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Good morning!
Great job starting the lazy game here! She did really well. 2 suggestions for the next sessions – add more distance between the jumps while you walk, so she is really flying around the lines and you are not needing to do much at all other than move around lazily 🙂
When that goes well – add in jogging and then eventually running, so she finds the lines even when you are running hard (keep mixing in rewarding for each jump or two). It might take several sessions but the goal is that she works to find the jumps even when you are running really fast (and doesn’t go around them). I have been doing that with my 2 youngsters:
Let me know how she does! It will also help her with the new games posted yesterday 🙂
Tracy
Good morning!
He was super confident on the plank! You can elevate it with a block under each end, so it is a couple of inches off the ground. That will add a little more challenge!
>>Zyp was getting so excited he was leaping off the plank and maybe that didn’t matter but I tried to slow down a little to see if he would walk the plank.>>
Yes, he was excited and that is great! But what was happening was that the reward was late… so you were actually rewarding looking towards you and leaping. He would go across the plank, look at you, leap towards you… then you took the treat out and threw it. When you slowed down, he was leaping less but still looking at you (and we want you to not have to be slow or close to the board). So to get him looking straight, have the reward in your hand and ready before he gets on the plank (it takes too long to get it from the pocket to the throw). And, when he is looking forward on the plank (even if he is only halfway across it), throw the reward before he looks at you. You can also use a food bowl as a target to help him look ahead, or a manners minder 🙂
The one step sends are going well!
>>We also worked on one step sends and it looks like I might have been getting to close to the wings. >>
The distance was pretty small so you can add more distance between the tunnel and wing. That way you can stay nearer to the tunnel exit on the sends and he will move away from you.
One thing I noticed on the first couple of videos here was there was lots of barking – maybe a toy is better for him rather than food only? There was less barking when the toy came out as the reward. After rewarding, you can play a bit then trade the toy for a cookie between reps so he lets go of it and he doesn’t pummel you when you move it away.
Video 1 – good job here working out the connections he needed to see and staying in motion to the middle wing. At :22 you were disconnected going to the middle wing, so he came to you. Nice adjustment on he next rep to be more connected and get the commitment! When using the middle wing, the send is to the middle wing (not to the first wing after the tunnel) so you can send to it and do the FC sooner, without moving as close to it (which puts you in a better position to show the tunnel entry).
Video 2 – he did well on the left side sending! When you sent from your right side at :08, you had a small step but no arm and not a lot of connection, so he looked up at you. You can have more direct connection, looking directly at him, and you can also use your arm to give a swoosh forward (like bowling 🙂 )
Video 3 –
Definitely getting better with connection!! Yay! You can use your arm a little more (let it move forward with your leg as you send) and add more eye contact – that will make the send even clearer as the wings get further away.He was really good when you didn’t do the FC, followed your shoulders really well and it ended up being a tunnel threadle. Good boy! And the last rep looked lovely 🙂
Great job here!!!
Tracy
Good morning!
The first teeter clip looked great – she seems to be really loving her teeter! Because she watches you on the way down to reset, you should probably lift her off the high end (or help her down the board carefully, but she still drops a hind leg off in the 2nd video). The board will be moving soon so we don’t need any Belushi rolls LOL!! She did crack me up when she rolled over then hopped back on as if nothing happened (because, COOKIES! Lol! )
She did really well on the 2nd video too! A little impulse control was a good thing 🙂 She did well with the various positions you showed her – no problem at all. The only other position to show her is that you will keep walking by when she is at the end, and she needs to stay on the end and not try to do any leaping or dock diving off of it 🙂 So start it by moving sooooo sloowwwllly past the end of the board when she is at the top eating. Eventually we will add more speed where you are running past the board.
The plank confidence game looked great! She was definitely loving the speed!
>>I used 1 MM and one single-treat dispenser. It still worked!>>
This was so clever and worked great!! She was going super fast and looked very confident too.When the 2 reward devices were a little further from the plank, she was leaping a bit. The leaping went away when the devices were closer, but the leaping was a good insight into what she might do on the full speed dog walk. So, question: are you going to train a running dog walk? If so, we can get a mat target involved and teach her to target the mat between the 2 devices (without a plank at first). And when she is happy to target the mat, we can add it to this plank game to keep all the speed and not have the leaping 🙂
Looking at the wingin’ games: this is going really well! Her commitment is looking really strong. When you were sending to the wing on your left side, your connection and send timing was just about perfect (you were decelerating to set up the send, and looking at her as you sent her).
The only question there was at :39 when she didn’t commit: you sent with your left/dog-side leg hanging back. Compare to the other reps on your left side (like the next rep at :45) when you sent with the dog side leg and she had no questions. Yay!
