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>>My timing must have been really bad – the “jump” was instead of a go, but I probably did not need to say much at that jump – it was right in front of her. I meant the left/right was where she was going after after that jump.>>
I don’t think you need the jump at all. If the tunnel is #1 and the jump after the tunnel is #2 and the middle jump is #3 – you can say jump at or before the tunnel exit to indicate 2 (general commitment cue). But then when she is at 2, saying jump for 3 and then left or right is delayed info because she was hearing the left/right when she was landing from 3 (at which point any decision about the turn is a done deal). For me, left/right is a jump commitment cue, meaning: take that one and turn right. So you can be saying the left/right when she is at 2 to indicate 3. Everyone has slightly different definitions for their verbals which is great, but my main goals are to have verbals clearly defined AND not have to have 10,000 verbals LOL!
And the other thing I will be bugging everyone about… start running these drills with the verbals and physical cues without the dogs. Not walking – running! I think if we walk the sequences or plan them without running, the verbals and timing can go a bit haywire when we try to run it at the speed of the dog, with the dog 🙂
>>I think maybe I need to spread my set up out more. I felt like everything was way too close and I had no time to get the words out.
Yes, you can totally spread it out a bit. The distance you had here on this video seemed fine. I think the no time to get the words out is a processing thing for us humans – trying to process the words and go fast and do everything (connection, crosses, remember the darned sequence, etc) with her – so that is the reason that you can run it a few times without her. Then do it with her and you will how much easier it is.
>>I tried to do some wraps this morning and it was a mixed bag. Again, the spacing seemed too small.
I think the spacing is fine, actually 🙂 and it will sharpen up your timing 🙂 I think one thing that will help to remember that it is about her position, not your position. The cues all needed to come about 2 strides earlier. Here is a breakdown:
At :07 – the verbal and decel and toy switching hand-to-hand started when she was one stride from takeoff of the wrap jump. You did the cues when you got to the wrap wing (which didn’t give her time to adjust) but she didn’t see the rotation start til she was landing. Same at 16 – but she was watching more now so she hit the bar trying to adjust in the air. Same at :24 – you tried to rotate quickly , as soon as you arrived at the wing, which resulted in the slamming of the brakes so she didn’t take the jump. Eventually she will commit anyway, but not as a youngster 🙂
On the other side – :37 – you were not as close to the wing as you wanted to be and actually accelerated to it when you should be decelerating into it so the toy switch/rotation/decel all happened as she was lifting off for the wrap jump. She tried really hard but hit the bar. At :45 and :50 everything happened after she lifted off, thus the long landing (couldn’t hear the wrap verbal there but that might be because you were facing away from the camera – you used the same timing at :58 but I did hear the verbal there)
At 1:10, you did the switch/decel as she was one-stride from the jump and rotated at liftoff – she tried really hard here too but couldn’t make the turn and keep the bar up.
So, it is not a training issue, a jumping issue, or a spacing issue, it is a full on timing issue 🙂 That is good! So things to remember to get the wraps where you want them:
– looking at mechanics, you do not have time to switch the toy from one hand to the other. You might not even know you are doing this 🙂 But it eats up precious time in the precise moment you should be delivering information. So – don’t run with a toy in your hand. Empty hands!
– think of the timing differently: yes, be moving towards the wrap wing but with an eye on her position at all times. You should be running pretty fast until she is in the air over the middle jump. Then, no matter where you are – decelerate as you continue moving forward to the wrap wing, and start the verbal. She will be seeing/hearing this as she is landing from the middle jump. And stay connected of course 🙂 And if you do get to the wrap wing, you can hang out there. But when she is about one stride from takeoff (if your transition into decel/verbal was on time, you will see that one stride being pretty short as she starts to collect) – then you can rotate and move to the next line.
– to get the timing without risking the bar, take out the jump bar and work it on just a wing. Dellin will TOTALLY let you know if you are late or if you slam on the brakes.
>> I know what this fells like when I run Mari – the decel and the turn, but I felt like I was thinking too hard and it was really messing things up.>>
Put visual markers down on the ground for yourself, like number cones on the side, indicating where she would be when you start the next piece of the transition.
>> I usually cue the wraps with Mari with my back to the jump – it’s more comfortable for me (what I’m used to).>>
Well, cuing it with your back to the wing also means you need to be there really early… and that is not always possible nowadays as courses evolve . And plus it is a really strong collection cue that Dellin is unlikely to need (based on the training advances we have all made).
>> Trying to do the front cross leaves me facing the wrong way too long since I’m not turning quickly enough and leaving (I’m facing the tunnel too long).>>
Only when you are late starting LOL!! Start it earlier and you will be turned and gone in plenty to time 🙂
I had to back up and work on 1 and 2 jumps. We did manage a couple of reps with more, but overall not the best session.
