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Hi! There are some send-and-go games as part of the advanced level lazy games, but also yes – the week 2 games and the live seminar sequences too!
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Argh, so frustrating to lose all of the videos!! Sorry to hear it 🙁
Super nice work on the videos!
Lokoing at the handling videos:
He has a little trouble finding jump one with you a little lateral. So to teach that, before you release – look him in the eye and point your finger to his nose, then release and move forward. And reward him for finding the jump 🙂 That way you won’t need to be between the uprights and can start adding more lateral distance.The GO looked great! Keep going with the placed toys 🙂 to really pump up the go lines.
Great job continuing when you were early on the wrap – one step too early on the rotation but yes, you can see how well he turns!!! So rather than think about it as taking one extra step, think of it as waiting for him to cue you to rotate. He will cue you when he is committed – and because he is a baby dog, that will be when he lifts his front feet off the ground for the wrap. So keep declerating and facing forward til you see the front feet liftoff, then rotate and go the new direction. As he gets more experienced, you will be able to do the rotation earlier but the front feet liftoff should be perfect for now.
It was hard to have a placed toy right to him on the start line, maybe do a MM instead there, probably easier to ignore. And then on that go line, you can click the MM nice and early to keep him driving ahead
The teeter bagin looked great – feel free to sit in a chair wit a cold beverage after a long day of work so he gets the workout and you can relax LOL!! Or, you can sit in front of theteeter and have him back up into 2o2o and then click the MM 🙂
Great job with these! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Front cross wraps on the wings looked great! You can add your wraps verbals and also tuck the toy into your waistband or pocket so you have your hands free – switching hands takes a lot of time when you will want to be giving the next cue and he is too quick to lose any time 🙂
Like with the 2nd video, at the beginning you were doing regular blinds which made it hard to get the tunnel entry at the beginning. But then check out 1:57 and after that – those were the spins! YAY! You were early at 1:57 so he didn’t take the wing, but the spin was correct. Then on the next rep you did another good spin but he seemed hot and tired so didn’t do it – no worries, your handling looked good so keep doing those spins when he is fresh, in the next session.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
This session had some of the same questions as the other session. On this video, remember that he only has to go around each wing once – I think you were trying to figure out which side to be on so ended up cuing him to do double wraps on each wing. No worries! For this game, send him around the wing then follow behind him so you are tracking right behind his tail, sending from your right and picking him up on your left (front cross). You will want to keep moving as he goes forward, so he learns the countermotion and so you don’t get too far behind 🙂
Let me know if that makes sense!
THi!
Nice commitment to the wing ! You doing regular blinds here instead of spins, which is why getting the tunnel entry was a little harder:
He was correct on the first rep to go back to the tunnel exit after the blind because you were on that line. Good boy!
He got to the correct entry on the other reps because you moved more to that line then rear crossed the tunnel entry. I think you will have an easier time if you do it as a spin: as he is approaching the wing, you start to rotate towards him like a front cross. Then when he arrives at the wing, you do a blind cross – so yes, he will start and end on your right side, but you will rotate towards him for the spin, instead of away from him like the blind here.Nice work! Great job with his commitment and your connection here too!
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His commitment is looking really good! I think there was some confusion on the circle wraps on this one – that is why he was looking at you a lot. When he exits the tunnel on your right, you are going to send him around the first wing to his left and you are going to be on outside of the wings here (closer to the wall with the fan next to it). As he goes around that first wing to his left, you will move forward up the line and pick him up on your left to send him t othe middle wing – at that point, you will move to the other side of the wings (fron cross) to pick him up on your right side to send to the 3rd wing as a front cross. That way he only wraps each wing one time and you are moving forward the whole time, right behind him.
Another way to think of it with the FCs is to have yourself always follow behind his line, rather than staying on the other side of the wing or hanging back.His commitment skills and your connection look great, so I am sure this will work smoothly 🙂
TracyHi!
This is great – she had no questions about wrapping the wing and was pretty perfect 🙂 with her commitment as you did the FCs. Super!! You can start to add wings into replace barrels in any game where we have been using the barrels.>>By the way, should I just wait for this as an offering from JJ, and then just use the hand and short step to the wing,
At this stage, you can cue it. Yes, an arm and leg step will be ideal and also, you can add the verbal before, using the same way as you would for hte minny pinny: hold her collar, start saying the wrap verbal 3 or 4 times, then let go and step to the wing.
>>or should I use the right and left cues here?>>
You should use the wrap verbals along with the handling here – all the cues! LOL!
Great job!
