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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! 2020 can go back into the pandora’s box that is came from. UGH!!!! I hope it isn’t too painful!!! And we can totally give you distance things to do. Plus, he is “of age” for certain obstacle training, all of which are started without much movement. Weaves, contacts, etc. Keep me posted!!!!
Perfect! I progress the one jump exercise into motion and with all the angles around the clock before I add the next jump to it. Keep me posted!
Hi again!
I completely agree about practice and plan the videos during the walk through…. all of my new verbals require a lot of brain energy when I am walking a course. Also, even with comfy verbals, I need to plan them when I run my young dogs. Young dogs tend to make us all panic a little bit LOL!!!!!
1st sequence – very nice! You did get your run verbals in (they can be a little earlier out of the tunnel). My only suggestion it to turn your chest towards the bar more on 5 so it is more of a serpentine, to create a smoother line to the tunnel. You turned forward a bit and that created a zig zag.
2nd sequence – good job on the transition into the wrap! I think over the course of the next few months, the timing will shift especially as the bars go up. On the first rep of it, You were fully rotated before she took off, but she was a little wide, which means she made the takeoff decision pretty early – in a good way 🙂 On the second rep at :26, you were earlier with the decel and she read it better! Nicer turn there. So you can try getting closer to big dog timing: when she has landed from the previous jump start decelerating so she sees it sooner – then you can rotate a little sooner too. She has a large dog mindset and I love that!
The missed tunnel at the end of the first run (:18) of a young dog broken connection moment. Even though the tunnel entry was *right there*, you turned away and looked forward so she didn’t take the tunnel. Remember to look right at her eyes as you say tunnel, and keep the connection until she goes in. You did that at :28 on the 2nd rep and she was great about driving to the tunnel. Eventually, when she has more experience, you won’t have to be as perfect 🙂2nd sequence, going to the other side 4:
She saved your butt on the 1st rep LOL! Your blind cross 3-4 started as she took off at :35 so she was a good girl to fight to come back to the new side. You even said “whoa” or something there LOL!!! You were late because you went in a little too deep to the tunnel #2 then she smoked you. You held on and got the turn but then disconnected on the way back to the tunnel at :40… but this time, she took it! Yay!!! Good girl! I like that she is picking up lines when you aren’t perfect, because it is impossible to be perfect all the time.Now, about that #2 tunnel: On the previous reps of this sequence, you went in closer and it was fine because it allowed you to move up the line and make a transition. On this rep where you need a blind nice and early – it is a definite send-and-leave moment so you can be in position for the blind when she exits the tunnel.
You totally left sooner and got to the blind sooner at :46 – your timing of starting it was much better and she read the line really well!! Then be sure to start the transition immediately so she can wrap the next jump nice and tight. You were still flying from the blind, so the wrap cues were a little late and she was wide. It all happens really fast there – be ready to start the transition almost as soon as you finish the blind. You can play with sending-and-leaving even earlier so that you are there with more time, which should make it easier to get the transition going.
The next rep shows you have a great understanding of the timing of the blind: as she exits the tunnel at :59, you started the blind. Perfect timing! Positionally, you can be further up the line and between the jumps: you went a little too close to the #2 tunnel so as you started the blind, you hadn’t yet reached #3 – which meant you were a little in the way when she landed from 3. The main challenge on this sequence is to be how far away you can send to the #2 tunnel so when she exits, you will be maybe halfway between 3 and 4.Next sequence – threadle 4-5: you ran the line perfectly 1-2-3-4 to put you into the position for the threadle! At 1:10 from 4-5, you did a FC/BC spin. That is a good move to use on threadles, but be sure to hold the FC part of it until you see her coming into the gap, then do the BC. By “hold it”, I mean do a FC and run away towards 5 (don’t stand still) so you do the BC to send her to 5 while you are in motion. You did the BC a little early so the reconnection at 1:11 sent her back out to the serp side of 5.
Last rep – you showed a little deceleration right before she entered the tunnel, so she exited turned. You can go in nice and close, but keep moving so she only sees acceleration. The timing of your FC/BC 4-5 was much better and you had your close word going! It looked really smooth.
