[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!

OMG! I have done the iPad splat on more than on occasion and it stinks! I am glad you are back in action. Ask me about the time I ran over my android phone, though, and it was perfectly fine LOL!!!

I think she has mastered the ‘catch’ reinforcement LOL! She was happy to stay there and let the toy come to her 🙂

The decels look really good – she is doing exactly what we want, by changing her approach to the jump to make a turn rather than go straight. And she is doing it on the takeoff side, which is also what we want. YAY!
If my math is correct, she just had her one year birthday. Has she seen a jump bar yet, either at home or at an in-person class somewhere? I want to give her a bar to go over on this game, in a way that will be very successful. If she has seen a bar to jump, you can add it here by locking it into the jump cups (sticking the jump cup through the open end of the bar so it cannot displace). And the height can be 4 inches to start.
If she has not yet seen a bar, do the lock-in at 4 inches and play the parallel path game, where she finds the jump and you throw the reward straight, just to introduce the concept.

The goal of the super low bar is to give her a little more stride organization challenge in the collection versus extension. 4 inches will be really easy, then we can go to 8 inches (and leave it there for a while, with minimal training over bars, because she is still really young).

On the extensions – she was totally in the decel zone on the first one, expecting to wrap so she adjusted at the last minute. The other extensions looked great though – center of the bar and fast-moving. Yay! You can throw the reward sooner on those, so she doesn’t look at you at all – as soon as you see her driving towards the center of the bar, toss it straight and long (and you can run on these too, she will like that!)

Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning! I am glad things are getting back to normal!!

This session is going really well! He did better on the first side (dog on left) as you mentioned – on that side, you slowed down the tiniest bit right before the release so now… keep moving on that side the whole time.
The other side was much harder for him indeed! I would do 2 things in the next session on that side:
– do ‘regular’ serps as a warm up for a few reps, to refresh the value of going over the bar. These were serps with the countermotion exit, which is harder so a couple of regular serps will get things start nicely.
Then, show him the exit exercise where you are indicating the landing spot while you add the countermotion (rather than doing the whole serp).
If he can do the regular serps and the step-backs to show the countermotion… then put them back together.

>>irst time was a lot of standing still.

Yes, and that helped! We don’t want you to stand still in that position, so add the motion in the regular serps and separate the countermotion. As soon as he seems comfy, you can put them back together

Great job here! Fingers crossed for warm weather ahead so you can take this outside 🙂
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!

The tunnel rocking horses ate going well! On the first couple of reps where you did tunnel-wing. That looked really strong – you were timing the wing wrap cues nicely, his tunnel commitment looked good and he had a good stay! Nice!!!
When you added tunnel-wing-tunnel, there was a little blooper after the wing. – you got too excited LOL!!!! You said “yes” instead f connecting and saying tunnel, so he came to you. You fixed that by connecting more after the wing and cuing the tunnel. Yay! He is also starting to find the line on his own later in the video, which is really cool and takes off some of the pressure to be perfect in connection. Very nice! And adding the MM as the reward works too, it is definitely a challenge to ignore the MM the whole time and he was great! The next step would be to add more distance between the wing and the tunnel if you have enough room.

Serp countermotion:

>>I was pretty much only brave enough this time to do the throw back without adding the countermotion yet. >>

That is fine, it was a really strong first session! The hardest part of this game would be the mechanics and you were being really clear with them, so it is a big win!

Nice job with the reward placement, releases and so on – you were definitely looking more comfy on the first side (left arm) than on the 2nd side (right arm) but the right side was correct. You did have a little countermotion starting on the first side!
So yes, continue as you did and start adding a little countermotion. 2 things that I think will help –
Look at him directly while he is in the stay, then when you release and indicate the landing side, you can shift your connection to look behind you (you were looking a little away from him at the releases, and letting him see you shift connection to the landing spot will help support him as you add motion.

And, when you step back , try to just step back and not lean back. So you might feel like you are leaning forward a little, and that is correct – just the arm and the leg step back because that will be easier to then start moving forward.

Lateral lead out:
Good job with the stay rewards! Having a good stay has been super useful in all of these games!

