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Good morning!
Yes, I have 2 different verbals. The difference is how much of a turn is involved.
If the dog is entering on one wing and exiting towards the other wing (generally without a ton of collection) then I use the back verbal.
If the dog is entering on one wing and exiting very close to that wing – that is my dig dig verbal which requires a lot of collection. The 360s are all dig dig verbals and sometimes a really tight 180 or really tight FC right on the entry wing.
On the Straight Lines video, I am using the back back back verbal because the turn is not that tight and based on the line the dog takes, he is a little further over near the center of the bar (which is close enough to the other wing that I count it as a back verbal and not dig dig)
Because there are sooooo many variations on the backside approaches and exits, there is definitely a bit of grey area (and I refuse to have more than 2 verbals on backside pushes LOL!!). So I save dig dig dig for the really really tight ones where the dog has to collect a lot and is very close to the entry wing when he exits. And the rest are back back verbals (some of very obviously towards the other wing, some of more center of the bar).
Let me know if that helps!
TracyHi Tracy,
I answered my question by looking back in Max Pup #2. In the videos you mentioned you have BACK-BACK for slice and DIG-DIG for wrap. Now going to Max Pup #3 week #3 Straight Lines video. You used BACK-BACK for your backside queue. I think my question is what is considered a Backside Wrap or the DIG-DIG queue? Is it when the dog has to do 360° around the wing instead of a 180°? IOW BACK-BACK queue the dog would be changing direction and coming back toward you and DIG-DIG queue would be the dog continuing on the same direction after the jump?
Ken
Good morning! Nice work here!!!! Sounds like a fun weekend at the trial!!
The first video with the crosses is looking good!
>>I do believe all my directionals were incorrect>>
Left and right were correct at the beginning but then you switched them around later in the video.
>>I practiced them ahead of each rep>>
Did you practice them walking… or at a run? Practice walking won’t really help (state dependent memory and all of that nerdy stuff LOL!)… practicing them at a run (and video it, so you can check to see if you were right) is what locks the verbals in! And it is part of what I call ‘agility CrossFit’ – hauling obstacles then sprinting around LOL!!
Overall – her commitment is looking great and your exit line connection is spot on!! That is setting up clear info and also allows you to get nice decel into the sends to the wrap jump after the cross.
My only suggestion is that she needs more connection on the first jump after the tunnel, but you are looking forward to get to the BC or FC. That is causing a little question from her here and there, and sometimes the timing is late because you are looking at the jump and starting the cross when you arrive at it, rather than when she is landing from the previous jump and needing the turn info. And the earlier you can do the cross, the earlier you can show the decel into the wrap to get collection before takeoff.
To get more connection, you can use more lateral distance as you move up the line from the tunnel exit into the crosses, so you can be connected and not have to hustle as much 🙂
She is showing really strong commitment so she is still taking the lines even if the connection is not super clear (like at :12 when she had a question then went back out and found the jump!) or at :26 (bar down when you were looking ahead). She is familiar with this setup, so adding more connection will help support her commitment on different setups too.
On the 2nd video with the BCs to the tunnel – great exit line connection at the beginning with the warm up reps!
Sending to the pinwheel looked great and so did moving up the line to the next jump. Nice!!!!Because the tunnel is so long, you can run closer to it so you don’t get as far ahead and have to decelerate a lot to let her pass you for the send.
Getting the BC looked great on both sides! The sending and commitment is looking so strong, that you had a great send and plenty of time to get to the blind and how her the exit line connection. SUPER!!!!
>>If I don’t have a wobble board, should I make one for the next teeter game?>>
You can make a home-version of it even if it is a plank with a yoga mat attached to the top and a towel rolled up under it, or maybe someone local can let you borrow one? Someone here suggested going to a thrift store, because there is often super inexpensive fitness equipment there! No need to spend a gazillion dollars on a wobble board 🙂
Great job here!
TracyGood morning!
Great job with your continuous, smooth motion on these videos! She was great about hitting the position and holding position til released or rewarded, even with the motion.
