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>>I pick him up all the time – safety issue, getting him into the crate – not an offered behavior – so this is a big rethink – he definitely is less confident about the world when I am carrying him around>
Stop picking him up all the time 🙂 If you have to pick him up to put him in a crate, always always always follow it with a bunch of tossed treats or a bone or something really awesome. I also do regular scoop up, put down, cookies throughout the day. Just a life skill that is always always paired with amazing things.
>>Even clipping on the leash triggers stress. His harness is a step in – should I try a martingale?>>He might not love the martingale either, so same as with being picked up: clip on the leash the shower him with something amazing like treats or a favorite tug. All of this is separate from training to get it rolling!
And for getting the toy back, trade of another toy by smacking the new toy on the ground or dragging it around for him to chase 🙂
T
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>>Mochi has started to bark at me for not starting the game fast enough? Not giving/getting out the toy fast enough? Not giving her the treat when she thinks she should have it?
Could be a zillion reasons why – yes, be faster with reinforcement and transitions. And keep a higher rate of reinforcement. But also get it on video so I can see why she is doing it. Sometimes it is just excitement!
>>So far I turn my back on her or turn my head away from her until she stops.
That is a punisher, so don’t do that anymore. Just go faster and get it on video. We don’t want to add in a punisher because then we can get stress/frustration, which might manifest as more barking or disengagement or other stress behavior.
>>Could you please give some suggestions to stop this behavior?
Don’t worry about stopping the barking… let’s think about how to create other behavior instead. But, seeing it on video will give us better answers so definitely post up the barky videos!
TracyYes, it is a stress thing! If anyone wants to see the full answer, check out Jill’s thread. Pesto is doing great!
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>>The plus side of my struggles is it forces me to have short training sessions, have a plan, reward efficiently, try to be really observant, improvise.>>
That is hugely important! So it isn’t a struggle is the pup is shaping you to be a better trainer 🙂
>>My girl seems to get full, lose interest, want to move onto something else, has trouble switching from toy to treats and back.>>
All very normal puppy behaviors! And that is why we start with very very simple shaping games so that we can sort all of this out before we get into the fancy stuff.
>>When she’s hungry she’ll exchange toy for tiny kibble up to a certain point. If I start with higher value treats, cheese or meatball, or switch to these, she doesn’t want to go back on the toy. At some point, she seems to have had enough of the food.>>
She is tiny and very young, so 2 things to help:
Sessions that are half the length of what you want to do. You want to do 2 minutes? Set the timer for 1 minute then be done.To build up the back and forth between food and toys, separate it from training and just do food to toy to food for a minute, running back and forth to a food spot in one room and a toy spot in the other room.
Tracy
Good morning!
Great job with this session: you had really clear, gentle mechanics that were perfect for a baby dog! I especially loved how you let her get the toy, waited a moment, then went into and gently took the toy and tugged with her. That was a great pressure-free way to keep her engaged and not moving away with the toy. Super!!! She will start bringing the toy back but for now, keep doing it just like this!
Since she is focusing forward so beautifully, you can start to add in your motion: as she moves to the toy, you can begin walking forward as well.
And you can also take this game outside and see how she does!
Great job! Have fun at the workshop!
TracyGood morning!
This is looking great – she is already figured out that being “bendy” is the most efficient way to turn, and that is really lovely!!
Only one suggestion: when you are pivoting and turning, decelerate into it and turn more slowly. That will help her be able to collect and be ready to turn (because the decel indicate the turn is coming). When you switched to the toy, you could see she was wider because you were moving really fast the whole time, so she didn’t anticipate that a turn was coming so had to collect to turn after she got to you. So adding in the decel as she is on her way to you will help set up really great turns!
>>I would do this outside but then she can’t see the treats in the grass. I’ll see what I can figure out for the blind cross exercise.>>
You can use a big food bowl as a target – place the cookie in it, have her move away from it with you (this might be hard :)) and then send her to the cookie bowl to start the game. That way she won’t have to search out the treats. And if you have someone who can hold her, that would work beautifully for the decel and for the blind crosses.
Great job here!
TracyHi!
This session went really well! She was great!! And you were great too!>>Watching this back, my mechanics felt awkward even though I practiced with out her.
Try this sitting so you don’t have to bend over as much. And a longer toy will help too, even if you tie the toy you were using to another toy to double the length. That will help you feel less awkward.
Plus, training any new puppy feels awkward for all of us, so you are in good company 🙂 It starts to feel better as you two get used to each other.
