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Super update! Sounds like a really successful time (but it looks cold!!!!). I think his lack of enthusiasm on the first session was mainly carsick carryover (a little bit about the new place but mainly the carsickness, poor dude). But then it sounds like he was great! There were people, new smells, noises – no problem (nice barn, too!)
The teeter session was great. He was pushing to get into target position during your countdown and the movement/whip/noise of the new board didn’t seem to bother him at all. Happy dance! The crazy elevator from the wing looked fabulous too – he is going to be able to do the full teeter next time! Woohoo!!! So we have now reached the stage of planning to get this progression of the game on as many different teeters as possible, and some in front of tunnels in new places. Lather, rinse, repeat 🙂
And… UKI trials! What is coming up? And USDAA too. Time to plan for some training in the ring opportunities. Not AKC though, because you will not be allowed to throw the toy and Kaladin with think it is stoooooopid if you just hold Nemo.
Great job here!!!
TracySuper nice session! My only suggestion is that the dead friz is boring for him 🙂 so try to throw or roll it even if you are way ahead, rather than toss it back. When he exited and the Friz was moving, he was stoked! When it was flat like a pancake, he waited til you threw it again. And it is fine if it ends up past you on the throw, he can be chasing you and the friz during the reward moment.
Hmmmm, what to do next…. Yes to adding the harder angles by moving the wings further down the line. And I think I would try what you did here: start with the PT, get him going, take it out… and then tighten up poles 5-6 maybe halfway through the session if he is having a lot of success. That will bring poles 1-2 and 5-6 to be basically straight, right? And you would dial back your motion at that point a little bit.
And then we would tighten up poles 3-4 in the next session. I think he is ready for 6 straight poles – his speed, entries and striding all look great here!! Let me know what you think!
TracyPerfect, perfect, PERFECT!!! Hopefully they will put gamblers first so you can definitely NFC it to reward 3 things: start line, teeter, weaves. I am confident you will have 12 weaves but the end of May – strong enough to do NFC. And then you can decide if you want to do them “for real” in jumping, or not 🙂
Awww that is so fun! Do you have any UKI trials coming up where you can do some training in the ring to start getting him into trial mode?
Good morning!
I agree, he did look really happy and confident to drive across the board! So fun!
And yes, your fake running helped him a lot in terms of maintaining the end position as he learns to hit and hold position while you run for real 🙂 You can keep the fake-ish running going on the teeter games and use the plank to build up the real running: that way he can sort out the running on an unrelated thing and he won’t have as many reps (concussion) on the full teeter.His best reps where when he had to wait on the table for the cue to run the board – those were better balanced as he moved across the board – and also when you dropped the treat in on to he target, rather than fed from your hand. Those two little details will help promote a better weight shift because he will run down and put his head down, to look for the target & low reward.
>> I will continue at this level and slowly build in my motion.>>
Yes, I like that plan! And the added motion can also come from the plank work. Two things you can add to the training this week:
– on this game, lower that table even more so he goes uphill before he goes downhill 🙂 The table probably can only adjust down to the 16″ height, so you can prop up the teeter with mats or towels so the drop is not a full 4 inches bigger, maybe only and inch or two.
– time to tackle the elevator game! Because he is pretty big, you might find it easier to use 2 hands to hold the board. And because we want to still reward him for hopping on, you can smush/smear a little peanut butter or cheese on the end before you ask him to jump on. That can make both of your hands available for holding the board 🙂 and then you can whip out another treat when he goes into target position.Great job here!!! Let me know how the next steps go!
TracyGood morning! Excellent sessions here! She was SUPER with the challenges (and you had some crazy ones) – she only thought one challenge was too crazy, it was like a countermotion rear cross or something on the 2nd video LOL!! But I am really pleased with how she is used her body: thoughtfully entering with balance and then getting the striding. The torquing of her rear or hitting her shoulders that she did early on is gone now. Yay!
