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Perfect! The dog-side arm looked great in all the clips except for when you had the toy in your hand as the reward. So, toy on the ground solves the problem 🙂
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>>Karena had just let me know that something had been deleted in my post to make it nonsensical. I don’t even remember what my question was.>>
Ha! Did you ever play Mad Libs as a kid? It reminded me of this:
“Do you think changing the _____noun__________ so I get would help the tunnel entry with the rear?” LOL!
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He was on fire! Speedy and loving the toy!
>> I really want to have the toy in my hand, I changed hands 🤦‍♀️ Is that why he came around me?>>
Correct – at :09 you switched the toy which made getting connection late after the cross, then you were backing up a bit and he was just moving too fast. He wasn’t even looking at the toy, just trying to figure out where to be. So don’t switch the toy! Squish it up in you hand and leave it there, and keep practicing the reward across the body mechanics:
The rest looked great!!!
Tracy
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>>she discovered a mole running along one of the tunnels. I’ve trained her for ignoring toys, treats, other dogs, delivery folks, other people (including her human daddy) but I’ve never had the opportunity to train for ignoring moles. It raced to its hole and Keiko was beside herself….and lost to me.>>
Ah! She is a noodle! LOL!!! Darned dogs LOL!
Nice job working through the options in the walk through!
Yes, the BC 7-8 would have worked where you walked it, but that threadle-rear (threadle wrap, flick-ish move 🙂 ) also works well!She did really well here! She was great about balancing the layered line 1-2-3-4 with the tunnel-jump discrim at 7, both times! Yay! Yes, it looks like you forgot the plan or a moment at 8 on the first run, but nailed it on the 2nd run. You can show her the threadle-rear starting sooner, before she even takes off for 7. And she was GREAT about sending back out to the layered line and finding the 9 tunnel after that – a really excellent balance of handler focus and line focus.
Hopefully Keiko has given up (or found :)) the mole and she can try it tomorrow! Nice work here!
TracyHi!
>>In the opening, I didn’t consider that my pre-placed toy to help him on the teeter would be on his line for the opening. Oops.>>
A brilliant plan gone slightly awry LOL! A stronger turn-away cue might have made it work? You were kind of still pointing that direction as he took off for 3, so he was not entirely wrong LOL! He was very good to stay on the teeter when you moved past it at :35! His RDW hit might have been a little high on the way to it, it was hard to see at this angle.
>>. I didn’t get my arm up in time the first time. It worked absolutely perfectly the second time. Unfortunately my videographer (Jen, lol) didn’t have the camera positioned appropriately to see. She says she vouches as a witness that it worked perfectly.
Even though I couldn’t see him weave, I could see your shoulders – you were good on the first rep, the outside shoulder was visible but it was not clear enough for a young dog. The 2nd rep was VERY strong and he nailed it. Yay!
>>I was so excited about the weaves I forgot to focus on the front cross bit.>>
Yes – remember to add decel before the rotation 🙂
VERY nice send and layering to get to the jump past the a-frame! You can play with having your hands lower on the takeoff side, more of a “stop sign” with direct eye contact to him to get more collection and less of an arm swoosh to the jump to get commitment there (because it also gets more extension than we need from him).
Did they whistle you off after that? Rude. LOL!!!!! Just kidding 🙂
On the 2nd video:
Nice teeter!!
Giving him LOTS of go tunnel verbals as you peeled away was very effective, you were a little too quiet on the first try but perfect on the next one. It was interesting that he had trouble with a somewhat straightforward weave entry – slowing down is needed and clearly that is no his favorite thing 🙂 He got it later in the session and made a big effort to get into the entry, good boy!The next line and the RDW looked great! The FC on the jump after the RDW (:44 and 1:23 ) was late so the bar came down – there is so much propulsion off that dog walk that you can start the FC basically as soon as his front feet touch the ground after the DW, which will set you up to be in position to drop your hands in front of the next jump (and make a pretty direct eye contact with him) to get collection there too. That differs from the FC after the a-frame, because your position was not as clear to him – so while the timing was really good, it pulled him off he line because you were too far from it.
Looks like you were going for the slice on the backside in front of the tunnel but this is one of the rare places that the backside circle is a better option: he can stay in extension to the other backside wing, do a quick circle, then get the tunnel – to get the threadle to the backside slice, he has to slow down so much to make the turn on the jump before it that the circle will end up being faster.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyYes, that is correct for the lateral line! She did really well! And also correct, you might want to put a line on the ground because you are running towards her (or out a wing out there for you to run towards so you don’t push into her line).
The serps are are going well – the only spot she has a question about is jumping into you when you are standing still and she has to turn to her left. (like the 3rd to last and 2nd to last reps). So on that setup (your left arm is the serp arm there) – hold the position longer and reward her lots of coming into you. She had no trouble jumping towards you when you were standing still and turning right on the last rep, that looked great! And she did really well finding the jump and turns on the moving lines. Super!
