[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

Tried the lap and tandem turn work tonight. Need som help with the tandem turn….

Week 7 – Wingin’IT – Lap Turn

Definitely some sided-ness on this one. Much easier to get the right turn vs the left turn. I think on the left turn side I may have been making too much eye contact rather then looking down at my hand??

Week 7 – Wingin’IT – Tandem Turn

Need some help with this one. Again the initial work was easier DOR vs DOL (without the tunnel into it), but oddly enough with the tunnel added in DOL was easier than DOR (pretty much couldn’t get her to come in DOR then). I had the tunnel ends both pointing about the same way – to just outside the wing on that side.

Should I set the tunnels to point more to the inside of the wing to make it easier? It’s about the only thing I can think of to help.

Have a verbals question for both of these –

Lap turn – do you ust one for this one? I’ve done lap turns that would be proper wing wraps and also that would be a left/right type of turn so would it just be the word that you would use for the shape of the turn that matches best?

Tandem Turn – Similar question – do you use a verbal for this one?

Also wondering about the use of the hand as compared to threadle hand in particular and also to threadle 360 wraps after what we talked about at the seminar. There you mentioned using a high single off arm for the threadle slice held in position, and two arms for the threadle 360 wrap one high one low also held in position.

For the tandem turn I have used a low off arm and then as they pass me do a flip of that hand – does that still make sense with the hand use on the threadles? I think it does but wanted to check.

Thanks

Lori

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[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

>>The only thing I saw was that when you were really running, she would sometimes leap onto the board a bit rather than run up it (like at 1:13). So, since we don’t want her to add any leaping dance moves LOL, don’t be quite as fast for now. But, she is definitely looking ready for a tiny bit more tip, so can you lower the teach it maybe half an inch? And add the yoga mat under it again?<<

I noticed those myself, thought it might have been her stride in not being what she was expecting.

Can only drop an inch at a time but will have the yoga mat in to reduce the tip. this session it was tipping less then last session.

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

We have done a few before where I did some running past the end of the teeter.

I did a couple with leading out to guarantee being ahead, a few wraps where I tried to keep ahead, a couple of wraps to RCs – none of them seemed to be an issue.

Thanks

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

HI Tracy

OK, arm in more – it was pretty in for me – LOL!

So for a change of pace I finally got back to some teeter work, didn’t realize it’s been 2 weeks since we did it last. Began with just making sure no issues given the amount of time since last one, added in the boards (forgot you wanted them projecting less so fixed that part way through).

She is funny when the sardines come out – heads right for the teeter and climbs up it looking for them on the treat plate. I left several of those ‘I want my sardine’ moments in, even the one while I was starting the video up. Sardine for the win for this one – LOL!

Had the yoga mat in only for a couple of the reps as it kept wanting to fall off. She seems fine without it but I think I will adjust the drop next session and put it in place for the first couple as I don’t have the infinite adjustment that the proper teachit has as we are using bolts put through holes in the pvc to support the crossbar and those are about 1″ apart.

Thanks

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

Ok, tried to correct a couple of things you mentioned when we did todays work at lunch doing the double crosses.

Week 4 – Wingin’IT 3 – Double Crosses

Started on the side for Beka’s better turn but not mine. It went much better in the other direction – I turn better/faster that way. Just gonna say this is NOT going to be a ‘go to’ move for us – LOL!

Week 4 – Wingin’IT 4 – Ladder 1

Did this one at supper. I was late here and there but it went pretty awesome overall. And again I get around things a bit better one side versus the other side.

Week 4 – Wingin’IT 5 – Ladder 2

Finished off quick with this one a bit later this evening. Hardest problem was me remembering what to do on the last wing – LOL!

Thanks

Lori

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[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

>>I do think it would be easier if you had more distance between the 2 jumps, they look very close together LOL!! That means she makes a very early decision.<<

I think it was about 17′ for the spacing, so put is more to 20-21′ I am thinking.

>>For the backsides, I think you can give her more intense eye contact with your arm even further back, and call her name to be like “HEY THIS IS NOT THE FRONT” lol!! It is a hard skill for a baby dog. I thought 1:10 and 1:58 were pretty strong – but she was locked onto the front of the 2nd jump so you need to be more forceful a bout the connection. She always got it perfectly on the second rep, the oopsie was a bit of a wakeup call for her LOL! Then 2:28 was super nice! She is getting it and I think a bit of extreme connection and a name call will get it.<<

OK, more intense connection and arm back farther but doesn’t arm back farther to some extent mean farther across the path too before she is taking off for the jump before?

>>For the wraps – you needed to be earlier on the cues on the first bunch. Your verbal at :42 was spot on (before liftoff for the jump) so the decel needs to start there too. Compare that to 2:13 where the timing was great!<<

Hmm, I actually thought I was early on the verbal on both of those reps as it was as she was taking off or just before and I thought generally we are after on landing from the jump before?

