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Lots go lovely work here – these are challenging skills and he did a great job!!!On the first video, he read the exit of all the blinds really well! This will be a useful tool in the toolbox for sure to get your turns AND stay ahead.
He did have some questions about the threadle wrap at the beginning – after watching the whole thing, I htink it came down to the rhythm and body cues of the threadle slices looking too similar to the threadle wraps. You can help him on the wraps with decels and a hand flip – I use a shoulder rotation too to help set up the turn and make it looked super different. At 2:20 working the bigger sequence, you made it look SUPER different and it was GREAT! Plus, you had a little decel there too and it really helped him get tight on the turn – you are so far ahead there, you can set the turn without rushing away.
The push wraps looked strong – you can add a bit more decel and a little brake hand (opposite hand before he passes you) to ask for a bit more collection.
And yes, left might be harder but he turned to his left really well as you did the big sequence! I think it is a cue question more than a side preference question.
Looking at the big sequence: this also went well!
I think the #4 jump was the hardest part LOL!
At 1:41 he ran past 4 – you deceled and turned but didn’t really move, so he ran past to get a better look at what was happening LOL! You can send to 3 before he passes you and leave for the area of 5, cuing 4 and then watching him to see when he looks at it. You got it at 1:52 by standing still, by sending sooner to 3 (before he passes you after 2) will set the line and allow you to keep moving). Note how early you sent & left at 2:15 to get to the blind, that was his best line to 4! Sending even sooner to 3 will get a better turn over 3.The push wrap here looked good! He jumped them really well! Make sure you don’t block the wing, because that means he has to run around you (2:07).
Nice job on the blind to threadle wrap at 2:20, very clear connected cues, patient but fast, just lovely. YAY!
He definitely understands the push to slice challenge like the backside serp or German turns. When setting up for the German, you can run closer to 3 and decelerate to cue the turn (approx timing for him would be about 1 stride after landing of 2 t see the decel) then send to 4 and move to the exit wing off 5. At 2:28 you ended up a bit too lateral and had to stop, which caused a zig zag on 4.
He read the threadle element really well on the last 2 reps! I think finding the line from 4 to the threadle was hard, he was thinking about the front side of 5 for a moment. You can give the threadle cue one stride sooner (before liftoff for 4) plus I think with more experience he will not ask about the front side, based on your line (as long as you don’t push to the front side).Under the DW: Yes, the red dog likes the distance! YAY!!! I think you can now try to hand back even more, not going past where your wings were placed on the tunnel.
The hardest part was the 5 jump here:
:41 he ran past 5, you can use your motion coming back down the line and earlier & repeated verbals (directional like a right verbal and a jump cue). You had more arm on the next rep so keep the arm, but add in motion as well as big verbals when he is approaching 4 (before landing so he knows to look for 5)You can add in a turn cue on the tunnel entry to get a better turn to the wrap (SO MANY WORDS lol). You can also turn him the other way on the wrap jump so he has a better line back to the tunnel, if you can get the turn on the tunnel exit to set it up nicely.
And let him see the change of your motion line and hear your turn verbal (his name worked best) before he goes into the tunnel the last time to get the last jump and not the #3 jump). Parallel motion top the lions as he entered and exited the tunnel plus Go at 1:15 got the off course. Your use of name call and shoulder turn really helped get that last jump when it was early and often with the tunnel entry 🙂 Also, try to make sure your name call is calm and less urgent – urgent loud verbals get a lot of go to whatever line they seeThat tunnel-weave under the dog walk looked great, it is SUCH a popular high level challenge! YAY!!!!
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Congrats on baby dog’s first fun run!!! SO AWESOME!!!! Keep me updated about the FEO next week, he is ready for it. And at least you won’t have the hurricane that appears to be bearing down on the US Open.Looking at the video:
WOW he looks great here!!! He has made big progress in finding the big lines AND processing the verbals!
>>I think we was pretty patterned to the sequence by the third session so I don’t think he was really working away in a sense.
I think that either way, it was great! Lots of success and a huge confidence booster for him to go fast and work with distance and turn tight too!! NICE!!!
I only have little details to add:
When you work the Go lines but you are not moving (stuck behind a dog walk haha) you can repeat the verbal so support the line verbally because motion doesn’t support it, and we don’t want him to start to second-guess if you get quiet.He did REALLY well with the out after the tunnel! You can start saying it before he goes into the tunnel and say it while he is in, and again after he exits 🙂 Early and often! I think Karena was sometimes saying “right” but the right verbal is more of a jump commitment cue (jump and turn right) rather than a turn on the flat cue, so the out cue was more effective (and the right turn here on the tunnel should theoretically produce too tight of a turn).
