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Hi! Lots of good work here!!
Seq 2:
Baseline – his commitment looked great! That makes it really fun to ‘try all the things’ because he has all the skills 🙂
For the wrap at jump 4: I think it is a matter of funding the right balance of acceleration and decel. Bearing in mind that he is very responsive, I think you can power him more in these and you don’t need to decel as much or as early. At :06 you decelerated then waited – I think he didn’t need all that, yo can do a short decel and leave for 5.LOVED the blind to the tunnel did I mention I LOVED it?
For the ending: Connect more on the go, nice adjustment on the next rep to connect and get the last jump 🙂Training – For the turn at 4: as you reward, accelerate more and throw the reward, try not to stop him – let him rip after a tight turn 🙂
On those wrap reps:
at :45 – toooo much decel there, he responded but didn’t need you to hit the brakes as much.
Better at :58! Just a little hit of decel is all he needs.7-8-9 to the tunnel: I liked the FCs you did, they looked good, but when I timed it the blind was much faster (also faster at the end when he was more tired). Yay!!!!
Seq 3:
He is doing well here – I am happy with the opening (1-2-3-4-5) all the way through, each time, nailed it. I think you were most confident about sending and leaving at 2 on the last run and he looked great there!
The only spot to tighten is the Blind after tunnel: your reps at :18, :56, 1:06, 1:16 all started after he was in the tunnel, so he was wide on the exit. You started your verbal much earlier at 1:44 and you got the BC starting too, so it was the nicest turn 🙂 One other option there is to send him away to 7 and do afront cross after the tunnel (I know, I love my blinds, but in this case he might see the FC earlier and tighten the line)
On the ending line , I am not sure the BC between the last 2 jumps is better than dog on right because it adds an additional lead change where none is needed for this particular sequence. It would be fun to time it and see if the BC there is faster than just running out dog-on-left!Good thrown rewards here – he loves to chase Nemo 🙂 Wheeee!
For some reason, on the last run he looked at the pinwheel jump between 6-7 at 1:41. When I compared it to the first run, you looked to be more connected on the first run and I think you said right on the first run tooand he read it really well.
One other thought: On some of turns, I think you were saying left or right in places you don’t need it (like the blind on the last 2 jumps) – you can just call his name there, it isn’t really tight end out of a turn to need a directional (unless I heard it wrong LOL!)
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>> When she is jumping 500 mm she jumps more in a square and it doesn’t look as fluid. Thanks for analysing the differences in each sequence.Feel free to run some of these at full height so we can compare and figure out what she needs 🙂
>> When I read your notes about the layering of the dw and the non-numbered jump letting Ruse do the weaves independently I thought that’s crazy!
Well, you’re not wrong, it is pretty crazy LOL!
The opening line looked good – you can play with going to the other side of the backside at 2 but I think this was her best line (the way you ran it).
Good blind at :09 and on the next rep but then your position and line of motion turned her off the weave entry
Maybe more GOGO GO and cue the weaves later, for more verbal emphasis? Yo can also run closer to the jumps before the blind, so she sees a very straight line of motion before going into the tunnelThe other option there is to send her away after the aframe and support the line between frame and tunnel with you heading to the other side of the DW, so you are closer to the weave entry (then rear cross it)
One more option: move the weaves closer to the tunnel exit for training so you can make it easier for her to find them for training. Great job training them at the end of the video!
Wow – check out the flip away at 1:41 after the dog walk!!! That put you in such a perfect place for the entire ending line. YAY!!! We will keep working to get the flip away even more comfy. My only suggestion is that you can try the slice line on the jump after the teeter at the end: it might be faster! That is a good compare and contrast moment to see which is faster.
Great job here!!!!! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! It was fun to compare the different levels of handling and figure out what worked best. These went really well!
Seq 1: Comparing the different levels of cue:
It looked like the turn cue for 8-9 at :19 was appropriate for her, but you can leave sooner so you are moving to the correct line when she lands and so it doesn’t look like the wrap cue (you were tending to remain facing the the jump on the collection cues til she took off, but I bet you can cue and then leave :))I think the main thing is that you don’t need to turn towards her on those collections cues – you can cue it without rotating your upper body so you can leave sooner but doing everything the same but not rotating your upper body towards her as much especially on the turn at 8. The best turn at 8 was at :19ish where you cued and left for 9. That was faster than the last rep where she you didn’t have as much collection cue (1:21) but also she was not coming into it with as much speed. Even so, I think the softer cue that you did at :19 was better – without the turn cue there, she slipped on landing which means she didn’t know the turn was coming.
