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Roast beef is good stuff! If that was not a powerful motivator, then definitely yes – lower the teeter all the way down and start there 🙂 We have new teeter games coming today that can help too!
Tracy
Hi!
This went really well!
This was much easier when she ate the cookie fast LOL!! It was harder on the reps where she took longer to find the cookie, so you can start from a stay instead of a cookie toss, or you can have the MM out there to send her too, instead of a cookie toss.
Overall, though, she read the line really well and stayed on her parallel path to get the backside wing – very nice! You were able to get further away from then entry wing pretty easily – you will need a longer bump 🙂 or maybe put two bumps together to create more length so you can be further away.There was only one blooper, where you were moving diagonally towards the center of the bump (perhaps trying to get to a better position) so she came to the front side.
So keep adding motion and being further away on the parallel path, to keep building up the independence. Great job!!
TracyHi Team Prytania!!! Great sessions here!
>>On the sends, susan and I wanted to toss the reward to encourage timeliness of the reward. When doing something new for Annalise, I think it helps her focus better on her handling task when I/we remove the element of tossing the reward too. I know I am always happy at a seminar for the instructor to take my toy away and toss it for me lol!!! I have enough circulating in my brain usuall>>
Oh yes, that was great! It is hard enough to handle a baby dog and then add in throwing the reward? It is enough for brains to explode LOL!! So having a whole team help train is really great.
And yes, I agree that Prytania is definitely starting to get this agility game sorted out: she was fast and focused and her commitment is looking great!!
Annalise, you were terrific with your connection and you made excellent adjustments to your timing! Here are some details:
Looking at the wraps video:
Great job Annalise! Your connection looked great and that is the most important part! Tmin gis tricky when running a young dog, so you can pretend she is experienced and run harder 🙂 You can keep driving around the line with more acceleration (especially since you don’t have to worry about the reward throws :)) and that way the sending will be easier (because she will be moing faster too) and when you decelerate to start the wrap cues, it will be really obvious to her. No need to be careful and help her with all the jumps – it is totally fine to challenge her more with more speed from you 🙂On the wraps: yes – a little too much connection which made you too early at :42. Very nice job at 1:01!!! Prytania’s commitment is looking really strong, so you can totally push her harder by running faster 🙂
The big blinds are going really well! On the first two reps, you were figuring out where to be and what timing you needed then BOOM! Nailed it on rep 3. SUPER! You don’t need to send to jump 4 on the blinds (the pinwheel jump), you can just keep moving and tell her to jump, so you can get to the blind nice and early.
You didn’t send to 4 on the 4th rep – she found it beautifully thanks to your motion and connection – and that made the blind REALLY strong there!
At :48, she didn’t take 5 – that was a baby dog moment because you were stepping out of it before she was totally sure about taking it. Since she is so young, you can stay at the jump til you see her lift her front feet to jump – then you can move to the next line.
That is what you did at 1:01 and especially at 1:10 and it looked great!When you started the FCs reps – Prytania had rocket fuel in her belly there and was going a lot faster, so you had to hustle – that was great because both of you were flying! You can definitely add more that hustle because it great to have her go that fast. The FCs looked really good but I think the blinds are MUCH easier here when she is moving fast like that!
As with the blind cross reps on jump 5: be stationary there til you see her lift her feet to takeoff. You moved away just before that at 1:37 and 1:50, so she didn’t take the jump. So hold your position til you see takeoff there, then you can run to the next spot. It will get easier to time these when Prytania is more experienced.
Great job here – and watch your mailbox on Thursday, something should be arriving for you!
Tracy
Hi!
He is doing great with the teeter game!!! Very nice! And yes, he does like the squeeze cheese 🙂Two suggestions:
When he arrives at the top, stay with him at the top longer so he doesn’t rush to turn around to get back down (I don’t want him to slip or scramble).When adding speed like the wing before it, stay which him or be alongside him til he is very very comfortable. He slowed down when you were staying back, so for now we want to maintain the speed and have you alongside or a little ahead.
