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>>I’m a little concerned about the start and if I do a little sling in it’s going to make her question the tunnel. Should I try wrapping a wing before 1?
This is a great idea! You can set up a wing before 1 to do that. And in the other sequences where a random wing might be in the way, you can start with a wrap on 1, putting 1 facing away from the tunnel so she wraps, you do a FC, then you carry on.
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Sorry for the delay, it has been major travel insanity in the last 24 hours!
>>I think the theme of camp for us this year is not course trends but rather, “Stop the barking,” lol.
It is partially that – and more about maintaining flow (quiet flow or noisy flow, but maintaining flow LOL!)
>>When something goes wrong, she very quickly starts barking, spinning, and jumping around in my path. In the example of the weaves, I would not have physically been able to run towards the next jump without tripping on her.
This will be great for thinking on your feet! You can keep running forward if possible, or if not – turn and run the other direction towards an obstacle (so you won’t trip on her). I call that “free styling” LOL!! But it keeps everyone moving and stops the spinning.
It is a bit of a conundrum but the answer will be: keep moving even if it has nothing to do with the course 🙂
For example: My puppy is 100% herding breeds and wants to be very barky and herdy. This is similar to Nox! And he wants to bark/herd the whippet…. But the whippet thinks it is annoying so he just runs. Doesn’t matter which direction – he just runs. So the baby puppy does not have any herding behavior on the other dogs because the ‘target’ (whippet) is constantly moving fast in a direction away from where he wants to herd… so the puppy just runs happily (and quietly). So – you are the whippet in this scenario. Keep going somewhere, doesn’t really matter where 🙂
On the video:
SUPER job on the opening of ALL the runs! You were the whippet (in motion the whole time) and she was working and not frustrated or barking. You were a little late on the BC 2-3 on the 2nd rep at :58 so the bar came down but the rest of the reps were gorgeous.This super job includes includes the blooper on the backside at :27 and 1:38 and 2:21 – but you didn’t bat and eyelash and kept going so she kept going (yes, it was a physical cue that overrode the verbal cue there, as you noted in the video).
To get the backside, keep your left arm back and big eye contact as you run towards the center of the bar. Keep saying the verbal to her directly as you mov e forward on a parallel path to the backside approach. And when you see her look at the backside entry wing – that is your cue to move to 11. You were curling your shoulders away towards the front and looking forward, so she took the front.
The handling blooper there was just that you needed to run directly to the bar – you ran parallel to it, even when you were trying to resend her to it. You did a much nicer running line there on the last run and she got it! On the 11 jump after it – she does’t commit well when you decel AND lift your arm. So, decel but keep moving forward until you see her feet lift up for 11 then you can move to 12.
>>We got stuck at the jump before the teeter a couple of times (:30 is the first time). This is an example of where I couldn’t keep going (teeter entry would have been a problem), but I didn’t know what to do. >>
Turn and run to the tunnel or the jump behind you – do a FC on the flat as if that was TOTALLY the plan and then take off the other way 🙂
The rear cross was lovely there!!!! Worked like a charm. You ran directly to the bar and that really helped. On the 2nd rep, you got a little ahead and turned your shoulders so she had a question there (2:28). The successful rear crosses had a lot more acceleration. I am seeing a pattern: if you decel AND put your arm up, she pulls off. So it can be one or the other, but not both 🙂
You did a bit of a reset there that you can also be useful in those situations: you can turn in a complete 360 (like shadow handling) and then step to the jump: that can be a useful stay-in-flow moment too!
Then after the teeter, you ran straight towards the jump even though you said the tunnel, so she took the jump (that was a left response :)). You froze for a heartbeat… then you were the whippet and just took off running 🙂 Perfect! She barked but got right back to work.
On the second run, you handled in a big circle to a random jump and rewarded – also perfect 🙂
Nice job getting the early shoulder turn to the tunnel at 2:39! She had a question on the 2nd to last jump but you did a great job of staying in motion. In that spot on the very last run, you had acceleration and a lot of connection and she nailed it.
>>My major win for these reps: I didn’t stop when she hit the front side of a jump (3 times, lol, oops…) and missed the tunnel after the teeter thanks to my forward drive!!>>
Correct! I thought the whole session was GREAT!!! Let me know what you think of the ideas about how to stay in motion in the blooper moments 🙂 Lovely job!
