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Good morning! Lots of great work here!!!
Loud barking BCs are a great distraction – very trial-like!
Opening line: I think you need less decel with her at 3 – she is very responsive so it slows her down. Try driving in and decelerating no sooner than when she is halfway between 2 and 3. You’ll be moving faster so you can accomplish this by leading out less and really accelerating.
The BC-BC on the 6-7-8 section looked great at :20-:22! My only suggestion there is to keep your arms in closer to you as you run, so you can do the blinds more quickly – arms out to your side slows you down in terms of getting reconnected after you do the BC, which made the BC 6-7 a little late even when it starts on time.
The rest looked greatI liked your experiment with the BC 3-4 but I don’t think it will ultimately be faster in this context: the 1-2-3-4 section will be very fast, but being on that side of the tunnel sets a wider line to the weave entry (turning her away on the flat). But it is an incredibly useful skill in other contexts!
Course 2:
Good start after a little naughty startline 🙂
Nice line across the back – on the lala backside, it seemed like she looked at you at :22 – you can replace the yay with a go verbal and don’t turn your shoulders to face the backside, keep facing the line as you cue it and we will see if that helps her not look at you. It looks like you ran deeper there on the next rep at :55 and she did not look at you.Nice blind after the backside! A little decel on the next one can tighten up the line Next rep – you did a FC on the landing side and didn’t hav time to rotate your feet for the wrap to the inside. You got it at 1:23 really well there. I wonder if a faster option would be the blind to the wrap?
But it was good to time the difference: the slice line (to the left) did NOT look faster or prettier, the cross after the slice was perhaps a little late? But… extension is faster than collection so the timing difference was pretty significant!Good job fighting for the BC after the straight tunnel – keep working the verbals and the eye contact after the blind to get it maybe a stride tighter, but it was pretty darned good because she was flying!!! And it is a hard blind to get in there for!
And I have to say that I admire your running abilities to decelerate on the tunnel entry AND still get a FC after it at 1:27 – WOW! That was a nice line!At :43, the BC was too early, you started the side change as she was landing so she never saw a commitment cue for the jump. But gorgeous timing at 1:40! Tight and FAST!!!
Course 1: She looked a little tired here, not quite blasting off the start line like usual. Across the back line, it looks like you got a little too far ahead and quiet, so she was running but also lifting her head a little and not powering as much. On those big lines, you can run closer to the wings so you are in full on acceleration the whole time, and she will also be n full on extension. When you were too far ahead, you were decelerating a little and so was she.
the serp at :30 was a hard line for all the dogs, because the serp does not control the turn cue for 11 that well. You went in for a blind there at :53 – if you freeze the moment she landed from 11, you can see that your arm is high and your back is too her, so she is wide looking for the line – that si a spot you can decelerate into the BC (or do a FC) and make massive connection as you do it to tighten that line.
I totally like the crosses here over the serpentine: when you went for the serp at the end, you had to be lateral which caused a question and then the 11-12 turn was wide. So I think the best option might be a decelerated BC or a FC 11-12, then the BC 12-13. I really like the BC 12-13 at :57!!!And nice ending line – wheeee!
And yay for Kaladin being able to go to a new place with new people and dogs and get to play his transition games! How is he feeling, post-neuter?
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning! No worries about the conversation in the background, they were having a great time and I could hear you pretty well 🙂 And he got to work near distractions! Yay!
Good reward at the beginning for his stay! I think that is what you did there.
Super connection on that first run! You really drove him to all the lines without breaking connection. There was one spot where yo could take one more step and give a clear commitment cue (:45) – you turned your shoulders, said GOOD! Then said jump (but it was too late, he was already turning, so you continued which was perfect). After watching the whole thing, I thought your connection was great throughout!
About that GOOD – it is a habit we all need to break. Hot Sauce nailed a line in a trial yesterday and I yelled YES! And so she immediately came off the line, looking for reward (it was an NFC run anyway but still… bad habit for me!)
Tunnel – tunnel – tell him what you want before he enters the straight tunnel
Speaking of habits we need to break: you got a great Pass cue and then said good boy… so you didn’t get the next backside at 1:16. I looked (listened) back to your first run when you did get it at :39… no good boy, just info. Next run at 1:38: no good boy, just the facts. I see a trend 🙂 Also, got it without the good boy at 2:16..
Our new hashtags:
#JustTheFacts
#NoGoodDogHaha
He went past the backside in that spot at 3:15 and then took the backside of the next one – my guess is that he was tired and also he had been through that section a bunch of times, so was starting to offer different behaviors. That is good to keep in mind: do fewer runs in the session so that you don’t end up with him second guessing things because he has been through a section a bunch of times. Things deteriorate as the dog gets fatigued physically or mentally, or when they have been through that section a bunch of times and are wondering why they are back there again: are they doing it wrong, should they offer something else?
