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>> Well, I feel like a wally now for not figuring that out myself! Poor girl was slipping, and I didn’t even notice! – I’m glad you think that it’s something she’ll adapt to, but I hope she doesn’t get hurt. I’ve done the same thing with Matrix -not noticed when he’s slipping – but I did see it in video – not so with Yowza 🙁>>
You are not a wally LOL!! I don’t even know what a wally is, but I am going to totally use that word from now on LOL!!!! It was easier to see what she was doing wen I put the video on a bigger screen and slowed it down. She was trying so hard to be fast and tight, but her hind end didn’t have as much grip there so she was slipping. She recovered SO quickly, which might be why it was harder to see. Normally, dogs that slip also land on their heads or shoulders, but she was very quick to re-balance.
The first part of the discrimination video looked great! She seems a bit stronger on the left turns – an so when you added more motion to the right, I can see why it wouldbe harder (plus the a-frame/tunnel that was right there added some pressure on that right turn line too – you can try it without that big visual and see how she does)). I would have rewarded her at :49 when she turned right but didn’t take the first jump – it was a better approximation than going straight! She did get it correctly after that. And when you switched to the left with more motion – she was awesome!
So I think the left turns and right turns on this game will progress at different rates:
– you can add more motion on the left turns. and each time you add challenge, work the left turns first so she can process the new speed on her easier side
– keep the right turns with less motion, for now, and do them 2nd in the session after you’ve worked the challenge with the right turns.>>still maybe a little loud?
I think you had a really distinct difference between the verbals here and it was really nice!!
>> Do you suggest raising the jump height at any point for this exercise?
We discuss this more in week 5 – but for now, the bars can stay low. We don’t want to raise the bars til the dogs have the concepts fully grasped while we are able to move fast. That way we don’t do a lot of reps on a full height bar – the concepts they learn on the low bar transfer easily to full height.
The serps looked great!!! Yay! 3 suggestions for the next session:
– you had the verbal going really well for the start wing, so now you can add the verbal for the serp jump: right for the start wing means left for the serp jump, and vice versa
– she is really speedy, so you can have the start wing further away so you can have more time to get past the serp jump – you can definitely use that advantage to add more motion!
– your placement of reward was really good! But she was splatting herself a little to stop and get it. So to save her body, two options: you can either use a toy that she can scoop up and keep moving with (like one of the big hollee rollers) or you can present the toy from your hand and keep moving til she gets it (flyball-style, where the dog chases the toy as we keep moving).Great job! Onwards to the backsides!
Tracy
Good morning!
Great job with the verbals on the serps! You had the correct ones (mostly haha) and they were said in a way that makes them sound very different from the other verbals. Yay! You can say them repeatedly (you did have some reps where you were saying them twice) as long as you retain that same rhythm/style of delivery as you move faster and faster.Next step… jogging! Then running! Wheeee!
>>I also must confess, I have forgotten what my reward maker is for dropping the toy. I think it’s get it but I mostly do strike are whoosh and have been trying so hard to make those happen that I’ve neglected this one.
No worries, dogs are incredibly forgiving! I think the top priority is to get the reward to the dog, which you were doing. They forgive us if the word is wrong, thankfully LOL!
>>All of these words are really like juggling chainsaws that are on fire
Yep! It was all good til you had to have the verbal where the dog is turning away, so it probably feels a whole lot less natural. Plus I think many of us are very used to giving wrap or backside verbals. Directionals on a serpentine feel WEIRD when you start them, right? We mostly relied on running and yelling the dog’s name in the past LOL!
Backsides:
>>My only bobble was trying to get him to turn around while holding his collar. He wasn’t having it >>
Ha! So far, just about everyone is having this problem. The lineup mechanics should be reversed from how you started here: ask him to line up at your side (or use a cookie lure, nothing wrong with that!). And when he is at your side and in the right spot – then take the collar (another cookie for that is happy-making for the dog). I have found that dogs in general really do not like it when we try to move their bodies while holding the collars (we see lots of opposition reflex and stress when people do that), so you can get the position without holding him – reward – then take the collar. That moment of taking the collar right before we start the verbals becomes VERY fun because it predicts the game is about to start. If you take the collar as a way to move him into position, it becomes a lot less fun.