TracyHi!
Nice job with your mechanics here – she is really getting the idea to zip in and out for the threadle!!>>t’s easier for me to get the next treat while she’s eating the reward. Hope that’s ok.>>
I think it worked here at the beginning but as she got faster and faster, she had to wait a longer time (had a little bark at the end too!) So for the next session, try wearing a treat pouch or have treats in a pocket, so that you can get the treat out while she is at the MM, and without having to leave your position.
>>Again we’re both better with her turning right.
>>On the 2nd video where she is turning left, I am not sure that she could see your arm “outside” the wing of the jump (you were a bit more towards the center of the bar ) so be sure she can see your arm out past the wing.
>>So, I’m consciously trying to chatter less, be clear with Ready at the beginning, then praise with the reward.
>>You were great!!
Time to add a threadle verbal now too on the angles you did here – after she eats the cookie and lifts her head, add your threadle slice verbal ( I use “close close close” and a lot of people use “in in in”
>>And I meant to edit out the F bomb, but forgot. Oops. >>
I thought you left it in on purpose for the chuckle! LOL!!! F bombs are an important part of puppy training LOL!!
Great job on these. Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Backside slices – looking good too! Your mechanics are really getting sooooo good! The transition from the toy to the cookie toss is great: cookie on the nose, show it to her, toss it, start moving: super clear and she was super successful. And she went back and forth between food and toys like a pro!!!The good side looked really good, and so did the “not good” side LOL! I guess now you have two good sides. Note how on each side you were able to get further away from the barrel and she still was able to stay on her path to the backside. SUPER!!!
>>The left turn does seem to be harder for her to turn away from me. Perhaps I should jackpot her on that side?>>
No need for a jackpot – that might end up confusing her when the other side doesn’t get the jackpot. Just keep doing what you are doing and the sides will continue to balance.
>>At what point do you put a word to these?
We add it now 🙂
What is your backside slice verbal? Time to add it while you are moving up the line – so the next session can be the exact same as you had here, but with you quietly saying the backside verbal.
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
I think you are definitely accomplishing the ‘low and slow’ and movements there to get the head turns, on both sides. Super!!! Really nice session!
>>Don’t think we’re ready to put a word to it yet, or just do the one turn? Still her right turn and my deliver with left hand is our better side.>>
Her turns and your mechanics are getting much more balanced on both sides! Yay!!! No need to move to the next steps yet, we want this to get maybe one or two more sessions just like this.
>>Also, I’ve started to use a clicker for other things now, and she gets it…very clear for her, seems better than the Yip. >>
I agree – the clicker is working beautifully here!!
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
>>I will start moving on the plank work. Should I continue to use food as the reward?>>
Yes – keep using food for now. Motion will be more stimulating, so motion plus toy might end up being too stimulating while she is processing the mechanics of staying on the board.
>That cat wants to help all the time and sort of complicates things. LOL>Ha! So funny!!!!
The one step sends to the wing on your right (to her left) looked really good!) And she did well on the sends after the tunnel too.
She was a bit wide on the tunnel exits, but that was because she needed more handling info:
You can call her name before she goes into the tunnel at :12 and :29 for example to get a tighter turn to the wing after the exitCaper is getting really good at line commitment – so if you point the ‘wrong’ way for too long, she is going to stay on the line you are pointing towards. That is what happened at :43 – you were maybe one step late in the FC and you were very quiet, so you earned 3 bonus points with the off course tunnel. Compare that to :48 and you were MUCH earlier and her turn was gorgeous.
>>I sent her back into the tunnel and then didn’t reward her – once things happen fast I don’t do what I plan on doing and wish I had thrown the toy. >>
My general rule of thumb for this is:
Off course? Throw the reward 🙂 It is generally us being late with our handling. Dogs are very honest about that!
>>On that sequence do I just use my motion and position to cue her to continue to the second wing and then should I use my wrap verbal as she heads towards the second wing?>>
Yes, use motion and position. And on the first wing you can use a soft turn verbals like ‘right’ then a wrap verbal on the FC wing.