>>how much motion or cue I was supposed to use,>>

On the release, ideally only one step to send and that is pretty much what you were doing. Super! He seemed to have no trouble committing to the barrel on the release. One thing to be careful of is that you line up his feet to face the barrel – that makes the send harder. You noticed it here towards the end and he still got the commitment, but as you add distance away from the barrel you can have him facing the barrel more.
Everything else looked really good so onwards to the next step: you can lead out more laterally away from the barrel to add distance 🙂

Simple decel:
He did really well here too!
Only one little detail: Your position can be more on the takeoff side of the towel bar, in front of the barrel. The more parallel to the barrel you are, the wider he will turn. So you can stand in front of it, with your back mostly to him (you can be a little angled towards him to make connection) and your belly button almost touching the barrel.

The extensions were a good contrast – note how on the wraps he was on the side of the towel bar next to the barrel, and on the extensions, he was on the center of the bar – this is exactly what we want. He was looking at you a little bit on the extensions, so you can throw the reward sooner (before he even gets to the bar) to keep him looking straight.

>>Feel like we’re almost doing real agility now.

Yes!!!! When the snow melts, he will basically be doing real agility. He is transferring the concepts really quickly and it is so fun to see!! Great job here!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!
Wow, the reverse retrieves looked great! She was fast both directions and brought the toy right back. I think on the 3rd rep, the timing of it gave her less room to get past you. The last rep was better, more room land a little less motion so she did well. I am really excited about how you’ve shaped her to bring the toy – think back to when she had a lot of party-of-one with it and now she is great with bringing it back and very little taking off!

Lateral lead outs –
Good job with the play and the stay rewards! She was a good girl to bring the toy to you as well! She had questions on the first couple of reps: at
1:00 and 1:15, you can point less at the barrel, and point a little more towards where the takeoff spot would be, a couple of steps before the barrel. That can keep your shoulders/chest pointing to the barrel because when you pointed to the barrel, it turned your chest past it (which is why she came inside and turned to her left at 1:14, smart girl!
Moving closer to it definitely helped and then she had it after that. Her left turn side (dog on right) seemed naturally better (or she transferred the concept easily on that side) so you can start on that side next session as you add more distance away from the barrel.

>>She did push the barrel out of the way a far bit on one of them. Will have to watch as if she keeps doing that we switch to wings correct?>>

Do you meant at 2:35 (last rep)? I think that was more about the toy being offered to early in an exciting way: when she sees the toy come out early on as she gets to the barrel, she stops going around it and just goes to the toy (which might mean pushing the barrel). So try to mark quietly and hold the toy til she is past it, presenting it more calmly for now – it is definitely something to consider as she starts to learn jumping and using wings. You can also Toss the toy to the ‘landing’ spot to help her look forward and not drive through the barrel to you 🙂 and that will also help when you add more distance between you and the barrel.

Decel Game:
Excellent catch on the first rep LOL!
She does best when you call her for the retrieves here, those looked good!

>>Only did the one side as it didn’t feel like there was really much decel happening on her side of things so I wanted you to see before I do the other side in case I should adjust anything.>>

She did well with the decel – it didn’t look like tight collection because there was no jumping involved, but she did a great job of figuring out the turn.

The first decel was normal, she was a bit surprised and a little wide. But then the 2nd rep and 3rd rep and all the decaes after we really good, she had the idea – she was shaping her line to make the turn, which is great!

If you look at where she was over the bar, like at 1:49, she was turning to the wrap wing and that is what we want (we don’t want her looking straight or being over center of the bar on the decels). She she starts seeing this with an actual jumping effort required, you will see more hind end shift and collection. She might make that collection at the edge of the bar, or she might shape her line to be just as tight but without as much collection – either way is fine. I have one dog that does the collection, and one dog that shapes her line like a race car – they are basically equal in speed and both set up great turns. The race car dog does not look tight… but her course times are incredibly fast and she is gentle on her body by shaping her lines, so I am happy with the race car approach LOL

So keep going with this, add the other side. You won’t want to give her an actual bar to jump for a while longer so she might end up shaping her line for a while longer (which is perfectly fine). And be sure to mix in lots of straight lines with you moving so she feels the difference.