>>At 1:30 I think you wanted a wrap but you totally did the pull & flick RC handling so she RC’d (see below). Compare it to 1:45 where you were on the correct line to the wrap wing and it looked good!<<

Yes, here I wanted the wrap and I was trying to start was my rotation for the wrap but I was only starting it really when she had pretty much arrived so it looked like a RC with my overall position and hand position also. Then I felt I over compensated on the next rep and stayed facing forward for longer than I should have for the wrap. And the problem at 1:10 will lead to a question for you on the RC.

>>About those pull & flick RCs – the reps at :49, 56, 1:02 and 1:53 were pull & flick, meaning you ran on the wrap side of the jump then cut across her line from halfway between the jumps, which makes it harder for her to read as a RC. You were actually a little too far ahead, so you were showing the wrap line then trying to cut in for the RC (which is why she though it was a RC at 1:30.
Compare it to 2:40, when you went to the wing of the jump after the tunnel, set the RC line then drove to the center of the next jump -that was lovely true RC handling.

So to make it look different for her, you should be running to the wrap wing for the FC wraps, but for the RCs run to the “set’ wing which is the wing of the jump after the tunnel, then decel there so you can let her catch up and show her the RC diagonal.<<

OK, so with the tunnel added in (and thinking ahead to the first jump being added) I am trying to get on a RC line directly from where I send her to the tunnel and during the RC using my right hand to try to help show her that we are turning on the jump. I was starting to wonder if I was in the wrong place on a lot of them and should get closer to the lead in jump, do a bit of decel (which I always worry about doing as it puts me farther back than I already am) and then RC from there, which is why the 2:40 one is like that – so that is the better way to do it then.

So, you know that once I try to add in the jump before the tunnel she is going to smoke me to the jump after the tunnel, right? 😉

One other question – when I am trying to teach the wrappy RC’s I will use my dog side hand like I was. Should I just drop that? I am starting to wonder it that isn’t making it look too much like I am possibly going to start the pivot for a wrap which might be why it is confusing for her at times.

Week 4 – Wing’n IT – Part 1 – FC and Spin Commitment

So did this late last night. this is everything we did and it wasn’t much. Of course, Beka is a righty and I seem better on my timing (and getting turned) when she is turning left (figures). I was still a bit late reconnecting on the spins, she gives a couple of good looks at coming in (first time I didn’t look the right way to start).

Week 4 – Wing’n IT – Part 2 – BC to Cross

Did this this afternoon. Only significant issue was when she started cutting inside the first wing on the right turn side when I went to repeat the spin on that side. She was wider turning on the left turn side. I think I was later starting the blind on that side also.

Thanks

Lori

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[Lori-Anne Harker]

HI Tracy

Have been trying to sort out the different turns on the Straight lines 4 ways. It goes pretty decently with the 2 jumps only because I can get into a decent position before releasing her, but once I add in the tunnel and all that speed it falls apart some. All the turns start to look the same on my part at the point she needs to make her decision so I keep getting different behaviours.

This is what we did today – virtually no verbals used to see if we could get the behaviour with the extra speed involved with the tunnel. Yes I know way too many reps, at least it wasn’t too warm today like it has been. I am stumped a bit on making the lines different enough to get the turn I want knowing where I will be coming from when I add in the jump before the tunnel. SIGH….

Think I am going to leave this one for a bit and come back to it later.

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

HI Tracy

Shoot! Didn’t see this until after we worked on this today. Did it a bit earlier as we are expecting rain and even as we worked it was sprinkling a bit.

After rewatching the demo video I decided that I likely needed to widen the distance from the jump to the tunnel – I had it as 15′ but that was the dogs path, so it was pretty tight. Turns out on the full sequence, even set wider, I didn’t have a lot of room to get through the gap between the tunnel and jump as Beka was also going through it.

>>Rather than post turn to face the tunnel, cue it and let her see a spin as you get to your left side. The post turn cues a straighter exit on the tunnel, so the repeated bek bek bek did bring her back to the jump – but a spin will cue a tighter turn so she will exit facing the jump (plus it gets you up the line sooner and more easily :)) You can also use your ‘right’ verbal for the tunnel exit there, so she hears it before she enters the tunnel.<<

LOL! Doing the full seq the first time I did the post turn but it felt wrong as I thought it was slowing me down getting out of there to show the serp, SOOOO, I walked turning the other way there and did that, wasn’t even thinking of it as a spin. It felt so much better for me for a) getting out of there, and b) getting on my next line faster.

Sorta did and sorta didn’t forget to use our ‘right’ entering the tunnel. A comment was made recently that she is turning somewhat wide on those commands out of tunnels so is it useful to use them if not getting the expected result. She has almost exclusively only done straight tunnels when using those commands so far. the last couple are the first time using a curved tunnel that I can think of. Thoughts?

Edited to add – apparently the rain has been pushed off some so I set up the Week 3 Straight lines 4 ways where we got stopped when Beka’s teres major issue showed up (her rehab vet says it’s ok now to start doing some tighter/wrappy turns – YAY!)