The difference between those reps and the rep at :39 was that on all the good reps, you decelerated so you were able to take the big step with your left leg. On the :39 rep, you didn’t decel – you hit the brakes and sent, which caused your left leg to stay back. So…. Decel for sure! It worked perfectly.
She had a few questions when she was on your right side to send – there were at :04 (she didn’t send to the wing) and at :21, :36, :50 (little head checks). Those were places you can add more connection, looking at her more as you send. If she is behind you, keep looking at her as you send her past you. On those reps, you looked forward before she got past you, so she looked up at you.
The lotus ball job moment was GREAT! I love it!! She did well with the lazy game. She had some questions about that middle jump, possibly because she had to drive pretty far ahead of you. So, if she lands from the first jump on ether side and is looking ahead… you can throw the lotus ball over the 2nd jump. That will help her look for that jump even sooner, which will build up even more commitment 🙂
Check out the new handling games added yesterday, she is ready!!
Great job! Have fun!
Tracy
Hi! Nice session here!!!
The sends at the beginning looked great – he is happy to send and you didn’t have to work hard to get it to happen 🙂 We don’t want you to have to work that hard on course LOL!!
The first circle around the sequence with speed was harder for him! Yes, you can have a little more connection but I think he was having a bit of young-dog-motion-processing moment. What I mean by that is you were going fast! So he went fast 🙂 but oops, missed 2 of the jumps. On the next reps, you slowed yourself down a little (and had good connection) so he found the jumps.
Because he is fast and you will need to also run fast, you can gradually add more and more of your speed here – think of it as the opposite-lazy-game where you are gradually running faster. When adding more of your speed, though, reward each jump as you did at the very beginning of the lazy game adventures, so he gets very specific “thank you for taking the jump” info even when you are running fast 🙂
I just worked through this with my baby whippet (because whippets are all about the GO FAST and finding jumps is not always a thing LOL!!!), I have video somewhere that I can post. It took a session and a good night’s sleep for him, then the concept of finding jumps even when I was running fast locked in really nicely!
Great job here! I will find the video asap!
TracyGood morning!
The warped plank added a bit more challenge and he was great! It was more of a teeter confidence game, which seemed perfectly appropriate for his high level of confidence 🙂 Because it is warped, we can’t really elevate it more (I won’t want him to catch a foot under it by accident) but you can use a toy to add more excitement and more speed! Get him playing then running across the board, then throw a toy (or ball or frisbee) – the challenge for him will be to maintain him balance and footwork on a moving plank, when he is more aroused and moving faster 🙂
Great job here!
TracyGood morning!
>>Session 2 we went out with chunks of grilled chicken – total winner!! Big guns but this is a make or break skill.>>
Chicken for the win!! I have a rotisserie chicken in my fridge specifically to be used as dog treat – $5.99 for a huge amount of treats LOL!!! ($4.99 at Costco hahaha). And I agree – because food is an easy, fast, efficient way to train this skill, it is worthwhile to go to the super high value food because it is such an important skill.
More of that “drive ahead” posted yesterday in the NextLevel Pup games. A toy is great too, so maybe use a ball and trade for chicken?
>>I also remembered that this was exactly the issue I had with Skipper – she was not head checking she just didn’t carry out to the second jump. I spent weeks just on the one exercise with her but it paid off for sure.>>
Yes! I think the small dogs need twice as much forward focus – they run the same huge courses and have to take twice as many strides as the bigs. My goal with Pesto is to put sooooo much value on driving big lines that he starts to go off course because he is SO committed that your turn cues are late LOL!!!! That is no problem – as soon as that happens, we start to balance things to get the turns too. He is great with turns so we can put a lot of emphasis on huge lines for now.
Keep me posted!
TracyGood morning!
I am glad the mountain climbers are going so well!! She sounds really confident 🙂 And yes – something like squeeze cheese is the magic that gets the pups driving to the end without any concern about where we are of if the board moves LOL!!>>so she was driving down the board and then naturally re-setting herself for the next rep. Hope that’s okay?>>
It will depend on eventual end criteria… I’d say as soon as the board starts to move, we add end criteria (I am guessing yours will be a 4on position at the end of the board) so n the way down, the board will be moving – which means we will want her to stop.
I use a really simple way to get the 4on, in the form of a strip of duct tape at the end of the plank, with the food on it 🙂 I do some targeting to the duct tape strip on a plank, then it is really say to transfer to the teeter.
Have fun!
TracyHi!
>> sorry about that. It’s nearly impossible to not have some type of animal distraction at our ranch. Whether it’s a horse, cow, barn cat, or dog (sometimes her dad too). I do my best but sometimes they squeak in! Thankfully Kashia is able to work pretty well through all those distractions the majority of the time!>>
No worries, it is great! I love seeing the horses come watch 🙂 And a perfect distraction for dogs to train through.
