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Since we don’t want him jumping off, don’t move as far past the board – then go back and give him another cookie for waiting for you 🙂 And then another and another! Then he can turn around with permission and come down and then you can have him come off the side (or pick him up, unless he doesn’t like that). Giving him extra treats for staying there will also help him with his end position 🙂
TracyHi there!
These are also going well! I only have little details to suggest:
On the 2 jump serps, be sure to walk through the line as if you are coming from a previous jump (the serp would be jump 2), more like what you did at 1:14. And be moving the whole time, so it is a true serp in motion 🙂He read the 3 jumps really well! You did them 2 different ways, both were really good 🙂 Only one suggestion – you don’t need to swing your arm in out and: you can send him to the first jump, then just leave your arm in serp position, locked back. It is not the arm swing that cues the line (it is maintaining shoulder position) so swinging the arm can muddy the waters.
I think he is ready to see the serp games with the tunnel – the jumps are angled on those, because there is so much more speed. Great job here!!
TracyHi!
One jump serps are looking really good on both sides! He was reading them well! You can add in looking at the landing side when you add more motion, which is definitely the next step:
Try to keep moving the whole time, releasing when you get to the serp spot but without stopping.On the 2nd side, remember to pay attention to mechanics – be sure to walk all the way through the serp line as if coming for a previous jump, rather than go around to the other side of the jump. And yes, don’t do the spin LOL! But he said well. Onwards to the 2 and 3 jump games!
TracyHi! Very nice session here!!
>>At 0:54 & 0:59, thought wwere her JP hits.
Totally agree – I jotted those 2 down in my notes and then saw you mentioned them already LOL! Those were great!
>> As usual, it will take my muscle memory time to settle in on clicking at the moment, she puts down the 2nd rf into the mat off the edge.
yes – that last hit right n the edge is harder to see for sure! You can try elevating the mat. I had it elevated a lot when I started – I used an aerobic step for a while, so I could easily see it and the dogs could think about lifting up and putting their back feet on it, very specifically 🙂
Great job here!! With RDW work, we repeat these sessions a lot so nothing new to add, just keep looking for the 2 back feels 🙂Tracy
Hi!
For UKI at a normal trial, the NFC time is usually whatever standard course time is… but for some reason UKI will be changing that to 45 seconds. For Games, we usually get whatever course time is for those too, so ti would be the opening plus closing in Gamblers (something like 25 plus 14 seconds) and whatever the snooker max time is.>>1 of which is a “Cup” – West Coast Cup and the other is an “Open” – West Coast Open.>>
Yes, the classes at those are sometimes all one level (sometimes there are titling classes too) but these 2 events appear to NOT have titling classes. There is a movement towards NOT allowing NFC at the Cups and Classics, and it is not allowed at the US Open so I checked the NFC info for these events. The Cup (this weekend) *does* allow NFC but it will take you out of the running for the overall top dog (pretty sure you are not going for that this weekend anyway :)) And it looks like NFC is NOT allowed in any class at the West Coast Open, so you might want to reconsider the entry fee (it is expensive!).
Let me know if this makes sense 🙂
TracyHi! For the Pack 3 standard courses, here are some straight line giddy up moments to reward:
Course 1:
Do 4-5-6-7-unnumbered side of 14 to get a big fast line
7-8-9-10-11 reward
15-16-17 reward
Course 2
2-3-4-5-6 reward12-13-14 reward
14-15-16 reward
17-18-19 reward
And of course all of the twisty stuff in between 🙂
Have fun!!
TracyHi!
I think all of the dogs in the live classes did a great job this week!! I will be posted the recordings and sequences tonight. It is a really important skill!
I am glad you braved the heat and tried this again – I think it is a great idea to watch for your pool next time LOL!
She definitely thinks going straight after the RC is NUTS!! Your line was good – running with a lot of connection from behind like at :27 and 1:50 was great plus all the rewards out ahead on the line.
Compare it to when you were trying to cue the line after the RC with your left arm up like at :58… it turns the line of your shoulders so she came off the line. So definitely keep your wings in and look at her fluffy tail 🙂
By about 2:00, she had a lightbulb moment and realized how the GO verbal applied to it all and got on the line really well.On almost all of the reps, you ran a great line and did not get too deep behind the wing of the RC jump. You can see that you had a clear line to the next jump. -nice!!!
At 2:30, you had the only rep where you got behind the wing of the RC jump so you ended up having to run to your right… which pulled her off the line. So keep going with the great lines in the earlier reps, where you basically sent her past you into the RC and you ran straight up the line.Great job! You both deserve a day off now 🙂
TracyHi!
Plenty of lovely work on this course – it is a HARD course!!!
>>1. Turn at jump 5 to tunnel – Missed it first time; corrected by moving, instead of facing him.