>>Not sure about doing the rocking horse game with the tunnel in the basement given the speed that could mean she gets into combined with the turns around the wing/barrel. Thoughts?>>

Yes, I agree – I am pretty sure you have a ton of snow on the ground, but do you have access to any of the indoor locations? The tunnel rocking horses are super fun but they are high speed and you will want to have plenty of room and great footing.

Nice work! Let me know what you think!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!

>>More Hallmark moments! Yes, it’s still hard not to look for the obstacles. I’ll play with this more as it’s really fun.>>

Glad yo are having fun! I think you two look great! And yes – more connection early on when they are baby dogs helps. The style of training though, is intended to reduce the amount of connection needed and increase independent commitment because, well… the biggest handling error that we ALL make is breaking connection 🙂 And that dogs are happy to learn to commit to things when we disconnect so I have definitely shifted a lot of emphasis to “please commit even if my connection is poopy” haha! So far, the dogs are happy to do so 🙂

The lateral lead outs look great! You already had a good stay happening, so this adds in a little more excitement to it (no problem, says Sprite!) and she was happy to get cookies tossed to her – she is even showing some understanding of ‘catch’ by staying there and leaning back a little in anticipation of the cookie!
And, the release and send to the cone was super easy for her. Not surprising at all – your mechanics were very clear: connection, arm, leg, position, verbal release all spot on. So the good mechanics plus cone value made for a great session. Yay! Indoors, you can transfer this to a wing. And, if you are able to get this outdoors, add more distance laterally away from the cone or wing (using whichever one you think is higher value at the moment – the wing will be pretty high value at this point!)

Great job!!!!! Keep me posted on how it goes with more distance outdoors and with the wing!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

That is awesome!!!! Gotta love how latent learning “cements” things in the brain. Yay! She is so smart! And you might have been earlier too – either way, I am glad to hear the rear crosses are working now!

Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning! He really seemed to like these – he was a little squeaky and definitely very excited! He had a fabulous balance of speed and great turns. It is nice to see how well he is taking his cone wraps and transferring the skill to the wings 🙂

The front crosses all looked great here! Very clear reinforcement (do I remember correctly that “yes” is your cookie in your hand marker?) and you were almost perfect with connection – one little oopsie at 1:07 but you did the right thing and just carried on with the next rep. Yay!
For the FCs – if you can get a little more distance (at home or at the training center) you can add more of your running and also rotating sooner – it will feel weird to rotate sooner in a smaller setup because there is nowhere to go LOL!
And with more room, the spins will be more comfortable – you were doing them correctly but without a lot of room, it might have felt like you were spinning in one spot. With another 5 feet or so, you can keep moving in the spins: do a nice early FC and move away, starting the spin as he arrives as the wing but you are already nearing the next wing.
Same with t he racetracks – easy peasy, he says! Yay! So now you can add some more room so you can both move even more. Wheeeee! I know that Mother Nature is a pain in the butt and getting outside won’t happen soon, but a few more feet at home or the training center will give you more room 🙂

A couple of other ideas since he is doing so well:
Add you verbal directionals!
Try a toy 🙂 When you are moving more, I think you can get some good reps in with the toys he loves – do just one or two then switch back to cookies.

And, since I am looking ahead and trying to pass on info about the mistakes I have made so you don’t make them: Consider dropping the ‘yes’ marker and changing how you reinforce with food – the actual delivery at your side is fine, but the word yes sometimes gets used on course (on purpose or by accident) and if it also means ‘come get a reward’ then the dogs come off the line and come to us humans. I learned this the hard way – OOPS! So to avoid that confusion with StrykR, you can keep the “yes” marker for shaping situations that don’t look like agility. And for agility like the rocking horses, maybe move your cookie hand during the delivery and have a different marker for that (I use a ‘shhhhhh’ sound to let the dogs chase the cookie hand) or use a lotus ball or treat hugger with a ‘get it’ marker so he can drive to it. Let me know if that makes sense!!

He was a little tired by the end LOL you can hear hu breathing hard and he was going wider so you can also time it so that you do 30 seconds, then take a break, then 30 seconds, etc.

And, did you notice that his bed was almost acting like a tunnel discrimination? LOL It is super high value and was pretty close so on some of the sends, he almost went to its few times. Ha! So for now, move it a little further away but eventually we can TOTALLY use it to simulate tunnel discriminations.

Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!

Good job making room to do some of the games where you both get to move! The blind-cross-then-decel game looked great on reps 2 and 3 🙂 Yes, the first rep was late but what was even funnier was when you were late – watch Ella (I think) run up the stairs like OMG THAT WAS SO LATE hahaha.
Your connection looked good and she had no trouble reading the decel, so now the next step is to move to bigger spaces or longer hallways, and add in the barrel wrapping (you can see that in the handling combos).

Retrieves:
I think the retrieving started really well and she was legit retrieving for the first minute, really good baby dog stuff… then she had enough. She was trying to opt out after that as you can see by the effort you made to catch her.

>>so I’m thinking quit while I was ahead?

Yes! Do one or two then let her run around with it (you can add a go for a run cue). Retrieves are a control game and it gets boring for young pups if you do too many.

>>Was she even bringing it because I sort of caught her on the drive by.

For the first minute? I think she was bringing it to you based on how you didn’t have to work hard to get it and how she was decelerating near you. After :1:20? Yup! You were catching her on the drive by so she was working harder to get past you, faster. That is why you can add in letting her run around with it, so she doesn’t think the game is all about getting the toy past the momma as fast as possible.

>>And do we just keep it under super wraps every time I try a new space or a new toy or her arousal state?

I think keeping it too under wraps will make her less interested in the game. Yes, a short session in a corner here and there is good. But you can also make it a high action game – tie the toy to a long rope and let her chase you with it. Or train other things with the toy on the rope, so the retrieve gets built in to those as well – lots of action and fun!

Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!
Great job adding the toy play and leash at the beginning – it really helps to develop the mechanics and habits that will carry Ronan to the line when he starts trialing! Having the other dogs out and about as helpers also adds in a nice layer of distraction but he didn’t seem to have any trouble with that, he is probably used to it LOL!)

These were really good sessions here with both of you!
He has a nice stay which really helps 🙂 I am sure you are rewarding it but here is my reminder that I send to everyone: keep rewarding it.

He did well with his commitments on each rep here, I think he only had one question about it when Karena dropped her arm a bit too early. You fixed that on the next rep by holding the send arm until he was almost at the wing, which really helps for now. As he gets used to this type of lead out, you will be able to drop that arm sooner like you wanted to here and start crosses nice and early too.

Another thing that will help you be able to drop your arm after the send and move away sooner is to change your lead out position slightly. You were lateral – just far enough away to be challenging but not so far that he struggles. Now you can lead out all the way parallel to the wing – it looks like you were both stopping a bit short of it so he had to go past you to commit. By being parallel to it, your position helps set the line and you can start leaving sooner.

Kiwi the Pap was helpful in showing the line for the position – if you look at Kiwi starting at about 1:59, he moved to the line I am talking about LOL! He was sitting closer then moved over at about 2:00 and look at where Kiwi is sitting on the right side of the screen – it looks like he put himself on the exact line parallel to the wing (thanks, Kiwi!!!) That is the line you will want to lead out to, and rotate to face the wing so yo can step to it.
Now, Kiwi was really far away, so don’t start all the way over there, so be on that parallel line but maybe 6 feet away to start then build up to 10 then eventually you will get to the Kiwi spot 🙂

Great job here! Let me know what you think and please give Kiwi some extra treats for his help here LOL!

Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning!

This session went really well! The long lead out definitely got the center-of-the-bar extension to help contrast with the collection and she seemed happy with the rewards for the stays 🙂 It might have been new and surprising but she was on board with it 🙂

She was also getting the hang of the decels – I am mainly looking for what the dog does in front of the bar (especially in comparison to the extensions) and she was totally changing her striding to collect and turn. Yes, you were a far enough over on the bar that she was shaping her line a little on the turn but that also might have been that you were sideways (feet pointing to the other end of the bump). Try it with you facing forward more and see if she drives in closer to where the wing meets the bump – and if she still shapes her turn, then you can move over so she sees more of the wing in hopes we can convince her to get a little closer to the edge of the bump on the turn side.

She seemed to like the moving reward too (not surprising :)) so you can build that in too!

