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My terrible country internet has stopped playing video tonight so I can’t get this to load. I will try again in the morning!
TWow, these looked great! Easy peasy! You can definitely add in running away on the 90 degree angles, as well as sending him ahead without you moving at all.
One small thought – you can also try them without repeating the verbals the whole time. That will give you a chance to breathe on course and then you’ll have more air to spit out all the other verbals LOL! I have started to limit and quiet my weave verbals so I have more air to yell the other stuff. And that way, he will not pop out if you take a breath in the middle 🙂
Great job!
TracyHi! He was great here! I think this will be a useful game for him so he can relax more in the trial ring.
He seemed very happy to move away from the rewards, and his tricks were happy and fast too. Yay!!! One thing to do for more clarity:
When you are going to run back for more rewards, you don’t need a yes marker or anything, just use the ‘let’s go’ marker for now. That will help solidify things by telling him exactly what is happening. Otherwise the ‘yes’ markers get built in and he might get confused about when exactly he can run back for the reward.
Since this went so well, you can move it on front of a jump or tunnel and add in taking the leash off!
Great job 🙂
TracyHi and welcome to CAMP!! Somehow I missed this, sorry for the delay!
One of our independence goals will be to get him excited for the teeter, all the time! He had a lot of good reps here – and he definitely noticed when you started to move away laterally (that was when he stopped short of the end and looked at you).
So a couple of ideas for that-
Mix in easy reps where you go with him or run ahead with the harder reps where you hang back or go laterally.
And when you move away laterally, do it more gradually, so it is easier for him to process. He will work up to letting you run away on crazy angles and wr can introduce it very gradually (walking and simple angles for now).
Onwards to the next videos. Great job here!
TracyHi!
>>Tying the toy to her leash is a good idea, we will try it. Also having her sit, down etc, taking the leash off, leading out. Wouldn’t that be nice. Should we work this as a separate exercise for now or combine it with our training .>>
For now, keep it separate and when you have it where you want it, we can put it back into sequences.
>>Sequences… did you really mean to have them run from 7-8 and bypass the weaves ?.. That was a little crazy.>>
Oopsie… nope, the 8 was leftover from a different sequence. Oops! I fixed it. But you did a great job with it at 1:07 on the video!
She did well on the 2 independent weave reps at the beginning of the video! She was not as fast as she usually is in the weaves, so perhaps she was wondering if you were going to move LOL! That is something to keep playing with, to see if she can get her normal speed without you also running.
She did well on the teeter sequences too – a question: is her teeter criteria that she can run it as soon as it hits? I think she did pretty well with that, but I would like to see her driving to the end of it more – she was better at :22 when you were also driving ahead but when you were hanging back at :32, she stopped shorter and lifted her head. We can help her keep to driving forward when you hang back. How did you originally train it? If it was a target, we can put it out for the reps where you hang back. If it was the hoop, we can have the reward alreayd placed out there so she has a focal point to drive to. And I think the teeter reps at the end of the video were the same as the teeter reps at the beginning (either that or she is incredibly consistent LOL!) Let me know if I missed something on those.
On the weave sequences: really nice! She was especially good when you were driving ahead at :50 and 1:03 (and super fast!) She was a little wide on the exit of the weaves at :57 but she was perfect on the same exit at 1:25 – on that rep, you called her earlier and turned your shoulders earlier.
Definitely keep working on the driving ahead, throwing rewards as early as you can so she gets really confident letting you hang back – the speed will ten start to match her speed when you are driving ahead.
The other thing on these sequences was that you handling looked great: connection and turn cues were terrific! And that resulted in great lines and really lovely turns. YAY!!!
Great job here!!! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! All of these worked really well 🙂 Yay!
