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Hi! Thanks for posting this!
I think she was saying two things here:
1 – countermotion is HARD!!!
2 – the dropped toy at the wing when you are too far ahead and also stopped is confusing and not really a reinforcement. This is good to know!!!
First, about the countermotion – yes, it is hard 🙂 And that is why you had longer victory laps than usual (and less retrieving). Dogs often do this when something is really hard, and they need a moment to clear their head 🙂 No worries!!!
Also, when you realized it was not going well and moved to the next part of the sequence: that was a good dog training moment! It got her moving again and more success, so she was able to go back to the game and finish strong. Yay!
So about that dropped toy at the wing: she definitely likes action and movement when the toy is involved, which is why she kept offering the tunnel or wrapping the other way when she was unsure about the first wing.
And at the end, when you were not that far ahead and dropped the toy closer to you, she grabbed it happily.
So to build up this behavior, you can do a couple of things:
– don’t get quite as far ahead and drop the toy closer to you, or half drop it and half drag it so she gets more value because there is motion. You can tie 2 toys together for a really long toy that is easy to grab 🙂– use a marker before you drop it, so she understands she has permission to get it. The marker was happening after she was already confused, and I think you were saying ‘get it’ which generally implies the reward is out ahead (so she might have been unsure of where to look). Since you are throwing it back to her, you can use a ‘catch’ marker so it makes more sense to her.
– to build more distance so you can get further ahead, try using food! Maybe a giant piece of cheese so it is visible, or a lotus ball – I bet she would have an easy time grabbing that off the ground 🙂
>>Not sure if we should just walk away from the exercise for a bit or try to work through it?>>
Take a day or two off, then try it with some adjustments and see how it goes!
Nice work! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
He did well here, and a great camera angle to see your connection and what he was looking at!On the tunnel-to-jump reps – those are going well!!! You can look at him more directly on the tunnel exits – that will get even better timing. As soon as he exits, you can be saying the next cue and also showing the physical cue. The go go go was really good (especially the last one!). The right turn and the left turn (rear cross) can come one stride sooner and seeing him exit the tunnel will make that easy.
Speaking of tunnel exits: Be careful of doing a spin at the tunnel entry, it cues a turn (:41) which he did – GOOD BOY! That made the RC harder because he was turning towards you then you had to push him back out to the line before starting the RC.
>>When I start him without a sit, he does jump up at me. I need to remember that .>>
Definitely a good one to remember! And when trying to line him up very precisely facing a jump, you can use a cookie lure for now to help him understand it. His stays looked great!
He definitely had trouble finding the jump before the tunnel.
>>I should have stopped one rep before i did to avoid a failure but stopped at 2 failures.>>
I thought you were fine to ask for that last rep and definitely not over-working the situation – you were making an adjustment that I was going to recommend (lining him up straight) and you rewarded him anyway, so now it is a matter of building up more value and understanding.
Definitely keep lining him up straight, and put him super close to the jump so it is almost unmissable (it is a low bar so he won’t have trouble with the height :))
I think the motion on the release is part of the question, so lead out a little further and release and walk soooo slowly – then throw the reward when he takes the jump. If that works, we can then add more movement to the release.
If that doesn’t work after a rep or two? Place the toy on the ground between the jump and the tunnel so he can have the a-ah! moment of looking forward to the jump 🙂
Great job here! Let me know how he does with the jump-to-tunnel lead out!
Tracy
Hi!
Teeter games are looking good! You can have the target in there when you want her to offer position during the tugging sessions – there was some lack of clarity there because she knew it was something at the end of the board, but she didn’t know exactly what that something should be (2o2o). The target will totally help. And she did well with pulling back on the toy as you tugged – really nice weight shift! To get even more weight shift in this game, you can gently and slowly pull towards you while she is tugging, but you don’t need to move your hand up and down at all.
Bang game – she looked really happy and confident, so now we can sharpen the mechanics to get more leaping directly into position. At the start of each rep, have her front feet just about in line with the end of the board, and you holding her collar (let her wear a collar for this :)) The position next to the end of the board and the collar hold will help foster getting her to leap right into position, without starting further up the board and trotting to position. With the collar hold, you can get a little bit of opposition reflex by pulling back a tiny bit, and then say her target cue – then let go to let her jump into position.