> I couldn’t get any words out.>>
This is 100000% relatable! You know how we always talk about the pups processing things? Well, we humans process things too and sometimes don’t get the full behavior out LOL! Your brain was very busy there, making connection and showing the physical cues to your baby dog. Running baby dogs is HARD because we basically have to help them each step of the way. So you brain got most of it done but couldn’t get the words out. No worries, the words will get easier when you are used to handling her at that speed. And that no-word-moment should give you insight into the challenges the pups have trying to process all the things 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
The links worked – thanks!!!
Synergy is adorable and so smart!! I am so glad you are working her because she is so fun to watch 🙂
The lazy game videos looked great – I love how you were really calm and “lazy” in your movement… but excited and happy with your voice 🙂The only thing to add to this game is a ‘get it’ marker so as she is approaching a jump, you can say ‘get it’ (or whatever your marker for a thrown reward is) and toss the treat ahead. That will help her keep looking forward and not at you.
She is ready for more distance here, and more lazy handling LOL! So definitely spread the jumps out (keeping the bars super low) so you can move have more distance and motion. And keep the connection really minimal, to challenge her to find the lines and pump up the commitment.
Great job!! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
He did well with plank here – you can elevate it a little to add a line more challenge and the angles.
About the hot dogs- were you also throwing hotdogs in the lazy game? Cheese might be more visible. But definitely use a marker like ‘get it’ so he knows to look ahead for the reward.
What was starting to happen towards the end was that he was needing to watch you to track the throw and see where it would be delivered, which was causing him to look at you more – which caused him to hop off the board early. So saying ‘get it’ and throwing straight will get him looking ahead off the plank. Try that to get him looking straight again before adding the angles.
Nice work here!
TracyGood morning!
He did well with the lazy game here! The food is the best thing to use, because you can’t be nearly as lazy with the toy LOL!! And also using food allows you to keep moving when he finds it so you can then reward the next jump too, with you way ahead.
He did well finding the jumps even with the big distance here, and ignoring the toy on the ground, What a good boy! And with the big distance, there is indeed a collection on the middle jump – which he added without being asking. Hooray!
This will sound crazy – do one more session of this with even less connection 🙂 Practically no connection, just a slight head turn so he knows which she to be on, sorta. We want these youngsters to not have to rely on our perfect connection a lot LOL!! He he struggles with very minimal connection, you can bring the jumps in closer.
>>I wasn’t sure if I should give it a go and try less connection?>>
Ha! Yes! I typed the paragraph above before reading your note. Great minds think alike LOL!
One other suggestion: Take the jangly collar off in training, it is a big auditory thing to process. He is squarely in adolescence now, so we want to try to minimize outside things his teen-age brain needs to process 🙂
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
Hooray for being done with the school year!!!!! Onwards to a great summer 🙂
>>I am trying to watch her head more for commitment, but it’s hard when she’s so fast and we’re both running! I’m still leaving just a bit too early in places; I’m sure that will be the case for a while until I am able to read her cues for me to leave better.>>
I think this entire session was far more connected. Yay! Just a little spot or two we can emphasize it more (which is true for all of us on all courses LOL!) but overall, really nice!!!!!
And a main thing – let’s stop the rehearsal of the barking at you in the in-between moments. That is the same behavior as you get when she is unsure in other places, so we don’t want her to practice it elsewhere (practice makes perfect LOL!) And we aren’t going to tell her she is wrong, because that will just add more frustration…so just keep going and going and going 🙂 And if you can’t keep going, throw a reward then reset her quickly so she is not barking at you as you move to the next spot.
Super nice opening both times!!!!
About the weave pop out at :13 – yes probably thinking it was weird to have a rando with a camera out there. As strange as it sounds.. just keep going. Note what happened but starting over from the weaves just gets the rehearsal of barking and jumping around in front of you, which is the behavior we don’t want on the agility course. It is a similar behavior to the ones you get in front of a jump or tunnel. Continuing on won’t damage her weave skills, because this was not a weave skill issue – it was a “WTH is out there” issue 🙂 She got the weaves the 2nd time, yes, but you also got the barking rehearsal.
Nice line 7-8-9! Great driving to the tunnel!