>> I hadn’t really decided what was best to do with Kashia.
For the contacts, you can have different behavior for different contacts, like a running a-frame and a stopped teeter & dog walk. The key is going to be very clear criteria that she knows how to do – and I like to teach a LOT of criteria so that is something slides or deteriorates a little, then we still have a ton of great behavior.
Usually, a 2on-2off is best for that. It is the clearest criteria of all the options (2 front feet on the ground, 2 back feet on the obstacle), the dogs can do it fast (run to the end and hit position), it is easy to train and maintain. I train it with a target at the end where the dog does a head bob to the target with their feet on either side of it.
Here is an example of what it looks like in a training session:
>>Don’t speak too soon! She started to get this way with the Wingin’ It game. I practiced it twice between chores, 3 mins each time. The first session she was animated and excited. The second session she was willing to participate but much less animated in her gait through the tunnel>>
Ha! Actually, I don’t think she was bored. I think she was thinking REALLY hard!
On the first couple of reps where it was just sends to the wing, she was great. You were sending her with the opposite leg, but you were sending with the dogside leg when you added the tunnel (the dog side leg is clearer for the dogs). She was fast and happy on these because I think it was easy for her 🙂
When you added more distance – it was much harder because she had to pass you (and pass the cookies LOL!)
Your connection was good though, and you were patient so she did find the wing (and you didn’t add extra steps, it was all good!) Because this was really hard for her, you can throw the reward to the wing when she passes you to go to it, kind of like saying “yes, that is correct, you need to pass the reward in order to get the reward” 🙂 We will keep showing this to her and she will get faster and faster!
The teeter looked great! Cream cheese for the win! Even the cat looked excited LOL! And it was really great to see her driving up to the top of the board. The clip at the end with her sitting there waiting for you was SO FUNNY – she is VERY serious about it LOL!!!
So the next step is to figure out a way to move the teeter away from the wall, so she is running up the teeter like she would be on course… but with it still really stable and not moving (yet). Do you have a saw horse or something you can use to prop it up so it doesn’t move when she gets to the end of it?Great job here!
TracyHi!
>> I never thought the tunnel would come out at home in February.>>
For real! I think of that every time I see one of your outdoor videos, but I haven’t mentioned it because I didn’t want to jinx you and have you end up with a blizzard LOL!!
On the first video, I think that was an effortless 10 mile lazy send to the middle jump LOL!!! Terrific!! That will serve you really well on courses because you can send and leave to wherever you need to be. Super!!! And we can apply this to the new handling games coming tomorrow 🙂
Video 2 with the sending looked terrific too! You can start the FC on the wing sooner, to get her knowing she was going to wrap before she arrived. For example, the FC at 1:26 was great timing, you were fully finished with the FC before she even arrived at the wing. Perfect! On some of the others, you were later or facing the wing as she came around, so she was not as sure if she should come back around to you or stay out on the line. I think 1:31-1:34 had a little uncertainty from you about what you wanted to do, but then the rest looked super good.
3rd video – On the first rep, it was not as clear if you were doing a threadle rear on the middle wing? It looked like a FC on the middle wing was the intention, but you were a little too early at :07 with the FC because it was a full rotation kind of lie when you would want her to go back to the tunnel – you were fully rotated before she got to the first wing so she wasn’t sure if she should go to the middle wing.
At :12 it definitely looked like a threadle rear – your position was great! You can start the rotation sooner so she sees it before she arrives at the wing after the tunnel. Nice job with the turn away on the middle wing!
At :18 she didn’t commit, that was the only time on any of these videos she didn’t commit – it looked like you dropped the send arm a little early and not connected enough? At :26, the arm stayed up til she got to the wing and she nailed it.
Great job here!!! More games coming tomorrow!!
Tracy
Good morning! He did well with both games here!
One thing for both games is that we are going to really emphasize getting him to look forward and not at you. This will include some handling ideas (see below) but mainly placement of reinforcement. The reward placement needs to be out on the line (not from your hand) and thrown there before he looks back at you. Here are more ideas:
Looking at the lazy game, it was interesting that we got the freeze response here. Do I remember correctly that you have seen that elsewhere when he wasn’t sure? It is GREAT that we are seeing it here and can work him through it, because the goal is that we will need him to be able to make decisions out on course and not need 100% input from you all the time (that requires perfect handing which is so impossible LOL!!)