As soon as she can do that, add a little bit of you slowly moving forward – during the teeter progressions, we will want you to be just about anywhere except right next to her 🙂 Then you can either release her forward for a toy or throw a treat back to her.
When she is happy with that (I am sure she will be happy with it very quickly :)) you can add a little more height so the board moves more!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Well done here, Annalise! You made it look easy (especially the ladder sequences – those are CRAZY and definitely not easy 🙂 )On the first video:
Tunnel to FC on wing – looking great on both sides! Perfect!Spins – looking good too! Big connection on the exit and staying in motion on the 2nd rep was GREAT – the first rep had a little less motion so she had a question. As you exit spins, you can use your dog-side arm to point back to her nose. That will show your connection even sooner and more clearly than if you keep you hand at your side and just turn your head.
2nd video:
The ladder is also going well! Prytania thought this was hard (because it IS hard haha!), which is why she would sometimes put her nose down for a second at the beginning. No worries! Great job staying in motion and helping her out.On the circle wraps – as she is passing you, you can lean forward a bit to stop yourself from taking any steps back. We want you to be able to get right behind her tail as she is passing you 🙂 You can see a good lean forward (no steps backwards) at :47- :49. Very nice!!! That puts you way ahead!!
When looking at the first video, I suggested pointing your dog-side arm back to her as you finish a blind so you can make great connection. You did it beautifully at 1:07 – 1:08 here and again at 1:42 and also at 1:58 and 2:13 – lovely!!. Prytania easily found the connection and picked up speed because the info was very clear!
Prytania really only had one question on this session, at 1:26 she didn’t quite commit. You can look back t the landing spot more as you move ahead of her, to support the commitment with all the countermotion.
Great job here, Annalise!!!
Tracy
Hi! These are looking really strong, I am doing a big happy dance about how strong her commitment is, and how nice the turns are too!
Looking at the first video: super nice connection on the FCs on both sides! Great timing!
A couple of subtle details about the spins –
She had a question on the spin at :20 (a little bit of looking at you and a little zig-zag in her path)- you had good timing of starting it, but I think your position was very similar to the FC line position and as she exited the wing wrap, your arm was forward and your head was a little forward, so she was looking up for more info.She did not have that question at :27, when your line of motion was definitely more towards the tunnel entry you wanted, and you made a bigger connection. Having your arm back (pointing toward her, rather than pointing to the tunnel) will make the connection visible sooner and easier for you to show.
On the other side – the rotation at :36 was late starting so the FC element of the spin was late, which makes the BC element late too (so she had a little question).
Great adjustment on the next rep to start the rotation perfectly on time at :44!! Note how at :45, as she exits the wing, she is behind you and considering going to your right side – that was because you were looking towards the line near you rather than at her, so she really only saw you back there (great camera angle!)
So be sure to keep your dog-side arm back on the spin exits (pointing to her cute nose :)) and make direct eye contact to show her the line more clearly.
On the 2nd video – she has great commitment to these circle wraps – she does not really need you to look at the ‘anding’ spot, allowing you to move through really quickly (tons of countermotion!) This made things much easier when you wanted the other side of the tunnel like at :32 and :44
She had a little blooper (refusal) at :56, the only question of this session – she didn’t commit to the circle wrap on the 2nd wing, maybe just because you were running away from all the obstacles which was weird? She sorted it out nicely on the next reps though 🙂
>>so I failed to re-connect with her over my left shoulder (shoulda had toy in my left hand). Oops!>>
No worries! Her commitment looked great and you got the toy dropped on her line, so she still nailed it 🙂
Great job on these!!! She is ready for the double blinds!
Tracy
Hi! Those are all excellent song choices!!! And it is great to be able to do your visualization practice with the song too, it can really help get your brain trained to be able to work the visualizations at trials!
Tracy
Hi!
Nice job helping her figure out the layering!! It is a super useful skill!
On the first rep, you did a decel and started pointing forward before she committed, which changed the line of your shoulder so she came to you. On the other reps, you were really strong with your motion and arm support – I think the outside arm gave her the most shoulder support and supports with a lot of connection too! Plus, placing the toy helps too 🙂 She was really figuring it out nicely by the end!!She naturally turns tight over 4 so you can be closer to 6 to tighten up the 5-6-7 FC.