Looking at the weaves- he was successful on these with you moving parallel to him on the 1st two videos here. On the third one, you added more lateral motion away from him: he was successful but a little slower. So on the weaves, since he is doing really well with your motion – we can work on his understanding of doing the weaves without you (driving ahead to and through them while you hang back or move away very laterally). This focus will help transfer to more driving ahead on course too (which translates to more speed too :))
2 ways to approach this with the weaves:
– you can use 6 poles or open up the 12 poles – the goal of that is so the weaves are easier because we are ‘upping’ the challenge of staying in when you are not helping with your motion or parallel position.
– you can have a focal point out ahead after the poles, so he can both look forward (and not think about where you are while he is weaving) and also get rewarded out there. A remote feeder like a manners minder is great, or you can leave a toy or treat on the ground if he can ignore it 🙂Then, send him through the poles with you hanging back to help develop the independence. You can move forward at a walk if that helps, and eventually build to standing still while he drives through the poles. This might take several sessions.
He did well on the teeter! This obstacle is more independent already and that is great. You had a lot of lateral motion on each side and he seemed to drive really nicely to the end on the teeter. Super! You can totally use the teeter in the sequences for success! He looks ready for that with this obstacle. One note about rewards – since your ultimate goal is to build speed, we will also look at rewards. On the Teeter Right Side 1 video, he wasn’t really engaging with the toy and it might have been because it was moving towards him. So you can try to engage him with the toy by moving it away from him so he can chase it more. The more we know about what gets him engaged, the more we can get speed and independence on the lines 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! Looks like all the videos have posted properly 🙂 Yay!
On this first one – he did well when you were moving alongside parallel to him on the 2nd rep and struggled on the first rep when you hung back more. I see more videos below on the weaves, so I will watch those and then we can formuate more of a plan to get more speed and independence 🙂
Hooray for good weather! She did a super job here.
It looks like she was happy to move away from the cookies and do ‘stuff’ 🙂 The focus was great, the stay was great, the touches were great – she was not as quite on the ‘shake’. That might be that she was a little uncomfortable with the exercise (because it is hard!) and when you leaned over her for the shake cue, it might have been a tiny bit of extra pressure. That is good to know, as she gets out and about in new places: ask for easy stuff where you are moving away from her or standing up. And the speed of her responses can be indicative of her comfort level in different places 🙂
She also did really well with waiting for the leash to go back on, that is a critical skill at the end of runs!One question about the marker for the reward: is it ‘get your cookies’ or just ‘cookies’? Either one is fine, as long as you don’t use “get your” or ‘get it’ elsewhere on course 🙂 it might get confusing if she hears a lot of ‘get’ 🙂 I use ‘get’ for things like ‘get out’ so that is why I use ‘let’s go’ for this particular skill 🙂
Great job here!
TracyHi!
>>Patt is a sweet boy and moderately fast. He loves agility and is willing to play by my rules: he has a solid start line, good 2o2o contacts and very good weave skills. Patt also has very good focus and attention. He is not as physically gifted as some dogs and needs practice to manage his body over slice jumps and awkward approaches/striding.
Really, not a bad summary…>>
Ha! We can certainly build on that, including his Agility Grand Championship and all of his other massive accomplishments!
>> Here is an example of a threadle we are having trouble with:
Does he go straight to the off course, or ‘just’ wide? Can he do it when he is not stimulated with motion mid-course?
>>(this is the only way I know to put in a picture — make it into a video. There must be another way?)>>
Let me ask the tech guru – the IMG button on the replies should allow it but it is asking for a URL. I will find out!
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>> I was abit surprised that i managed to get so much arousal at my place. This is good as easier to work at home.
I agree – it is great to get it at home. I think the leash brings the arousal in! It is not something we normally do so the dogs get more stimulated.
>> He directs his focus onto the food almot as if he is tryingto keep focusand the struggles to keep focus when not thrre. Why we struggle these gaes. I think a leach tug might helo but need to build the bridge of nothing>>
Interesting! I know lots of dogs who struggle with that… stay tuned for the game in Package 2 which should help it 🙂
T
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>>Yes, in the first two I had a target loaded with food. I try to be fairly religious with this since the teeter was such a project. After that, no food.
