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Hi again!
DEFINITE steam exiting ears for Kaladin on the first couple! And also when you changed sides. Independent entries are hard!! But after seeing it once or twice, he was then able to start driving in did well.
The really hard soft sided entries (dog on left) are definitely good ones to work on, like the angle you did at 1:15 and 1:24 – he had to really think about that! So don’t add speed to those angles yet. But I think with the other angles, you can add speed and RCs for him.For Min – these are already looking much more independent! You did a great job of not over-helping. 🙂 You just sent and left. She had the same trouble on the same entry as Kaladin did, so definitely revisit that one with her and add more speed. And for her also, you can add more speed and the RCs on the other entries, it is just that challenging soft sided entry that is super hard.
Great job! Have fun a UKI this weekend!
TracyGood morning!
Layering is definitely a trained skill, so these sessions got you off to a good start.
For Kaladin – he was totally getting the idea and got better and better on each rep! You can place the toy rather than try to throw it, to both be a visual aid for him and to manage where the frisbee goes (It had a mind of its own sometimes LOL!)
From the handling perspective, he might propel into the layering with more of a ‘forward’ cue like a go go go on the jump or two before the layering moment, plus you starting really pretty close to the first jump and then accelerating into the line – then you can use the jump cues once he is layering. And try a tiny bit more connection but not a lot – it is a fine balance – so he doesn’t see your back and cut into the tunnel, but also the slightly “closed” shoulder and high arm helps support the layer. I think on some reps, you were too forward-facing so he cut in because he thought it was a blind cross perhaps?Min, being more experienced, was happy to layer here! When you did a bit too much pointing forward (:18), she followed the turn of your shoulders but when you sent her into it more clearly before turning your shoulders (:23) she was great.
With both dogs, you had some ‘out’ verbals mixed in which is helpful, so yo can say them sooner (as she is approaching the jump *before* she has to pass the tunnel) and repeat them. And for both, don’t get quiet at all – when you got quiet with Min at 1:05 she came off the line with the layer (and yelled at you LOL) but was perfect at 1:14.
So for both – – a slightly more connected send with a lower arm gets them into the layer, and loud, repeated verbals definitely help support the line once they are in it 🙂
Great job! Onwards to weave games!
Tracy
Good morning!
I think she was a bit tunnel happy here at first LOL! Then she got jump happy 🙂You tried a couple of the things I would suggest – putting her on the side closer to the jump, standing, etc. I think standing helped a bit so for now, keep standing. I promise we will get you back in the chair soon LOL!!
The other thing that can help is if you move the jump a little further away from the tunnel for now, so it is less easy to take the tunnel when you want the jump (maybe 2 meters away?) The other thing to try is to have her line up between your feet, if possible – that way she is not trying to read handling based on which side she is on, she will have to listen to what you are saying because the handling won’t give her any real help. So, for now, try standing with her between your feet and moving the obstacles a bit further apart, and we can see how it goes!
Keep me posted :) Tracy
Hi!
Eek!!! The best sessions are always the ones where we forget to turn on the camera. Bummer!!!!!His teeter game looked really good! The really lateral line of motion was definitely hard for him: not a lot of heading checking, but he was slowing down a little on the more severe angles. So you can split the difference on those, and move away on less severe angles for now.
I know the MM was out there, but was there a target on the ground too? If so, you can move it closer to the edge of the teeter: having it a little further away was drawing him a bit too far forward, which was lifting his head and changing the teeter speed. If there was no target out there, you can try a toy instead of the MM, that might keep his head lower.
The blind session looked good!! On the double blinds here, you are stopping a bit after the first one: try to keep running the whole way through, no stopping 🙂 you had more motion on the FC-BC, which he read really well and the continued motion got you further up the line. So do the same with the blind: start it and hustle to wing 3, but with the same timing of the connection changes that you did here – the motion will help draw him past that middle wing even more. You can keep your arms in tight (wings in!)so the connection changes will be even quicker as you run up the line.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!!
He is doing well here – brain games are so hard!!! He had a really high rate of success!!!
It might help him even more if you have him between your knees, facing the jump/tunnel to start, so he isn’t facing you 🙂 – he was moving in the correct direction but because he was facing you, he wasn’t sure if he had permission to turn away and take the obstacle.
And if he gets a little frantic, have him do a sit for a cookie to reset, then try again.
Well done!!!! Let me know how his next session goes. 🙂
TracyHi!
>>She seemed fine afterwards.
Good! Let me know how the chiro visit went!