Great job here!!!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Hi!
We do add rear crosses in the next session, but for now – try being sooner so that she sees almost the entire rear cross before she goes into the tunnel. Since her tunnel commitment is good, you can start her pretty far back with the wing wrap. Start putting that rear cross ‘pressure’ on her line just after she exits the wrap, getting closer to her. When she is about 6 feet from the tunnel, you should crossing behind her. It will feel early but that is the timing she will need on course too when she is all grown up 🙂 If she does not commit to the tunnel, you can place the reward on the other end of the tunnel (on a slight turn in the correct direction) to help her.

And yes definitely feel free to post a video. It is possible that you are perfectly on time and Dora has a different question 🙂
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Hi!

Nice work on the videos!

Rocking horses – Her commitment is looking stronger and stronger here! Yay! Great job adding your verbals too. This was a fun session! Two little details:

She left to investigate a distraction right at the beginning – so you can try to add a little porridge heating (some tricks and tugging) as you bring her into the start of the game, to help her be fully engaged before the first rep. You had great tugging, but getting the tricks involved will help you know if she is ready for the game or not 🙂

Her only real question in this session was whether to go to the barrel or take the toy when it was in the hand nearest her. So, you can clarify when the toy is available by aadding the marker for the toy that specifically says “now come grab the toy” so she knows when to get it or not. I think you did say get it at one point, but I think that gets used for thing you throw – so something different will really clarify things for her. I use “bite”, some folks say “strike”, to give you ideas 🙂

Tunnel rocking horses are going well! She was very into the toy!

A couple of things about the toy:

>> I did not have toy in the wrong place>>

it was not in the wrong place, she just doesn’t know when it is available as a reinforcement or not 🙂 Adding the marker words will really help her, because that clarifies that the toy is not available until she hears the magic word.

You can have a second toy to help her come back to you, rather than take herself on victory laps between reps 🙂

In between reps:
At :38, you can help her be more ready by taking a moment to engage her between the ‘out’ of the toy and the send to the wing. You tried to go from the out to the send, but she was not engaged. So add in a heartbeat of getting eye contact, asking her if she is ready… then send her to the wing.

On the left turns into the tunnel – I think a clearer transition will help here too (that is your theme today, clear transitions :)) So rather than fast sends, make a *longer* transition. On most of the reps, you were feeding her a cookie to line her up then immediately sending her – which is probably too quick for her to fully process that. So, after the line up cookie, gently take her collar, say tunnel 3 or 4 or 5 times…. and then let go and see what she does. The goal is that you are not helping with body language – right now she is reading your body language, so if you are perfect she gets it. But if you are not perfect, she spins. Taking out the body language and making a longer transition should help her process the cue and turn to her left.

So for the next session, work easy angles to the left and make long transitions: priming the pump by sending her straight will really help – so start with her facing the tunnel on your right, just going straight (kind of what you did at :33) Then on your left, just going straight. Then on your right, at a slight angle for a send (not a threadle) – then on that same very slight angle – on your left so she turns away.Her line up position can be perpendicular to the tunnel entry for now, rather than parallel to it like she was here. I am sure she will have a big “A-HA!” moment then it will all be very easy 🙂

Serp on the jump:
She came in for the serp really nicely! And good position from you and good placement of reward too.

>>We had a great tug session to start and then she seamed to just fizzle.

I think the food value overrode the toy here. She got a tossed cookie to start, then what *you* after you tossed the toy reward: your right hand went to your pocket which is the international sign for “COOKIES!” LOL! So she of course said “no thanks” to the toy in favor of cookies. Then you handed it to her, which affirmed her decision. So to help maintain the toy drive all the way through, you probably don’t want to mix toys and treats in the same session for now. And when you toss a toy, engage with it and be careful about reaching for cookies 🙂

>>I also have question on the next session – which class do I get to do live – it said one – so do I get to pick which one? I will be out of town on a couple. Did I read it right?>>

I believe you are in the Live working spot, which means you can work live in all of the live classes (March 8, March 22, March 29, April 12, April 26). I think the confusion maybe was choosing one of the live options – which is working in the live classes versus auditing. Sorry that it was confusing!!! If you let me know which dates you can’t come to the live class, maybe we can split the spot with someone else?