TracyLooking at the reverse retrieve:
She is doing well – very fun! Yes, she had a quick race track on some of the reps but it is a very exciting game 🙂 Sometimes you can tell her to go for a run with the toy! And other times, you can immediately have another toy for her to grab for coming to you so she gets into the mode of tugging with you, then you can add in tugging on the toy she brings to you. The cookie helps get her to come right back, and at the every end you can see she came right back AND tugged. Super!Tracy
Hi! Lots of good work here!
Backside slices – going really well! Nice job with the line of motion, verbal, and toy placement, and using the cookie toss to have her start behind you. This skill is basically just something to revisit here and there, moving gradually across the bump so she gets more and more distance. At some point, you can swap ut the barrel for a wing, and you can also start moving faster 🙂
The left/right minny pinny looks great! Nice job with the verbals and reward placement. Looking at all 3 videos:
Loved the audience on the other side of the glass door! So cute and so polite!
She is doing really well committing to the barrels so you can swap them out for 3 wings.
She was slipping a bit on the deck, so she dialed back her speed to trotting. Time to move this to the grass so she can dig into the bending and also so you can add running out of it 🙂
>> I wasn’t sure about the angle of the jumps.>>
I think they will be best at slightly less than the full 45 degrees, but you won’t know til she is on grass or turf – she will trot them on the deck, so you will see the bouncing on the grass or turf.
To help really solidify the verbals, start with her at your side and your hand on her collar. Say the verbal 3 or 4 times and then let her go – that way she hears the verbal separately and before the motion, which should attach it to the behavior even better.
Looking at the stay video:
She is doing a great job with her stay but yes – she is reading subtle cues from you as the release (such as the hand moving for the catch, or when you look at her more clearly when releasing forward).
So to get it on verbal only:
>> am not sure how to do the “catch” without her seeing my movement which she wants to use as her release. I did decide that the verbal needed to come first followed by tossing the treat.>>
I agree – say the catch verbal, count to 1 in your head, then toss the treat. That should help the verbal come before the movement. And a hilarious side benefit is that when you say catch, she will start to look up in the air for the cookie (makes me laugh when the dogs do this!).
For the release forward – stay connected the whole way through, ideally, so there is no connection change or reconnection paired with the release. And if you do look ahead then look back at her – you can praise or remind her to stay, but don’t release for another second or two or three, so she doesn’t pair the re-connection with the release.
Great job here!
Tracy
Hi!
The hints are in a separate document because many folks don’t want to look at the hints 🙂 It is important to plan your handling! And I liked your handling choices a lot!
The main bit of feedback on the first course for your handling is to leave for your next line when he tells you by turning his head to the line, rather than waiting for landing of the jump. It is not about leaving faster… it is about leaving sooner and trusting his commitment. More specifics on that below!
>> The first run was a bit of a mess; I planned the BC from 3 to 4 but had to RC instead but kept going. Got the first side of 7 and swung around to repeat. Screwed up 16 because I couldn’t get the correct turn out of the tunnel. Fixed that and was good after that except skipping 21.>>
I was confused because the furst run was really good! I am guessing you put the 1st run 2nd on the video LOL!
So looking at that first run versus the 2nd run – it was a matter of when to move to the next spot so you could be close to whatever the next challenge was.
run 1 – RC 3-4 looked good but did put you further behind for the backside at 7 (you can get it from a bit behind with more connection to him and more motion towards the entry wing). But in this case, leaving the 1-2 line as soon as he looks at 2 will get you closer to the 3-4 line to do the blind.
The threadle wrap at 1:02 just needed a bit more hand-turn cues from you, you indicated the jump before he had turned his head to it so he stayed on the slice line.
I think you had the 14 jump the same as the 3 jump here, which makes the exit of the 15 tunnel much harder for he left turn. To get it as the 3 jump, you would either have to send to 3 and get past the tunnel entry before he enters. Or, you can stay closer to the entry side, execute the backside as a whiskey/rear cross, and either blind the exit before he enters or keep him on your left to threadle-slice the 16 jump.
Having 14 as the 12/21/4 jump is easier because you will have a massive head start to get past the tunnel and get the left turn exit.
The only other place to leave sooner is while he is weaving: he has great weaves so you can be well past the entry to the #20 tunnel before he exits, which will set up an easy line to 21 and 22.
The 2nd run was so nice!!!
>>Still missed the #7 backside and #16 backside but the rest was ok.>>
Maybe my screen is too small but it looks like you got them at :11 and :28?
So this is where you can think about leaving sooner. Yes, stay connected, but you can watch his head: where he is looking will be a direct cue for you to leave (or hold position because he is not committed yet). The spots you can leave sooner, based on where he is looking, are:
-Blind 3-4 – when he looks at the entry line to 3, head to the blind
-flip 7-8 = when he turns his head to the tunnel, move to the next spot at 9.
-At 9, the threadle wrap – you can move away as soon as he turns his head to the bar.