When you had him line up at :10 through your legs, then took his collar, much better! But give him a cookie for allowing that.
One more detail about the collar holding: hold the collar til you have said the verbal at least 3 times. You had a good ready verbal while holding… but let go at the same time as the directional. You should be saying ‘pass pass pass’ while still holding rather than after letting go so the new cue “pass” can predict the old cue (motion) to help solidify the verbal.On the next session, you can add in starting further back from the jump especially on step 3 so you can be moving the whole time, before he makes a decision on the jump. You were standing still on the left/right/go reps and we don’t want him to think this is about motion versus lack of motion. Plus, on the backside reps, if you are further back and moving, the verbal will really have to override your line of motion and that is exactly what we want 🙂
Nice work! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi again!
>>This was hard for him. His little brain exploded!! >>
Yes, it is a super challenging skill because it is all about the verbal and the one single jump doesn’t really help him out like some of the other setups did. With that in mind – I think you skipped to step 3 quickly but without the complete understanding of steps 1 and 2 with motion, so he was guessing a lot. And now that I have had the extra cup of coffee, imma bug you about mechanics on this one too, both for being sure steps 1 and 2 are really strong and not being too stationary: you should be in motion the whole time on every rep.
Ideally, before adding the front side challenges, you are able to get him reliably processing the backside slice cue while you are moving – first with him facing the the outer edge of the entry wing, and then gradually having worked your way over to both of you facing the center of the bar with a lot of motion (walk-jog-run).
On this session, you were center of the bar for the reps with both of you facing the center and while you did have motion, it was at the same time as the verbal or after he had made a choice about the jump. We want the verbal to come first and before he moves, so it can predict your motion and so you are not accidentally moving at the same time as starting the verbal. If it is simultaneous, he is less likely to process the verbal and more likely to go with handling. The verbals for backsides in particular are almost always mid-course when you are already in motion, which is why we add the motion immediately here so he can process them independently of what your physical cue is doing.
To be more precise with the mechanics, start by holding his collar so you can be saying the word a few times, then let go and when you let go, both of you move. That holding-the-collar moment as you say the verbal is probably the most critical element of getting the independence. Start with him lined up on a straight line to the entry wing so you don’t help at all with handling (no steps to the backside to get true independence). The permission to move is when you let go of him (which also allows you to start the verbal before letting go – by starting without holding him, he is not learning to override the motion with the verbal (because you are stationary or simultaneous)So be obsessively systematic about it, lots of coffee and wine needed (although not simultaneously haha) – he should be lined up to the entry edge of the backside wing (he was mostly center of the bar here with you stationary, which is more of a ‘testing’ position for front side cues because center of the bar reads as backside pressure as a physical cue, which is why the Go was really challenging for him) You can see that he was leaning away from you on those, which is why he chose the backside so much when you were cuing the front side.
Let me know if that makes sense! You will find Step 3 (front versus back) relatively easy if steps 1 and 2 are pretty fluent. That is why Voodoo was demo dog for the step 3 game – steps 1 and 2 were not fluent yet with CB at the time I needed to get it on video.
And a few ideas about keeping the rate of reinforcement high:
And if he has errors, remember the 2 error rule is for the whole session, not 2 in a row 🙂 so once you hit the 2 errors, dial the whole session back to pump up the rate of success which will help build the fluency (or abort mission and phone a friend/post the video LOL!!)And since we are obsessing, one more detail to obsess on – I agree with you that it is a top priority to eliminate the rehearsal of jumping up and barking at you. he is on the right path for that, and I think it will make a MASSIVE difference on course too when arousal is even higher! He does the barking/leaping after errors here – a lot of rehearsal of the jumping up and barking. I think because it is a training session and you are using a toy, you are a bit desensitized to it (you are thinking about the next rep, probably) but it is definitely something that we don’t want on course.
So, if he has an error: just immediately call him back to your side with a reset cookie. It can be a very informal cue such as “cmere!” and show him the cookie in your hand, delivering it when he arrives in position at your side. Using the reset cookies will eliminate the rehearsal of the jumping/barking (which is an arousal/frustration behavior) and they won’t build the incorrect response to the verbal on the jump – it is really cool how a reset cookie gets us exactly what we want! The dogs know that the response was incorrect (based on the lack marker and lack of thrown reinforcement and the recall to reset for a cookie) but they don’t get frustrated and are happy to line up and try again.