>>And I can see myself a few things to improve upon: Make the transitions quicker, make sure the meatballs are thawed out so she eats them faster ( duh ), get treats out of plastic bag so no noise, perhaps try to release as I present toy instead of waiting.>>
Yes to the quicker transitions and to thawing the meatballs 🙂 Don’t worry about the cookie bag noise 🙂 And I am not sure what you mean about releasing as you present the toy? Do you mean telling her she can hop off and get the toy ? If so, yes to that too 🙂
>>Gosh, the older I get, the harder the mechanics become
I think it is just New Puppy Syndrome LOL!! No matter how long we have ben training dogs, starting a new puppy feels awkward every time 🙂
You can also let her offer more and feed on the object less – toss the treat off the object, so she can go get it then run back to offer more behavior on the object. There were a lot of cookies here for looking up at you while standing on the object, so tossing the treat off to the side will get more emphasis on the object and less on looking at you 🙂
>>But I can see a real benefit to switching back and forth, keeps her engaged, energy high, fun break between cookies…all the benefits you mentioned.
yes – she was super engaged!!! And adding the play in the middle might be part of why it felt awkward because we really do need 3 hands for this LOL!! It will start to feel easier soon 🙂
And BIG HOORAY for no puking!!!! YAY!!!!
Great job here 🙂 Tracy
Good morning and welcome to class!!
>>So far he is a great dog but I have started to nice some questionable behaviors appear and figured he could use some training that also could become his agility fundamentals to tire his brain out.>>
What type of questionable behaviors are you seeing?
>> Can auditor-only participants also post videos?
Auditors don’t post videos, but you can ask as zillion questions 🙂
>>So far we’ve only been practicing the exercises presented in a live class so I am worried with the number of new things posted we will be constantly behind since I tend to train with him only on my days off from work (will have to work on getting more training sessions in).>>
There is a lot of stuff to play with for sure! But you can do just a minute or two, here and there. And you will find that all of the games build on each other, so you don’t need to practice anything to perfection – just a session or two is all he needs.
Have fun!
TracyHi! The next live class is on May 10th. The classes are all listed on the main course page:
[AU-057] MaxPup Performance Puppy Foundations: Special Edition!
Tracy
Hi!
This went well!
Correct, you don’t have duration yet on the stay so adding the cookie toss start was perfect ! And this is a GREAT game for getting him to line up and come to your side without additional stress (take the leash off, it weighs more than he does LOL!!)
When he was having trouble staying on your left side as you turned, it was only because you were turning too fast and it looked like a blind cross (a natural cue for dogs to change sides). So slow that side down and let him stay on your hand as you turn.
Nice work here! Definitely do this game as a general recall game throughout the day, and in all rooms of the house!Tracy
Good morning!
>>My big issue is getting him to want to come back to me.
Yes, I can see it here – your mechanics of grabbing/moving/lifting him are stressful. More below.
>> Perhaps this relates to the keep away from the Momma. HOWEVER I am starting to see the chase me game where he gets me to chase more generally.
>>when I attempt to get him he thinks it’s a game.>>
This is all stress behavior – it is not a game. He is not being naughty. See below! We can changes this, though, so he doesn’t find being touched so stressful.
>>I’m wondering if I need him leashed whenever he is out of the crate.
Nope! Because you will then use the leash as a control tool when you need to make the recall happy for him. Separately from training, you need to NOT grab him (see below) and you need to use a lot more food and toys to make coming to you happy (and NOT being followed by grabbing, because being grabbed is aversive enough that he will stop coming for toys or food.
The main thing I am going to ask you to do is be a lot more hands-off with him. Here is why:
Note how at the beginning you put him down, then crank him into position with your hand on his collar (:05). That right there contributes to him avoid being touched by the collar because it is a correction and it is icky.That correlates to the stress behavior between :19 – :38 (fawn, back away, shake, sniff the chair, lowered body, ears back…)
He offered to play with you, but you grabbed him and dragging him by the collar then picked him up. Then at 1:01, you were lifting and holding and he was actually mouthing your hand because it was uncomfortable. Then at 1:17 you rich for him and he flattens to the ground and you pick him up and he dangles. That process repeats a few times and he really doesn’t like it at all and at the end he checks out entirely because the being grabbed and lifted is so icky for him.None of that will help your training so we need to make a complete change to how you interact with him. It is easy enough to make that change, but we need to make it immediately! He is showing a ton of stress signaling here.
So bring him into the session on the ground like he is a Great Dane. You are not allowed to pick him up, ever. Period. And also never move him or drag him by his collar.
He can enter the session playing with the toy on the ground, like he weighs 80 lbs. Then trade for a cookie, then gently take his collar (do not pick him up, do not move him to face a different direction. Then drop the toy and let him drive to it. Let him drive to the toy without you also driving to it – he doesn’t yet like the pressure of you running and grabbing for it, and we want to develop more happy feelings in training before we add that pressure.
And you can do this whole session sitting or kneeling, so there is no bending over him (lots of pressure!) and you won’t be tempted to pick him up.
Don’t worry if he doesn’t bring the toy back, that is separate training. Just trade for another toy or treats! Don’t chase him or grab for him.
So – the main thing is to work out the mechanics of coming to you and lining up without being grabbed or lifted. The actual game is secondary to that (in other words – I don’t really care about the game). Making the change in mechanics will make a massive difference for him, in training and in daily life!
Let me know what you think!
Tracy
Good morning!
>>I just introduced the Lotus ball, separately from these exercises, to see what he thought and I think he might like that too once he figures out how to get the velcro open.
I am sure he will grow to like it! Before you get too heavily into food-only training, though, let’s get more toy play involved. Food training is good but having toys in the toolbox will help with a lot of things! So for balls – maybe a small tennis ball? Or have you tried some cat toys (without catnip of course LOL!!)