Really great job here – she is doing a lot of grown up stuff!!!! The hardest thing, I think, was gauging your running lines – for example, how deep to go into the tunnel or when to send and leave. That will come with more experience playing around with these types of sequences – it is the hardest thing about running little dogs: trying to know exactly where to be so you don’t get too far ahead and also so they don’t smoke us LOL!
Great job!
Hi! These went well! I see there are bars in and she seemed to have no problem with the bars, let me know if you saw otherwise while you were running these. Overall, they were pretty smooth. I have a couple of tweaks for you to make them smoother. Both are basically ‘trained’ cues – the serps are a little easier than the threadles. I think threadles are REALLY hard and they went well here!!!
Some specifics:
1st rep -very nice serp! At the start, remember to call her before she goes into the tunnel so she is already turning on the exit. She was blasting out and then realized where you were 🙂
2nd and 3rd reps – Also really nice!!! I don’t think she ever considered the off course tunnel. you can step in a little sooner on the serp jump to send her to the far end of the tunnel – rather than go parallel to jump 2 then push in when she lands, you can try pushing in as she is on her way to 2, before takeoff. It is definitely more challenging because it adds countermotion to the serp but she looks pretty ready!4th rep & 5th rep: serp to threadle: – the opening serp looked great on these! On the threadle: Good job keeping your feet straight! You can start the threadle cue a little sooner so she sees it before takeoff – it can start when she has landed from the previous jump. Then, ideally, the threadle cue also means go-back-out. So, as she is coming in, no need to switch back to the dog-side arm – that confused her a little at :23. You can ‘release’ the threadle arm by swinging it to the next jump, that can help support the line to it. You were quicker with it at :28 and your motion along the line was strong, so she was able to find the last jump more easily.
6th rep – She read the threadle after the tunnel really well, especially after the reps where you wanted her to take the jump rather than come into the gap. You can give her the verbals (name call and threadle word) right before she goes into the tunnel (then again after she exits) so she knows where to go when she exits. Try not to turn your feet – by rotating, you got behind on the serp line which caused you to turn your chest away from the middle jump – even if you arm behind, show serp position by turning your chest to face the middle jump. This is mainly to help her know to go back out to the last jump.
Last rep was really good!! You got out of the threadle quicker, which allowed you to run a great line along the serp jumps and she found it perfectly. Very nice!
Great job on these – they are pretty wicked sequences, very grown up and she did super well 🙂Tracy
Hi-
>>When you say warm up one rep at 10″ before trying 12″, do you mean set point, progressive grid or both? Striding grid adds up a lot of jumping with repetition which then limits what else we do that day.One warm up rep on both of these at 10″ to get the session rolling. It will limit how much else you can do that day, but that is fine – none of the grids is meant to be done every day or more than once or twice a week.
Tracy
Good morning! Good job here! One of the hardest things you’ll find is gauging your lines: meaning, how far ahead to get or where to run closer to the jumps. It comes with time as you get more experience running her. For example: On tunnel sends you often outrun the dog, and also outrun the dog on turf. This was hurting you in the early sequences but helpful on the last sequence. Here are some specifics:
First sequence, getting her to stay out to 5: Try to not get too far ahead here, go in a bit deeper to the tunnel so as she is taking 3, you are accelerating. Send to 4 in acceleration and then move away – that will help her stay out to 5. You were a little too far ahead, then decelerated at 4 and turned, so she came in rather than stayed out.
When you did get it at :39 – keep your shoulders open at 5 so she can see the serp more clearly, rather than turn forward to the tunnel.
On the wrap sequence – here is another spot to go in deeper to the tunnel, so you can then show a transition. On the first wrap rep, you were so far ahead that there was no place to go – so you were moving in a steady motion and that doesn’t cue the turn. She needed to see fast go to slow then go to rotation to turn tighter there. On the 2nd wrap rep, you went in a little more so you were running harder and had a much nicer transition a 1:06. Yay!
After the wrap wing, it is a push through back to the next jump – so stick a little closer so you can step her into the gap. On these reps, you ran forward – she did find the gap, but on the first rep she hit the wing. On the 2nd rep, you strengthened your connection and it really helped!!! Strong connection like that plus one step into the gap will make it perfect 🙂
Last sequence: this was a good one to send to the tunnel and run run run run away 🙂 It made for very good timing of the blind cross at 1:22 and 1:36!!!