Yes – excellent adjustment! Sending and leaving for that jump made a world of difference. Very nice!! Then the 6-7-8-9-10 section looked really strong.
>>2. Turn at Jump 11 to tunnel – I never said tunnel any of the turns…just said left.
11-12 is a hard turn. Have you ever tried a brake arm? As you are saying left, you can bring our your opposite arm (left arm, in this case) as kind of a ‘stop sign’ or a ‘whoa!’ It would happen after he lands from 10 and as you cue 11, so he approaches 11 in more collection.
The other thing you can do with him here and in general – more layering 🙂 You did some of it on this course, but you can do more 🙂 In this section, you send send to 10-11 and layer the 8/16 jump, which will more naturally draw him to you for 11-12.
>>3. Threadle at 15 – I am not ready for the threadle wrap or the backside from where I was on course, so I did the threadle slice and went to jump 10 (instead of 16). He was trying so hard, I didn’t want to make the course any harder for us.That is an excellent choice! I thought the 12-13-14-15 section looked fabulous! That threadle slice on 15 is NOT easy, and he nailed it. Very nice!!!! So doing 10 instead of 16 worked well and rewarded him with a fast line after a good threadle 🙂
>>4. Tunnel 18 to tunnel 19 – gave up. Help.
2 ideas for you to get it:
While he is doing the 15-16-17 line, you can layer that 8/16 jump to get way ahead and then, before he enters the 18 tunnel, do a tunnel “brake” verbal and physical cue. The verbal would be a left verbal or something similar that creates a 90 degree line for him. And the physical cue would be a decel (and even a break arm (left arm).
All of that happens when he is still 6 feet before the entry of 18, so he sees and hears it all: then he should turn and exit facing 19 🙂>>Major theme here – I need alot of work on turns…..I think I have been relying too heavily on spins and I am trying not to use them unless really needed…>>
Spins are hard with such a fast dog – we do use them sometimes, but Timber is SO FAST that you can add layering, send & go, and a brake arm to your toolbox 🙂
Here is what I mean by a brake arm:
>>Question: Your threadle wrap cue looks a lot like my collection cue, so I haven’t used it. My threadle slice cue is the opposite arm. I am using the same physical cue for the threadle wrap, with a different verbal. Is it okay to use the same physical cue, but different verbal?>>
I think it makes things harder to use the same physical cue with different verbals… you will have to be far more perfect with the cue and timing than I would ever want you to have to be LOL!! So you can change the physical cue a little – if your threadle slice arm is high, like at your shoulders, maybe try it lower, at your hips? That will be different enough! I use two low hands to make ti look different 🙂
>>In a previous post you provided me with instructions on the German turn. Although I don’t have it with much distance, I used it in class on Monday night and nailed it. In a class full of speedy BCs, I was the only one got it. Timber and I got alot of applause and whoops! What a confidence builder.
YES! Well, that didn’t take you long to learn it at all!!! Well done! I am doing a happy dance for you 🙂
Great job!
TracyHi!
>>Is it OK to try some of the sequences from the Live classes and video them?
Definitely! I will be posting both recordings and the sequences tonight.
>>I went to the Monday session and I thought it was great.
The Monday teams were a little more experienced and did a great job on the bigger sequences! The Tuesday teams also did a great job – they were a lot less experienced, so you will be able to get some ideas to break things down if needed.
Have fun! It is a great way to add even more commitment and distance 🙂
TracyHi!
I am glad he is back in action, and it is great that *maybe* the summer heat has broken a bit,This session went well!!
Because he has so much value on the front of the jump, this is a whole new ballgame LOL! Taking it really slowly so he could lock onto your hands was the right choice because even one tiny twitch towards the jump sent him to the front of it LOL! After about 2 minutes, he had a lightbulb moment and the last few reps were much easier to get him to come to the threadle side and turn away. Super!!!!
On the next session, start with the same “remember to come to my hands” but try it on the other side – he will be on your left, and turn to his left. I think maybe he his a lefty so that turning away will be easier to the left. If so – you can then start to add a little more motion to it. If not, you can go back to the dog-on-right side and add more motion there 🙂 The goal is that we add motion on the easier side as soon as we figure out which it is 🙂
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
Watching the rears, I think this will be super useful in your handling with her.She likes to work at a distance and we need to get you way ahead of her… this accomplished both!
On the first sequence – it was easy to set the rear and send her away, so you were easily ahead of her at the end. Perfect!
On the RC reps from :07 – :24, you were starting on the blue wing jump so it was not really a RC – if you start on the black wingless jump with her on your left, then set the RC to her left on the ink jump. -that will be a great RC challenge! I will be posted all of the maps and videos shortly.
Great job on the diagonal RC from :30 to the end. You were consistently super on the RC diagonal and she nailed it every time. YAY!! I could not really see the backside jump after it, but you were in great position to handle it.
