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Hi Tracy
Ok, tried to correct a couple of things you mentioned when we did todays work at lunch doing the double crosses.
Week 4 – Wingin’IT 3 – Double Crosses
Started on the side for Beka’s better turn but not mine. It went much better in the other direction – I turn better/faster that way. Just gonna say this is NOT going to be a ‘go to’ move for us – LOL!
Week 4 – Wingin’IT 4 – Ladder 1
Did this one at supper. I was late here and there but it went pretty awesome overall. And again I get around things a bit better one side versus the other side.
Week 4 – Wingin’IT 5 – Ladder 2
Finished off quick with this one a bit later this evening. Hardest problem was me remembering what to do on the last wing – LOL!
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
>>I do think it would be easier if you had more distance between the 2 jumps, they look very close together LOL!! That means she makes a very early decision.<<
I think it was about 17′ for the spacing, so put is more to 20-21′ I am thinking.
>>For the backsides, I think you can give her more intense eye contact with your arm even further back, and call her name to be like “HEY THIS IS NOT THE FRONT” lol!! It is a hard skill for a baby dog. I thought 1:10 and 1:58 were pretty strong – but she was locked onto the front of the 2nd jump so you need to be more forceful a bout the connection. She always got it perfectly on the second rep, the oopsie was a bit of a wakeup call for her LOL! Then 2:28 was super nice! She is getting it and I think a bit of extreme connection and a name call will get it.<<
OK, more intense connection and arm back farther but doesn’t arm back farther to some extent mean farther across the path too before she is taking off for the jump before?
>>For the wraps – you needed to be earlier on the cues on the first bunch. Your verbal at :42 was spot on (before liftoff for the jump) so the decel needs to start there too. Compare that to 2:13 where the timing was great!<<
Hmm, I actually thought I was early on the verbal on both of those reps as it was as she was taking off or just before and I thought generally we are after on landing from the jump before?
>>At 1:30 I think you wanted a wrap but you totally did the pull & flick RC handling so she RC’d (see below). Compare it to 1:45 where you were on the correct line to the wrap wing and it looked good!<<
Yes, here I wanted the wrap and I was trying to start was my rotation for the wrap but I was only starting it really when she had pretty much arrived so it looked like a RC with my overall position and hand position also. Then I felt I over compensated on the next rep and stayed facing forward for longer than I should have for the wrap. And the problem at 1:10 will lead to a question for you on the RC.
>>About those pull & flick RCs – the reps at :49, 56, 1:02 and 1:53 were pull & flick, meaning you ran on the wrap side of the jump then cut across her line from halfway between the jumps, which makes it harder for her to read as a RC. You were actually a little too far ahead, so you were showing the wrap line then trying to cut in for the RC (which is why she though it was a RC at 1:30.
Compare it to 2:40, when you went to the wing of the jump after the tunnel, set the RC line then drove to the center of the next jump -that was lovely true RC handling.So to make it look different for her, you should be running to the wrap wing for the FC wraps, but for the RCs run to the “set’ wing which is the wing of the jump after the tunnel, then decel there so you can let her catch up and show her the RC diagonal.<<
OK, so with the tunnel added in (and thinking ahead to the first jump being added) I am trying to get on a RC line directly from where I send her to the tunnel and during the RC using my right hand to try to help show her that we are turning on the jump. I was starting to wonder if I was in the wrong place on a lot of them and should get closer to the lead in jump, do a bit of decel (which I always worry about doing as it puts me farther back than I already am) and then RC from there, which is why the 2:40 one is like that – so that is the better way to do it then.
So, you know that once I try to add in the jump before the tunnel she is going to smoke me to the jump after the tunnel, right? 😉
One other question – when I am trying to teach the wrappy RC’s I will use my dog side hand like I was. Should I just drop that? I am starting to wonder it that isn’t making it look too much like I am possibly going to start the pivot for a wrap which might be why it is confusing for her at times.