Running was a little harder but I think that will get easier and easier with practice.>>The one time it was a bit funny she actually stopped to pee not sit. >>
That was hilarious LOL!!!!!
For the next sessions, 2 things to add:
– play this with her on your right side as well, so she is equally strong on both sides. These were all dog on left, so the next session can be dog on right. And if she is less experienced on that side, move very slowly so you can set up a lot of success.
– on both sides, try this without a hand cue. You were lifting your dog side hand and she might have been cuing off of that. Try it with just verbals 🙂 And without the hand cue, you might have to dial back your speed so she can process the verbal over the motion.
Great job here!
TracyGood morning!
It looks like my reply from yesterday morning got eaten in cyberspace somewhere. Sorry!! Here is it again 🙂
Video 1: strategically, you don’t need to be as close to the FC jump to get the FC going. You can be a little more laterally away from the jump after the tunnel, but you can start the FC cues as soon as she is approaching or jumping the jump after the tunnel. What happened here was that when she landed, you continued to drive to the FC jump (and past it) so the FC started when she was taking off for the FC jump.
That delayed the deceleration into the send to the wrap so she was wide at :06. The ending line was great!On the 2nd video:
Seeing the tree as obstacle will tell you if your cues are timely or not 🙂At :22, she was landed from the jump after the tunnel and you were on a good line and starting the FC – yay! That way it was finished before she took off so she found the line nicely. And because you were so timely on the FC, you were also able to show the decel on the send into the wrap on the next jump and she was lovely with her collection and turn!
On the 3rd video, your FC started when she was halfway between the 2 jumps – so it was not quite as strong as the previous video on that side but definitely earlier than the first video (on your other side) so she as still able to get the turn (and not the off course tree LOL)
And great job getting the decel into the wrap here too! YAY!!So looking back to the other video – if you can start the FC on that side no later than when she is always between the jumps, then I think you will get a good turn and have plenty of time to show her the decel for the wrap, to get a nice wrap too!
Great job here!
TracyGood morning!
He is loving his teeter!!! Because he is driving up it as soon as you let go of him, you can add sending him to a wing wrap before it so that you can get ahead a little 🙂
The next thing to add is having the reward already placed at the end, and you slowly walk past the end while he eats it (then hurry back to help him off). That is the beginning of you being able to drive past the teeter as he is running up it (and he stays at the end).The handling games are going really well -his focus on the Iines is looking really good and it is fun to see him starting to open up and go FAST!!!!
Lazy 1 and 1a – it took him a couple of seconds at the beginning of the first video to lock into the game but then he totally remembered and drove his lines really well! He was especially strong on your right side on the first video and the 2nd video, with added speed. Super!!
Nice work with your markers to help him see the rewards on the line! He wants to watch the cookies in your hand (especially when he is on your left side) so you can hold the treats in the opposite hand for now, which should help him look forward more consistently when he is on your left and not at your hand.
Pinwheels: nice mechanics and connection!
He had small questions on the sends on our right on the first pinwheel video but interestingly, not on your left side!He was stronger on the 2nd video on your left and was still strong on your right – it took him a couple of reps to ‘see’ the FC because he was defaulting to staying on his line. But then he locked into the FC really well too! It will get easier to cue it earlier as he build up his commitment too – you can decelerate into the turn to cue the collection, but keep moving forward as you slow down to support his commitment.
Speed loop – he needed you a little closer to the line on the fist rep but then you made a nice adjustment to add that, so he got the loop with your added motion. The left side was stronger here too! Super nice!
On the tunnel send after the loop (like at the end at 1:01) – give him a really big conenction & eye contact, and try not to let your arm point ahead to the tunnel. When you look ahead & point ahead, it turns your shoulders towards the other end of the tunnel which is where he was heading. Keeping the big connection and the big eye contact will keep your shoulders pointing to the correct tunnel entry, which will support his line as he figures it out.