Like with Kippy, I don’t think you need to really do much to show her 8 other than a bit of connection and a jump verbal 🙂 That will get you miles ahead for the blind and more importantly, for the deceleration into 10.
I think a spin on 10 will also be best for her too – on the first run, you didn’t have a lot of time for decel (too much help at 8 made you a little late), so you ended up facing fully forward at :43 when she was taking off. You had more decel at 1:06 and a little rotation towards her, but then turned back to face the jump again – she did collect before takeoff but landed facing forward then had to turn after landing. I think the rotation will get her head turned over the bar so she lands ready prepared to turn the next direction, rather than landing straight then turning. It is a small detail but definitely faster to do the spin (and better on her shoulders).
Seq 3: I don’t have a ton of feedback for you about the threadle wraps, because you are nailing it! I think changing to a specific cue (circle) is GREAT because it is very different from in in! The verbal will really help differentiate the 2 different behaviors. Your physical cues were very clear as well – you might have been a bit further from the threadle wrap jump than needed, which might have contributed to her going around jump 5? But I think she read it nicely in the broken down parts then did well in the sequence as well!
This cue always has a small element of decel to it, so you don’t need to feel like you have to rush – you can hold the cue til you see her head turn and that first step to the the correct direction, then take off for the next line.
She had a rare bar down on 3 at 1:50 and missed 5 at 1:53 – I believe that was because you did not call her before she went into the tunnel, and she had just done a lot of go straight reps with that tunnel – so when she saw your acceleration, she probably figured it was a go straight rep 🙂
On the next run, you did the cross sooner (before she entered the tunnel) but I am not sure if she saw it – you called after she exited but I think the verbal happening about 6 feet before the tunnel entry (name or a right verbal) will make all the difference.
The threadle wrap there looked great on both runs! Super!!
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning! This looked great!!
He had no trouble with the layering, so you can probably decel a little sooner (as he exits the tunnel and looks at the jump after it) to get a tighter turn 4-5. Then stay a little closer to the 6 jump t get a tighter turn 5-6. I don’t think he needed you to stop & send to 8 – you can just be kinda connected and using big verbals, to make it even easier to get up to the BC.
The decel for the wrap on 10 looked good! You rotated your feet and then turned to face the jump – once you start the rotation, you can continue through it for a spin to get the best turn. It was a really good turn but note how he looked straight until after landing because that was where you were facing. With a spin, I believe his head will be turning over the bar so the turn will be tighter and faster 🙂
Seq 3: nice opening!
You showed a little too much decel away from the 5-6 jump at :31 so he had too much turn towards you, then had to go back out to the backside wrap – stepping him back out delayed the foot rotation so the turn was wide.You can go directly to the just behind the wing of 6 and use your verbals to get the turn out of the tunnel – that will put you in a great spot to decel and also to get your feet turned to 7, to set up a lovely wrap.
Great job with the blind at the end!!!
TracyGood morning! This went really well!!! Looking at both runs:
The opening went super well in both runs here:
Nice wrap at 1! She never even looked at the off course that was right there 🙂 You can send from further away from 1, and then try for the BC between 3-4 🙂 You had it here (note how much you had to decel and wait to do the RC) – the RC worked well here, but getting the BC is a great exercise in handling aggressively which is needed for the ending line.Nice tunnel layer while she was weaving! I bet you can layer the teeter too! That will get you MILES ahead for the 9-10-11 line 🙂
One ting to consider: Yes, maintain contact criteria, but you don’t need to reward all contacts by going back to deliver a cookie (or decel like you are going to reward), for 2 reasons:
– first, it puts you out of position and out of flow for the next section (stopping then releasing and accelerating is easy for the dog and harder for us!) The bar down at :57 on the jump after the frame was because of the stop & go nature of rewarding then trying to get going again, and it and puts you out of position to get the BC after 10. The release is a strong reward too!
– second, it is significantly different than the trial experience, and the trial experience can be more frustrating because suddenly the rewards are unpredictable (no more handler decel or cookie delivery!) and that can change contact behavior
Really nice middle section of 9-14 on both runs… this is another spot where you can be more aggressive and get the blinds instead of the rears! You can handle 10 almost as a ‘German’ (backside to blind, with a bit of countermotion) to get ahead, and then another blind is possible 11-12 too!