I think you were actually working too hard to get her to turn on the wrap jump 🙂 You were using 2 hands and I think you said EASY at 1:24… but you were facing forward so she went wide and hit the bar. Bearing in mind that the transition and rotation are the strong cues – the decel then rotation nice and early will get a great turn! And yes, your verbal turn cues too LOL!
You can also see it at 1:38 – the hand cues were not as strong as the rotation – the rotation ended up being a bit late, which caused a delay in reconnection so she barked and had a zig zag line to the next jump. So the transition becomes even more important on the harder turns. I am fine with using strong hand cues – but those go in during/after the rotation, back to the dog’s nose (I can dig up videos of what Voodoo sees on course haha) and so the rotation is the stronger cue.Nice work here! Let me know if it makes sense!!!
TracyGood morning!
>>the 12″ set point, 12″ with the progressive striding grid,
>> I feel like every time we have done this grid no matter the height he seems to struggle most with the 15′ distance.These were introductory sessions, and with that in mind, they went fine. I think the set point and striding grid went the same as they do each time we show him a new height: he takes a session to look at it and try to adjust. So on the set point, he was hoisting his hind end a little and on the progressive – he added the stride at 15 feet and then was a little inverted on 18 and 21 – not fully comfortable yet. Knowing that this is how he ‘looks’ at a new height, it is perfectly fine 🙂 We show it to him – take a couple of days off. Show it to him again… and he is fine with it 🙂 The only suggestion I would make is one warm up rep at 10″ then going into the reps at 12″.
>> and then the zig zag grid but did not attempt to get the jumps all the way to a straight line.
Good choice! I think he did a great job with the challenges you presented here, and it was smart to then end the session. Getting them straight takes multiple sessions so he can maintain the form you had him doing here.
>>I didn’t use so many wings as I couldn’t figure out how to fit them all in there!
You can overlap the wings, or use wingless to get the distances. It is like a puzzle LOL!
>>Also, not sure what you mean by possibly using weave poles instead of jump bars.
Literally using weave poles as the jump bars, because they are shorter 🙂 Which will make sense with the next answer:
>>As I straighten out the line from zig zag to serp…is the distance mid-bar to mid-bar supposed to stay the same which for us is 4.5′? I’m a bit spatially challenged!
On this grid, the distances are just suggestions as starting points – as the grid flattens out, it is more about adjusting the distances so he bounces rather than staying at 4.5 feet. So you can start at 4.5 feet and then you might need to squish it to get the form. Start this on 3 jumps – and if the distances need to be smaller, you can then use the weave poles as the jump bars.
He is off to a great start on this!! Keep moving it along gradually like you did – it is a really hard grid 🙂 If you see him foot-pattering rather than power bouncing like he did here, you can open it back up or try shorter distances. Let me know if that makes sense. Great job!
TracyHi! This is how I start them, probably pretty similar to Jenny:
Let me know what you’ve done so far!
Tracy
Hi!
The jump grid is looking good- he got better and better on each rep – he took a moment to get organized on the very first rep but then did well on the next ones! He looks ready for jump 4 – he seems much happier doing them!
On the serps: He also read these really well! Be sure you are further across the serp jump before you release – like at :06 and :12. One the rep at :04 you released him a bit too early, so he jumped straight (the serp cue wasn’t clear yet). As you build it up into the 3 jump serps – stay in motion the whole time. If you stand still then explode forward, you will end up pushing him to the backside like at :18 – standing still cues collection then the sudden acceleration pushed him away. And, when you are moving, keep moving through the reward (you throw it but then keep moving). You were tending to throw it and stop, so it made him question his jumping on the last jump. The throw can be later to make it easier to keep moving. He looks ready for the 3 jump serps here!
Great job!
TracyHi! He worked really hard on this! It is one of the hardest grids. I have 2 suggestions:
using just the 3 jump grid, tighten it up on just 3 jumps until it will be straight. He had a little trouble holding onto his balance on all 5. And then when it was really hard on all 5 jumps, he just gave up and ran straight LOL!