Good support to 10 at :30 and good decel – now do the FC and leave before she takes off so she can collect and so you can stay further ahead. You were earlier at 1:57 and she was collecting, but you did the FC over the bar so the bar came down. Watch her head in that situation: when she is looking at the jump and collecting, you can be rotating and going the other way towards 11.
11-12-13 went well! To get the turn on 14 to see 15, try to decel sooner and use a left or her name, don’t say tunnel til she is pointing the correct direction. I don’t think it was a blind tunnel entry question as much of a wide turn on 14 then a bit of a disconnection on the tunnel cue:
At :39 and :50, to get a clearer tunnel entry line there, keep your arm back and down so she can get into the tunnel. You had your arm back and great connection at :56 and 1:13 and 2:19, she found it really well!
When she had questions, your arm came forward which rotated your shoulders to the center curve of the tunnel (not the entry) and she was confused and got barking. In that case, you can turn and run to a jump as if it was correct to skip the tunnel and try again – the main goal is to keep moving (or reward) so there is very limited (or zero) rehearsal of the barking in front of you. Barking while working? Sure! Barking in front of you are you walk place to place? We want to stop that from happening by staying in motion or, if that is not possible, rewarding and praising before re-starting.And when she gets it, if you are going to be too far away from the next line, you can reward her so that she gets reinforcement for finding the tunnel and so you then can get a smoother ending line. The ending line looked lovely when you were just a little ahead to show it to her!!! I don’t think it was really wide – it was a fast line for her and if we tighten it up too much, it will be slow and that will piss her off 🙂
Great job here – let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>>I’m in glasses due to contact lens issues so that is definitely different and makes my peripheral vision even more challenging.>>
Yes, glasses totally make it different in terms of peripheral vision! I train in sunglasses a lot because I have trouble seeing in the sun – sunglasses and hats are important for trialing outdoors, but definitely cut down on peripheral vision.
Very cool replacing the tunnel with a cone! Clever!!!!
>>Is there something different I can do to help her?>>
I read this before watching the video and was expecting to see a lot of fails… but the plan you executed to help her here totally worked! Break it down, then build it back up. SUPER!!! And the balance reps of the ‘right’ and the ‘stay-on-the-line’ were great because doing 15 threadles in a row would just have put her on autopilot 🙂
Breaking it down to 2 jumps and releasing on the threadle verbal really really helped her! The first release on the “look look” really got her processing – she was like “wait, that is different” LOL! So things were going really well with the 2 jump element.
On the 3 jumps she did well too especially with al of the ‘either or’ reps.
One thing you can do to help her in a context with more speed is to take the threadle section and walk through it rather than run, so she can more easily process the upper body cues and verbals without motion muddying the waters.
Another thing I like to do with threadle training is angle the jump a little, so the threadle side is a little more obvious than the backside – that allows you to add your motion back in while she is still successful.
But besides that, you are totally on the right track of shaping the behavior in smaller bits then building it up.
>>I trained the threadle mostly with my arm back, but I’m wondering if a cross arm might be useful here?>>
You can try it and see what Sprite thinks! The dog-side arm can also be more exaggerated by swinging it back like you are opening a door 🙂 Serps arms are generally stationary and frozen in place, but threadle arms are generally swung back to open up the shoulders (as long as you don’t turn your feet). I use both the one arm and cross arm with my dogs, depending on how hard the context is, to help them out.
Great job here!
TracyGood morning!
The head turns went much better!
Yes, on the 2nd rep you clicked too soon (you mentioned it in the video) but the other reps all looked really good and your mechanics were very clear! He was successful and it looks like he was really figuring this out. Be sure to keep you hand motion super precise so that he still gets the cue. The last 2 reps were not quite as crisp of a head turn because your hand cue was not quite as crisp as the earlier reps.Threadle Strike A Pose
The trick to this without a stay is a really clean start, throwing the treat far enough away that you can be stationary and showing the cue when he looks up, and so he has enough time to process the threadle cue. The first couple of reps were a little too close in terms of the treat throw but then you tossed it a lot further and that really helped!At the beginning you were trying for a sit but he couldn’t do it… it looks like he is getting really excited about the jumps and uprights (yay!) so you can work on sit stays separately from the other skills (just rewarding stays) and doing it near the jumps and tunnels 🙂 That can help the stay happen when you are doing other games too.