Overall – I think this us a great addition to her handling toolbox! I think there were zero bars down and great turns throughout. YES! Stay tuned for the rest of it to be posted tonight, I am looking forward to seeing how she does with these!!
Great job 🙂 Tracy
Good morning!
I am glad to hear about Casper. Many dogs have had perfect outcomes with that surgery and have competed successfully at the highest levels.So nice to see that you are back outdoors and not being broiled!! It has been a hot summer. Great work on the video, you and Enzo are looking fabulous.
>>(you could stop at that point and see if you can guess where Enzo went off course).
Challenge accepted!
After watching the walk through, I would have guessed that he went off course to the aframe after the RDW at :25 – the cue to turn was late based on where you were looking (the invisible dog was already over the jump when you started the cues). I was not correct – he was wide but didn’t go off course.
But when I rewatched the walk through, I can see it in the walk through now too – at :36, you said tunnel but looked forward and did not connect or show the line, so. I can definitely see the invisible dog to come off the line to the tunnel.
The run looked great – beautiful opening! He was moving faster than your invisible dog was in the walk through, and I think that caught you a little off balance on the line to the weaves on the first run. You were definitely more prepared for it on the 2nd run and sent him sooner. Nice!
You changed a handling decision on the jump after weaves. In the walk through at :19 you did a serp versus the throwback/backy uppy at 1:09 in the run. I liked the throwback choice better with him as it got a great turn without you having to do a big decel and change position after it: you were able to set up the decel before he even exited the weaves, so you sent to the tunnel and left for the next position beautifully. My only suggestion is to not actually back up on the backy uppy 🙂 You started the cues in great position but then stepped backwards to the landing side, so he ended up going wide – you can stay in position on the takeoff side. You did a spin here on the 2nd run – I think a FC like on the first run but without backing up will end up being the best turn.
Looking at getting the turn line after this turn off the DW: layering and timing produced excellent strategic position after the RDW at 1:15 and at 2:10!!!! You can start the FC cues sooner – he read the turn off the RDW easily but was wide because the FC cues (rotation and verbals) were late. Trust that he will be very forward after the RDW so that jump barely needs to be cued, giving you more time to FC as soon as he exits the RDW.
And you probably don’t even need to be as close to the 2nd jump after the RDW, because that path blocks the line to the backside a bit. You can position yourself on the line to the backside wrap (3rd jump after the RDW) to get even better turns and lines.
Coming into the last jump-tunnel discrimin:
On the first run at 1:21 you did a RC into it, coming out of the backside wrap on your right. At 2:18 on the 2nd run, you did a blind to get him on your left – I love blinds and all, but the blind set the line to the off course tunnel and the RC set the line to the correct jump much better. Yay RC!!
2nd course (aka course 1 :))
The slice on 2 to the tunnel w=loked great! For the sake of science 😂 If you feel like running it again: I would be interested to see what the time difference would be on the slice (great line, massive distance) versus the wrap to the left on 2 (more collection, less distance).
>>there was a bar but I didn’t see how to improve my handling to prevent it. Loss of connection, maybe.>>
I think it was a combination of an ‘organization’ error after the RDW to the a-frame, he just didn’t quite get his striding organized – plus you turned your shoulder forward at that exact moment. So yes, in the handling, try to keep your shoulder open to him and eyes on him. But in training: let him see this line again a few more times as you turn your shoulder, run, yell… and reward for him not touching the bar. The distance is a distance he will see a lot coming off the RDW so he needs to practice organizing the striding sooner.
You can use your threadle verbal on 8 at 2:56 (backside after tunnel) – I really like that choice of handling there!
On the 11-12 line, you can begin the Come here at 3:00 sooner – you can start it as soon as he lands from 10 so he is turning over 11. Running forward even being lateral might present the tunnel (that is where he was looking) so the earlier verbal should tighten up that turn.
After the weaves: on the 13-14-15-16 line – really good handling choice! Because he has super independent weave skills, you can leave him in the weaves so you can get closer to the threadle jump (15). That way you can cue the line like you did and get the FC after it without backing up into it (which caused him to turn wide)
Nice ending line – it is tricky and you got the backside push to the RC to set it up really well!!! Yay!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
The water bottle walk throughs looked great! It is an easy way to practice connection AND stay hydrated 🙂
>>I think my hand is sort of pointing at the dog rather than staying down and behind me.>>
Since your dogs are low to the ground, I think it is fine to point it at the dog, wherever the dog is on course.