Sequence 2: oh yay this looked great! Freeze the video at :08 before she lifts off for 4: you were already turned and leaving. Perfect! You could decel a tiny bit more there to get it even tighter but otherwise, it was a great example of cue and go!
The FC 8-9 looked great too and she didn’t find her own line on the ending LOL!Seq 3: the opening might have felt awkward because 2 was supposed to be a backside 🙂 It will run much nicer that way 🙂 To get it nice and tight on the front side, you can stay right by the wing on the takeoff side with a big decel to cue massive collection.
About the backside at 5: Once she’s got commitment to 3, take off for the backside line so you can be there sooner to help her see it more like what you did at :19. You stood still for too long as she committed to 3 on the rep where she missed it, so she just outran you to the 5 jump (you didn’t have enough time to set up the connection needed to get her out there – great adjustment in the moment to get it the next time around!)
I had trouble making out the verbal you used at 6-7? Sounded like in in but it might have been and in in from the 5-6 line? She was a little wide on that 5-6 section but I thought she was SUPER fast, so I don’t want to change anything 🙂 As she gets more experienced, she will make adjustments to stay super fast there and be a little tighter, no need for us to intervene 🙂
I liked the sequence you ran, going directly to 10, that was actually a little harder LOL!
Great job here!!! Let me know what you think!
TracyI would want to leave the dog in the weaves to blind cross the bottom of the dog walk, then blind cross between the 10-11 tunnels.
I need to go look at the map again to see where the last one was.Hi!!
>> I think I am close to having my full vocabulary
I feel this pain LOL!!
I think your list is pretty darned comprehensive 🙂 the only thing to add eventually is the weave threadle but it is a low priority til evolving course design makes it more important 🙂He did really well on this threadle wrap foundations here!! I think the only thing I would recommend is that you hold his collar, your threadle hand stationary in position… then say the cue 3 or 4 times and then let go. He will probably bark 🙂 and also he will probably turn his head to the wing, which is good – but I think it will highlight and isolate the verbal. The timing of the verbal and hand cue was close here, so I think you can separate them more.
Otherwise… time to add motion. Wheeee!!!And about the teeter down… I’ve seen many folks train it as a gateway to a fabulous 4on performance, so that might be the same path for Presto? Very few fast dogs maintain that in the ring (he counts as a fast dog!!)
Nice work here 🙂 let me know what you think!
TracyHi! She is doing really well here!
I would reverse some of the steps you outlined – by using this much hand cue and waiting to add the verbal, the behavior will barely on the physical cue for longer than we want. If we add the verbal cue sooner and have less hand cue, it will become a stronger verbal, sooner 🙂 And based on the trends in course design, we want it to be a very strong verbal because we won’t be able to be right there for the dogs 🙂
So now that she is turning away so nicely, try to use less hand cue, maybe just a little tiny flick away to get her head turned. And if she can do it on the smaller hand cue: add your verbal before you give the hand cue. Then when the verbal is attached, and she is turning away with very little hand cue: the motion will be easy to add.
Let me know if that makes sense 🙂
TracyHi!
No threadle wraps in sequences yet 🙂 Stay tuned for the next set of games!He did really well here too – the ‘don’t take anything’ moments were great – we don’t want him to self-flick!
When you tried the cue for the threadle/wrap when you were next to the weaves, I think he was confused for a moment about whether you wanted the weaves – so get a little ahead in those moments to clarify for him what you want, before starting the cue.
He was basically perfect on the other side! You can keep adding motion to this, or even start him from a wing wrap before it so you are both moving fast. We will build on it in Games Package 4 🙂 And if you prefer the close hand as the cue instead of the outside hand – that’s fine! As long as it is clear to you and the dog, it will work really well too 🙂Great job!!!
TracyHi! I am at a Flyball tournament 🙂
His instant focus looks good here! He wants to watch you,so this is a good prop to use. You can have it closer to you (because it will be closer in a trial setting) but now that there is value, the main this will be about taking it on the road (which I think is what you said to him at the end LOL!) Does he like toys in different environments? You can totally use a toy as a reward! But if he is food-only at a trial, that is perfect. So when you take a road trip, bring him into the environment, then plop the prop down, and then him offer behavior 🙂 Start with an easy, calm environment and see how he does! When is your next time in a trial environment?
Tracy
Thanks, this is a great! I see several spots where the threadle/wrap or a version of it would be used, but we can also creatively get ahead so we don’t need to use it in a couple of spots 🙂
Thanks!
TracyGood morning again 🙂
The Baseline run looked good here! A couple of ideas for you:
On thr 1-2-3, he read it really well. You can start him further back from 1 so he can power into it in extension with a long stride or two – he was a little close so had to collect and sort out his feet, which slows him down.