He needed one more forward step before rotating at 1:41 (you gave it to him at 2:20 so he committed – be sure to also use your collection verbal to help keep him tight (you might have but I couldn’t hear it) but then you gave him good info on the line at 1:45 to get the jump before the straight tunnel.
About that straight tunnel, yes, totally a timing lesson and you did a great job working through it! As you found, all that in info has to come before the tunnel entry (6 feet before he is in) like you did at 1:56, otherwise he won’t turn). You almost had it at 2:26 but you never actually told him to take the tunnel on that rep 🙂 So when he lands from the jump before it, use your tunnel verbal and then when he is halfway between the jump and tunnel, start the next cue si he will process it by about the 6 foot spot before he enters. Tat is basically what you did and it worked nicely at 2:43! He turned the wrong way on the exit of the 2nd tunnel because you had stopped a little to make sure he got the turn.
About deflating him: Yes, he was done at the end when he offered a different behavior on the backside (5th time or so through that section), you stopped,he called an Uber. So the bigger question on how to avoid deflating him – did you set a timer on the session? The video was 3:35 long but it was edited, so total time was longer. That, plus a storm rolling in… set the timer to 3 minutes of total training time and no matter where you are in the session when that timer goes off: reward and leave. You can take a break in the a/c and come back in 10 or 20 or 30 minutes or a couple of hours or juts leave it be for the day – but shorten your sessions so that you end long before he does.
Nice work on this course – the only thing I would add is a timer 🙂
Tracy
Good morning! Thanks for all this info!
>> Focus: I can lose it during a run when she is heading straight toward the people and crated dogs, so try to do some calling and treat tossing to get her re-focused and going forward on the set.
This is a good place to do the pattern game with cookies – right in front of the people and crated dogs. I will chalk it up to the pandemic puppy thing – she simply needs to acclimate to that crazy environment that we would have normally been able to exposure her to earlier in life.
>> I almost always lose it during the time the instructor is talking because she (instructor) says “just let her wander I want to show you this”. >>
I tend to NOT want baby dogs to wander because then they wander LOL! And then, as you see, they disengage. She isn’t being naughty but I vote against wandering because I think she doesn’t know what to do with herself and it deflates her. When I work my baby dogs in a seminar, I either do the pattern game while the instructor shows me something, or I just put my hand on their collar so the 2 of us just stand there together. The other option is to stuff a light leash in your pocket so that you can leash her up if you are going to be moving with the instructor, so Keiko sticks with you. I do let Masters dogs wander if they have no trouble re-engaging, but not the baby dogs.
>>She is also really relieved to be able to run back to her crate.
Ah, that reminds me of something we do with other dogs (dogs that get frantic in between turns) – we have a mat or cot or Klimt or Cato board out in the ring, and when talking to the instructor we have the dog hang out for cookies on the cot. It is like a home base for the dogs and they love it.
>> I think she has a lot of stress she’s trying to deal with.
Yes, because it is a hard situation and totally new distractions.
>>The extra fun I brought into it today caused her to really focus and use her energy up (!) then she was ready for her crate. She was very tired and somewhat subdued at home in the afternoon. Again, I’m not surprised.
Exactly – the work she did at that level of intensity is exhausting and might take her 48 hours to recover from laying out it1
>>I have just learning I can try her in a class in another location with a different instructor. It’s a barn/horse arena so everything is totally new and different. I’m inclined to hold off on that for just a bit longer while we work out a happy system with the class & Saturday sessions first.>>
Will the new instructor let you just come watch, so you can get Keiko introduced to the environment?
>>These are in the same indoor location with the same instructor, and in a building owned by Keiko’s breeder. Keiko played in this building with her litter mates as a baby, and one of her litter mates is in her Monday class. She often indicates to me that she thinks she and Java should be able to play!>>
Ah, so cute! You can use play with her sister as a reward 🙂
Let me know what you think!
TracyAha! Footage of the outside the ring games! Was it raining?
First run – looks like you took him from his cookie pile directly into the start of. The course, he did great.
Second run came in on leash – a longer transition away from cookies – looks like he also did great, blasting off the line and running hard. Good boy!A little chop chop massage during pairs (it is hard to be dog #2 in pairs and have to wait!) he did great! That was a significant delay between cookies and the course run, and he was great AND he did his leaping up!