I like that Mike used the Right verbal on the #4 jump after the out, but it was a little too urgent when he pulled off of the jump. Remember to keep those softer turns paired with softer verbals.
Speaking of urgent strong verbals:
He did better on that very last jump when you are bot h quieter and more of a “jump” cue rather than GO GO GO. The GO verbal has a similar urgency to the out verbal, and he likes the out verbal a lot plus he just did it a bunch. So the name call before the tunnel entry then a jump verbal is going. To help him find that last jump and not do the out jump again.He was really lovely on the wraps after the tunnel (front and back) and also was GREAT when you asked him to NOT take the tunnel. Yay! If you have access to a dog walk, you can put it over the tunnel here and work the simple pieces too! I like to work the simple pieces of this challenge before the dog walk gets too exciting because that way the dog walk is less of a distraction.
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! You can play with the DW restriction stuff, and also the jump-tunnel discrimination can be done at a walk-ish since she has a good stay!
>>Whatever works for you is fine. I just wanted to let you know why I’m not posting like usual. I think I’m better and then try to run…and I’m not.>>
Better to let it heal up! And the forum notifies me when you post, so I am happy to come look whenever you post 🙂
Tracy
Hi!
>>Jump training will be put on hold for a little while. Promise got spayed on Friday. She is doing very well and today has decided she is perfectly well and this crate/cage rest is a huge injustice! It’s going to be a long recovery . It’s never a good time to schedule these things, but now was a good time in terms of competition and in preventing another heat which she does not do well with at all.>>
Yes, there is never a good time to do it but it is a good thing to do 🙂 I like my boy dogs intact but my girl dogs spayed LOL! I am sure she will make a quick recovery and will be angry that she didn’t get to play LOL!
>>I think potter and Annalise will get to take my working spot in the two week class>>
Great idea! We are going to keep it open til Thanksgiving, so it is a but longer than 2 weeks LOL!
She did well with the slow motion parts of the session here, I totally agree.
>>I thought it went really well at the slower speed and then started getting sloppy with fatigue and increased motion. >>
I don’t think it was fatigue of the Hund end muscles, I think maybe it was a brain explosion from having to run past the reward target? That seemed to be all that she could thing about LOL!! I bet she has no trouble with it next time 🙂Next time on the backside circles, we can add more of your motion – rather than standing still, you will walk forward into it, with you heading to where the wing meets the bar so she can see the wing. As she passes you can turns her head, you will slowly walk forward past the wing, still asking her to sit til released then go t the reward target. You will have to move very slowly 🙂 because we are challenging her to organize with counter motion.
>>I’m guessing these activities will be the perfect activities to start with slowly once she gets released by her vet.>>
Yes, especially the very beginning ones with just the platform. But they are core-heavy and if you did a traditional spay, her core is going to be sore 🙂 so my guess is that you will want to wait a minimum of 14 days and maybe more.
Great job here! Let m know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>I had to switch to a Cato Board for the slicing exercises as my Aerobic Step was sliding in the dirt as Street was pushing off and I didn’t want him to hurt himself or get scared. It’s wider than the Aerobic Step but he still organizes pretty well.
Yes, the Cato plank went really well!!!
>>He is a bit slow sitting on some reps but I think he is anticipating the release.>>
Yes – a slight delay because he was thinking ‘forward’ and his brain waves had to travel to his butt 😁
One thing I noticed on all of these was that he was either thinking REALLY hard or he was a bit stiff in the hind end, kind of keeping his back feet together as he moved more than I remember him doing on grass. Maybe it was the different footing, or maybe he has been partying too much lately LOL! But give him a bit of a massage and see if he feels tight anywhere.
He did really well with the front side slices! I think you can trigger the MM sooner, so he looks at you even less. You can click it as soon as his butt sits on the Cato plank because there is a slight delay between the click of it and the grinding noise, so then the release will happen with perfect timing to get him looking at the MM.
The next step can be to add more speed with you moving faster, or another 2 inches to the height of the bar (but not added speed from you. Both are good to work on, you can start with a bit more speed from you then raise the bar and do a couple of reps with less speed from you, all in one short session.
The backside wraps are going well – he is organizing as we want him to and looked pretty balanced on both sides. He was a little forward on a couple of the right turns but he fixed that pretty quickly. The bar down at about :20 was just because you were in the way but you fixed it on the other reps.