Week 4 – Wing’n IT – Part 1 – FC and Spin Commitment
So did this late last night. this is everything we did and it wasn’t much. Of course, Beka is a righty and I seem better on my timing (and getting turned) when she is turning left (figures). I was still a bit late reconnecting on the spins, she gives a couple of good looks at coming in (first time I didn’t look the right way to start).
Week 4 – Wing’n IT – Part 2 – BC to Cross
Did this this afternoon. Only significant issue was when she started cutting inside the first wing on the right turn side when I went to repeat the spin on that side. She was wider turning on the left turn side. I think I was later starting the blind on that side also.
Thanks
Lori
HI Tracy
Have been trying to sort out the different turns on the Straight lines 4 ways. It goes pretty decently with the 2 jumps only because I can get into a decent position before releasing her, but once I add in the tunnel and all that speed it falls apart some. All the turns start to look the same on my part at the point she needs to make her decision so I keep getting different behaviours.
This is what we did today – virtually no verbals used to see if we could get the behaviour with the extra speed involved with the tunnel. Yes I know way too many reps, at least it wasn’t too warm today like it has been. I am stumped a bit on making the lines different enough to get the turn I want knowing where I will be coming from when I add in the jump before the tunnel. SIGH….
Think I am going to leave this one for a bit and come back to it later.
Lori
HI Tracy
Shoot! Didn’t see this until after we worked on this today. Did it a bit earlier as we are expecting rain and even as we worked it was sprinkling a bit.
After rewatching the demo video I decided that I likely needed to widen the distance from the jump to the tunnel – I had it as 15′ but that was the dogs path, so it was pretty tight. Turns out on the full sequence, even set wider, I didn’t have a lot of room to get through the gap between the tunnel and jump as Beka was also going through it.
>>Rather than post turn to face the tunnel, cue it and let her see a spin as you get to your left side. The post turn cues a straighter exit on the tunnel, so the repeated bek bek bek did bring her back to the jump – but a spin will cue a tighter turn so she will exit facing the jump (plus it gets you up the line sooner and more easily :)) You can also use your ‘right’ verbal for the tunnel exit there, so she hears it before she enters the tunnel.<<
LOL! Doing the full seq the first time I did the post turn but it felt wrong as I thought it was slowing me down getting out of there to show the serp, SOOOO, I walked turning the other way there and did that, wasn’t even thinking of it as a spin. It felt so much better for me for a) getting out of there, and b) getting on my next line faster.
Sorta did and sorta didn’t forget to use our ‘right’ entering the tunnel. A comment was made recently that she is turning somewhat wide on those commands out of tunnels so is it useful to use them if not getting the expected result. She has almost exclusively only done straight tunnels when using those commands so far. the last couple are the first time using a curved tunnel that I can think of. Thoughts?
Edited to add – apparently the rain has been pushed off some so I set up the Week 3 Straight lines 4 ways where we got stopped when Beka’s teres major issue showed up (her rehab vet says it’s ok now to start doing some tighter/wrappy turns – YAY!)
Week 3 – Straight Lines 4 Ways – 2 jumps
GAH! I messed up videoing the 2 jumps the first set when she had trouble with the rear cross. Only once I put a toy out on the back side of the jump would she turn the right way on the RC.
So this video is doing the 2 jumps again after a break in the AC (it’s not even really hot but it’s humid right now). I did a couple of really bad lines on the RC (will pull out the leash for the next time), and once started too early so she thought backside correctly (and yes, bad me I said leave it). And I see I need to reward the sit a bit – didn’t today.
I really don’t know how I am going to get up for the RC and the backside once we get to including the jump before the tunnel.
Question as I couldn’t tell from the video for this one. What is your verbal for the RC wrap away from you?
I have been using ‘turn’ with all the dogs to mean turn away from me on landing but I have been thinking using the regular wrap verbals of dig and check and get them to the point of being able to do it regardless of where I am. I see an advantage there for when I am way behind on a line but wanted to get your thoughts on that.