I think it is time to make the leap to straight poles. You can close them all in except leave that #4 as tiny bit further out (she might not need that anymore, but it can’t hurt). The first sessions on straight poles should be the simpler challenges of you just sending on various angles and running forward on a parallel line, to let her sort out the next variable. If she is happy with that – you can push pole 4 straight too. Start off easy and let her success guide you as to how hard to make it :). I am excited to see what she does!
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
>> Yes, Kip is a bigger dog than I’m used to running. He’s definitely going to be jumping 24” in Usdaa and possibly AKC as well. Which means I’ve got less margin for timing error and I’ve got to really work on being more proactive in giving info to him much earlier.>>
His size is the good news and the bad news: good news is that his size and stride length will fill the gap between obstacles and you will have an easier time with commitment! And the bad news (which really isn’t bad news) is that your timing will come earlier that it will with a smaller dog. On most normal distances (up to 21 feet), he will need to make his next decision when he lands from the previous jump or exits the tunnel/contacts/weaves. But that is a little easier, in a way – you can see him jumping/exiting and start delivering the next info.
>>And yes, I’ve been doing my Rear Crosses with more of an L shape and controlling the tightness of the turn with the angle and intensity of the L shape. I have not really associated deceleration as a way to control the tightness of the RC! But as I think of running with Apache, if I’m going to set up a tight rear with a hard “L”, I do decelerate quite a bit to set up my hard angle drive into her line. I say she reads my mind but she is probably just very good at reading my intention thru subtle body language cues and my deceleration cues the fact that I want a tight turn as much as my angle toward her. >>>
The L rear crosses are more like tandem turns, and there is indeed a time and place for that. But on a normal rear cross, you can set the line with the diagonal and then you are not left out of position on either the extension RCs or the tight ones. Also, differentiating the L rear as tandems (outside arm cue for me) with diagonal rears also gets rid of some of the questions I have seen dogs ask when they turn away on post turns: that happens when it looks too much like the L rear crosses, and it is confusing.
And yes, the adult dogs are masterful at sorting us out 🙂 The youngsters are the only ones who give us the most honest feedback LOL!!!! At this point, my 8 year old dog just rolls his eyes at me and gets it done, but the baby dogs are much clearer when I am unclear 🙂
>>>Intention is everything and sets up subtle cues the dog can read! (They can also read our worry about an off course obstacle and thus be drawn toward it ).>>
True, and TRUE! LOL!!!! Off course options are to be ignored, pretend they are not even there 🙂
>>Whoa, too much Sat morn agility philosophical ranting- I need to get more coffee!>>
HA! More coffee is always the right answer.
>>You are right about the wing wrap start being awkward with Kip as I have to unnaturally hang out at the wing. I think I’ll try some of the same work but perhaps with a tunnel start to give the RC a more realistic flow.>>
One of the recent games presents the RC option from a tunnel to also balance with the GO lines – that gets into the nitty gritty of making sure the GO and the RCs look different while adding speed. It is the Week 5 Concept Transfer Game for Rear Crosses.
have fun!
TracyGood morning!
>> My verbal for jump in extension is “jump”.
that’s why I was mixing it with go on because it’s almost the same meaning but it wasn’t intentional for me to change the words. Go on , for me, is supposed to mean go on without me and take the obstacles in the line in front of you.>>In terms of trying to remember all the various verbals and be consistent, this might be a redundancy and you can choose one or the other, so you don’t have extra verbals that mean the same thing.
>>I was having trouble figuring out best way to be in a position when he exited the tunnel so that he would be driving in front of me instead of lateral/parallel or behind/chasing…ended up being too much decel by accident.>>
The decel was fine, actually, if the verbal is used before he goes in 🙂 But if he sees/hears the decel and there is no verbal to tell him to ignore it, then he was correct to come out looking for you. I work go to override decel all the time, because sometimes I need it for gamble skills and sometimes I need it to get my butt across the ring while also convincing the dog to keep driving a line ahead of him 🙂
>>Did you notice I did take your advice and kept running after throwing the toy this time? he liked that much better than me slowing after throwing…lol!>>
Yes! It was awesome! He loved it 🙂 Dogs love to race and love the motion, so keep on run run running 🙂
T
Super happy dance! She looked great. She had one moment of trying to splat herself in the crazy elevator warm up section but was great otherwise. As you add the complexity of the crazy elevator and the full teeter, you can dial back the running past the board: move, yes, but don’t run hard. That way she is less likely to self-release and more likely to get reinforcement. We want to reinforce the drive across the board and the end position, and don’t want to risk withholding reinforcement if she self-releases.