>>sing this, is there a piece or game you use to help them manage a weight shift back so they don’t fly off due to momentum with running straigh up?
The teeter eventually gets more and more tip, and the reward is always always always always on the target plate using this teeter helper device. So between the very gradual adding of tip and the placement of reward, I have never had a dog want to fly off the teeter with this game. The weight shift gets built in very easily. And the other games like the bang game help develop the end position, which also reduces flyoffs 🙂
Great job here!
TracyHi!
I think there were 2 questions from him on these one: the send to the pinwheel jump, and the BC to the tunnel. We can totally smooth those out!!First up, pinwheel jump, he had some questions and bars.
I think part of his question about the bar on the pinwheel jump was that you were cuing a left/right collection but your motion/position cued extension. Yes, was turning to his left or right but it is not the 90 degree collection associated with the left/right turn, so he was trying to work out what it was. You probably don’t need the left/right verbal, I think a jump verbal will work perfectly as you send and leave for the BC.So about the BC – this is a good spot to suggest that if something goes wrong, you look at the video before the next rep. That will tell you what happened and what to adjust. We agility people are so bad at that LOL!!!! We look at the video later on, but looking at it before the next rep will make a huge difference.
The reason I suggest it is that on the BC at :31, you sent beautifully to the pinwheel jump, and started the blind when he lifted his feet for the pinwheel jump. So it was really early, and he was correct to not take the jump and drive directly to you. Good boy! And your position was really good – you were just early and he never committed to jump 5.
But rather than change the timing and keep the good position, you changed the position and that is when things went a bit sideways:
Better timing on the BC at :44 but you were now on the line to the wrong side of he tunnel so he ticked the bar because you were on his line after the BC. At :54, you were even more on his line so he almost ran you down. On the other side, you got further away from the line so he found the other side of the tunnel (1:04) or took the bar (1:13).
So definitely keep the good position of heading towards the correct tunnel entry, and don’t start the blind til you see him land from 4 and look at 5. That should make it smooth!
Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
On these, we can really get into the details of timing the cues. He was a bit wide and having some questions because the blinds were late (:19, :31, :44) – you were starting them as he was lifting off for the pinwheel jump and ideally the blind would be finished by then.
So a couple of ideas to move up the timing:
definitely use more lateral distance away from jump 3, so you can get into the gap between 4 and 5 sooner. And watch himas he lands from 3 and as you are giving the verbal for 4. If he lands and looks at 4? That is your cue to start the blind 🙂 It doesn’t even fully matter where you are when you start the blind, as lng as you are hustling to the 4-5 gap, but the timing if being that early is really key.He is showing great commitment so I figure this will be super easy to do with the earlier timing! He will cue you to start the blind by looking at the pinwheel jump – and you will be in great position because you will be using a lot more lateral distance (closer to 5) to support 3 and 4 🙂
The ending line (5-6-7-8) looked fabulous!
Let me know how it goes!
TracyHi!
>.When I watch it I feel like I’m not showing him enough fast-forward, slow-forward, rotate. Should I run in deeper so I have more room to show him a bigger difference in the smaller space?>>
You can definitely move in closer to the tunnel and to the pinwheel so you can be more accelerated on the speed circle lines, and that way you can make the decel more obvious when you need it. I thought your transition and wrap at :11 was really good. You can start it sooner (feet up over the pinwheel jump) to practice for what the timing will be when the bars start to come up)
And be sure to stay accelerated when you don’t need a turn 🙂 The line at :23 – :26 was a ‘handler who cried wolf’ moment of decel without a real turn on the pimwheel. He collected then looked at you, and we don’t want him ignoring collection, so stay accelerated there.
The wrapat :30 was good too, but you were were running sideways a bit there – you can be more forward facing and decel as he is taking off for the pinwheel jump to make it super clean and smooth.
Nice work! Let me know how he does when you go in closer to the lines to show more acceleration!!
Tracy
Hi!