-Same timing for the threadle wrap at 13 – you can proceed to your next spot as soon as he turns his head, which will get you through the 14-15 line sooner.
-Weaves – as soon as he is in the entry, you can basically proceed to meet him at the exit of the 320 tunnel.All of this has connection and verbals and physical cues of course, but leaving sooner will make it easier to cue the next line, all around the course.
On the 2nd course – I don’t think there was a lot of trouble here, just a spot or two to smooth out and leave sooner.
On the opening line – the lead out position between the uprights of 2 doesn’t really indicate the turn to 3 so he was wide there as you pushed him to it (jumps straight over 2 like at 1:18 then is wide over 3 at 1:19). So you can be closer to the with the lead out position or moving into a BC or FC, or leave a lot sooner to show the line (as soon as he lands from 1 and looks at 2, which will be immediate, you can be moving to 3).
The 4-5-6-7-8-9 section looked good! Those lines are a bit wonky like we often see on course, with little lead changes that need to be helped, and I think it went well! The weave entry is a little harder when the dog slices the threadle at 9, but the slice line is so much faster that it is worthwhile to do the harder entry.
As he is weaving, stay in motion – you might need to move towards the end of the poles for a step or two, then start moving the other way, just to have a steady movement there. When you were stationary and suddenly accelerated when he exited, he considered taking the 21 tunnel after 11 on the first rep (and was a little wide on the 2nd run).
>> First time through, we missed the #14 backside >>
Yes – the timing of your verbal cue on both runs was spot on! The first set of physical cues at :32 did not support the verbal so he took front. You were much clearer at 1:38!
>>Although, I think I caused a bit of my own problems by putting 15 on the wrong side.>>
Yes, that changed the shape of the line indeed! One thing to consider, no matter which side 15 is on, is to slice 14 the other way (entering nearer to the tunnel and exiting away from the course, so he is jumping to his right over the bar). Then if 15 is the backside, you can do another slice to get 16. Or if 15 is the front side, you can get a very simple line to 16, either on the inside or around the outside wing as a push – I think the outside wing to the push sets up a better line 17-18.
The entry to the 14 backside was easy/obvious the way you pushed him – but one thing to add to your course analysis is looking at the exit line first and then seeing if the threadle is a better setup for the line than pushing to the other side. He is already curling towards you to his left on the line from 13, so the threadle is very doable there!
The rest of it looked really strong!!
Great job on these! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Hooray for getting in the saddle! Yay!
>>Here is Bob’s Lazy drill. Gotta start somewhere, right?>>
Yes, and the lazy game is the best place to start. His commitment looked great, both on the smaller pieces and the last rep where you put it all together. So fast and soooo goood!!!!
>>I was using treats that were far too small and I see I was really late,>>
I didn’t think you were late, but yes, he didn’t really see the treats. The lazy game is valuable to revisit here and there, so you can definitely use big chunks of mozzarella (I mean, he is Italian, right?!?!) and also use a marker that indicates to look ahead for the reward. I use “get it” (not fancy but very effective LOL!) I don’t think you were using a marker so he was not sure if he should look for a treat (and where) or keep going.
You don’t need to do this again, we can move on – but definitely start using the get it marker for the thrown reinforcement in the other games too.
The sending drill is going well! Commitment looks great, and you’ve got your verbals going. Super!
Quick question about the verbals – is ‘cap’ your wrap-to-the-right cue? If so, it is correct at :29 when he comes all the way around the wing. When you add the middle wing (:41), you will want to use your soft-right cue (I use ‘right’) because he is not wrapping the first wing, he is doing the L shaped turn on those.
As you build up more speed and start the other sequences, two suggestions:
– rotate sooner on all of the FCs – his commitment is very strong, so you can send and as he is passing you, start to rotate to move the other way. This will get him used to countermotion, get you further ahead, and get even tighter turns! Ideally as he arrives at the wing for a FC, you are already rotated and moving the other way.
– use a tug toy for sequences and not food. Yes, you can trade the tug for a cookie but for the main reinforcement, use a toy. You might be thinking “but he is going to get too high” – nope, he won’t it, will be all good! He will be more stimulated, yes, with the tug but a couple of reasons why it will work out better in the long run:
– he likes it better than food, so you will actually get better turns and lines and better drive to you because the reward is better 🙂
– it will teach him skills in an arousal state that is closer to what he will be like at a trial, which also means that he is more likely to be able to do the skills at a trial! There is so much science behind this that it is mind-blowing but basically, he needs to work in a higher arousal state in training to set up better success in trialing.
– it allows us to see if he has any questions about these skills when he is that higher arousal state. I would MUCH rather answer those questions now, in the foundation stages, before frustration sets in – rather than in adulthood when he starts to trial.