I was hearing your verbals and they were great – I am so happy with those but even HAPPIER with his attitude in the ring here!! YAY!!!
So keep filling me in on the details of what happened before the good runs and what happened before the run he struggled with and we will keep planning for success 🙂 Great job here!!!!!!
Tracy
Good morning! The NFC runs looked good and gave us great info!
So on the 1st and 2nd and 4th runs (which looked great) you did the routine of in and out at the start gate of tricks then cookies? And on run 3, you did not do that? Did you still ask for his tricks? When he was looking away, you can ask for his leaping up trick or over your legs to see if you can break through the frozen moment. Just trying to find patterns. On that 3rd run, he was looking at something: bird? Person? Wind? Maybe his brain was tired?
Is that something you have seen before when he is feeling stressed? He knew something had changed (either that or there was a big distraction in the environment – or both). So the next step of the routine will need to be changing things a little so he can’t tell the difference between real runs and NFC runs. It will probably mean fading the cookies til after a jump or two… then 4 or 5 obstacles… then build up to 20 obstacles or so 🙂 I LOVED what he did on his runs here, so we can sort out what was happening on that 3rd run and work through it.Tracy
Good morning! I think you did a great job here – it is a meatball of a training course, so it is more about finding out what the dog needs than it is about running clean LOL!
Opening 1-2-3 – I liked your good departure at 3 with the send, you consistently got a really lovely turn there.
He just had a little trouble bending back after the weave entry, it is a hard one, it was smart dog training to reward it! On the last run you shaped his line into the entry and that helped – a good summer project will be revisiting the bend back into the entry here so he doesn’t need you to be up there at the entry.A BC 6-7 will get you up the line faster (it is a good spot for a blind there because it keeps you moving forward then you can slice 8 wither with a RC or even get up there for another blind (it would be really hard to decel into the rotation of a FC after coming flying up the line unless he lets you leave for it the very instant he gets into the weaves). I think you could have gotten the RC, you just needed another step or two pressuring into the RC line to convince him to turn away to the outside of the course.
When you re-ran it at 1:23, you gave yourself a lead out for the FC and easily got the FC 7-8 which created a really nice line! The BC will keep you ahead in that position because you don’t have to rotate like you did in the FC, which takes too much time with Taken’s speed. He started to collect really well on the 2nd FC at 1:22 but you were a little late getting rotated so he pulled the bar. The BC makes it faster to rotate because all you have to do is turn your head and shoulders a little bit. And he is so responsive that it will be fun to see him turn tight on blinds!
Watching the last run – you nailed the blind up the line there! That helped get the FC to 9 but you had to back up to do it – if you play with that again, try the BC there and see how he does!He took the front of 10 instead of the back, 2 thoughts for you:
– start the cue while he is in the air over 9. He was in the air, landed and changed his line towards you (he was probably thinking 10 was front) so he didn’t have time to process the cue and change line ot the outside.
– cue with your dog side arm locked back behind you and your eyes very directly on his eyes (I know, sounds counterintuitive) – that will point your chest and shoulders directly to the backside. A higher arm that is moving ahead of your body like at 1:00 will turn your your shoulders forward to the front side of the jump.
Did you say “holy mother of god” there? LOL!!!!!
When you ran it the2nd time, you were MUCH more connected and had a lower arm! You started the cue after he landed and he barked his opinion (and turned into you a little) so definitely try starting the cue before he lands. And I think with the earlier cue and the upper body/eye contact more open to him, you own’t need to be as close to 10 which makes the next line easier too.The ending line looked great! Just remember to call him before he enters the last tunnel so he knows where you went (you called while he was in the tunnel and he looked for you for a heartbeat when he exited).
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyThe Go Verbal looks good, the MM helps! When you went back to it at the end he wanted to look at you, soyou can throw the reward sooner to help him continue to look straight.
On the wraps – you can repeat the cue (check check check etc) because the repeated cue matched the deceleration footwork. You can also start the rotation sooner, all before he takes off while he is still a stride or so form the jump, so he can shift into collection – in the early part of the video, your cue was starting as he as jumping. So he was wide on the landing (late info).
When you went back to it later in the video, you were earlier and that really helped it! Looked great!Switch looked good – he was a little distracted by the MM s you can give him a cookie for coming back to you to line up. And later in the video, it looked just as good without the MM there – YAY!!!!
Backside push cues looked great! I like there you put the MM to help with those and it was also lovely to see how well he did without the MM there 🙂
Great job here! So there is not a ton of things to change on the one jump (throw sooner for the GO when the MM is not there, and remember to rotate and give your wrap cue sooner :)) so you can move on to the sequences! Great job here!