>>I am really struggling with the connection especially when the sequence gets a little complicated. It is easier with Keltie, I think because she is a little slower and I have time to think.>>
Connection is HARD!!! It gets easier as you keep rehearsing it. And ideally you din’t think about it, which is why I ask people to rehearse the walk throughs at relatively high speed- no time to think, just gotta do 🙂
>>. Do you think it would be better if I use Keltie for the videos for your feedback? I feel like I am making so many mistakes with Buccleigh that he is getting really confused and frustrated. Would it make sense to focus on the more simple sequences with Buccleigh and then do the more complicated ones with Keltie? Or maybe I should just work with Keltie? >>I think you can do a combination: run Keltie on the harder stuff, smooth it out (but don’t do too many reps with her either, just 2 or 3 reps of th sequence or course) – then do 1 rep with Buccleigh. Run him after you are comfortable with Keltie. And if it goes right or wrong… reward as if it was perfect and then don’t try again til the next session with him.
>> just need to figure out what is best to work on now and what I should save for later.
Definitely the connection work – I am bugging everyone about t because it it is the make-or-break on the run for all of us 🙂 When the connection is fully into your muscle memory, everything else is soooo much easier 🙂
Let me know what you think!
TracyAwww thanks!!! You have done all the work to get him feeling happy in the ring and going fast fast fast!!! Plus your connection is looking GREAT 🙂
T
Good morning! Nice job sorting out the layering here!
Looking at the videos:
Video 1:
Nice! She read the line really well and the placed toy helped provide a good focal point. It was a little close to the jump, so she knocked the bar going for it, Try having it a little further, maybe another 10 feet away so she can land and drive to it.Video 2 – looked good here too! And the toy placement looked a little further away so she didn’t touch the bar on the way to it on the first rep.
On the 2nd and 3rd reps, the toy was off the line so she skipped the jump. Placing it right than throwing it will help – that is easier than moving the jump 🙂 The placement was much better on rep 3 and 4 and she got it.Video 3 – On the first rep, a strong connection to her eyes on the exit of the wrap then acceleration forward to the next jump will get her to set the line to the Go (rather than looking forward). And keep that connection as you give her the hip or go verbals – at :40 you turned your shoulders away before she was committed to passing the tunnel, so that plus being decelerated pulled her off the line.
Video 4 – your exit of the first wrap had good connection! Your cue for the 2nd jump is a lateral send here (same as previous video) so she is correctly reading a collection cue on that jump. So drive her forward more – the send is for the layering, so you will need to drive forward to jump 2 and 3 for longer to get her on the line. He was not just scoping the toy, she was reading the handling as you saw on the last rep (the toy was not on the ground and she still read the lateral send.
I also think hip is a little vague – it means “take the jump”, yes? So a GO verbal might be better for her, because that would mean ”take the jump and go straight”
Video 5:
At :05 you had more forward motion to set the line to the layering and it totally helped her know to go out to the green jump – nice!!!
The cue at :44 was more of the lateral send – you sent to 2 and then turned your shoulders away from the line and towards the tunnel exit so she took that line. The go verbal is good here, so you can support it with more facing and ,moving towards the layering line, like you did at :50 and 1:16, those were great!
Video 6: The first rep looked really good, in terms of setting the line and facing it long enough to get her on it. Same with 1:30! And also the last re at 2:12 – really strong!!! Compare it to 1:14, which was more decelerated and looked more like a lateral send so it pulled her off the line.
Video 7:
Getting into the layering is looking good!
Adding the threadle – pretend the tunnel is not there and move your feet too 🙂 You were handling it more like a gamble with a line restriction, but you can start moving to the next line as soon as you ge her turned properly – otherwise it ends up being too stationary with hands pointing, which is why she was uncertain.O n the other reps, you were doing the verbal me me me cue but the physical cue was all forward facing so she didn’t know about the threadle. You were good with the timing and had arms happening too on the last rep, but I think this is a brand new skill – so trying it while layering a tunnel is too much for now – take th layering out of the picture and doing from up close, to teach her the skill. I liked back at what the cue was to come in at :16 and you put your hands together at the reward, so she looked at you – she might have been thinking you were throwing the toy 🙂
Answering the questions from the post:
>>what could I have done to make it clearer that it was Jump, not tunnel.better but she still wanted the tunnel, not enough support?
When you had more motion and faced the layering line, she got it every time. When you sent to the jump before the layer and then turned and faced the tunnel, she read it as a tunnel cue because the send-and-go is a collection cue. So move into it more, getting more acceleration and face the layering line longer.
>>how is timing on the “get it?”
Good!
>>Also, is it one go per jump?
I prefer to just yell go go go as often as possible on these lines, so it might end up being multiple go verbals per jump 🙂
>>attempted to do some “behind my back drop toss” with mixed success.
Yes, that was too distracting for her in terms of where to look. Placing it in advance or throwing it were better options.
>>Will I need to keep my arm up on layering or will I be able to have it be lower as time goes on?
You will be able to have it lower, I am not even sure you need it up now 🙂 Once she is on the line, she stays on the line so it is more a matter of getting her out to the layering line.
Nice job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