>> I will rebuild the set up when I get home again and maybe give myself a little more space. I’m not exactly sure how big it was, but once I was trying to cue a wrap, there was not enough room for me to feel comfortable.
You can spread it out but that does not change the timing – the distance here was fine, it was the timing that needs to come sooner.
>>And I still was not using any toy marker
Try to run the courses without her, using the directionals and markers. Dogs are very forgiving when we don’t use a marker, but it is definitely nice to have them in place.
>>and bars were falling all over the place.
That was a timing thing – using the wing only to get your timing going will help, then add the bar back.
>> she used to be able to turn tight. And I need to stop overthinking it!
I think she was reflecting the timing and doing exactly what the timing was asking her to do 🙂 I don’t think it is a jumping issue or a turning issue… purely a timing issue. Because you are moving into it, it will feel a lot earlier than what you did here and will start before you arrive at the wing. it is totally normal to be late when working with a youngster, because we don’t have areal feel for her speed yet, we have to think about a million different things (and so does she) and she is not experienced enough to ‘help’ if the info is late 🙂
Have fun camping! Let me know what you think!
TracyYep, we totally don’t want her chasing things while you jog the sequence. Can you leave her in the house? I also put the young dogs in their crates in the car near my yard, with the doors open, etc, while I walk sequences.
Hi!
It is a great background!! So fun to see and hear!And yes, working in a new place is great for her, and she did well. She is not qute running yet when you are not running, but that is fine – with no momentum and you being stationary, she is not likely to sprint to the jumps. All we want on these is that she commits to the jumps, which she did really well!
One suggestion:On the one- step sends, you can wait one more heartbeat to do it. if you let her take the jump and do the send as she is landing, you will get more propulsion to the middle jump. The one-step send was happenign as she was being released, so she did go to the middle jump but she had some questions.
This is especially true when you were behind her after :39 – when you waited to do the send til she was landed, you had more drive to the middle jump (like at :59).Rear crosses are a little trickier 🙂 Youwere able to get them sometimes but not others, and it was because you were too close to the RC jump when you were cuing it, so she didn’t always see t in time. To make the cues earlier, she needs to see them starting as she lands from the middle jump in the form of the RC pressure line. The key is to decelerate at the middle jump so she catches up to you and so she turns and looks at the RC jump…. then you can drive to the center of the bar on the RC jump so she accelerates and sees that you are getting ready for the rear cross.
That RC pressure line is the key! I added a couple of variations on this setup yesterday for RCs, it might make it easier to cue them. They are here:Great job here! Have fun!
TracyGood morning and welcome! I’m so glad to see you here 💓
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This first set of games and courses is all about cueing early enough, and finding out if there is anything we need to train better (spoiler alert: there always is hahahaha)
I’m looking forward to seeing him in action!
TracyGood morning!
>>Thanks, I’m finding it so much easier to teach him than #1. Might be the dog, or might be that I actually have an idea as to what I want to teach him now.
Both! But you definitely have done a great job teaching him.
>>Everyone’s first agility dog deserves a special place in heaven>>
Omg this is TRUTH!!!!
Hi! The first live is 4 jumps and a tunnel – and the info gets sent out about 36 hours in advance.
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Hi!
Using a Samsung to a PC, after uploading/editing and saving to the computer:try going to http://www.drive.google.com
then open a new document (it is on the right hand side of the page on my computer)Just below the title, you will see “Insert”
Click on that, then click on Image, then click on upload from computer – then you can either click on a video to add, or you can drag and drop it directly in the document.then in the upper right hand corner, click on “Share”
In the box that comes up, you can change “Restricted” to “Anyone with link” by clicking on it.Then copy the link and paste it into the forum. Let me know if that helps!
Thanks,
TracyHello and welcome to you and the Shelties 🙂 I am glad you are all having fun! And yes, now we will work on timing, connection, verbals, etc – it will be fun! Enjoy!
TracyHellooooooo and welcome back! 18 months!!!! Now the fun REALLY begins! I am looking forward to seeing her work 🙂
TracyWhich device do you use to video, and do you want to load directly from that device?
Happy to help 🙂This fits nicely into your yard! You made it work nicely, in terms of capturing the challenges for him. He is looking REALLY good!!!
The opening line of 1-2-3 looked strong each and every time. You had really great connection and motion!!!
Things got spicy after the tunnel 🙂
On the first run, – when you are ahead after the 3 tunnel and showing 4-5-6, he had a little question (ticked the bar of 4 and slowed down at 5). He also had a question in the same spot at 1:11 where he did not take 4. A few things to help him there:
More connection back to him in the form of reaching your arm back to him (fingers to his nose so he can see your face more) will help him see the line more, and also saying “jump” as you look at him will help too! If you start the verbals before he even enters the tunnel, you can then be connected and turning after he exits, to set the line nicely for him.The connection was definitely better at 1:37 on the 3rd rep! You can now also be turning sooner for 5 and also for the line back to the tunnel: when you see he is committing to 5 (the middle pinwheel jump) you ca take off (with connection of course :)) and give him his ‘go utnnel’ cue. You were decelreated and a little turned forward, and he had a loss of focus – the loss of focus might have been due to the decel and disconnection… or might have been due to a really interesting distraction LOL!