Focus forward looks great and that glove is a winner LOL!! Great job remembering to connect with him so you can be connected while he drives forward. Love it! The next step for this game is to try it in different places – different rooms in the house or a hallway if you have carpet, or even outside!
Prop sends – you mentioned not having a collar for this one but you don’t need a collar for this one 🙂 Your ready dance was great!! And yes as soon as you indicated the send, he was quite perfect and you already have some nice distance going!!!! Yay! This game can also ‘go on the road’ to other rooms and other places so that he can start to generalize it a bit. And when yo ugh someplace new, you can start a lot closer to the prop to make it easier.
Both goat trick videos looked good , he is happy to get on random things and eat cookies LOL! It doesn’t seem to matter to him if the thing is moving – perfect! So the goat tricks can go on the road too, getting him on new textures and items, in new places. And at home, you can do a goat trail: line up a few different things and have him walk across them all in a line 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>>I’ve watched this video a couple of times but I’m not sure why Baxter went left on the first rep?
You were late 🙂 That is generally the answer to all of our handling questions 🙂 You were good about getting close to him on the RC line. But then watch :14 – :17 in slow motion (Youtube has a slow motion element if you click on the little gear symbol) – when he was getting ready to take off at :16, you were still on the left turn side of him. You did the side change while he was in the air at :17, so you can see him look back at you and say “oh wait! She changed sides!” So Mr. Athletic changed directions in the air. GOOD BOY!!!
And that is why I tell people to reward the less-than-perfect handling reps (like you did here) because almost all of the errors are human errors 🙂
Compare :16 to :34 where he is getting ready to take off and you are already on the other side, and he is already turned to the new direction. Yay!!
The pushes are looking good! You don’t need his name on the tunnel exits when you do the push reps, we don’t want him to turn towards you 🙂 And keep throwing the reward to the landing spot – you can look at landing a little sooner (before you throw the reward) to help commit hm to the jump but overall he is doing really well on one of the hardest skills in agility!!
He ended up on the front of the jump at 3:53. You had a disconnection moment which made it look like you were doing a blind cross, so he did the blind cross (again, reward it, when something like that happens especially after a number of successful reps, it was definitely handler error). And when you were more connected on the next rep, he went to the backside 🙂
The tunnel threadles went really well too! He is really paying attention to the handling!
On the first side, the threadles looked good and he responded well!!! One little detail: at 1:02 – he did not cheat by not taking the wing, you were too early on the cue and yelled tunnel before he had a chance to commit. Reward that too! He went to the tunnel when cued, so he was correct 🙂
On the other side, you were doing front crosses instead of threadles so remember to get him between you and the tunnel on those. And on the FCs, he sometimes ended up in the tunnel – a little more connection will definitely help there.
>>Verbal cues are not my friend LOL.
Actually, you are doing a great job with the verbals! We have added about 10,000 new verbals for Baxter and your rate of success in spitting out the correct verbal at the correct time is VERY high!!!! Great job!!!
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
Good session here with the tunnel threadles! The first side went well (you were very clear with your upper body :))On the side she had trouble with – when you were turning your shoulders away she had a lot of trouble seeing the chase in line. It worked better when you changed your pace (slowing down when you did the threadle cue, which we will want to make she she can also do it when you are staying in fast motion) but worked best when you turned your upper body to her more and she could see your entire threadle arm. Yay!!! Is definitely keep the highly visible threadle arm rather than turn your shoulders away from her or change your pace.
>>It’s hard to see, but it was the leash and harness on the ground that caused the initial brain fart! I think her nose just overpowers her sometimes. We kept super short and she was leashed in between breaks.>>
Yes, the leash/harness was distracting LOL!! But also – in between reps, she is tugging the whole time.. which means there is very little time for breathing 🙂 Dogs tend to not breath much (very shallow breaths) during tugging so when you took the tug toy out of her mouth in 2 spots, she was like “whew, I need to breath”. These were both after 2 moments where you were planning/discussing the next rep while she was tugging.
So, I don’t think of it as disengagement as much as she wanting a moment to take a breath 🙂 In between the reps, you can tug as the reward and if you are going to take more than a second or two to get into the next rep, switch to holding her collar and not tugging so she can take a breath – then tugging to start the next rep.2 other smaller details:
She is moving fast with a lot of power… time for more tunnel bags so she doesn’t move the tunnel or slip when she is in it. And, when she is very comfy with the tunnel threadle verbal, you can fade out the tunnel verbal after the here here, so the here here also means “take the tunnel” and she won’t need the additional cue.
2nd video – she totally smoked you on the first blind! Love it!!!
2nd rep – not enough connection on the tunnel exit, which pulled you away from the wing so she didn’t know where to be.
3rd rep – much better connection so the blind looked really good! The left verbal is perfect for the tighter turn on the blind. She doesn’t need it on the racetrack though, because that is not a tight turn for her. Note at 1:01 you were saying “left” and she was trying to turn tight and not find the middle wing. So, a go verbal would be better there to keep her in extension.Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