That is what I thought – but she was still targeting to that spot really nicely even without food!
>> So, when you are saying she didn’t know where the reinforcement was coming from, are you referring to the ball? Or that I was mixing food and ball and that made it unclear?>>
If you watch her head after she gets the treat or hits position, she is looking around with really quick movements (like at :48, :57, etc) – sometimes down, sometimes at yuo, sometimes behind her, sometimes away from you and off to the side. So she is looking for *something* 🙂 When you had the toy out ahead, the looking around went away – was she looking for a placed toy? If so, keep on placing the toy just so she can have that predictability.
>>I don’t think I know about the rebound game so if you have a video that would be great. I do agree that when she knows where the ball is she is more intent to hold the teeter down. When it is in a sequence or even the few trial runs we have done she does hold it down.
Yes, I think knowing where to look (ball!) allows her to multi-task and use her hind end better.
Here is a rebound game explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZC6byGinwAnd a bit of a finished product, you can see the weight shifting more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfddwEcTjfY>> She has a strong preference of wanting to do a 4 on. My original intent was to teach that but when the chaos began plans changed. If I can come up with a plan of attack I might do that later.
I like the clarity of the 2o2o – we don’t want to frustrate her. And 2o2o criteria tends to last longer than 4on because it is very specific.
T
Now that I have had more coffee, I thought of one more thing: you can also break it down by making the weaves themselves easier. How did you initially train them? For example, if you used channels, you can have all 12 poles. The first 6 or 8 can be straight and then you can open up the last 4 or so a bit, so they are easier to stay in when you are doing all sorts of crazy handling things 🙂 That can allow for the training we need to do without too much bang on her body.
Let me know if it makes sense or if I am still under-caffeinated hahahaTracy
Hi!
>>Here is Zing’s teeter. This is the crown jewel of all of my training with her. When she began she went CRAZY on the teeter, biting, spinning, etc…So after coming back from my panic attack, I decided to train her teeter, not on a teeter. >>
Whoa! I have met some dogs who do the spinning barking BITING on the teeter (all BCs lol). I am glad you came back from the initial panic with a plan: her teeter looked GREAT here! Was there a cookie planted there on the first few or was she doing a great nose touch? She was SUPER independent… she didn’t give a cr*p about where you went hahahaha don’t take it personally. She did have a question about holding the teeter down with her hind end: it lifted it up a lot and even bounced her off on one rep. That is partially due to the nose touch element. I personally really like the nose touch so I add a game that helps the dog with the whip of the board (the rebound game). It might be something you already know but haven’t done yet, because you’ve been working on “don’t bite the damn board” LOL!! If you have never played the rebound game, let me know and I will send videos.
The only other thing I saw here was that after she initially landed in position, she seemed to not know where to look next (in other words, she didn’t always know when/where the reinforcement was). If you can be earlier with the marker about where to look next (or when/where the reward is coming) then she will know where to look and also I think she will think about holding the board down with her rear.
Not sure how much sequencing you have done with the teeter, but she looks ready for it to go into the sequences here!
>I will now use that with all my dogs I loved it so much. Zing did not get back on a teeter until she was 16 months old, still had to address the going crazy, but we had tools by then. >>
This is inspirational! If only everyone would approach things like you did. YAY!!!!!
>>The last 2 clips are just cause it is HUGE for her to sit beside a teeter, watch the motion, listen to the sound and stay in a control position.
This is indeed huge!!!! In fact, she looked quite zen-like. Almost napping. Was she awake? HA! Just kidding 🙂 She looked great!!!!! I am so thrilled for your progress. I would love to see before/after videos at some point. And Hoot looked great too, of course 🙂
Ok so next steps would be to move the teeter and weaves into the sequences for success (the weaves can be slightly open). Have fun!!!
Tracy