And eliminating the rehearsal in training will help eliminate it on course!And no need for an oopsie marker or any discussion of what went wrong – he knows that it was not correct and the oopsie markers are frustrating. So a simple reset cookie delivers all that info without the jumping/barking – the reset cookies are more like “hey, nice effort, have an Oreo, let’s try again”.
I am quite sure that the reset cookies are why CB doesn’t try to bite me on course. Whippety dogs are known to be a bit, um, bitey when frustrated, so I have been using reset cookies all along. He makes mistakes but can stay level in his arousal without jumping barking or biting. Wish I had done that with Voodoo when he was young, because he was very bitey/barky as a youngster.
Let me know what you think! This game in particular is heavy on the mechanics but the finished product will be amazing!!!
TracyGood morning!
Yes, he did really well! But…
Either I need more coffee, or it is the ‘Rona, or these are backwards and they are front crosses on the 180, not serps – on the serps, he should be jumping towards you on the purple jump, not away from you.
I think what made it backwards was the start position – by starting him in a sit, he was coming towards you around the red wing and he should be moving away from you on a send.So for this game, he starts next to you – you start on the wing of the purple jump, facing the house and the red wing. Your left hip is on the purple wing, he is on your right side so you are between him and the purple jump. You send him to the red wing so he is turning to his left around it (towards that white wing sitting on the left side of the computer screen). That way he will be jumping towards you on the purple jump (with a right verbal) and not away from you. For the serps, the jump is in between you and the dog and on these FCs, he was between you and the jump.
Then flip it when you change sides – instead of a stay in front of the red jump and then a FC to the purple, he should be next to you on your left side – you are facing the house, right hip on the purple wing. Send him to the red wing from your left side with a right verbal so he is moving away from you (towards the teeter) and then stay on landing side of the purple jump with a left verbal so he is coming towards you over the purple jump.
I had another cup of coffee to be sure and yes, these were really nice FCs and the verbals matched perfectly… but they weren’t serpy LOL!!! Let me know if that makes sense 🙂
Tracy
Good morning!
Yes, super nice! He did really well here! One thing to get used to is starting with your hand on his collar and saying the verbal a few times before letting go and moving (more on that below LOL!) so that you can start the verbal before the motion – that strengthens the verbal because the ‘new’ cue (verbal) predicts the ‘old’ cue (motion) and then he will be able to produce behavior on just the verbal, regardless of what the motion is doing. If you move and say it at the same time… he is likely just processing the motion and not the verbal independently.
You can start the next session on this one further back from the wing so you can have more motion, and line him up on harder angles! Yay! Great job!
Tracy
Good morning! Hope the root canal was easy!!!
He is finding the backsides really well… but you are using handling by lining him up and taking a big step to it. So, let’s change the lineups so he is going on verbal and not needing the big steps. Mainly, both of you will face forward and when you let go of him, you should also be moving (you were standing still here). But don’t move towards the backside wing, just walk straight up the line. Have the reward already in your hand so you can toss it to the landing spot of the jump so you can be moving away. This will help hi, look at the bar and not at you, which greatly expands understanding of the verbal and gives you more handling options.
I isolated the visuals of this so you can see what I mean – a couple of screenshots of the line up, then you can see the dog and I are both moving forward – then a couple of screenshots of the thrown rewards (a pink stuffed pig LOL!) You can see them here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1me86n8AghzWvbvGgFA1JOzkdcaDaeHHL7s6umBHZ4Ao/edit?usp=sharing
The Serps are looking really good, you had a much better start position so he was able to read the line so much better. Yay!! Because he is very fast, you can move the start wing further away so you have more time to send to it and still get way ahead on the serp jump.
I didn’t hear the verbals on the serp jump, so definitely add in your left/right verbals. It sounds like you were using wrap verbals on the start wing (dig and check) but those would be left/right verbals too, because he is not coming back around the wing like a wrap.Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>>Sly says to tell you that I’m dangerous when I have a MM clicker in my hand and have to use it for more than one thing! I loved your idea of using the MM for the Wraps but I kept clicking it as soon as I saw commitment to the Wrap instead of waiting for him to come back to me and then sending…after I did that 2 or 3 times, I had the poor boy SO confused!!!