Week 3 – Straight Lines 4 Ways – 2 jumps

GAH! I messed up videoing the 2 jumps the first set when she had trouble with the rear cross. Only once I put a toy out on the back side of the jump would she turn the right way on the RC.

So this video is doing the 2 jumps again after a break in the AC (it’s not even really hot but it’s humid right now). I did a couple of really bad lines on the RC (will pull out the leash for the next time), and once started too early so she thought backside correctly (and yes, bad me I said leave it). And I see I need to reward the sit a bit – didn’t today.

I really don’t know how I am going to get up for the RC and the backside once we get to including the jump before the tunnel.

Question as I couldn’t tell from the video for this one. What is your verbal for the RC wrap away from you?

I have been using ‘turn’ with all the dogs to mean turn away from me on landing but I have been thinking using the regular wrap verbals of dig and check and get them to the point of being able to do it regardless of where I am. I see an advantage there for when I am way behind on a line but wanted to get your thoughts on that.

Beka isn’t really getting the concept yet of dig means wrap right regardless of where I am and of course it will take some time to get her to understand that and wondering if it is really the right approach to use the same verbal.

Thanks

Lori

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[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

Got back to the serp work today. Started working on the 2 sequences.

Week 6 – Serpentine – Sequence 1

So, the whole CT thing re the videos I found a little confusing for this one so probably didn’t do it correctly. I did drop a couple of the middle reps out in the first part and the last bit was done later on in the evening – only did that one rep – i liked it so we stopped – LOL!

Week 6 – Serpentine – Sequence 2

Started the first part of this earlier also then did the second part later on, haven’t tried putting it together yet, that is for tomorrow. She had a couple of issues, in the first part she went straight for the tunnel, worked on that, only took a couple of reps breaking it down. Then in the second part with the tighter turn out of the tunnel, that was tougher for her, I also need to settle on how to call her – thinking Bek repeated rather than Beka, this is one place I prefer one syllable.

And yes, I noticed that my feet are turned a little on the one section (LOL!), will work on that as Beka learns to make that turn out of the tunnel.

Thanks

Lori

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[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

>>Also, a question: are you going to use the cross arm for th eserps, or the dog-side arm? By having her come to the reward in your hand, it ended up being a cross arm cue. <<

EEEK! I never even thought of that for this. Yes, not using the cross arm for serps, that will be for threadles. toy will be on ground going forward.

Thanks!

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

We tried out the first part of the Serpentine game today.

Week 6 – Serpentine

Not postive the video is correct for the CT instructions, but hopefully close.

I messed up on this and totally forgot to do the 2 jumps from a stay before doing it with the wrap on the first jump into the serp. Didn’t notice until much later and was able to do it after I got off work at 9PM – gotta love living farther north in the summer 🙂

So this is the 1 jump and 2 jump (motion) we did this morning:

Here is the 2 jump with the stay:

She was perfect on the DOR side so only did the 2, one walking and 1 jogging. The DOL was more of an issue so I adjusted the angle of the second wing and worked back to straight again. I did each angle 2X but only put one in the video of each.

Thanks

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi

Excellent. Probably won’t get back to this one before Wednesday at the earliest between work and other stuff.

thanks!

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi

>>So, instead of facing the first jump straight on, she should be parallel to the wing so she steps in sideways to the first jump and not forward. <<

So more like this –

A couple aren’t as parallel to the jump. the feet on these wings make it a bit awkward to set her up sometimes.

>>She is doing something interesting: she is leaping onto the board, landing at the top of the yellow, rather than running up the board. It might be the visual of the long jump? <<

I noticed that a couple of times. I have seen it a couple of times before depending on where her footfalls into the plank put her. She has been known to jump into tunnels at times too. I will play with it a bit.

Thanks

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi Tracy

will try to do all the things you mentioned on future sessions. I wasn’t running much as I only had sandals on and they weren’t tightened up properly for me feet not to slip in them – LOL! Will wear appropriate footweat next time 🙂

Week 7 – ZigZag Grid

When I saw this I figured I would do it before the serpentine game. This is actually her second session as I did a quick one to figure out a decent starting point for her based off her slice grid work. Did some rewarding the sit as she had broken when I lifted my arm for the serp when figuring out the set up.

Towards the end I flattened it a few more inches.

Week 7 – Teeter – Angled Entries

Have squeezed in a couple of sessions with the teeter since the last post and today tried the angled entries with her. First time wasn’t too sure but not sure why as after that she seemed fine?

Thanks

Lori

[Lori-Anne Harker]

Hi

Ok, will do that with the next couple of teeter sessions.

Did the lead out work today from Week 7

Week 7 – Lead Outs

Did a fair bit of rewarding the sit but cut most out from the second sessions video.

Had the most trouble with the lead put push which isn’t a surprise really since it is serp like, I need to work my line on the one also.

Thanks

Lori

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