So, onwards to the other games in both the sequences and the wingin’ it games 🙂 And get that toy out!
Great job 🙂
TracyHi! Nice session here!
>>. I think I am taking a step back to try to help her commit, which I’m guessing needs to be eliminated.>>
Yes – on the circle wraps, you were stepping back and that was making it harder to get ahead of her and get the countermotion. You didn’t show any of the reps where she didn’t commit, but also yes – dropping the toy works like a charm!
So, ideally you would cue her to go around the wing for the circle wrap as you walk forward the whole time – and as your feet are moving forward, your eyes and hand both shift to the landing slit (other side of hte wing :)) to help commitment. Doing this at a walk can really jump start it, and definitely keep dropping the toy in behind you as you move forward. That will get her committing nicely to the wing without you needing to step back on the circle wraps. The front cross wrap commitment looks great!
Nice work 🙂
TracyHi!
Nice job working this out – at the beginning, it took a minute to set her up on the correct angle – I think you were blocking the wing a little at first, and she was widening out to see more info.
Looking at :53 and 1:07, you clearly showed the wing and she got it nicely!
The countermotion after that is looking great! Her commitment is very strong. Only 1 blooper, at 1:11, when you looked at her cute face and not at the landing spot. You adjusted that on all the other reps (shifted connection to the landing spot).
The last rep in particular was lovely because you were rotated SO EARLY so you were facing her and sending her backwards to the wing – TONS of countermotion and she nailed it! the last wrap had a little bit of a fancy dance move but that is probably because it is hard to do the countermotion multiple times in a row.
You can definitely add in the race tracks to this now!!
Great job 🙂
TracyGood morning!
>. I filmed 3 and 4 too after a break. But, she was tired. I’ll post those next.>>
You can post them all together, no need to wait!
Looking at pop out 1 – good timing starting the FC wrap to the left on the first rep! You can start your decel even sooner, before she even takes off for the previous jump – not for her, she is reading it really well, but so you can be rotated fully sooner and running the other direction sooner.
Her start position on rep 1 was great, she was able to take powerful strides to start the sequences. She was too close to jump 1 on rep 2, so had to sort out strides and leads an dthat contributed to bar 2 coming down (the BC can start sooner too, so it is finished sooner with the connection visible before she takes off).
But even with that, the wrap to the right was faster! Yay! It is a better line 3-4-5, which contributes to it being faster. Remember to turn her on the 4-5-6 line with a name call and shoulder turn so she can land facing 6 and not facing the backside line.
The 3rd rep had a better approach to jump 1 but it was overall slower than rep 2 there (yes, I was timing it :)) because she was turning over 1 rather than going straight. So the straight line entry and start spot you used on rep 1 was best for her.
>>I’m still not getting the threadle wrap or tandem turn away turns. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong, but she’s locked on the jump and not looking at me or my hands reliably. It’s a similar skill for me so I’m sure I’m doing something wrong.>>
Her questions are about how your shoulders are turning. If your shoulders are facing the line to the front side and you are moving that way, those cues override hands and verbals. So to get the tandems and threadle wraps more consistently, turn your shoulders away from her (towards the tunnel, turn her on the flat… then indicate the jump).
On the pop out 1 RC wrap moments (tandem turn) – the first rep didn’t have the shoulder turn to pull her to the line – you were turning and indicating the jump all in one move here so it looked like a wrap cue. At :54, you had more shoulder turn then you got on the RC line and it looked a lot clearer to her!
Pop out 2 –
Very nice backside slice line at 1:11!! You can open up your shoulders more and look at the landing spot as you move to the tunnel, to help her with the slice jumping there.
Nice job NOT falling! And getting the toy thrown too!Looking at the threadle wraps:
this is where it is even more important to decelerate and turn your shoulders away from the front of the jump (towards the tunnel in this setup) and as she is coming towards you, use your hands to turn her on the flat (and decelerate) – this is where watching her head becomes super important: don’t indicate the jump or move forward at all until you see her do 2 things: come to the backside and look to turn away to the bar.The reps were she went to the front of the jump had moments where your shoulders were facing the line to the front.
The last rep had the shoulder pull (a little late, but clear enough that she responded) and she got it! It can come sooner: you can be decelerating and turning your shoulders before she takes off for the previous jump, but it was a really clear visual of how well she will respond to that shoulder turn as part of the cue!
She got the threadle wrap at 1:32 mainly because you were standing still facing her – which will work when you can do that (like a lap turn) but it was very cool to see her read it in motion with the shoulder movement on the last rep, without you having to face her.
And after all of that handler focus – Nice GO on the tunnel exit at the end!!! She responded beautifully to that!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