Eek! Sometimes that MM clicker has a mind of its own and forces us to hit it at odd times LOL!
>> Short session today of Wraps and Gos and Wraps and Gos….with the MM only for the Gos. I was really pleased with how this went 🙂 On to Week 2’s games!!!
Yes, he did really well here, I didn’t see any questions or errors from him at all. Yay! As you move into the week 2 games (which have a bit of wrapping too in game 3) – try not to decelerate at all as you move up the line to the soft turns or the wraps – just keep walking forward, no change in motion. As soon as you see him change his stride in response to he verbal – then you can turn and run and reward. This challenges him to process the verbal without needing to also see supporting handling. You will probably need to start further from the wing-jump or two jump setup, and when using the start wing, you can start it further too – so you have more room to just keep moving forward especially when you are running.
I think you will also find that as the games start to combine and contrast the different elements, that repeating the verbal will help because he can differentiate based on volume, style of delivery, etc and not just one or two reps of the word. It was fine here to just say “wrap” or say it twice… but eventually on the bigger distances with more possibilities of verbals, you will find it more effective to use wrapwrapwrapwrap versus GOOO! GOOOOO! GOOOOOO! and lehhhhft or riiiight 🙂
Great job here! Looking forward to the week 2 games!!
TracyHi!
>>1) when practicing left and right. What is the farthest out for the middle wing (hope that makes sense)?
For a small dog, maybe 2 feet away.
>>2) how far apart with crate and tunnel to start discrimination? He getting better it’s me restraining before release so I want to really start practicing this.
We want success to start, so maybe 6 feet away? if it is too hard, you can move them further apart. If it is too easy, you can move them together 🙂
Tracy
Good morning!
>>The article specifically mentions Aussies and BC to start at 4 ft. Her book defines medium dogs as those that jump 16-20 in. But, the book says start at 5 ft.
Whoa! Color me surprised! They meant *adult* Aussies and BCs at 4 feet? I remember Susan S using 6 feet for those but maybe she has changed something, it has been a solid 10 years or more since I have seen her in person. And 16-20″ jumping dogs covers a pretty massive size range – my 15″ dog jumps 16″ and my 20.5″ dog jumps 20″, and their grid sizes are really different. So we will go with the feedback Sprite is giving us.
>> Plus, Aussies tend to jump with their front and head up.
Yes, some Aussies want to ‘invert’ their form but if we are careful to always have the reinforcement encouraging them to look downwards and at the bar, they do a lvoely job with the jumping.
I really liked what she did on the decel session!!! aving you sideways definitely helps her -she was setting up MUCH better!!!
>> I probably should have jumped her toward the camera.
This angle worked well, we got a great view of what she was doing with her hind end 🙂 She was definitely working collection on the takeoff side. She was having a little trouble on the landing side – but I think that was mainly because she knew she had to stop and there was too much momentum to stop easily. So, good feedback from her – you can turn this more into a ‘turn and burn’ reinforcement than a stopped reinforcement. Do everything the same: be sideways, release her, etc. Bu the difference is as soon as you see her approaching the bar to takeoff in collection, do that tight FC and run so she chases you for the reinforcement. That way she can power throw the decel and landing.
Also, since the turns looked really good here, you can add your collection verbal!
>>I asked for a sit once to remind her as she definitely wants to launch from further distances.>>
She didn’t look launchy here and the sit surprised her enough that she got really careful on the next rep. I think the sideways angle of your position and the turn and burn exits will be all she needs 🙂
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>My brain has a very very hard time following the left and rights on the serp drills so I may have to magic marker my hands and sit in a quite room to really wrap my head around it 🤯
I found the verbals on the serp drill to be pretty challenging, which is why I lovingly passed them on to y’all hahaha! They will sharpen the brain!
>>This weekend when running the pups we had an interesting backside from a straight tunnel. The red child was the only one who got that it was a backside, albeit wide for the first couple of reps. Both Callie and Roulez were convinced it was a front side and we had to break it down for them differently.>>
WHAT A GOOD BOY!!! You had nice timing of the verbal before the tunnel and he was a superstar to go do it. And you got it 3 times, so it was no fluke. Did you balance it and ask for the front side on a rep?