And, on 5 jumps, keep it wider for a bit so he can work the balance. Take a look at what he did on the rep that started at :12 (:12-:14): that was REALLY strong! We basically want him to do all of them just like that, no matter how tight the grid is. So Start at that angle of jumps and only very gradually tighten them. If he starts to ‘double tap’ his front feet rather than bounce back and forth, or if he starts to bounce high – it is too hard, open it up a little. It will probably take a couple of session (or more) for you to be able to get it tighter or straight, but that is fine because form is the most important part. He will see it straight first on 3 jumps, then eventually on 5.
Nice work! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! I agree, I think he did really well here! Nice playing and nice job incorporating the treats for some calmer moments too 🙂
He also did really well on the grid – this is NOT and easy grid, but he made it look pretty easy 🙂 I didn’t see him bat an eyelash when you made it tighter, either. Nice!!! He seemed super keen to do them too – very “ON” but not overly aroused.
2 little tweaks as you keep playing with it:
I think on the first couple of reps, he was actually a tiny bit too close to jump 1, making it harder to take off without touching the first bar. I think your set up spot on the last rep was perfect!And drop the toy in sooner. When you had it up high on the last 2 reps, he had a harder time keeping his head down. So you can release and drop it with the release, so it is down as he is moving into the grid.
>>I tried doing some serpentines from week four on my jumps near the house. I didn’t have any wings available. He does not like to do them without wings.
That is interesting! Was he going around them, just not ‘seeing’ them? You can do the one jump serp games on a wingless jump to get him rolling on it, then add in the other jumps. I believe that ASCA only has wingless, right? So he needs to learn more about wingless jumps. What about CPE – also plenty of wingless? We can randomly throw more of them into his sequences too, to help him get comfortable.
Nice job here!!
TracyHi! You have been busy indeed!! The videos are looking really good here 🙂
Serps:
1st rep, your cue looks good! She is still processing all the things that have to happen so she was a little ‘head up’ in her form over 2 but that will smooth out with more experience.
2nd rep – It was hard to tell from this angle why she pushed to the backside of 2 but my guess is that you with the release and the motion happening at the same time, you pressed in as you started to move and were too close to the jump, so she pinged away to the backside. Moving then releasing (like you did in reps 3 and 4) will smooth that out.
3rd rep – she smoked you on this one 🙂 You released then moved and she got ahead – then you looked straight, which caused your shoulders to turn forward so she went past 2. Ideally you are always ahead on serps but reality says you might get smoked: so if she gets ahead, keep looking at her eyes and that should turn your chest to the next jump.
4th rep – perfection! At 1:10: you moved then released then stay connected. Lovely serp!!!
5th rep – just about perfect too! You can keep moving through that release, no need to stop. The physical cue looked great and she read it realyl well!5 jump grid back chaining:
the 2nd rep looked great but not sure if she was released LOL The best jumping efforts always come after broken stays 🙂
3rd rep – nice! Form and head position are spot on!
4th rep – also very nice. Did you make it back to jump 1 on this session? I think she was staying balanced and looked good – your motion didn’t seem to be distracting her. Nice!Sequences:
1st rep – start the BC as soon as she is out of the tunnel, even if you aren’t in a great spot yet – that will allow you to get connection back to her before she takes off for the 3 jump and that gives her a sweeter line to the 4 jump. You were a little late there which threw off the rhythm of the rest of it and you ended up late for the next blind.2nd rep: you were a little earlier on the first blind and that made for a better line 1-2-3-4! When she lands from 4 at :45, you indicated ahead by looking & pointing ahead and then peeled away, so she didn’t see the commitment as well as came off the line, turning with you.
When you repeated it at :55, I think your upper body was clearer but your feet turned off the line too soon3rd rep – LOVED your timing on the first blind at 1:22 Perfect!
I *thought* your commitment cue to the 5 jump at 1:26 was better but Lanna disagreed.4th rep – you had good timing on that first blind at 1:57 but not as good as the previous rep 🙂 She had a little zig zag on landing because the reconnection was a little later than the previous rep.
Great job at 2:00 of convincing her to take the 5 jump. You were a little late on the blind because you were making sure she took the jump, totally understandable! I think the commitment struggle she was having on that jump was that you were trying to turn your feet away on the new line earlier that she was comfortable with. So 2 ideas to work the progression to get more commitment there:
Run closer to the line like you did on the last rep, but turn your head for the blind earlier. Your motion will be supporting the line but you can still get the blind in.You can also make a bigger connection on the landing of the 4 jump and your upper body can be more directly connected back to her as you deliver your verbals (good verbals, by the way :)) and then keep that connection and keep the verbals going as you peel away like you wanted to. You can start that with just a jump wing (easier to commit to) then throw the reward to her when she commits.