Tracy
Hi! I am glad to see she is back!
I think she liked the lazy game: easiest game EVER lol!!! And she was great when you added speed. She is very honest about taking the line you are cuing – when you physical cues support something, she takes it. If not – she follows your line. That is what happened at 1:50 hen you said “tunnel” but turned and faced the other end of the tunnel – she was spaying attention to the line of your body and she was being a good girl 🙂 Compare it to 2:19 and 2:33 (on the other side) and 3:01 on the original side where you faced the tunnel entry you wanted, and she was perfect there.
You can totally add in more of the sequences using this setup (from the line seminar). She looks ready!About the teeter – you can keep going with the game you have on the video, and also add the new games. They all work together to get a great teeter. The Mountain Climber game works on the running up the board to build more speed, which will totally help the game you have here too 🙂
Nice work!! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
On the opening line, you were a little past the line on jump 2 so he was a little wide at :03 – this was the same as with Emmie, so running a line more towards 3 will tighten them both up.
On the 5-6 tunnel entry – pulling your shoulder forward closed connection, so he just read motion to the off course tunnel. Arm back/more connection might help him – or he might need a ‘brake’ hand, which is your outside arm come up as a bit of a stop sign to get his attention and get him to turn. I suggest the brake hand because on the 2nd try, you were more connected and he still considered the off course tunnel – kept going to it til you stood still.
But also, this is good info from him: he stays out wide when you close your shoulder forward – he reads it as a cue to stay on a parallel path. That is what happened at :23 on the 9 jump – he collected on the jump before it – and then you closed your shoulder so he ran around the outside. Try locking your arm back behind you so your fingers point to his nose. You had your right arm much further back and your eyes on is a lot more at :35 and it really helped! You also decelerated there and I think you might be able to keep moving through the line with your upper body open line that.
You were pretty quick with your FC at :37, so i think you had time to do one more FC (or a tight BC) on the jump after it as well, to tighten u the turn to the tunnel and get yo in better position for the closing.
Nice job on the closing line!Great job on these! Let me know what you think!
TracyFC timing in the opening was good! To tighten her turn, be closer to and moving towards 3, and not between the uprights of 2 The line you ran in the 2nd rep was much better!
She was probably just tired with the weaves
The rest looked good! Super connected and you were really driving her. You serped the 11-12-13 line – it would be fun to try a FC 11-12 to a BC 12-13, or a BC to a BC and see how it compares to the serp. It was a hard line on 11-12 for the serp, so getting in for a cross would control that line really well and then you can keep moving through it rather than having to kind of wait for her on the serpentine. We can try all 3 options (serp, FC to BC, BC to BC) and time them!
TracyKippy course 3:
The pening line looked really good! You can decelerate into 4 and give him a left cue (it was hard to hear what you were saying) but then instead of letting your right arm come high and point forward on the back cue at :07 and :23, keep it back and look him in the eye as you cue the backside. The high arm moving forward rolls your shoulders to point to the front side of bar, and keeping your arm back and eyes on him will keep your shoulders open to the line to the backside. Your turn cue on 4 was sooner at :16 (yay!) and you waited longer at :17 to get the backside- I liked your original plan of moving away from the first rep (you were on his landing spot as he took off at :17 and then got behind for 6 and ended up pulling him off the jump) so I think arm back/more connection will allow you to move away.
When you sent him into it from a hard angle at :26, note how your arm was not involved, just your eyes – and it pointed your shoulders to the backside line perfectly! He nailed it!
On the FC at 6 at :28 – the bar down is linked to moving away from 5. If you can get away from 5, you will have time to decel and start the FC in time for him to set up the jumping. You were a little late at :28 so he bar came down.
Nice spin on the tunnel to get 9 and a nice RC on the 10 jump too! He probably just needs more experience driving to weave entries off a rear cross.You brought him to the right for the wrap at the end! It looked really good, I will come back and time it when I have my stopwatch – it was really nice and might end up being faster!! And great job with the spin on the tunnel to get the 9 tunnel and another good RC on 10! Yay for the weaves! My only suggestion on that ending line is that we can tighten up the 15-16 line at the end: you can do the FC there closer to the 16 jump so he could see the position cue: you were moving across the center of the bar of 15, so he jumped long based on your line of motion. The other option is to handle from the landing side of 16 – keep him on your left and send to 15, then either keep him on your left all the way to the end, or blind cross on landing side of 16.
Nice work!!