She was definitely thinking things through with the zig-zag grid! And that is fine, this grid is definitely a puzzle!
It might have been that the target was placed slightly off the line so she was not sure if she was supposed to go around the jumps or over them? But she figured put to go over them 🙂 It was stil la hard grid, so you can do another session just like this one (being sure the target is visible over the bars, and move it about 6 feet further away so she can land and take another stride to it). When she is not having to think as hard, we can add challenge:>>I’m sure what you meant….for later about tightening it up. When she’s bouncing confidently, what way do I move the jumps?>>
The first thing I suggest is to change her line up position: rather than facing straight to the first jump like she was here, move her over so she is sitting parallel to the wing of the first jump and then, on the release, will have more of a sideways approach to jump 1 (like she would on a serp or backside slice).
When she is confidently bouncing that, the goal becomes to gradually flatten out the jumps into a more regular looking serp by taking the outer wings and moving them away from each other while the inner wings remain in the same spot.
Great job here! Have fun!
TracyHi! I love the overhead view!!
This is going really well! On the Go lines, he is driving out ahead but one tweak you can make is to try to make the rhythm, pitch and delivery of tunnel and GO sound different. Right now they are similar and flow together, so you can change intensity and pitch of GO to make it less smooth and more explosive (higher in pitch or whatever feels comfy :)) The wrap cues sound very different and the left/right cues sound different too, so we can do the same with tunnel and Go.
He is reading the left and right really well!! So now you can add in running more, so the running is not only for the Go cue – you can get the left and right while running, and showing him the change in running line/path while saying the verbals.
It think he is having a question about tunnel commitment on the rear cross when there is handler pressure on the line – the best timing/handler position was at 1:12 when Mike was right on his line and he popped out of the tunnel. When you did not pressure the line as much, the direction of turn was more iffy (like at :53). He got them here on the other reps, but I would like to see him let you put more pressure on the RC line which would then allow you to be closer to him for the RC (and ultimately not end up as far behind on course).
So, 2 ideas for that:
shorten the tunnel so it is easier to get through than the full 20 footer here. And, move the entry wing angle to less of a slice: It the tunnel entry is 12 on a clock, the outer wings are a 3 and 9 (with the other wing at 6). Move outer wings to 5 and 7, so they are closer to the other wing – that will allow you to wrap the wing then drive to the RC while showing the pressure, but on a less severe line so it will be easer for him to commit to the tunnel (even with you on his tail) and turn to the correct direction. Ideally, you would have already crossed his path to the new side before he even enters the tunnel. When he is comfy with that with the wings at 5 and 7, you can move that to 4 and 8 and try it, then back to where they are now (3 and 9).Let me know if that makes sense!
>> Do you think changing the so I get would help the tunnel entry with the rear?>>
Either I am undercaffeinated, or you left out a noun, or both LOL! I am not sure of the question here 🙂 Let me know what I am missing 🙂
Great job here!
TracyHi! Glad you made it home, finally!
>>should I go back and work on those? send you a video of us working on those? work my way through the packages in order? jump in at package 4? I need some direction please.>>
You are welcome to send videos of the verbals in progress if you like, but the physical cues are important too. As you jump back in, I would start with these:
Evolution Skills Challenges: Discrimination Skills With Motion
Have fun!
TracyHi!
Yes, both of the courses looked really good except for the one spot that was obvious 🙂
On the first part of the video (course 2):
Try to layer that opening line (3-4-5-6) while you stay on the other side of 8, so then you are *rightthere* to handle 6- 7 🙂 By running the loop with her, you were either accelerating forward to 6 (which got the tunnel) or hitting the brakes too hard (which got the refusal) You said left on the first run, but you can give more physical support like a decel (not a rotation, just decel) an maybe a brake arm).
The decel helped on the re-start when she got it! On the 2nd full run – were you calling her name in that spot? JoJoJo and GoGoGo sounded a lot alike – I think she agreed LOL! Left is a better choice for the verbal, or extending her name to be jooooseeeeeee.
Little tiny details to smooth out other parts:
Take one more step to drive in more to 9, it is a bit of a push away. Then, tell her how you want her to exit the 13 tunnel (go cue). You can add in decel on the 15-16 line, to set up 17 as a back side (you sent her to the front).Course 2
This also looked good! Remember to connection all the way back to her eyes on the blind cross exits, especially 4-5, so she can see the new line immediately.The hard part was the 11 backside. On the first run, you blocked her line to 10 while setting up the backside RC (2:17) so she almost pushed away to the 14 jump. To get the backside rear, let her see the wing fully, and wait there (if you are ahead) til she passes you, then round your line past the wing to move to the takeoff side and center of the bar.