>>My question is his lack of efficiency here- is it my handling or lack of fluency in your opinion? I know in the past he would hit the Bs and not take the jump but that seems to be much improved.>>
Lack of efficiency? LOL! Picky, picky. He was great! He was also ignoring a dog in the xpen on the way to the backside, he has had trouble with that in the past. On the 2 reps, he could have been tighter with earlier info for the exit line (you might have been late because you were surprised LOL) On the 3rd rep, he was great! I have no issues with what he did here, hopefully he got MANY FRIZZERS for nailing a skill that the more experienced girls could not get 🙂
Tracy
Hi!
Was he kinda going to the wing but not finishing the wrap – looking at you and the jump more than he was ‘seeing’ the wing? Could be a processing challenge:Finding just the wing is important to being able to process the verbal in the sea of bigger visuals – for example, can he find the backside circle wing when there is a tunnel behind it (and that is what the judges are doing lately LOL!). Jump discriminations are really popular, and in this setup the wing is the smallest visual – so working it through on the wing is actually a big important foundation piece, to get the behavior to be an automatic response to the verbal without the question of “shouldn’t I take the more obvious obstacle?”
Let me know if that makes sense 🙂
TracyGood morning!
The soft turns are looking really good! Both sides look equally strong. You can definitely send less and move more – I think the best way to do that at this point is to add the start wing because he will get to move more and he will like it that you are also moving more. That way you can both run up the line into the soft turn, first on the wing and then you can add the jump.
And he DEFINITELY seems to like the hollee roller! Yay!!! Tons of drive to the wing is happening, thanks to the joys of chasing the toy!!
Speaking of reinforcement:
>>Outside he mouths the toy instead of bringing it back unless I lure him with a treat.
He definitely like the toy, and that is good! I think that when he tugs on the way back to the setup spot, the result is that you take the toy away when he gets there and he has to setup to work… a bit of negative punishment for coming back to the setup spot. He is a smart dude LOL!! So he was avoiding bringing the toy back to the setup spot. I have certainly done that by accident with Contraband and the frisbee. Oops! Darned smart dogs.
When you had more action and reinforcement involved, such as running and continuing to tug, then trading for a cookie – no problem! I think it is fine to have him bring it back for a cookie in this scenario (or a second toy to tug on). It builds value for bringing it back while maintaining the efficiency of the session. You can also have him bring it towards you then throw it again, or throw a second toy. For a while, I would train with 2 frisbees in my hands, so I could reward getting the first one back by throwing or tugging on the second one.
But I also do a lot of “thanks for bringing it, here is your cookie” and I am perfectly fine with the dog seeing the payment in advance 🙂 Some might even call it a loop LOL! But in reality, I am usually not training a retrieve, I just want to do the next rep of the agility thing, so I am fine to trade for cookies or a toy.
I do train the retrieves separately and reward those a lot without showing the payment in advance. As the dogs get more experienced, the retrieving gets built into the training sessions too.
So for now, feel free to thank him for his great work of getting the hollee roller by calling him back for a treat or toy. It takes the pressure off both of you, and keeps the game really fun 🙂
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>> On a full course I haven’t noticed any issues with that so far. More the opposite – he’ll continue on a line and not hear me give verbals for a direction change>>
So then we will file it in the “If It Ain’t Broke, Don’t Fix It” category LOL!
>> (or maybe he’s just giving me the middle toe and doing the fun stuff. LOL!)
He is probably not ignoring you, my guess is that his lack of experience is causing a delay in processing and/or he doesn’t fully understand the verbals/turn cues in the layer of excitement in the environment on the big lines. I have been doing a good amount of NFC work in UKI and USDAA with my youngsters at trials – setting them on big fast lines, cuing a turn, then getting back on a big fast line (with toys in the ring, to help solidify the behavior I like).