I don’t think the handling was wrong, I just think it was stretching the boundaries of her commitment comfort zone! But that is fine because it allows us to play with different ways of expanding her commitment comfort zone 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyWheee this was a hard one for her! OK, this is a hard one for ALL of them, you were just the first one who posted it LOL!!!! Most of her reps were really strong: first rep, :06, :11 looked especially good. On a few, I think she got a bit ahead of herself – 2nd rep, :08, and the last rep in particular where she had trouble getting organized. It is a weird visual for the dogs, so the fact that she had a LOT of good reps is pretty impressive. Adding the tunnel as the visual was a good idea, to help keep her head down. I think she will need to see this again in a day or two – and I bet she is fine (latent learning!). Then before you tighten it up – give her a bar to jump. These bars looked to be on the ground, so you can go to 2 or 4″, whatever the lowest setting it, so she can work the jumping skill before you tighten the line.
Great job!
TracyHi there!
>>So for chapter’s Left turns being wide I did notice last night when we were trying the cue combos he runs in circles around the yard but only to the left. He also runs around the pool mostly to the left but not exclusively like the yard. He does tend to run out left for the frisbee as well. When we tried herding he was very strongly herding left and almost refused to go right. Any thoughts on how to encourage tighter wraps on the left? When we were working foundations with single wing wraps I didn’t see this difference and when we do spins Left and right I don’t see a difference with the left being wide either.>>Interesting! When aroused, he goes out to the left. The arousal is what stimulates it which is why you didn’t see it in the calmer flatwork. To even it out, you can do the more stimulating work to the right to teach the concepts – but let the left turn work lag behind that in terms of stimulation. For example: do the wraps from the tunnel (tunnel-jump-jump) on the right! Then do it on one jump on the left. Then back to all the obstacles on the right – then one jump on the left. Then maybe 2 jumps on the left. You can gradually build in the arousal while maintaining the nice turns.
On the wrap sequences:
first up, looking at your timing: first rep timing looked good! 2nd rep was a little late (he was in the air when you were starting to rotate).
3rd rep – good decel! You can turn more fully abd be less sideways more like you were on the 4th rep.
last rep – my favorite timig on this video! Nice!!!Now about the responses: Even when you had great timing, he was not necessarily turning tightly or driving right back to you. I think he is scoping for obstacles more than driving back to you, which is a normal part of the progression – the value is shifting to the obstacles so he is all like WHICH OBSTACLE lol!! So on all of the wrap exits, take off and run away (rather than wait for him to make the turn). Do a “running reward” after each wrap: cue it then run away (with connection) so he can chase you and get the toy from you. That will tighten it all right up by making it all about where da momma is going, and not about the next obstacle.
Question: what is just outside the video, past your shed? At :11 and :44 he was turning right and totally looking at *something* out there (your timing was really good on that last rep especially, so it was not a timing issue). I think there is a visual distraction out there – so it is a bit of proofing to get him to chase you around the jump and not look at what is out there.
Nice work here! Let me know if this makes sense!
TracyWhat a mess with the injury!!!!! I am glad they finally found it and thankful that you re on the correct road to recovery.
>>Do you have a different angle video of you and your dogs doing sequence 4 on the serpentines? I can’t picture how I would stay close to the tunnel exit to send him to the jump and get far enough ahead for the serp.
I will set it up and run it is if ever stops raining!
>>As I plan out the next 2 weeks of training, did you want me to work anymore on the set point (last one we did was 10″), ladder grid with handler motion or the progressive distance grid (also last done at 10″)?
You can work in one session of set point on a 12″ bar and the progressive to a 12″ bar. And the zig zag grid 🙂 That can end up being 3 or 4 sessions of grids in 2 weeks – that is plenty!
>>And also, where do we go with our young dogs next? Will you be offering something appropriate for this group of dogs?
Yes, I am currently making plans – not sure exactly what yet! I should have it sorted out in the next week or so. The youngsters can also do CAMP because there will be PLENTY that is great for young dogs!
Tracy