This is looking really strong!! The bars at 10 have been no problem at all – has she seen 12″ bars anywhere yet, like on one jump exercises? You can totally bring the bars to 12 here and see how it goes. She is about 20 months old and do I remember correctly that 16″ will probably be her jump height?The sequence worked looked really good!
The connection on the exit of 5 to get 6 is hard! You had the one tiny disconnect at the very beginning so she ended up on the other side of you, but you were perfect on the rest!One thing I notice here is that she is already sooo quick to respond to the blind cross! That is great – it means she is beginning to respond when she sees the shoulders starting to change and she does not need to see the finished cross to make the change of sides. Very cool!!! Normally we only see that quickness is adult, experienced dogs.
Thinking about the timing on the blinds: the blinds at :43 and 1:18 and 1:36 were starting when she one stride from takeoff – that was a tiny bit late (and will definitely be late when the bars are full height) so you had to work harder to get the send to 5 (less time to connect as she was jumping 4 and prepare for the send).
To be earlier, you can use more lateral distance away from jumps 3 and 4 – use your connection and verbals then trust her, she has great commitment! And when she lands from 3 and looks at 4 – you can be saying your verbal and also beginning the blind. That will get you finished with the blind nice and early so you can set up the send to 5 very easily.
Check out the lateral distance at 1:51 when you were doing the FC! That is great lateral distance that you can use for the blinds too – support her line to 4 but be running towards 5 for both the BC and the FC 🙂
On the FCs, you didn’t need to run as far forward to the pinwheel jump #4, you were getting past the wing and to the bar – she has strong commitment there so getting past the wing of 4 and near the bar ended up putting you on her line at 1:52 so she got the backside. You didn’t get the backside on the other reps (2:05, 2;27 3:03) but because you were working hard to get to the wing, you ended up starting the FC a little late so you were facing her as she was jumping 4. She slowed down to let you finish the cross.
Compare that to the FC at 2:44 where you did not go quite as close to the pinwheel jump, and that was your best rep! Yay! Because you didn’t move up the line as much, you started the FC sooner so your rotation was done before she took off . YAY!!! That made for a super smooth fast send to 5.
So like with the blinds – you can use your lateral distance and be moving to the gap between 4 and 5. When she lands from 3 and looks at 4 (with you connected and using our verbals), you can start the FC so the rotation is completely finished before she takes off.
Getting timing with young dogs is tricky, so you might need to experiment a little 🙂 But she is looking fabulous and you are doing a great job!
Tracy
Good morning!
Super nice session here! I love how she brings the toy directly back to you to play tug – what good girlie!!!!Her line commitment looks wonderful, and your connection looked great! She is moving really fast, so now it is time for more tunnel bags for sure!
>>(and I think I’m going to move them even further, because I don’t feel like I’m showing acceleration and deceleration clear enough. >>
You can totally move them out if you like! And you were showing the acceleration and deceleration, but we can move up the timing so give her the info sooner.
Looking at the two types of wraps you did here:
The wrap cues on the jump after the pinwheel at :14 and 1:33 (and 2:35 on the other side) were starting as she was lifting off for wrap jump, so she couldn’t adjust and make the turn til she landed. So, since she has great commitment to the pinwheel jump, you can move the timing up: as she is lifting off for the pinwheel jump, you can start to decelerate (while still moving forward, just slowing down as you do it) and start the verbal cue at the same time you start the deceleration. Then, to make sure she still commits, do the rotation when you see liftoff for the wrap jump.
That rotation timing might end up being a shade late, so you can move it up to starting the rotation as she is passing you but before liftoff for the wrap jump. But the decel is the main cue, so starting it as she is lifting for the pinwheel jump should make a big difference.