The exit of the dog walk is a place I do NOT recommend the blind (puts you too far away from where you are going next), so I thought your switch plan was great! The switch on the first run looked good! You can send into it more, which can easily get you to the BC on the exit of the 15 tunnel 🙂 That puts you a lot closer to deal with 18, which is a really hard turn. By rear crossing all of those (RC 16, RC 17) you were facing the slice line of 18 so she jumped on a slice. Even if you are not ahead of her there, you would need to rotate your feet to 19 as she is landing from 17, so she can wrap 18 (and not back jump 🙂 ) Doing at least on blind (15-16) and possibly 2 blinds (16-17!) will make that much easier 🙂 Another option is to BC 15-16 and then stay on landing of 17 to do a threadle wrap of 18.
On the 2nd run at 14, you said switch but didn’t use the physical cues so she turned right – good thinking on your feet to keep going! That took out the option of the blinds, but you can still decel and rotate your feet to 19 after she lands at 18 (even though you will be a lot further away).
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning! Welcome back, I bet the trip was amazing!
I can relate about the heat. I highly recommend moving up here to SW Virginia, where it is not nearly as brutal as the rest of the southeast or south-central parts of the country… and no snow either LOL!!!!
Nice work on these courses. Yes, these had far more bars than we have seen in a long time. I attribute it to her being maybe a little out of shape (between the heat and life and vacations, she might not be fully conditioned at the moment) and also a little rusty in her jumping skills:
I am seeing a bit of a theme about things happening over the bar (verbals, especially) being correlated with the bar coming down (more below).Sequence 1:
The Walk through looked good! On the walk through, you can look at her more 1-2-3. Also, as you move through the backside at the end, remember shift connection all the way back to the landing spot as you move forward through it to help her commit. You were looking at your invisible dog there 🙂 And you can accelerate on the go (love how you threw the invisible toy :))Run 1 – She had the bar down at 2 – I wonder if your shoulder is too far back at 2? Too open? But also, you were saying your tunnel cues.
Switch to the layering was GORGEOUS!The backside was at :33, you ran it looking at her like you did in the walk through, so she didn’t take the jump. I think the connection will really help.
On Run 2, she hit bar 2 again – arm to far back? Tunnel verbal over the bar? Both? There was no other reason for it, other than perhaps tunnel cue was distracting or causing her to rush.
Good switch on this run too! She dropped a bar here – you were further ahead on the layering here plus verbal over the bar.
You hung out at backside longer to get commitment, but that made it harder to set the go line to the last jump because you were still moving past the backside jump – that is why she had a question there (line of motion). Moving forward like you did on the first run with connection to the backside will help set that line nicely.
Seq 2 Walk through:
Yes, I can see the shoulders come forward on last layering jump as you mentioned, so there was a rehearsal of breaking connection in the walk through. When she is more experienced, you won’t need it as much but for now the connection really helps.Threadle wrap kind of looks the same as a threadle slice in the walk through – it did not have as much shoulder pull to set the line as she would need, so remember to exaggerate it 🙂
The rest looked really strong, excellent attention to position and connection!Runs –
On the first run, as she was threading, you said “yay” (or something similar) over bar 2 so it came down. She found the start of the layering really nicely! Your motion and connection at the end of the layering (where she missed the jump) matched walk through, so it is good to know that we can add more support there and she will get it!2nd run – She dropped the first bar here – maybe she was set up a little too close to the bar but also – a verbal over the bar. I totally see a trend!
That threadle wrap went pretty well!!! You can take the extra moment to slow the cues down so she sees shoulder pull then the hands to turn her on the flat. That will smooth it out! The rest also looked really good!
Seq 3 Walk through: You can lead out more to do the FC turn before she goes into the tunnel, for a tight exit line.
You can add more connection on the exit of the FC on the backside. Everything else looked really good: good choices, good connections and good lines, including good acceleration at the end 🙂Runs: the opening both times matched the walk through in the 1-2-3 section, with the FC starting after she was in the tunnel so she was wide on the exit (didn’t see the turn til after she came out). with late FC both times
You had really good connection on the exit of the FC after the backside! And a verbal over the bar, so the bar came down.