>>I feel at this point I need to prioritize his Stay training to avoid having to manage all that, particularly when taking it outside a treat toss in the grass won’t work well.>>
Ha! I typed the above paragraph about the stay then went back to read your post – great minds think alike 🙂 You were smart to not pressure the stay in this game and work on it separately.
Perch work – He definitely does his perch! Yay! And he is moving his hind end back and forth, so he is definitely associating the perch with hind end work. With the pole here, he is tending to “hop” his back feet together over the pole more than moving each leg separately.
On the next session, do a couple of clicks/treats without the pole, then watch the video: is he stepping with each leg individually, or hopping them together?If he is stepping with each leg, great! Add the pole back and move very slowly so he can use his feet to step instead of hop.
If is he hopping on the flat, let’s keep this without the pole for now, and try the ‘return to center’ concept where you toss the treat to the angles behind you so he gets on and pivots back to center. That should help get the feet moving individually.
Backside slice: This is going very well and he worked for the toy the whole time. Super yay!!! And had a really good stay!!! On the release, be sure to be moving slowly up the line for a few steps before the release, so the release and your motion do not come at the same time (we don’t want him to think the motion is the release). Keep adding the distance to this one with you getting gradually further and further across the bar!
Yes, you were a tiny bit angled but it was not all that obvious. It was really a strong session.
I guess the weirdness gauntlet was not all that weird. Even when Dad was wearing the thing on his head, Reacher was trying to figure out how to play. Yay! They were both confident little dudes 🙂 (the dogs, not your husband hahaha) Fun!
>>Ronin being loose for one of the runs was unintentional. I realized that some of this was not exactly in line with your instruction, but it happened.>>
The weirdness gauntlet is basically a prep for strange things that will randomly happen, so it was all good! And having Ronin see Reacher have no reaction to the weird thing probably help Ronin to have no reaction to it too 🙂 Great job on these! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>I also ran it with Lizzie & compared to Hoke. Much easier to stay connected with her because I feel like she needs it & Hoke doesn’t?>>
That is an interesting insight! She needs it, yes, and so does Hoke – so you can try to handle them exactly the same way with intense connection and see how it goes.
The pop out went well! Yes, even more connection will help too. Your running lines and verbals were good on this one, so you can now add watching his head the entire time 🙂 You were looking slightly ahead of him and I don’t think that will really help him see the connection as well. At the very end, you had great connection to the last jump – it looked like you were looking directly and him, and he picked up the line perfectly!
The jumpers course went well too! On the first run, you did an awesome jump of staying in motion – that is sooooo important on these crazy courses 🙂
The opening looked good – nice blind 3-4 on both runs!! On the 7-8-9 line at :18, you can tell him tunnel before he takes off for 8 – you used a jump verbal then the tunnel verbal when he landed, which set up a bit of a zig zag line. You can eliminate the jump verbal and just use your tunnel verbal to smooth it out. You were definitely earlier on the tunnel verbal on the 2nd run at :52 and it was already smoother.
At 1- (:21) you started the turns cues while he was in the air over 10, so he was in extension and dropped the bar., and then couldn’t quite see 11 while he was looking to get back on the line and dropped that one too. You were late at :55 too there but stationary so the bars stayed up. Ideally, you would decelerate into a FC there started when he exits the tunnel, so he can collect and you can be moving the whole time.
On the 12-13-14 line, you got a LOT further ahead at 1:01 for the 13-14 line and that worked like a charm! Nice!You helped him get into the tunnel at 1:03 by rotating towards him, but that put you behind for the turn at 16 and he turned the other direction… you can try it without the help and see if he can find the tunnel entry independently so you can move to the ending line there.
On. The last rep when you stained in motion better, he already was much more independent so I bet he will read it really well!And great connection on the very last rep to show him the line to the last jump. Yay!
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! This went really well!
The first part with the cat was so funny: Caper didn’t know if she should do the plank or stalk the cat LOL!!!The post-cat section looked great! She seemed very confident, so you can add speed in the fork if you walking back and forth, then jogging back and forth 🙂
>>Several times she didn’t go all the way to the end but that might be due to my timing or aim on the cookie toss.>
No worries! I think it was the cookie toss and you beyond stationary.
Great job!
Tracy