He was able to pass the cookies that were already placed in the bowl towards the end of the session, but there was a LOT of thinking about that happening LOL!! So you can put the MM in that cookie target spot, he seems better able to ignore it.So now the next step here is to keep you moving, slowly, the whole time. Move towards where the backside positional cue (where the wing and the bar meet, so you are not blocking the wing) til he is past you, then you will slowly move forward past the wing (while he does the sit then release on the Cato plank). That is what the handling cue will look like, so we can now challenge him to continue to organize himself while you keep moving. You might find it easier if you send him to a wing before it, so you both are in motion right away.
On the backside slices:
AS with the other skills, remember to stay in motion so that decel is not the cue to organize. Your motion can be very slow as long as it is steady the whole time . You were sometimes staying in motion, sometimes stopping with him, so we want to be consistent that you will always be moving.Of the 3 sessions here, was this the last one? This was the one session where he looked like he was carrying his hind end over the bar more than pushing off, so he was probably just fatigued. You can structure the training a little differently: since it is such a big workout, you can do 10 or 12 reps of any single skill (or split tat between 2 skills). If you want to do a circuit of several skills, limit to 3 or 4 reps of each skill on each side, so you stay under 20 reps total for the entire session. That will avoid fatigue and form change. I think he will be fine for this skill but you can start the next session with it so he can feel the power 🙂
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyOh wow! Congrats!!!! Sounds like he was AWESOME!!! I can see him being even faster in that pumped up environment 🙂 This is so exciting!!!
It is smart to NOT do anything else today. Tomorrow is perfect! And I am sure we will keep this forum open longer than the 2 weeks, to be sure everyone can get a chance to play 🙂
T
Yes! Now I remember! I will need to go watch that episode again. It wa such a good show.
Sorry to hear about your calf 🙁 Looking at the calendar – would it help if we kept the forum open til Thanksgiving? Let me know!
T
Good morning!
He did really well on all of these!
Looking at the jumping away from the course on seq 1:
The mark/focus forward looked like the tightest option, he jumped it well and you got far ahead. The throwback was too tight, good for wrap starts. The behind the back got more extension over jump 1 when he was pretty close to it to start… but towards the end of that section you were further from 1 and that worked better! He was not as tight as on the mark/focus forward, but you were further ahead and I believe he was faster 🙂The slicing starts to the threadle also looked good. You can start him a little further from jump 1 there for a little more power into the first jump, but he jumped it all really well and his turns looked great – especially when you did the FC on jump 2! NICE!!!
The last section was jumping towards the course on the slice angle. That went well too 🙂 His only question was at 1:55 where you sent from a distance that is a little outside his comfort zone. You needed to be maybe 2 more steps closer to the 2nd jump like the other reps as you sent him (and send before he passes you). This is a good spot to work, because you can extend the distance on his send by starting where he is comfortable (maybe 3 meters from the jump) then gradually work getting further and further away from it as you send & reward, so you can extend the distance away on the sends up to 5 or 6 meters.
Great job! Let me know how the next sections go!
TracyHi!
I’m so glad he is feeling better!!!! And it sounds like sequence 1 went well 🙂
Sequence 2 looked really good on the video! He was definitely acting more like himself: fast and ball crazy!!!!
He found the lines beautifully. You can try him more on the jump 3 backside: make sure he can see the wing, with you on the landing side. Then when he passes you, you can look at and point to the landing spot while you move forward past the wing to get ahead of him.Great job!!! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Sounds like he did really well at the seminar! Super!!!!!!And the 3 jump session here looked really strong too. His stay looks awesome 🙂 and he is doing a great job with the zig zags!!!
>>He did well, though the off side he still doesn’t get – a project on it’s own I guess.>>
Yeah, but not a high priority at all. He would have to jump away from you to get jump 1, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense to the dogs. Having him jump towards you on 1 like all the other reps makes more sense to him and he looked good!
Since this looked really strong and we don’t quite have enough moving target room, I’d say the next session is the 2 jump backsides, with a reward target placed in advance so he can go past you. That will also have more handler motion, which he is definitely ready for!
Great job!
TracyHi! This is looking great!!
She is finding the line really well and doing the proper zig zags 🙂 Super!!
The MM is helpful for keeping her head down. Ypu can click it sooner: as soon as she lands between 1 and 2, and before she looks at you.When you are going the other direction, try to also have something in the reward target before you release her (so she doesn’t look at you at all) or you can bring the MM to the other side too!