I think the full teeter looked great and it appears she was happy with it based on her response on the NEXT rep (that is the one that really tells us how they feel about the full teeter. Great job differentiating between “the real thing” with your position and verbal and the Crazy elevator game with your position and no verbal. Really strong!!!!!
So I think the next step for her is going to be replicating this session as you did… but with a tunnel instead of a wing. The hardest part for her will be the “please don’t splat yourself” so it is possible that just the visual of the tunnel will raise arousal, so you can dial back your motion to balance that for now.
Question: what does the Ontario summer look like, in terms of training in the ring opportunities? Trials, matches, seminars? Ring rentals? I know things are still in bad shape with Covid, but we can start to plan and hope for the best!!!
Great job here 🙂
TracyGood morning!
Great job on both of these sessions!!
On the home teeter, he was great. That teeter has so much side-to-side and whip that it is probably the hardest one he will see, so it is great that he does so well on it. While I am thinking of it, do you have access to a Clip And Go teeter? It moves really differently and so it would be good to play some games on it.He LOVES his end position and is also great about holding it til released. That helps him drive up the board too – he was flying here and you had some significant hustle to get to the end LOL! He liked the hustle too 🙂
Remember to use your words on the full teeter though: you got really quiet and we don’t want to surprise him 🙂 Add the target cue as he is getting on the board. I think on the full teeter you were holding the ball in your shirt pocket: that, plus watching him, made you silent LOL! So remember the words and might as well run with the ball in your hand – it adds a nice layer of distraction/stimulation that I think he is ready for!The outdoor session went well – he is *almost* as comfortable outdoors as he is indoors, which is truly amazing considering his lack of experience doing this outdoors and probably less access to being in different environments due to the pandemic. I am happy with how he did!!
I will bug you to use your words here too LOL! Remember those cues so he can differentiate between the elevator game and the full teeter.
And smart training to put the target on the ground, to help make the food more visible. He doesn’t need it to get into end position but it certainly clarified the reinforcement placement 🙂 Yay!!!The trial season is picking up in your area… do you have access to any training in the ring opportunities in any of the venues? We can start getting his lovely work into the ring!!!!
Great job 🙂 Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! This session went really well too! I agree, working with a mask is challenging but with practice it gets easier. I have tried dozens of types of masks before finally finding the type/fit that is best for dog sports LOL! Welcome to the new normal, right?
He did well without his target and without your apron. You can leave your cookie bucket on the table outside the ring at the trial, kind of like you did here, so he knows where the rewards are (I think that is helpful for the dogs).
As with the previous session, my only suggestion is to resist the temptation to face him: keep facing forward and moving forward, as facing him stops him shorter on the board.
And an observation: on the full teeter, he was better about driving all the way to the end when you were closer to the end as well, like at 1:39 (almost looked like you were going to catch the board there). When you drove further ahead on the previous full teeter, he was a little higher when he stopped (still good, but you were patient and reminded him). So at the trial, stick a little closer to support with the body language on that first full teeter.
Otherwise, I think he is about as ready as he can be! This si exciting! During the week, if the trial is on Saturday, I would put the teeter into the sequence to replace the board and do some elevator games in sequence and some full teeters in sequence, with tons of rewards 🙂 A session every-other-day will be best: Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday if weather permits, with Friday as the rest day (I always give dogs a rest day or two before a trial).
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi again!