On the video:
I loved the serp session!! After the first rep, your timing was great and his turns were **chef’s kiss** lovely. He is a big guy and was able to jump sideways into the perfect landing spot. YAY SPOT!!!! And other than the verbal, you were not really helping with handling. When you are handling ‘for real’, you can open your shoulders to him more. My only suggestion is that you can repeat the verbal for the jump a few times – that will definitely help him process as we add more and more speed.On the backsides:
I had to chuckle on the first rep: he wouldn’t look until you gave the correct verbal LOL!! Good boy. You can be louder with your push push verbal, it is a ‘forward’ cue so it can be really loud 🙂 The clean start mechanics that I am bugging everyone about will definitely help him look at his line, though – you did a lot of reps where he started while looking at you,. which reinforces looking at you and didn’t always lead to a correct response.On this progression, he had a lot of success when you had the clean start mechanics and didn’t move across the bar too quickly in terms of the progression. When you didn’t line him up, hold him, start the verbal then let him go, or when you moved across the bar too quickly – he had too many errors. So obsess on that clean start so he can really get this independent 🙂
For example, you had a gorgeous clean start at 1:48, and he nailed it independently.
Without the clean start line up, when you moved forward and said the verbal at the same time, he would fail more than we want him too – (1:52 and 1:56 for example, with handling help at 1:59 to get it right)So with the line ups, as you move to the front versus backside step 3 of the game, have every rep begin with that clean line up, collar hold, verbal, then movement. You’ll find he learns it faster because it separates the verbal from the motion in the proper order.
He did a great job with the backside circles! Nice commitment! I know it is tempting to do these on a jump with a bar, but keep them on a wing for now so you can add more and more motion without too much bang on his body. The jumping effort on these is really hard so we want to work the concept of commitment while you run past while saving his body.
You can now start him on a bit more of an angle – do the clean start here too, holding him while you repeat the cue. That way you can both have more motion when you let go of him and a high chance of success. This is also a good verbal to repeat “roundroundround” to help drive him through collection and commitment even as you keep accelerating forward.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
Horses too!!! I am so jealous of your Farmville!!!! My 9 year old dog loves Katy’s sessions – he moans when I watch her videos LOL!The serpentines looked (and sounded :)) great! Well done to you for setting up the mechanics so well. And yes – as you mentioned in the video, you need to keep moving LOL! She was fast AND tight on her turns. YAY!
As you were getting ahead of her you were moving past the exit wing (kind of to the tunnel under the a-frame or to the purple jump when you changed sides). You can add challenge by running past the serp jump, towards the fence behind you soo you are well past the jump when she needs to take it. As long as you are giving your verbal and keeping your shoulders open to her, she should take the serp jump even if you are way past it. So she will exit the start wing and you will be already past the exit wing of the serp jump – that should be pretty challenging (and will set up the Serp part 2 challenges for next week :))
Backside slices: this one is all about mechanics 🙂 She is finding the backside but we can get her to be even more independent and that will also help with the jumping.
>> she also tends to get me to rush the start with all the excitement she has. (Barking)
The clean start will make your job easier here – you can use line up cookies to convince her to give you a heartbeat’s worth of time to get ready. She definitely likes to do the thing and not wait for it LOL! I use cookies as part of the line up to help pay my dogs for putting up with the time it takes me to get ready: line up cookie, hand on collar, maybe even another cookie if I need a more time to get my act together. The dogs learn that it is part of the game with their slow momma 🙂 so they give me that moment to get ready because they are being paid with cookies. that way you can be on the line you want, saying the verbal and just let go before you move, rather than needing to rush or step to the wing.
>Sometimes I’m too inconsistent on my line..
I think you were starting on the hard line, which might be why it felt weird. You were set up on the exit wing and sending her. Both of you should be on the entry wing, facing the entry line so all she needs to do is go straight to it (and all you would need to do is give the verbal and walk or jog forward). By starting on the exit wing, you were stepping to the backside and we want to get her to do it just on the verbal, without a step. then we move you both further and further across the bar, and she goes on the verbal without you needing to even step to the backside. The goal is that the two of you can be eventually be facing the center of the bar in the line up position – and you can run forward and cue a backside, and she goes and takes the backside without needing you to do any handling to get it.
She was having a little trouble with the jumping on the backside – a few knocked bars, a few times where she struggled a bit but didn’t knock it. I think that she is looking at you and that is changing her jump style. So we can use placement of reinforcement to help that – no matter where you end up in your motion, always keep moving and throw the reward back to the landing spot, as soon as she gets to the entry wing. That will help shape her to look at the bar and not at you – and looking at the bar will help her organize her jumping with better form. You can do it with a low, locked in bar to start, so she can be looking at the bar and not at you.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