Beka isn’t really getting the concept yet of dig means wrap right regardless of where I am and of course it will take some time to get her to understand that and wondering if it is really the right approach to use the same verbal.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
Got back to the serp work today. Started working on the 2 sequences.
Week 6 – Serpentine – Sequence 1
So, the whole CT thing re the videos I found a little confusing for this one so probably didn’t do it correctly. I did drop a couple of the middle reps out in the first part and the last bit was done later on in the evening – only did that one rep – i liked it so we stopped – LOL!
Week 6 – Serpentine – Sequence 2
Started the first part of this earlier also then did the second part later on, haven’t tried putting it together yet, that is for tomorrow. She had a couple of issues, in the first part she went straight for the tunnel, worked on that, only took a couple of reps breaking it down. Then in the second part with the tighter turn out of the tunnel, that was tougher for her, I also need to settle on how to call her – thinking Bek repeated rather than Beka, this is one place I prefer one syllable.
And yes, I noticed that my feet are turned a little on the one section (LOL!), will work on that as Beka learns to make that turn out of the tunnel.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
>>Also, a question: are you going to use the cross arm for th eserps, or the dog-side arm? By having her come to the reward in your hand, it ended up being a cross arm cue. <<
EEEK! I never even thought of that for this. Yes, not using the cross arm for serps, that will be for threadles. toy will be on ground going forward.
Thanks!
Lori
Hi Tracy
We tried out the first part of the Serpentine game today.
Week 6 – Serpentine
Not postive the video is correct for the CT instructions, but hopefully close.
I messed up on this and totally forgot to do the 2 jumps from a stay before doing it with the wrap on the first jump into the serp. Didn’t notice until much later and was able to do it after I got off work at 9PM – gotta love living farther north in the summer 🙂
So this is the 1 jump and 2 jump (motion) we did this morning:
Here is the 2 jump with the stay:
She was perfect on the DOR side so only did the 2, one walking and 1 jogging. The DOL was more of an issue so I adjusted the angle of the second wing and worked back to straight again. I did each angle 2X but only put one in the video of each.
Thanks
Lori
Hi
Excellent. Probably won’t get back to this one before Wednesday at the earliest between work and other stuff.
thanks!
Lori
Hi
>>So, instead of facing the first jump straight on, she should be parallel to the wing so she steps in sideways to the first jump and not forward. <<
So more like this –
A couple aren’t as parallel to the jump. the feet on these wings make it a bit awkward to set her up sometimes.
>>She is doing something interesting: she is leaping onto the board, landing at the top of the yellow, rather than running up the board. It might be the visual of the long jump? <<
I noticed that a couple of times. I have seen it a couple of times before depending on where her footfalls into the plank put her. She has been known to jump into tunnels at times too. I will play with it a bit.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
will try to do all the things you mentioned on future sessions. I wasn’t running much as I only had sandals on and they weren’t tightened up properly for me feet not to slip in them – LOL! Will wear appropriate footweat next time 🙂
Week 7 – ZigZag Grid
When I saw this I figured I would do it before the serpentine game. This is actually her second session as I did a quick one to figure out a decent starting point for her based off her slice grid work. Did some rewarding the sit as she had broken when I lifted my arm for the serp when figuring out the set up.
Towards the end I flattened it a few more inches.
Week 7 – Teeter – Angled Entries
Have squeezed in a couple of sessions with the teeter since the last post and today tried the angled entries with her. First time wasn’t too sure but not sure why as after that she seemed fine?
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Lori
Hi
Ok, will do that with the next couple of teeter sessions.
Did the lead out work today from Week 7
Week 7 – Lead Outs
Did a fair bit of rewarding the sit but cut most out from the second sessions video.
Had the most trouble with the lead put push which isn’t a surprise really since it is serp like, I need to work my line on the one also.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
Did a little more on the Teeter yesterday.
Also did a bit of the Teeter bonus game too. At one point I didn’t notice that the yoga mat fell off, but that still went pretty well.