The next step is to flatten the angle, by moving the outer wings of the jump further from each other, an inch at a time. And you can also see if she will play with a toy as the reward target, so we can use it as the moving target.
Great job!!
TracyHi there!
Sorry about all the rain!!! But these sessions looked good 🙂
The magical cream cheese moving target works like a charm! Super!!! I think you’ll definitely be able to use that.And the head turning is looking really strong – he is really turning so nicely! His left turns might be a little better but they both looked really good 🙂
When is the rain scheduled to stop? I am excited to see the cream cheese target on the Zigzags!!
Great job 🙂
TracyGood morning!
Maisy was DEFINITELY happy to do this with you! And I think we are seeing jumping improvement already, thanks to your training. YAY!!!!Looking at the 1st set of sequences: I think the throwback options where you are rotated are terrific for her. She is able to get a nice tight turn AND keep the bars up!
You did a throwback on a low bar on rep 1, looked good! She ticked the bar but that was just her getting things sorted out.On the 2nd rep, you died a send but she was too close to the jump so didn’t get organized in time. You had her more settled and looking at the jump for rep 3 and again at rep 6, she was looking at the bar more, and they both looked good!
The other throwback reps (rep 4, rep 5) looked great! She was also REALLY strong with her jumping on the circle wraps on the backside of 3. And I think there was only one bar down on jump 3 (on rep 4) because you decelerated and threw the toy. When you powered through jump 3 (front or back) she was perfect 🙂
On the 2nd sequence with the threadley opening: She did well with jump one and was coming through nicely to jump 2 when you rotated. That’s a clear cue for her! And since you were already rotated, you can use a throw back on jump 2 (this is what I did with my big dog in the demo video) rather than rotate towards her to bring her in then rotate again to face 2. When you rotated again to face 2, she would brush the inside wing of jump 2 with her shoulder or bum (hard to see which it was). Jump 3 also looked good – she had one bar down on the backside circle wrap but that was towards the end and maybe an bout of fatigue? You can work on those in the other class too 🙂 But she finished on a perfect jumping effort there!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
I don’t know him that well, but he looked pretty enthusiastic in the 2 reps here! Was he not feeling into it in the other reps? You can post more reps, maybe I can see why he wasn’t into as an outside observer.
On the first video, he was doing really well and found the line! When you were cuing jump 2, you were looking forward ahead of him so he knew it was jump 2, but he was not sure if it was slice or wrap. Try to keep looking at him and not at the jump, as you move to the outer wing of jump 2. It will feel weird to run forward but looking at him 🙂 But will work really well because he can see your shoulders better.
He found the slice nicely on jump 2! He looked happy to be playing with the ball and he held the stay nicely (even though he was pumped up!). You needed to be one more step past jump 1 to release, to set the line to jump to. He had a question because you were a little behind, but your connection was good here!
Keep me posted on how he is feeling!!! Looking forward to the next reps 🙂
TracyGood morning!
Lots of really good work here!!!
>> For the zig zags, we kept the same angles and the 10” height – she seemed fine – consistent, as far as I can see?
Yes, she did great! In fact, it looked like she was powering more into a center landing spot towards the end of the session, and not landing as close to the bars. This is SUPER considering we are giving her absolutely zero momentum to get into the setup!!!!
So when you come back to these on Sunday or next week, you can choose your next adventure: either the 2 jump backsides using this angle (with her starting next to you where the wings meet, so you can send her to the backside), or with the 3 jump setup and the angles slightly more open (because it is harder).
For the backsides, you will be moving and not that far ahead, so I suggest the toy already placed out past the 2nd jump (12 to 15 feet past it) for her to drive to as you move, because you are not likely to be able to outrun her to get to moving target position, and also we don’t want her looking up at the toy in your hand.
For the 3 jump game, you can do the lead out and moving target you did here with the 2 jumps, that looked great.
>> Later we tried the organizers with the wing again, this time with a toy. I felt like this was better – she was more focused forward, but still (mostly) able to sit! I missed videoing a couple reps on the right side, but they looked a lot like these.>>
YEAH! She did well here! The toy is the magic focal point, and extra credit that it matched the jump wing LOL!
When she was on your left… looking good! It was harder on your right at first (she even offered being on your left, which was clever LOL!) but you slowed things down a little and then she sorted it out. Perfect!
So next steps would be to move the toy reward more fully around the wing, and to add the jump bar in. This probably means doing it outside, so before the bar goes in you will want to refresh this skill in the great outdoors because things are different outdoors (and no cats available to help haha)Great job! Let me know how she does in the next steps!
Tracy