Things went best for the lazy game when you used a start cookie by tossing a cookie away from jump 1 for him to get moving away so you can be a little ahead of him and strolling to jump 1. You also had some behind-the-back starts which worked beautifully 🙂
The food rewards are perfect for this but if he loses value for food quickly…. do shorter sessions. Do 30 seconds then he has to take a break and Skipper can have a turn LOL!!! And with the food, use huge chunks and a ‘get it’ marker so he knows that it is ahead on the line. The sessions with food might be shorter but they will be incredibly effectiveand efficient because you can throw it so easily and so often 🙂
You can use a toy, but only if you throw it! Having it behind your back and rewarding from your hand is drawing him to you and draws his focus away from the line. Our main goal is to get him to look at the line more, so throw the toy if you use it. You can use balls, those are even easier to throw. Now, if you throw a toy/ball and he won’t bring it back – we can work on that by trading. But throwing toys for this game is less efficient than food unless you have a very efficient and fast retrieve.
Now, for the next session, you can spread the jumps out a bit more. Two important things to remember:
– I want you to reward jumps 1 and 2 just as much as jump 3… you were rewarding jump 3 a lot more but the overall goal is that he looks at and drives to all/any of the jumps. He was looking at you a lot for jump 2, so it needs more reinforcement to help get his eyes of you 🙂
– when rewarding, don’t wait for him to be at the jump when you throw it (because he is looking at you by that point. So, mark the moment he looks at the jump with your ‘get it’ marker then throw the reward – all before he even arrives at the jump and definitely before he looks back at you 🙂
And if he misses a jump? No worries! No need to stop or fix – you just keep moving. No rewards for the missed jump, of course, but you keep moving so you can reward the next jump.
You can also add the advanced level which is the lazy sends to the middle jump 🙂
One step sends are going well too!!! he has good commitment on the sends so you can move the wings further from the tunnel. As the sequences get bigger, you can move more so the wing you want is clearer to him (sometimes you were far away and there were two visible wings, so he wasn’t sure (like at 3:29).
Plan your verbals so you don’t call everything a tunnel like on the 1st rep and at 2:41 LOL!
One handling detail to think about: getting your dog-side leg to be a consistent part of the send cue. When he is on the left side, your left leg should be a main element of the send. Sometimes you did that, but also sometimes you sent with the opposite leg and he had questions. You can see that at 2:53 and 2:57 and 3:20 and 3:34 – it is dog side hand and opposite leg, so he is not always and he has a big question on the sends because the lower body is inconsistent. He will find the wing when it is close, but I think as we add distance the dog-side leg will be super critical. So before you handle him through the sequences, you can walk it without him and do a leg check to be sure you are sending with the dog sside leg 🙂 Or, do a lazy version of it and don’t use your hands at all on the sends, only legs 🙂 the wings can be nice and close if you on;y use your legs because that will be hard!
Great job here!
TracyGood morning! He is doing really well with the lazy game!!
>>. Most of these videos are a little longer because Zyp had to search for the cheese I was tossing when it blended in with the snow.>>
Food is a little easier to use for this game (because you can throw it on the line after any of the jumps then keep going) – to make it easier to find the food, you can use a ‘get it’ and throw the cookie ahead on his line before he gets to the jump, so he sees it landing on his line. This will also keep him looking forward on the line more and not glancing at you 🙂
You can use a toy for this game, but throw it out on the line (like you would with a treat) instead of handing it to him after the last jump. Handing it to him causes him to watch you and not the lines – we want the rewards to appear out on the lines so he is not watching you as much. If you throw it and he might not bring it back, we can work on that by trading the toy for a treat.
>>He missed the center jump a couple of times in this video and I paid him after the first miss but I didn’t pay him after the second and I don’t think he missed it after that. I was trying to determine if maybe I was turning a little to early and that is why he missed it but I also noticed I swing my arms a lot when I walk so I don’t know if that affects him.>>
Because it is a shaping game and not a handling game, you don’t have to worry too much about timing 🙂 Just be connected enough for him to know which side of you to be on 🙂 And as you stroll around the pinwheel, you can reward him for any jumps he takes. But if he misses a jump – no need to stop or fix… just keep going towards the next jump and no reward. So that is why food is so useful, because it is easy to reward multiple times in the same rep 🙂
On the next round, you can spread the jumps out even more, as well as check out the advanced level with the lazy sends.
Great job!
TracyGood morning! The plank confidence video looks great 😀
Moving mack and forth across the board looked easy for him and he was looking ahead and not at you – that’s exactly what we want.
You had some good angles on the cookie tosses to change up the angle if his approach to the board, so you can keep going with that and add even more angles by tossing the treats on a curve back towards you, working up to almost being behind you 🙂He was turning around really well too. His feet were stepping off but I think that was because it was so easy for him that he didn’t really perceive a “boundary” between the board and the grass. So with that in mind, for both of these games, you can put something under the plank to elevate it. It can be something like a block under each end and maybe the center too, so it is maybe 6 inches off the ground. That will definitely make it a little harder!
Great job here!
Tracy