2nd time through, with the blind to the threadle: the BC started late (she was in the air at 10, it should be finished before takeoff) but more importantly – keep moving straight past the wing in this scenario as you do the threadle (which are do you use for that? Dog side arm swinging back or cross arm?) You finished the BC and turned to the front of the jump with your left arm out, so she correctly took the front.
Your running line on the rep at 2:58 was MUCH better, more straight towards the a0frame so she would have room to get to the correct side (which she did!), but the BC was late (started at takeoff to 10) which made the threadle arms late (should have been visible when she takes off for 10). So to get the threadle, you would need to leave the 9 tunnel a lot sooner to be further ahead to do the blind sooner (starting the BC when she exits the 9 tunnel so you are finished and showing threadle cues when she takes off for 10. That might not be possible unless you you can get the 7-8-9 line entirely on verbals. I think the backside RC was a good choice there!
>>Need to work my ininin at a higher state of arousal, she’s not getting it at trials>>
It might be an arousal issue at trials, but it is definitely a timing issue here 🙂 Try giving the cue 10-15 feet sooner and see how she does!
One small detail on the throwback at 14 (2:25) after the weaves – you don’t need the right arm at all there, you can just drop your left arm in at the takeoff spot and she will drive directly to the jump and collect even more. The right arm coming up high then swooshing her to 14 got too much extension, and the softer, lower cues of the left arm only will get great collection.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
The serp work is going well!>>I messed up on this and totally forgot to do the 2 jumps from a stay before doing it with the wrap on the first jump into the serp.
They work on separate elements, so as long as you try all the different parts, it doesn’t matter as much which order you do them in 🙂
On the first video: She is reading the line pretty well, but we can get it more serpy: I think I like the toy placement on the ground best for her – when it was in your hand, she was running across your feet a bit, towards the toy, especially when you had the 3 jumps going: so while she was coming in over serp jump, she was not turning back out and it was more of a 180. Toy on the ground will make that clearer for her.
Also, a question: are you going to use the cross arm for th eserps, or the dog-side arm? By having her come to the reward in your hand, it ended up being a cross arm cue. So if you are using the dog-side arm and not the cross arm, have the toy on the ground and that will allow you to open up the serp arm more clearly, and also get that 2nd turn on the serp jump.On the 2nd video, I think my question about arms is answered: dog-side arm. So definitely have the toy on the ground, which will also help her question about pushing away to the backside of the 2nd jump (a pretty commonerror with baby BCs :)) Great job angling the jumps immedilately when you saw that, so she could very quicklyget the correct serp line without you changing the handling.
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Looking at the tunnel video: I think the main difference here on the tunnel videos was that on the previous video, you started with all sorts of running through the tunnel reps before adding the rears, so he was warmed up and jazzed up about the tunnels. This video starts on the rears – was this the beginning of the session? If so, he was not really driving for the tunnels, which made the RCs harder because he didn’t go through them. So you would want to start with more driving through the tunnels rather than the rears. If it is was the end of the session, he might have been tired of it.
>> I am thinking shorten the tunnel up significantly and slow down my motion
You can shorten the tunnel but also throw the reward to the exit of the tunnel – the reward was coming right near you, which might be contributing to why he was not committing to it. But don’t slow down your motion, as that will pull him off the tunnel even more. Stick closer to the start wing and accelerate your motion, so he sees the motion cue to run through the tunnel. And if he is having a hard time with the RCs for whatever reason, go back to lots of non-rear-cross tunneling so that he gets lots of reinforcement at the exit for driving away from you.
The lead out session went well! The stay was good on the cot and GREAT on the flat! Nice! He read all of the handling really well. You can release while moving for the blinds, rather than stand still then release then move. The reason for that is to show him the turn sooner (you can connect back to his eyes more on the blind) and if you are standing still then releasing, the first thing he sees is a straight line acceleration which will cause him to lock onto 2 going straight (not expecting the turn).
Be cause he does so well with the stay, you can lead out further, all the way to #3, for the throw backs: that way your position/lack of motion cues the turn at 2 without you having to do much at all. Then when he approaches 2, all you need to do is drop your hand back towards 3.
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>We really struggled and not much went well.
Plenty went well! There were lots of moments where things were really strong, to compare to the oopsie moments. And even the heat, Sprite was moving really well!
Looking at the videos:
On big lead out to the throw back, she is reading the lines 1-2-3 REALLY well. Great stay, great line reading, great commitment. YES!
The main thing to look at is, yes, the connection on the exits 🙂
In a nutshell – when you didn’t connect and tried to show the line with the shoulder closed forward and dog-side arm at your side, she had to kind of guess (like at :14 and :23). But when you remembered to use the reward-across-the-body approach to get the dog-side arm back? Perfect! (more on that below)
So plan that in advance – any time you have to handle a cross exit, or a lead out push – have the reward-across-the-body approach ready as part of the handling.