>> I had a suggestion to do grids from a friend. I don’t have any specific resources for that.>>
I generally do Susan Salo grids, but after the dog has a basic understanding, I move to a moving target. I will dig up some videos and add them here 🙂
>>Something I think that’s holding us back is that she doesn’t pass me (as pointed out by Shoshana Dos at a seminar), so it’s really hard to leave early. If I can get ahead, we’re extremely accurate, but I think most of our training to date has been her moving ahead on GO, or if I’m still and sending her, but as we run, she will pace me and look ate instead of moving past me to the next thing. I don’t know how to fix it, but I have to run her like a Havanese and she will mostly only go as fast as I do. It’s exhausting. Thoughts?>>
Oh yes that is a huge insight!!!! She needs to pass you on a send!!!! OK, let’s work on that. So for example, on sequence 4 of those first set of ESC sequences, we have the wrap on jump 9. Isolate that section, moving the wrap to just a wing (taking out the bar and other wing). Have a toy you can throw (or have someone else throw it for you). Start from tunnel 7, running in close to the tunnel: you’ll be parallel to her at jump 8. Decel, connect, send her ahead of you to wing 9, and then you turn and leave… while you throw the reward to the landing of 9.
That’s a good place to start getting her to accelerate ahead of you, then we can build up from there. 🙂
Let me know how it goes!
TracyHi!
Awwww the puppy is great!!!!! What a good baby dog!!!This was an interesting session. She was very successful but also you were helping by not letting go 🙂
I wonder if the obstacles are too far apart, actually, so that the obstacle you want is so far away she doesn’t consider it until you don’t let go and she turns her head?
So, move ’em closer and let’s she what she does 🙁
Also, some failure is fine, so let her go so she can make a choice and get feedback 🙂 a failure or two might be quite informative! But no more than 2.
The other thing to try is to have her between your knees rather than at your side – being at your side might have a positional meaning to her, and being between your knees might be more neutral.
Let me know how it goes 🙂
TracyHi!
She did well here, so we can tweak a couple of things then add the layering. 🙂
For the start jump, because we are starting so close to it, lower the bar to add speed. Then start nice and close to it and stay near it, til she lands… then accelerate like mad up the line sending her with her go go go verbals (and jump verbal :))I think if you turn your shoulders sooner, she will keep that bar up – it is a hard slice angle and if you were facing it too much when she took off then you turned, she was adjusting in the air and dropped the bar. So, be turned and facing the jump after it, so she squares up to the jump before it and keeps the bar up.
The other thing to add now: layering! Try and use the momentum and verbals for her to go take the line… but you will stay on the original side of the tunnel you started on, while she does the line of jumps on the other side. That will help her keep the bar up on the jump she struggled with too because it is easier to turn for the bar when you’re layering.Nice work here! Let me know how the layering goes!
TracyHi!
This is going well, she was quite perfect about reading the lines!!!
The go tunnel section and the layering all looked great 🙂On the turn to the backside: very nice work getting her turned! Yes, as you mentioned, you were late on the first one but much better on the others 🙂
You can also be more lateral as you move down the line to the backside so the lateral position helps tip her off about the turn (as opposed to straight line to the tunnel.
You can give her the turn info to the backside after the lands at 6, so she takes off for 7 facing the #8 backside. You were tending to do it as she was approaching 7, which is a little late for her stride length. Keep playing with how early you can do it and see how she does with early timing.
She is reading that flip away to the tunnel really well, so you can cue that sooner too: as she is approaching takeoff, you can start the flip (no time to praise LOL!)so she sees it before takeoff.
So on the next session, try to be as early as possible even if you are too early and push her off a line 🙂
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
About the stay:>> I try to push things in training hoping he can cope better at trials.
Yes, it builds confidence for sure! And you can also do very short lead outs in training, so you get used to the timing you will need at a trial.
T
Ooh, the pool noodle is a clever idea!!!!! That can work too!
And yes, planning more than running is very useful 🙂
Have fun!
TracyGood morning!
Glad to hear they did well with the weaves!>> But the big surprise was none of my dogs could get the obstacle discri.ination. better if i stood but all just went eother over same obstacle as just did or were totally random. They were so busy offering they didnt stop to listen probably not helped by fact i dont use a jump cue alot tendvto just use go or left or la .. but i do use a tunnel cue. Might have helped if i had been further away.>>
You can adjust this to use a left or right if they don’t have a jump verbal. And if they got a bit frantic, you can have them reset with a Cookie next to you, in a sit, before the next rep.
T
The “get it” is both the marker and the info about where the cookie is. I try to discourage “yes” as a marker because it ultimately ends up confusing the dogs, especially when mixed into high energy praise. If yes means come get the cookie but on course also means “good job, keep going” then the dog will make mistakes.
And example of that would be a hard weave entry, or praising a great teeter: when we get excited and say “yes!” (because we always do, can’t really stop ourselves), should the dog keep weaving, remain on the teeter? Or come to you for the cookie? If there has been a long history of yes as a cookie marker, the dog will be guessing and we don’t want that.
The easiest thing is to just not use yes as a marker. Either use a clicker or use a location marker like “get it”.
Tracy