We can apply the same timing change to the wrap on the jump after the tunnel: At
:57 and 2:07, she was lifting off for jump after tunnel on the wrap as you started the wrap cues, so she made the turn after landing. So we can move the timing up there too: keep accelerating til you see her exiting the tunnel, then decelerate as you keep moving forward (and start your wrap verbals). Then do the rotation when you see liftoff for the wrap jump. If you get to the jump before she is past you, then you can stay there (standing still) til she is lifting off.Wrap timing is tricky without young dogs – if she is wide, you were late decelerating 🙂 If she does not take the wrap jump, you were probabyly either too early, or you did the decel too abruptly or rotated at the same time as you decelerated. It gets easier as the dogs get more experienced 🙂
>>Also, as a note, I need to go from NC to PA for a funeral and to check in with my mom (she’s under hospice care right now). Synnie is going with me, but I’m not sure if we will find a place to work in the next week. I’m hoping I can rent some time at the facility I used to go to when I lived in PA, but now sure yet.>>
Have a safe trip to PA!!! I am glad Synnie is going with you 🙂 she will provide a lot of support. Where in PA wll you be? I have a lot of agility peeps there who can help find places to train. And no worries if you don’t get to train – there is a lot of make up time built in, so you won’t end up being behind.
Great job here!
TracyHi! I am hearing crazy stories about the heat in NoLa!!! Stay cool!!!
>>Working more rear end awareness with Audubon and was playing around with travel board and positions. (he is having trouble staying on plank as I turn him around).>>
Take your time – he is still growing and learning how to control his body. He is a little younger than my baby whippet, and I am not doing a lot yet with Ramen for the same reason. All legs, not a ton of physical maturity or coordination yet at 11 months old. Time is on our side!
>>Do you have strong feelings/opinions on teeter end criteria?
Yes, I have very strong opinions (this surprises no one hahaha)
>> However, I know that some are advocating, even for large dogs, a 4 on.
>>It seems easier to teach clear criteria for 2o,2o but is 4 on better for the dog physically?>>When I ask people why they think thr 4on is better, they don’t have a clear answer (because it is not better, imo). There is a weird thing floating around that 2o2o is dangerous for dogs – not on the teeter, not the way we teach it with a great weight shift. I don’t love 2o2o on the aframe, but it is great for the teeter!!!
It is great for weight shift, which is what makes is very safe. Also, the end criteria is clearer so it is faster to teach, easier to maintain, and the teeter behavior is faster (because the dogs go to the end more which drops the board faster). The 4on is far less clear for the dog, so the position ends up getting higher and higher on the board, which gets frustrating for human and canine to maintain and results in a slower teeter performance.
Because 2o2o is clearer for the dog and relatively easy to train, we train it less – which means less bang on the dog’s body because they do far fewer reps on the teeter.
So next time someone tells you the 4on is better, ask them specifically WHY lol!!!!
TracyHi!
yes, if she scared herself, you can totally lower it all the way down and play the super low version of this game.A couple of other ideas:
When you play it, use the highest value reinforcement you have available. Several of my dogs started off scared, so I would use their entire meal (a bowl of raw food, ewwwww!) or a fistful of vienna sausages (also ewwwwwww!) or an absolute favorite toy like a jolly ball.
And, especially since we are using giant doses of mega value reinforcement: stick to doing only one rep. Both Hot Sauce and Export were scared of the teeter when they were adolescents, so I would go out to the teeter, do a single rep for an entire meal or for a favorite toy… then be done for the day. It is amazing how quickly they learned to love the teeter LOL!
Let me know how it goes!
TracyGood morning!
>>Would it be possible to put the course measurements on the pop outs? It isn’t exactly the same as the big courses as best I can tell. But, I’m coarse builder challenged.>>
Sure! I am getting the next pack ready and will put the course measurements in.
>>I’m still struggling with the RC wrap tandem turn. I liked the throw back a lot better here!>>
We can definitely clarify it!
Here is what makes then different (which might help clarify what is needed to cue them):
On the tandem turns, your motion and feet are are moving forward to the jump bar, generally center of the bar for rear crosses. And your outside arm (or both arms) will come into play in terms of getting her attention and cuing the turn.