Week 1 – Mountain Climber – treat platform and some movement
First rep is the first one with any movement in the teeter. Rest are after I changed the location so we could do some different work with the teeter. A little concerned but worked through it pretty quickly, the bit where she gets up from the side we did a few times before trying from the sit position again. I am using a yoga mat a bit as a cushion and also because the ground is too uneven to get a small enough distance for the drop, so I need to fill the gap a bit.
Week 3 – Teeter Bonus Game
Sort of forgot that this was for trained dogs when I decided to do this one. Had done some wider lateral to the teeter work before. She didn’t seem to be bothered by this.
I didn’t notice at first that the yoga mat fell out. She did notice it but didn’t seem to be too bothered by the extra drop or noise.
Thanks
Lori
HI Tracy
>>Wow, impressive work, Todd! It looks great! She looks very confident. Bummer to hear about her tight teres but she should be feeling fine soon.<<
Yes, he did a great job on it, even has an alumnim tube for the cross piece and a platform for the target to be attached. She did great given it’s been a week and for sure hoping she is better soon. Was happy to see the extension on the class – we need it.
>>My only suggestion is to place the reward further up on the board. The reward placement here stops her with her front feet too far back. You can have the reward placed just on the very end of the board, or on a target that is attached just past the end of the board. That way her front feet go all the way to the end of the board rather than stopping short. She was not stopping short because of a confidence issue, she was stopping short because of where the cookie was LOL!
For the next session, change the reward placement and see if she is still super confident. If so, you can then add the tiniest bit of movement to the teeter, so it tips a cm or two.<<
Yes, planning on doing that but didn’t want to change too much this time. Will do that next time. The tipping is going to stressful for ME – LOL!
>>There were 2 videos here but they were identical – was there supposed to be a different one?<<
Oops! guess I hit ctrl-v 2x – only one video.
We did a bit of bang game work but no vid – she is tending to let her rear end go off the side of the teeter away from where I am – can I put something in to prevent that so she doesn’t rehearse that?
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
So Beka is restricted a bit right now as her right teres major is a little tight so no fast/tight turns to the left are allowed to keep from abducting the right leg (can do some right turns). It’s doing better as of her recheck last week and has a recheck next week, but until she is cleared can’t do much of the handling stuff for now.
So this week haven’t done much stuff as was also waiting on Todd to make something for me 😉
Week 1 – Teeter Mountain Climber – Wraps
Todd built a TeachIt for me. This is technically her second time on it as I did a short session before pulling out the phone to tape. Since she seemed to be pretty confident going up it I added the wing for wrapping.
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Lori
Hi Tracy
<Yes, you have to be 1000% certain that the support will not move. Do you have something other than the light wing jump? Those wings are very light and more likely to move. A more solid wing can work, but I prefer something that is more solid like the teach it I was using, or a saw horse of some sort. We don’t want to to move from under her.>
No, nothing other than wing jumps, I have fully pvc ones I could switch to for now
So, a question about the teeter work – is this going where the video I found on the website selling the teach it is going? using it for the entire training process? I think it’s pretty cool actually.
The actual ‘teach it’ would be expensive to buy with excessive shipping because of the border crossing due of the pvc parts and their size. Wonder if they might sell just the metal pieces….
Do you think a fully pvc one would work for a while? Todd could make me one out of pvc that we mostly have on hand already.
<Was the food already on the target before she got on there – it was hard to tel if you were putting it there beforehand or after she started moving. I prefer to have it there beforehand so she can trust it will be there as she moves up the board.>
Yep, food is always placed there first. While we were working on getting her back up to the end I would give some to her on the way up.
<They have some value for the target based on the strike a pose games, and they have value for 4 on the board – so even if they don’t fully know 2o2o, you can begin to shape it when they offer getting on the end of the board. The presence of the target is part of the reinforcement process.>
EEEK! Forgot all about the strike a pose work! It seems so long ago since I played with any of that. Will pull that out again!
thanks!
Lori