Great job here!! He is definitely ready to see the crosses on this setup (and the NextLevel Pup games if you want to show different challenges too!) Let me know what you think!
Tracy
Good morning!
This session went well! Nice!!!
>>You can’t fake him out like the Border collies if you are not totally prepared.>>
Yes, being ready is definitely needed so that he doesn’t start to wonder what is happening. BCs will react differently by running around or barking or getting herdy, and he will probably either find something else to do or get concerned about the lack of clarity. You were ready for him here and he was very engaged!
Moving the wing in closer to get the behavior started at the beginning was definitely the right thing to do so you could build value for the sending and get the verbals attached. Over time, you can add distance but remember that as a very small dog, he is going to have to take a lot more strides to get to the wing… so adding distance will need to happen more incrementally over the course of multiple sessions.
Your connection was here, and the one-step send was clear too! Yay! Two ideas for you:
– Be sure that you plan your verbal before you send him so you don’t get them backwards 🙂
– Because he is so small, he is jumping over the leg of the wing as he wraps them. Turn the wings so they are on the angle they would be if a bar was there, so he doesn’t have to go over a the leg.
Throwing the toy at the end helped keep it interesting as a reinforcement and it was very fun to see him bringing it back!!! Super!!!
Nice work 🙂
Tracy
Good morning!
This is a great session to have on video because we will be able to compare what she was reading here to when she reads RCs correctly in sequence (she as being perfect here).>>Saved this for last because i hate rear crosses and completely overthink them.>>
Rear crosses often require us to slow down to set them up – and slowing down is NOT comfortable!!! Ick! However, keep this in mind: with current course trends requiring big distance and layering, the rear cross tool is actually a GREAT way to flip the dog away onto a line so you can then get waaaaay ahead again (which is comfortable and fun :)) and also to set up big layering lines. So you will be very happy with the tool because it will set you up to do the things you really like, such as running hard and getting ahead for blinds, etc.
>>I should just pretend I’m doing a wrap with her and she’ll read cross since those went so well too LOL!>>
HA!!! Love it! Do you remember what was causing the accidental rear crosses? It was too much pressure and motion in towards the center of the bar: that is the RC cue. So with that in mind:
>>I don’t know how to fix it when I’m doing it. >>
Rear crosses on jumps like this line, when you are a little ahead, require a set-drive-cross rhythm. So you set the RC up by decelerating on the previous line or jump, and turning to face the rear cross line. That rear cross line is to the center of the RC bar, until she passes you (and she will, she knows how to drive ahead) and then you complete the crossing behind her line.
The driving to the center of the bar is what was missing here when you were sequencing it. You set the beginning of the turn really well such as at :15 and :25 with decel and tucking into the line next to the previous jump but the you were doing a bit of pull-then-flip by turning to the FC wrap wing then trying to push in for the RC (:16, :34,:43, 1:06 and 1:15). So she correctly read it as a FC wrap.
You drove more towards the center of the bar at :26 but turned your feet too soon so she read it correctly as a backside.
So you will want to keep moving to the center of the bar until she is past you and locked onto the jump – then the rotation seals the deal. The rotation itself is not the cue, it is the driving to the center of the bar (as you saw when you did it when you wanted the FC wraps).
When you broke it down at the beginning and at :47 and also at :57 – note how your line was to the center of the bar, and she got the RCs 🙂
So definitely work the RC, just add in running to the center of the bar and don’t turn your feet til she is almost taking off and you see her turning the correct direction. You can put a line on the ground for yourself to be able to see the line to the center of the RC jump after you decel and set the line.
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>Last one today, I promise! >>
No worries! You are not posting too much at all!!!
This was also great – he was focusing forward to the jump the entire time. The only suggestion I have on this session is that when you go to the higher height (last rep) you will need to be more careful about the toy throw timing or he will tick the bar like he did here (or knock it). So you can throw it super early (like as soon as he exit the tunnel) or have it already placed way out ahead on the line.