He did well on the 4-5-6 line too! You can play with sending him from landing of 4 then peeling away more, to see if you can get a better turn on 4 without any reduction in speed, and also so you can get further ahead.
8-9 looked good – you can try it from more laterally away, as that might set you up a little better for 11.
The turn on 11 was a Goldilocks moment: too much, too little, just right LOL!
On the first rep, you had too much decel at 11 and too much OOMPH on the turn cue so he didn’t commit. He is super responsive, so I don’t think you don’t need to crunch down on the takeoff spot for him. He should be able to read it perfectly with decel and a rotation.
Next rep – this on had a good send, but you connected too little on the bl;ind on the exit, so he ended up in the wrong tunnel entry (:45) – it was rewardable, he was correct because he went with the last connection he saw.
Then you had a just right moment on the spin at :57, just remember to keep moving even if you want to reward 🙂 Note how you didn’t need a lot of pressure into the takeoff spot and you just decelerated, rotated, and connected. Nice!
1:13 was a too much moment: too much pressure into the takeoff spot so he read it (correctly) as a backside cue: also rewardable because he was correct 🙂 Pay all the off courses because it is almost always a correct response to our cues 🙂
1:21 was just right! Nice!!!! And good info from him about what he needs and doesn’t need to get the tight turn.Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>> Question…..so if he can’t get to tug but he can do hand touches could I “hand touch” him into the ring?
Yes – if he looks engaged and ready, you can try going into the ring with hand touches and tricks, even if he can’t tug. It will be good to know how he feels in that situation!
>>If he can hand touch he can almost always do through. And at least in that 2nd run at Data Driven where he was pretty distracted once he did the 3 straight jumps to the tunnel he could chase and tug his favorite toy like a demon
Ah yes – arousal came up, he relaxed, and the toy got exciting again 🙂 Plus in the ring there is less pressure form proximity from other dogs and people, that might be a factor.
>> I’ve always wanted to teach either a High Five or a Give Me Five…..just never found/made the time. If I did it with some sort of funny target could that work as both his moving behavior for the Verbals with Arousal and as a Instant Focus Game?
LOL, no, you don’t want to kill those 2 birds together LOL! The verbals with arousal should ideally be free or hand signals or props – because there is only one answer with the prop (so he doesn’t need to process different verbals) and also the hand signal might be he is also not processing verbals. So I would keep it separate for now.
Tracy
Good morning!
Great job trying the various options – it gave us a good sense of what is faster, and what will be even faster when it is tighter.
1st run – he was not as confident as he will be eventually on the in in Threadle on the jump after the tunnel, but he got it and it got you up for the blind is EXCELLENT position! I like how you got way up the line for a great blind!
For the wrap at :12 after the blind – you sent into it more than needed, so he was a bit wide. I think a spin or even just a decel (because he is very responsive) will tighten it up there.He was better with the threadle on the 2nd rep at :22 but has questions about how to jump it – this is something so show him on a lower bar a couple of times so he can sort out his feets for takeoff, then back to full height. It sets you up really well for the next line though, and sets a nice line for him to for the wrap.
Nice job on the wrap to the inside, you cued and left so it was nice and tight! It was a tiny bit faster than the slice but I think that was partially because it was better-handled: if we tighten the slice exit, I think the slice will end up faster.3rd rep – I think a longer lead out (or sending to the wrap wing from further away) will allow you to set the push while he is still in the tunnel – you were setting it after he exited so he had a zig in then a zag back out, which slowed him down. But this is also good to know, for courses where you can’t get ahead to set it: the threadle is a great option there!
Also, pushing from that side makes the line to the next jump and wrap a little slower, so he was slower overall on that one.4th rep – this was the slowest option because of the push being a little late, and the slice having a bit of a wide exit.
I think you handled them all well! The best option is the threadle to the inside wrap, for now 🙂 One additional option to consider for him here is doing a double blind instead of a threadle! That can speed him up through the threadle line while keeping you ahead (because he doesn’t have to do the double blind by himself, he can just chase you handling).Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
I am glad she is feeling better! It looked like something on her foot, so maybe just a bee sting!
I love the egg carton LOL! And it is easy enough to put in the car to take to new places. This is a good game for Maple too!
I think one thing that will help her in the new places (like the garage LOL!) is to bring her in and *then* put the egg carton down, so it become a little more obvious. And if it is still not obvious to her, you an pick it up and put it back down again. As soon as she realized that it was a training opportunity, she did really well! So it is a matter of that very first moment, I think putting the carton down after she enters might help. Keep building value for it and taking it new places 🙂
Great job!
Tracy