2nd run – she didn’t drop the bar on 1 but she hit it when you said ‘tunnel’.
The rest was great and she did not touch the bars even though you were talking over the bars – lovely!!!!So overall, your walk throughs are very strong. Yes, keep working on all the connections all the time, and exaggerating the shoulder pulls of the threadle wrap – but mainly, I thought you did great and your speed was matching her speed quite nicely!
About the bars… I think she is a bit rusty about keeping the bars up while you give cues over the bars. I believe that every bar here was when you were talking over it. That has not really been an issue in a long, long while – so I am not going to worry about it 🙂 As you start your jump work up again, you can throw in a couple of sessions on one jump or an easy grid, where you talk over the bar – big rewards for no touching the bar, no rewards for dropping it. Start off easy (quiet verbals, not a lot of motion) so she can be super successful, then make it eventually harder with very exciting verbals and more motion 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>but for some reason I had it in my head that my goal for anything going back more or less the same way that I wanted to position myself in center of the bar. >>
It is possible that it was taught that way because people wanted to stay off the dog’s line and that the adjustment stride was fine? I was taught (by Jenny Damm) to get on the dog’s line to set the turn and then get the heck off of it before the dog needs it 🙂
He did well on the video when you were on the correct line- no problem at all on the collected exits or the slice exits. He read you perfectly on all of them. Super! You can leave sooner on the FC/collection exits: as soon as his nose is arriving at the entry wing, you can already be turning and leaving for the next jump.
Doing the threadle wrap in isolation it was hard to know from your feet at first. It got clearer when you added he decel and that rock back step – that got your feet rotated and he read it perfectly. For example at 1:11, as he was landing from the 5 jump, you were decelerated, using the flip verbal and arm, and your dog side foot (right foot) was pointing at the 7 jump and you left foot was stepping back. Clearly that is all he needs and he read it perfectly!
If you want to test the cues, you can do a Sequence 1 (threadle slice) and Sequence 3 combo: do 1-2-3-4-threadle slice – FC backside of 6 – then you can keep going and do sequence 3 into the threadle wrap, so he can see both cues in flow and give you feedback on if it is clear or not, with no warm ups 🙂
>.Figured if I could get there for a front that I could get there for a blind.
That worked well! You had hours to get there for the FC so I am sure the blind would have been easy too!
Great job here! Onwards to package 4!!
Tracy
Hi!
>>I walked it and did not feel comfortable with the BC- although I can see how it could create a tighter turn. Will try it out. I also felt that I needed the decel to tighten up that RC turn.>>
The RC worked really well! The BC is worth playing with for when you are on a bigger course – it is the ultimate send and leave because you won’t even have time to see more than a blur of her exiting the tunnel 🙂
T
Hi! Sounds like a good trial weekend!!
Lots of good work on the videos here!
Start lines are going well! She is holding her stay really well. When you ramp her up, you can reward each trick – that way there is still a high rate of reinforcement happening, not just arousal.
A couple of suggestions on the lead out mechanics:
As you lead out, stay more connected rather than turning your back on her – the connection will let you know if she is moving, and also it will help you not have the release and the reconnection happen at the same time, because then the reconnection quickly becomes the release.
Also, you can be more precise with the line ups – be sure to line her up on your left and on your right , then lead out whichever way she is facing because when she was facing one way and you lead out in a different direction, she was moving to follow your line. If you are going to send to the barrel, line her up facing the barrel. And in the moments when she is more stimulated, you can give her an extra second or two to get settled into the sit before you lead out. If you moved away before she was really sitting, she came with you.She committed well to the barrels! Be sure to add more connection on the sends – resist temptation to look at the barrel 🙂 and look at her instead. When she ha a question at 1:45, it was because you were looking at the barrel so she was not as certain of where to go.
Tunnel rocking horses – both videos looked really good! Good job setting the barrels up pretty close to get the game started, then moving them further away. No problems with commitment to the tunnel or barrels!
One suggestion: Connect more to her eyes on the tunnel exits – note how she looks up at you when she is exiting the yellow end when you are looking ahead – she is trying to get a look at the motion so she can understand the line. The added connection will smooth out that line.
You can also use a toy for this game to add even more speed and excitement!
