low and that helps!
He responded really well to the cues, but we can tell him sooner how tight the turn is on the jump after the tunnel: you can use a wrap cue on the jump as he is approaching it to get collection and then switch to your threadle cue when he is just about at the jump after the tunnel, to tell him to go back out to the other jump. Because there was no directional here on the jump after the tunnel, he took off a bit long – the directional can tighten that, which makes the threadle even easier to execute 🙂On the sequence at the end – because of his length of stride, you can plan the timing differently when the distances are tight: you can start your deceleration into tight turn cues when he is taking off for the previous jump, so you are rotating into the tight turn cue as he lands. At 1:10 here, as he is jumping the green wing jump, the distance to the tight turn to the wingless jump is very short – so you can be decelerating as he is jump so when he lands, you are already rotating. You had big-distance-timing going here, where you stepped forward when he landed then rotated… which sent him wide. So the smaller distances to look for here are 18 feet and under, approximately (this looked like 15 feet maybe?) Because that is tight for a big dog – he is making his takeoff decision for the next jump as he lands from the previous jump, and a deceleration before landing will help get the tight turn. On distances that are over 18 feet, I don’t think you need to be that early, the extra yardage will give you extra time 🙂
At the very end (1:19), I think you wanted him to come take the green wing jump? If so, remember to open up your left shoulder so he sees your upper body facing the bar. You had it closed forward, which said “don’t take the jump” – and if you didn’t want him to take that jump there, then you were perfect 🙂Nice job! Let me know what you think and stay cool!
TracyHi! This looked great! She has made a lot of progress in coming in tight to you, even with the open hand at the end!
Starting with the drive to handler was smart to get the game rolling, and she then did beautifully when you added in the acceleration after the turn. Great job with your low arms and connection before/after the blind, which made it really clear to her both where to be AND to focus in on the collection hand. Nice job with your transitions: for example, on the 2nd to last rep, you were fast as she was driving to you and through the blind, then you did a very clear deceleration before the turn, so she was able to whip around through it. Perfect! So much good stuff!! No worries about the lines not being perfectly straight, they were great for what we needed. You can add a bit more challenge here now by moving away from her before she even gets to the cookie (rather than waiting for her to get it) – that adds more distance which will also add speed. And when she gets to you, you can add in doing a little front cross (like the ‘double’ part of the drive to handler game) or doing 2 shoulder turns in a row (don’t get dizzy :)) so she doesn’t anticipate driving ahead but is reading the cues instead.Great job here! Looking fabulous! And hopefully it isn’t too hot outside!
Tracy
Hi!
OMG she is so funny, she loves that prop!! And it is helpful on the parallel path game that she makes her foot smacks SO obvious. Good girlie! She was cracking me up – you would say ‘ready’ and she would run to smack the prop LOL! As you play this, to be able to get more and more distance laterally and ahead, you can toss the treat a little further away on her line and begin moving before she finishes eating it – then when she turns, you will be lateral and ahead on that parallel line, so she can turn and drive to the prop (then you toss the reward out ahead on the line so you cn turn and go the other way). You were waiting longer than you needed to, which meant you had to run 🙂 She did brilliantly here so you can add more distance for sure!! If she will hold a stay, you can also start like that but if she will not reliably hold a stay don’t use it (we don’t want to set her up for failure by breaking a stay with the prop out there, we will add more stay stuff later on :))The countermotion is going really well too!! Good job really watching the prop to make sure she hit it. You can add it a moment when she resets in front of you after getting the treat – that will allow you to get to where you want to send from and give one step on the send then move away. When you didn’t reset (and sent right after she got the previous cookie) you were moving backwards for a few steps which made it harder to then move forward for the countermotion. So – after she hits the prop, throw the cookie, move to your start spot, call her back to you, make eye contact with her… and then send. If she tries to skip the reset in front of you and instead goes directly to the prop, you can reward her for coming to you – lots of rewards being given out on this game 🙂 I think she is doing a fabulous job and so that moment of reset will allow you to add challenge by starting in different positions and leaving sooner.
Great job on all of these! She is such a fun puppy 🙂 Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
I am impressed, she was an expert catcher here!! You can play with throwing the treat behind her a bit so she has to move back to get it: that way you can have clearer reset into the sit cue. I think you were cuing the next sit too quickly on the reps where she had to take a moment to respond: for example, at 1:50 she sat, you rewarded, she got the treat and then was still processing/eating it when the next sit cue came. She had a total, “wait, what?” moment and took a few seconds to process the cue. Something similar happened at about :38 when she was still chewing and you gave the sit cue – she is like me, I cannot chew and process at the same time LOL! and at :55 when the she couldn’t find the treat. The snappiest reponses came in moments like 1:10, when she looked at you after eating the treat, you had her full attention, then you said the sit cue: bam, nice fast sit. So give her that extra moment to eat or find the treat, look at you, take a breath – then she is ready to hear the sit cue. And if she does need a moment to process it – waiting like you did was perfect.
I think she is ready for you to add a little more duration and then moving away in her sits! She is doing well!
THi!
Super nice job on the blind crosses!! It took her a moment to find the treat on the first one but then she was onto you and was very quick to grab it and drive to you on the other reps. Great job with your connections and toy placements! There was one rep where you had the toy in the dog-side arm but then you had it across your body on all the others. I think your timing was fine – you can play with starting them even earlier, as soon as she turns and begins moving towards you. She read the blinds perfectly here, which means you timing was strong. Yay! If you have someone who can hold her, you can add distance to these by running further away before you call her. I think she will love chasing you with even more speed 🙂The 2nd video is still marked private – youtube does indeed make it a pain to change settings! If she is doing well on the bowls game, you can totally add in the upright to go around, if you haven’t done so already.
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