On the last rep, the connection was also better at 2:19 then he had a moment at 2:24 where he looked committed then changed plans on 6 at the last moment – at first I thought it was just a distraction but then when I played it in slow motion: his change of course came at the very instant you stopped looking at him and looked ahead. he was probably watching you and thought you wanted a blind – this is normal for young dogs to be so quick to come off lines. So definitely support that line to the tunnel with more comnection and motion til he is just about in the tunnel.
>.I may be better off picking small sequences out of the full courses and working on those.
That can totally work!
>>I do have full ring time available on Mondays, Tuesdays and some Fridays. Courses however are set, and I’m not going to take them apart and rebuild them in an hour rental, so I’ll try and pick parts that seem to fit.>>
yes – it doesn’t make sense to take them apart and rebuild them, it would take up all the rental time! So definitely work those courses with the themes in mind, and we can look at that instead of the full courses here!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning! Great session here, because it helps us really figure out what Watson needs in terms of handling and training. YAY!!!
Sequence 1:
>>My set up has jump 4 slightly off set and the tunnel a bit more curdled so it is not a straight exit to the jump.>>
It might have been offset, but we can convince him to take it anyway 🙂
For that last jump, at :04 – more connection will help, really looking down to him: you were looking ahead and pulling the toy out so he didn’t take the jump. See below for another idea about this pesky jump LOL!Seq 2: Very nice run! The “right” verbal was a tiny bit late (just after his head went into the tunnel) but your physical cue (turning) was perfectly timed so he had no questions about where 4 was here.
Seq 3:
>>Seq #3 Watson missed jump 5 and jump 8 in this sequence. Also had a refusal at #3. I stopped my motion too soon. I may have had too much forward motion on the pinwheel. Need a strong get out cue on 8>>Yes – you did a shorter lead out which put you behind, and you did a very subtle decel at 2-3 that overrode your go tunnel cue (plus you were behind and looking ahead of him, which changes the shoulder position. So for the handling, as you mentioned, keep moving forward til you see him driving to it. And, for the training side since you did say tunnel: we will be working on getting strong tunnel verbals in the next set of games, to help the verbal override motion and make this easier 🙂
:20 – Yes, in the pinwheel the shoulder turn was late (ideally it happens right after he exits the tunnel to start setting up the pinwheel BUT he could have dug in and taken that jump (he was in GO FAST mode LOL!) so you can do a bit of the Lazy Game with him like Levy did in MaxPup, to help Watson understand that we really appreciate it when he takes the jump even when we aren’t perfect 🙂
Motion and Verbal were great to the last jump at :25… but your connection was forward of him as you tossed the toy – so he was not sure which side of you to be on, and took the jump that you were closest to (good boy, that is a good decision :))
Last sequence:
>>Seq #4 I ran the pinwheel instead of the outside jumps on this seq. Watson read the pinwheel nicely.>It was still a really strong sequence! Good body turn before he entered 2 so he exited looking for 3 (yay!) and at :31, look how you were nice and early (definitely in the WOO!) on the shoulder turn to 4 and he took it, no problem. Very nice!
>>He came out of the tunnel very wide at #7 and had trouble finding # 8. >>
At :35, as he we going into the tunnel, you were saying GO TUNNEL GO TUNNEL and you accelerated forward as if you wanted a straight exit… so he processed that and exited straight at :36. Then he saw where you were and worked his fuzzy tail off for find the jump you wanted even thought it would have been easy to go around it. (DOUBLE GOOD BOY, WATSON!!). To get a sweeter turn, the left verbal and turning to the next line all before he goes into the tunnel will help like you did on the 2-3 section of this course.
>>I did not use decel motion cue to get a smooth tight turn and got a refusal at #9>>
At :37, he got pretty close to the wrap jump but then came off it as you started to rotate – I think the motion (I saw some decel) and verbal were all good, so the thing you will want to add to your WOO here is more connection, looking at him more directly in that moment. The question on 7 created a zig zag line, so more connection will help you push him back to the line on 8.
You almost got that last jump! So close! Your connection was MUCH stronger here so yes keep working the big connection. But also, I think this can also become a lazy game moment – send him to the tunnel and kind of stroll past that jump… then reward him when he takes it 🙂 Any time the handler has to be sheer perfection to get a line, we can do more training of the lazy game to help the dogs see the line better 🙂
>>I am proud at how happy and engaged Watson was. I don’t think he noticed my mistakes except for the refusals but he happily kept going. >>
Yes, I thought it was a lovely session! You took the oopsie moments as information, he got rewarded, it was fast and FUN! So his engagement was great.
Great job! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