Simple decel games also looked really good! You can add more connection on the lead out here too so you can look at her before you release or throw the reward back without accidentally building re-connection into the release. There is a theme here: more direct connection 🙂
The releases to go forward looked great! And she did SUPER well with the collection, especially the first one in the first video, where she would really be reading the cue and not doing what she had just done a couple of times.
Note how she was looking at you on the first rep there -then on the 2nd rep, you had less connection so she started to ask questions. You added connection after that and it really helped. You can give full connection before the release – eye contact, arm pointed back to her – and she will have a clearer picture of the cues.
She did well on the 2nd video/other side as well! Yay! Try not to lean into the collection cues, that can give a conflicting cue – leaning in or taking a step can cue more extension so she was indeed going a little wider in response to that. Try to be upright and relaxed and connected, and let her do all the work 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
Hi! Time is flying, I didn’t realize it had been 2 weeks!!
>>Baxter is absolutely not wanting to work in this heat.>>
Totally relatable. It has been SUPER hot and humid, and he is wearing a long coat. It is gross out! Bleh! My short hair dogs are feeling it too! It is cooler up here this week, so fingers crossed we get some cooler weather.
I also think about ethology and what the dogs are bred to do… my Papillons melt in the heat. The whippet dogs have one good sprint… that is it LOL!! The BC mixes can go longer because they are genetically more suited to working in the heat. I consider all of that when training.
>>I’ve kept a timer and training sessions (when attempted) under 3 minutes but in all honesty we don’t often get to the timer before we stop, either at his request or that I’m reading that he’s done.>>
If it is really gross and humid out, you might get 30 seconds of great work, or a minute… then be done. I liked both the videos here – the first one was a little over a minute, and the first 30 seconds of the second one were great! I think he needed a little convincing to come back but then he did finish strong on the 2nd on as well.
Does he like baby pools? Or getting wet? He seemed to want to get on the concrete (I think that is what was near the camera?) so maybe put a wet towel on it?
>>I’ve tried early sunrise and late sunset with limited success.>>
I’d aim for sunrise 🙂 And also bear in mind that toy play will heat him up even faster. My dogs generally work for food like cold cheese in the heat, rather than toys, to try to keep them cooler. But since he is not yet a foodie super short toy sessions might be best.
I have also found that getting out in the heat of the day to go for a walk, or chase a toy can really help build up some heat acclimation.
>>’m wondering if it’s an adolescent thing or a heat related absolute refusal.>>
Either? Both? LOL!
>>I’m inclined to bring the tunnel and jumps back inside for training but footing is a little slippery when his feet are wet and I honestly want him to train outside. Not all trials around here are in indoor spaces like we got used to in NY.>>
The trials in the summer around here are not worth entering – just way too hot and unpredictable with weather. The outdoor trials at other times of year are much better, and I think you will find plenty of good indoor places too. So yes, you can bring stuff indoors when there is a really big stretch of hot weather.
>>the pressure affects my handling (good training for trials, right?)>>
Ah! Great point! I feel the same – when I need to get videos filmed for the CAMP class, there is a lot of pressure at 6am to get it right LOL!!
I think the videos were really good!
On the first one, there were a couple of timing questions and also position questions:At :17 he ended up in the wrong tunnel entry – he saw you looking over your right shoulder as he exited the wing plus you were running towards the tunnel closer to where he was wrapping – when you did the blind, he considered it but then all of your motion said not to so he went into the tunnel your motion presented. Good boy, good reward!
Your timing was one step earlier at :44 but all your motion was to the wrong end of the tunnel, then you said tunnel… so he went into the one he was looking at. Good boy again!
Your connection was really good at 1:08 but more importantly, your motion was GREAT! So much clearer in your line to the correct end of the tunnel. So he got it 🙂On the Ladder wraps video, 2 really good runs here!
First run – look more at landing as you move forward, that will help support the line to the wing.
You ended up on the outside at :08 (wrong side of the wing) and freestyle a bit, but he got it and carried on really well!2nd run was really good! He really does have good commitment here and my only suggestion is to look back to the landing spot more to help guarantee the commitment. You can also use your other hand (opposite hand) to point to the landing spot past the wing as you look at it too, to help exaggerate where you want him to go with all the countermotion that is happening.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