FFCs – you started off moving a bit too soon
then when you were stationary, shaking your hand helped her a lot (NOT taking the front of the jump is a relatively new concept, same when you changed sides and did the threadle too) But you got it and then the sequence at 1:06 looked great!On the throwbacks – I think you were making it harder by adding the spin on the exit when it should be a FC exit to throwback with the left and pick up on the left.
The footwork is not the most important element, it is more about where you look and move your hand – as you step back, look at the desired landing spot and point your hand back to it (on the opposite wing). It is easier to use the hand closer to the jump. You were using the opposite arm and an upper body rotation which is fine too (that’s more in the OMD style).
You were good with the indication at 1:26 but then tried to get the spin/blind so fast she reacted and tried to back jump (there is no blind needed there, pick her up on your left for a clearer line). Tat might be why she kept back jumping if you got a lot of that? Even when we do want the spins, you don’t need to be that quick, you can move away on the throw back arm then do the blind element further up the line (and do the arm-across-the-body approach to connection here too because it is a cross exit).
Speaking of the arm-across-the-body approach… at
2:22 – you had a disconnection after the spin by trying to use the dog-side arm & closed shoulder. Compare it to the arm across the body approach at 2:40 – great connection! Same at 2:52!!! Try to have that as part of the cue every time you did a cross exit, it looked great.2nd video – good transition into the wrap turns!!! The exits are crosses so… use that arm across the body approach 🙂 At :09 you didn’t use it, and your arm moves forward, connection breaks, she ends up on the other line. Note the difference at :19 when you used the arm across the body approach – lovely connection 🙂 At :31 – nice too!
I think the rear crosses needed more motion – the diagonal line pressure is a big part of the cue, and she was not getting that here at :42 and :51 because you were relatively stationary. Move forward towards the center of the bar more (start her further back if needed) and then you can show her the diagonal – cutting in behind her is not as important as the diagonal line pressure.
Overall, this was a useful session because it really got some work done showing her what the FFC and forced threadle were all about, and got some great work in on building up more muscle memory on the connections! Keep working those, try to practice the arm-across-the-body approach every single time. Great job!
TracyGood morning! SO MUCH good stuff here – you are really driving her, and that helps – I was sweating just watching you LOL!
Round 1: The line after the DW looked great! She was beginning to get some serious acceleration away from you. On the next part of the sequence, you can stay with her on the teeter exit so she can accelerate past you. The way you handled it was great (getting ahead to set the line) but that doesn’t let her drive ahead of you because you are in send & go mode.
One note: Be careful with the go word – at :15 you send her into the tunnel with a big go go go go, but then do a tight blind on the exit so there was no go LOL!
Next section: At 1:12 and 1:33 she had really good acceleration when you did NOT lead out, she had to drive ahead of you from the start – 1st rep was good, 2nd rep was GREAT. You can reward the tunnel exit there rather than the frame (you were ahead again on the frame ).
Holy cow she was fast at the end of round 2. WOW!
Round 3, running it all – this looked great! From a handling perspective, you were sending and leaving which is great for the handling but doesn’t get her ahead of you (she was chasing you for most of it, which is good but doesn’t isolate the driving ahead skill). So you can modify the handling choices here to deliberately get closer to lines so she then drives away ahead of you (like after the teeter) or you can hang out on the wrap exits on purpose for an extra heartbeat or two, so she can catch up to you then pass you. That is the next step to all of this: the catch-up-then-pass you moments.
She was also incredibly fast at the end here, I had to check that the video was in real time and not fast forward LOL!
Very nice!!! So on the future course work, look at the handling from 2 perspectives: where can you send her and leave to get ahead, so she is in speedy chase-the-handler mode? And, where can you go in closer to the line than you normally would, so you can reward her for passing you?
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
The sits are going well – she is responding with a slight delay (because it is HARD) so maybe do this without the agility obstacles around. By moving towards the agility obstacles, she has to decide to sit or take the obstacle, and we don’t need for her to have to think about that yet LOL! The next step now is to let her get fully settled in the sit while you continue to move 2 or 3 more steps… then reward (rather than rotate towards her immediately to reward). You will probably have to move slowly to get this started, then you can add more and more motion.>>Do you have thougth about Changtse’s wowrking on Mountain Climbers at this point, should she be doing some pre something first?>>
She seemed very confident on the planks and wobble boards, if I remember correctly. So as long as the teeter is very secure and will not move at all, you can do the beginning steps of mountain climbers where you place a reward at the end of the teeter, then move with her up the board. She will let you know how she feels about it, which will tell you how quickly (or not :)) you can move forward with the game.
Nice work! Stay cool!
Tracy