On the very first rep at :05 – too much foot rotation so she thought it as a FC wrap.
On the next reps at :14 and :30, you definitely had better feet to the bar and clear upper body cues.
The rep at :44 was really nice and you were super patient, looking at her head to make sure she got the turn before moving away. So nice!!!!!On throwbacks, your motion is basically stopped and your feet are fully rotated to the new line. The hand closer to the dog (left hand in this case, which is also the same hand the dog was on for the previous obstacle) grabs the dog’s attention then points to landing spot (connection shifts to landing spot as the hand does).
Really nice at :57 and 1:12 with the throwbacks. You are totally nailing it!!!
The only thing I would suggest to add to this sequence is a little bit of a turn cue on 3 before the tunnel to tighten it up. A verbal cue might be all she needs – you were saying tunnel but she was not really turned to see which tunnel you meant 🙂
You gave a bit of a physical turn cue (like a small reverse flow pivot) after landing at 1:10 but then you were almost late for the throwback at 1:12. So a verbal cue as she is on the way o 3 (like a wrap cue) would probably be all she needs there.Sequence 3 –
>> She does sometimes drop bars on backsides in general.
You might be referring to jump 2 on this sequence. Backside jumping is incredibly hard for the dog to organize in general, both slices and wraps! Do you remember the zig zags we did in MaxPup? Those can go into the backyard training rotation because they directly work on backside slice jumping.
And for backside serps, you can use more serp handling to help cue the lead changes so she gets more than just motion as info:
On the 2nd sequence here, she had a bar on 2 at :25 on backside and again at :38. It was a bit of a subtle backside serp for her there – your running line was good but your shoulders were pointing forward to 3. You can try opening up your shoulders to face the bar as you run past, to help support the jumping line for the backside serps.
Look at her collecting nicely at 1:23 and 1:37 and 1:53 and 2:16 on jump 3! SUPER! You can decel even sooner there (as she exits the wrap wing of 2) to give her earlier info. You were tending to start your decel and wrap cues as she was about a stride from takeoff, which is a little late – doing it at exit of previous turn will make it easier for her to get organized. The decel is the main cue to start earlier.
Because the decel and the rotation are starting a bit together, she was considering the rear cross a bit on these: watch her in slow motion at 1:52 – 1:54 for example: as you decelerated and started to rotate, she collected and also looked at you (more connection was probably what she was looking for) and you can see her do a little zig zag to ask if it is was left turn or a right turn.
One thing she is doing brilliantly here – collecting quickly as soon as she sees decel, even before the rotation. Remember when she didn’t know how to do that? You have really helped her out with that!!! I am sending you a cyber high 5!!
The 4-5-6-7 line was a Goldilocks moment of trying to figure out what was “just right”:
The first rep was too much – I think you said “GO!” at 1:27 after jump 4… so she went. She went right past 5. LOL!
The second rep was not quite enough, in terms of timing the turn at 4: at 1:40 you cued the turn starting when she was in the air so she stumbled after landing (which made you hesitate for a heartbeat, understandably, so you got 5 but no 6 pr 7).
The next rep at 1:56 was just right for the turn at 4! And so was the follwing rep at 2:18. As she exited 3, you gave a much earlier decel and shoulder turn so she added a little collection for 4 and landed facing 5. Perfect!
She dropped 5 and 6 there after 1:58 – it might have been fatigue as you mentioned, but it also might have been the sudden explosion of motion and big verbals as she was jumping 5 – young dogs drop bars when we do that, especially on sends. So as she exits 4, you can accelerate smoothly so she is not as surprised 🙂 That is what you did on the very last rep and she was perfect from start to finish 🙂
Great job here! Fingers crossed the weather stays civilized so you can keep getting to the park and don’t have to be out in the field at sunrise like I was today LOL!!!
Tracy
We will be talking about it more with the new stuff coming on Thursday and next week – but basically we have to all chill out and maintain the cue, until the dog cues us to move on with their head turn. Stay tuned for more!
Tracy