That is interesting – the environment had enough stress in it that he had to take a run around to relax. Good to know, because the trial environment might produce that too. What is your first class at the trial? Also, definitely get there early enough to let him just walk around, acclimate, sniff everything and then maybe do some tricks for treats 🙂The teeter work here looked great. Be careful not to face him as you catch the board or after you drop it, just keep facing forward or moving forward. We don’t want him to think that you turning to face him is part of the cue at all.
The full teeter looked FABULOUS, it was the highlight of the session. And he did a great job finding the board on an angle when you turned him left around the jump! Really nice session!
T
Good morning and Happy Mother’s Day!
This was a lovely warm up! He looked relaxed and focused here. There are a LOT of different variables: the environment, the footing, mom in a mask, etc: and he was able to replicate his behavior beautifully! The footing is going to take some adjustment for him because the turf is less grippy than your grass, so you might see some slipping but I think he will figure it out. Nice work!T
Good morning!
Thanks, yesterday was fun – I was at a flyball seminar and all the young dogs got some training in a new environment. Fun!!!
Presto looked good here and I don’t think you got ahead of yourself: adding the wing was the next logical step. One thing you can now add too is the motion after the target cue/board drop where you walk forward.
The target out ahead was VERY helpful for getting him to focus ahead! I agree, he was probably not using the target on the board but he has a little bit of a ‘superstitious’ nose touch to that area while he is in the down – I am fine with that 🙂
One thing I noticed on the target out ahead was that it was putting him a bit forward on his shoulders up the board on the first session then for the first minute of the 2nd session. Then at 1:14 of the 2nd video, the teeter almost made it to the ground and he was like WHOA! And that changed his perspective a bit: “I think a little weight shift would be good here”. So he weight shifted too early on the next rep, but then on the rep after that and the others, he was running to the end AND weight shifting. It is cool to see him being able to go fast AND be thoughtful about his body too. Yay!So for the next session, I suggest 2 things:
Warming up with the regular elevator and the crazy elevator from the stay – adding your motion forward after the target/board drop.
Then I want to do a couple of crazy elevators with one full teeter thrown in, nice early target cue, you moving slowly and nearby. Ideally, you would do it from the tunnel but it memory serves, you can’t always move the equipment around at TCOTC. So doing it from a wing is fine too!
3 things to keep in mind:
– use your knees more on the catching of the board when it drops really far, you were using your back a lot and I don’t want to have your back get wrenched! You used your knees better on the 2nd video than on the 1st video.
– when you do the full teeter, do it on the Clip and Go. I think the teeter in the first video was a different one and it was very bouncy when it landed – usually that is fine but i want his first full teeters to be on a board he can’t control easily and that won’t bounce him off if there is a lot of speed.– on the full teeter rep: do just one rep. And basically, reward ANYTHING. I mean, if he dock dives off the end I would probably not reward it but ask for a trick and give a cookie instead, then go back to elevator games. But if he is even remotely close to accurate? Reward it because the variable of doing the full teeter is MASSIVE and we want it to be a great experience.
Then go back to a crazy elevator game for rewarding of more accuracy and also to see how he felt about the full teeter 🙂Nice work here! Keep me posted!
TracySuper nice session here, so fun to watch! Yes, a couple of the errors were because the handling didn’t help him as much as needed because he is an inexperienced dog, but as he gets more weave experience you’ll find that he will get those entries too 🙂 Yay!!!! You set up the session really well to get the added challenge of speed/running/harder entries while still getting correct weaving and striding. He seemed really pumped up and also didn’t lose his accuracy or striding.
One little detail is that sometimes on the harder entries you decel a little and hang out by the entry before running up the line again – you’re probably watching the entry and don’t even realize it. So think of the poles now as a tunnel… stay connected like you did but run run run 🙂 That will add an additional layer of challenge but will be very useful on course!
For the next session, you can replicate what you did here but with 6 poles 🙂 I think 4 straight and then poles 5 and 6 a little open is the right place to start but if he has questions, you can open up poles in any spot where he has a question.
I also love how he is handling himself on the turf (and also grass) so the more you can get on the turf or grass, the better!Great job here! Let me know what you think 🙂
Tracy