Great job on the videos! Let me know what you think!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Good morning! It is really great that you had plenty of daylight to go outside and play!! And whoa, that panoramic photo at the beginning…. so nice!!!!

Excellent session here, Karena! Starting this without motion allows you to establish the mechanics (there is a LOT to do here) and you were great! The only question he had was at :40 – I don’t think you moved too early there in terms of stepping forward to the line, I think it was more about when you looked forward. On all the other reps, you shifted your connection really well to the landing spot and held the connection there til he was past you and basically at the jump bump. On the rep where he pulled off, you turned your head sooner, before he was full committed – which pulled him off.
The timing of the change is connection is not incorrect – but it Will probably take a few more sessions for him to let you ‘disconnect’ for the blind cross exit that early. On your very last rep, you were beginning to turn your head a little sooner and he was great!
So for the next session, start to move forward sooner but while you do that, keep your connection back to the landing spot til you see him arrive at the bump. (Yes, it will feel a little weird LOL!!!) If that goes well for a session or two, you can begin relaxing the connection and reward him for continuing to commit.

Let me know if that makes sense about the connection – holding it back to the landing spot by looking behind you for now, then eventually we can add in not needing to connect. My end goal is that these youngsters will have such a depth of understanding that you can indicate with one physical and verbal cue, then disconnect and run to where you want to be next.

Great job here!!!
Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Bumping up! See you all in a few hours!

Tracy

[Tracy Sklenar]

Hi!

>>And keep tossing in a few ‘catch’ rewards too<< I do that almost every rep, I just mostly cut them out of the video now to keep them shorter.>>

Perfect! Her stay is looking really good!

>>As you do add more motion, keep your shoulders/upper body frozen in serp position until after she has arrived at the MM so you don’t relax your upper body after the click. We don’t want to build the habit of the upper body turning forward at all, as that will pull her off the next serp line when she is on jumps.<< >>This is goinig to be something I need to keep working on, I thought I did better on the threadle work today while we were doing it but after watching the video I still need to do it better.>>

It is definitely going to feel WEIRD for now but it it totally worth it for the behavior to end up being very independent.

>>Week 10 – Left/Right using Pool Noodles

>>Picked up some ~4″ diam pool noodles and tried taping them to the carpet with painters tape and also angled the jumps as you suggested.>>

The setup looked good, the pool noodles are working well! The carpet is a little slippery but as long as you don’t add speed to this, it will work out well for our purposes til the snow melts.

>>I realized while watching the video that I likely should have treated this as a jump grid by either not sitting her at all or sitting her in a better position to start as she wasn’t getting consistent striding at times, but when she did it was pretty lovely. Will keep that in mind for next time we do this.>>

Yes – having her in a consistent start position will help, I think my favorite was at :49. She also got bored with it pretty fast (her striding on the left turns was not as good mainly because she was looking around, checking her phone, etc LOL) so you can tug between each rep, or start her from a gentle collar hold instead of sit or stand. That can add enough spicy-ness to it to keep her more engaged 🙂

>>Also, my reward placement seemed better on the left turns over the right turns, probably because I am very right-handed and I just automatically gravitate to using the hand for a reward which got me turning on some of those.>>

totally agree! I mean, the reward placement using your right on the right turns was not terrible, she was still turned – but the placement on the left turns was fabulous! that is mainly a planning thing: plan each rep to have the cookies in the reward hand before you send her into the minny pinny.

The threadles did go well! You had just the right amount of motion here: very little but you stayed in motion.
Question: are going to use the one-arm threadle cue (as opposed to the cross arm)? if so, you can add swinging it back as part of the cue. If you are going to use the cross arm, you can add it now.

> Don’t think I held my upper body positon well enough on these, surprisingly hard not to relax on clicking that little button!>

Actually, I think you were fine! You didn’t really relax the position til after she had turned her head away and was well on her way to the MM, so the very slight change of shoulder line was not helping her go to the jump.

Since this is going well, I would now change her position slightly so she is maybe 1 foot or so over closer to the center of the bar: and show her the threadle and the serpentine in the same session. That way, she doesn’t try to Threadle.All.The.Things. haha! The verbal makes the difference, as well as your position when you release (on the entry wing for threadles, almost at the exit wing for serps). The MM stays in the same place the whole time 🙂

Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy

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