TracyEmmie Course 3
Good opening! Remember to give her turns cues before she enters tunnel 2 (:03) so she has a tighter turn on the exit.She had a little trouble jumping the backside slice at the #5 jump at :08. Did I ever show you the zig zag grid? It would help for the jumping on that hard slice. If you haven’t seen it, I can post the videos.
Add in a little decel on the cue to 6 so you can get the FC going sooner and she can collect sooner. When she landed from 5, you drove into the takeoff spot and that accelerated her – decel into it and start the FC rather than push into that takeoff spot.
We can also play with turning her to her right on the 6 jump – there is a little more collection there, but it sets up a great exit line with fewer turns so it might turn out to be faster than the slice exit!
The spin on the tunnel sure got her attention at :14 and she had a GREAT turn on the exit! Hmmm it didn’t work at all on the next rep – there was more acceleration on it at :22 and less dramatic hand-in-face so that might be why she didn’t get it. But you had some good drama going on the next ones and she didn’t ready it. I think the first one was closer and more surprising to her so it got her attention. More decel and getting in a little closer to the tunnel entry will help (and the reward that you were using too :))
The line from the 10 jump to the weaves requires a rear cross (I think you mentioned these were your favorite? LOL!) So you can set that on the flat a bit more: pull her into you then turn her away on the flat, kind of like a tandem turn so she is already turned before you show her 10. If she has not seen those, let me know and we can break it down. She was getting it after that but we can smooth it out with an earlier cue.
Really nice ending line!
Great job!
TracyKip course 2: This is not a hot mess express! This is good info from Kippy 🙂 And he keeps you very honest, so this is going to help with running Emmie too 🙂 (Also, running dogs back to back is REALLY hard but excellent prep for the US Open where you might have to do this 6 minutes apart.)
He was a little wide on 3 in the opening – the need to get to the tunnel exit is causing you to lose the finesse at 3 on that line – so you can send and leave with a bit of decel.
I liked when you did it all dog on left – if you send and leave to 3 (no spin) then you will easily be ahead of him on your left side to get the weave entryBeing on that side of the weaves would be easier if you had a threadle weave verbal, so you can and keep moving. When you decelerated at :06 near the jump, he was confused as to whether it was the jump or not, and the verbal would help that (and you can keep moving too). Handling from the other side will make the weave entry more obvious as well.
On the 6-7-8 line: He is keeping you honest on your timing and connection on the blinds: you had connection to him on landing of 6 at :28 and :39 then before he could really get to you right side, you looked forward so he read it as a blind – boom, quick side change to the jump. The FC got it done but I liked your original plan like you did with Emmie. You can get it by making really strong eye contact with him on your right side, see him pick up being on your right side – then do the next blind.
So, nice work and some really useful info from Kippy!!!
T
Hi! Lots of good work on all of these, and lots of good info from the dogs that will help in future runs!
Emmie Course 1Overall, really nice runs! The opening line was a bit of Goldilocks: too hot, too cold, just right 🙂 You had a disconnection on landing of 2 (turning your head forward) so she went into handler focus and came off 3 when the crossed started off early at :04
You were much better at :09, more connected – add a littl decel to it to make a little tighter.
At :24, you were connected but rotating too soon.
:30 just right except for bar down – running backwards caused it throug hthe cross as you were finishing it probably what caused it. Try a blind there because it creates motion the correct direction sooner and you won’t have any trouble getting to your new side and new connection.On the 4 tunnel to the weaves: Handling from that side of tunnel 4 makes it harder for the weave entry as it changes the dog’s exit line (away from the weaves). The BC at tunnel exit was nice at :33!!
I really liked the BC 6-7 and 7-8. I think the bar at 8 at :40 was a lot of acceleration then a sudden change of direction. She kept it up at :49 but you can decel then leave rather than really push her to the takeoff spot
One thing to remember on the backside send here and with Kippy too: you can connect to her eyes as the commitment cue on the backside send at :44, rather than look forward which turned your shoulders to the front of the bar. You used more motion at :52 to get it but your position on the first rep was good – the connection will make the difference.
A little disconnection on 12 at :55 caused the bar, possibly, it was a little hard to see there – it might have also been that you were ‘rounding the corner’ by running close to her line too much rather than leaving.
Ending looked great 🙂
Onwards to the next course!Hi!
>>I was wondering what system this is for teaching the teeter.
I use this for all systems of teeter teaching, it is good for getting them to run all the way to the end of the board.
>>Are we going to go through the whole thing in this class? Eventually teach the whole teeter?
Not in this class, that’s the next class 🙂
>> Turn her around and have her come off the side? Farther down?
Yes, you can have her turn around, go down to just past the tip, then hop off the side 🙂
Tracy