Since he did so well here, you can add 3 things (not all at once, add them individually for a rep or two and if he is fine, you can start to put them all together):
– more running from you. He is really fast so we can see how added hander hustle affects his processing
– more distance laterally. How far away can he find that jump? Big loud jump or go verbal that you repeat will help.
– set him up to drive ahead of you by running right to the tunnel with him, then running up the line so as he exits, you are either parallel to him or even a little behind him.
Great job here!!!
Tracy
Hi!
>>Poor Chippy. I need a lot more practice with this, but for his sake I’ll do it with no or super low bars .>>
I think having some height to the bar will actually give you better feedback from him than no bars or super low bars! He was happy with this session and gave you great info too!
On the first couple of FCs at :07 and :16, you were moving through the FCs at the same smooth pace… so even if the rotation was on time, he didn’t know it was coming so the turns were a little wide.
The tip-off that a tight rotation is coming comes from the decel. You added the decel at :23 and the turn was immediately tighter.
Then you had great decel and did it sooner at :31: SPOT ON!!! Nice! That was the right combo of deceleration, connection and timing so he was able to produce a gorgeous collection and turn.
Also note ow you had some real hustle to get into the collection & decel! I think that aded motion will help with the bars he had down at :10, :11, and :19. On those reps, you were saying the left or right directional but not moving a lot and facing straight over the jump. That is a bit of a ‘conflicting indicator’ meaning body says on thing, verbal says a different thing – so he dropped the bar trying to figure it out.
When you had more motion like on the last sequence (and clear connection) – no questions on the bars 🙂
Great job!
TracyGood morning! This looked great!! He was looking forward to the line the whole time. Your connection was spot on, plus your verbals were timely. Yay!!! He was not distracted by the added motion at all. Super!!!! You rewarded enough here – the goal was to string more obstacles together and he also finds it rewarding to keep going 🙂
Onwards to the next games!Tracy
Good morning!
>>In the second clip I was slightly better, but not good.>>
Don’t be so hard on yourself! These went well!!! This is a particularly challenging type of FC because it is soooo much turning and the handler position is hard to get to.
On the first video: you can trust her understanding of the line at 3 (jump after the tunnel) so you don’t have to go near it at all You can send to the tunnel then basically go directly to the FC position, staying connected but not moving close to the #3 jump at all. That will put you closer to the FC line and then when she lands from 3 you can be up the line and starting the FC on the next stride on this distance.
That will allow you to finish it sooner and set up the decel into the wrap. She was wide on the wrap exit here because the FC was a little late and that didn’t give you enough time to decel into the wrap.2nd video – good reward on the first rep!!! On the 2nd rep, you had the FC happening sooner AND you got the decel/send started almost immediately (plus the wrap verbal). Lovely! This was my favorite one!
3rd video – the FC was not quite as timely as the previous video (she was almost taking off, compared to the previous rep which was a stride earlier) but the decel/send was still really clear and timely (she was seeing it as she landed from the FC) so the wrap collection was lovely!
I think the perfect combo on this sequence might end up being the blind cross followed by the decel, but practicing both will tell you what she reads better and what is easier to pull off at high speed 🙂
Great job!
TracyGood morning! This went GREAT!!! It is actually pretty challenging for young dogs but Lu was fantastic!
The first rep made her brain hurt for a moment – she ran past the jump as she was processing the info and the set up. But then she was great – she drove straight to that jump the you were close, far, ahead, parallel, behind, moving, not moving… it didn’t matter. YAY!!!!!Since she did so well with it, my only suggestion is about reward placement: she was ticking the bar sometimes and knocked it once, probably because of the timing of the toy throw happening as she was gathering for takeoff. Since she is so speedy, perfect timing of the toy throw is a little hard! So you can either throw the toy wicked early, like as soon as she exits the tunnel, or have it placed out on the line in advance. That way it is visible to her sooner as she works out the jumping mechanics for now. The bar ticking is just a reflection of her processing the new challenges and it will go away after a session or two 🙂
Great job!
Tracy
