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On the cone wrapping:
OMG the videographer “is that allowed” was too funny, he should do a sports announcer narration on the training videos! LOL! She is doing well on these – don’t move the cone out away from you until the back and forth is pretty automatic and almost irresistible to her. She was getting invested in the game, but was still considering her other options 🙂 You can also use loud cookie drops – it is an auditory lure 🙂 – as a warm up to get it going. And, thinking about it – you can totally play this game with 2 toys. She likes food and you have done a great job bringing up the food drive but I bet she will get fully invested in this game with 2 toys. That is how I taught it to my BWxPap! Her drives are VERY BorderWhippet (toys first, food later) so when she was in the 12-16 week old range, I did most of this with toys.She is the queen of the goat games! Super confident! And I love this inflatable thing, I need to get one. She seemed just fine to get on it, stay on it, no worries about the movement or the height. You can challenge her balance with a bit of tugging on it, it is a wide enough platform. I think she will be fine to do that. You can also have her turn around on it or sit on it if she will offer sits (just to get more balance and hind end stuff 🙂 )
Great job!!! She is doing really well!!
TracyHi!
Excellent choice of prop – it is very salient and super cute too. I love her very obvious front foot hits! Lots of intent. She was a good girl when you moved to the sends and also hilarious 🙂 Try not to say ‘go’, as that will mean something else – no verbal needed at this stage but you can totally make a noise to say something silly 🙂 For the distract portion, do you have an engagement word you like? You can talk to her and engage her (I do the Ready Dance) and then send – so it teaches the pups to go from handler focus to obstacle focus. And it builds a lovely engagement word: my dogs could be passed out asleep and if I say “ready” they spring to life with total focus LOL
“”Not totally crazy about her turning it into a drop, but I assume we can work that out over time. “”
On the sends, when you feel value for the prop is high enough, you can get rid of the drop by changing the placement of reinforcement. Send her to it then have her come back to your hand for the reward. She is unlikely to want to drop when she will be coming back to you (and you can use a toy for it too!)
>>Also tried taking the show on the road to a petstore. She wasn’t willing to work avidly for food, but we were able to get some basic work for a tug. (She above — paps and play>food).>>
Road trip! Yay! Again, that strikes me as BC behavior, not Pap behavior. Usually we can get the Paps to eat but we can’t get the BCs to eat. SHe is super cute, she looks like the Budi dogs from Seiter/Tucci in Florida! She did a great job playing and targeting in this new location! Yay!!! Was she willing to put a treat in her mouth? You can work on eating in new places by using a super high value treat – and when she swallows it, reward with tugging (swallow is key so she does not spit it out when your head is turned haha) She doesn’t have to work for the food, the ‘work’ is swallowing the cookie 🙂
Great job!
TracyHi!
>>Yes, the pap makes for many new experiences. When she came home at 8 weeks she was NOT interested in working for food.>>
That is really interesting! I would think that is more of the BC than the Pap? Paps are PIGGIES.
>>Happy as a clam to play-play-play, but food, eh … not so much. I’ve also noticed that weirdness about walls and interacting with something up against a wall. Huh?>>
This also sounds very BC. Maybe Mudi too, I just don’t know enough about the breed. Voodoo (half BC) was very similar in the All-Toys, No-Food at this age. I had to teach him to eat, it was bizarro. LOL!! Not sure about the wall stuff? That could be any of the breeds LOL!
Good job working the harness grabbing – that was TOTALLY Papillon hahaha You might need to start with reaching towards and building to touching because she was really avoiding it with some impressive skills and a little drama hahaha! I am sure you are already doing hand touches? This helps with Papillon collar grabs and you can also do body targeting where they target their side or hip to your hand? This is a definite life skill for all Pap types 🙂 Nice work!
TracyBummer about the lack of more nice days!!! I am ready for spring weather 🙂 But he did really well here!!!
Parallel path to the jump:
He did well on the parallel path! It think the hardest part was finding the food after the throws! He was wanting to look up at you a little which is normal because there is not much to look at other than you! So, to help keep him looking straight: mark the moment he looks at and begins moving towards the jump, and then throw – so the food will be flying before he even gets to the jump. If the arrives at the jump, he will look up at you – so throwing sooner for the choice to look at and moves towards it can keep his head straighter.Serps – once you got the angles going at the beginning, he did really well targeting to your right hand! Very nice! He had a little more trouble one the new side with the chain, he was wanting to go directly to the right hand (cookie hand) and had to think hard about hitting the target hand first. Are you right- handed? He might have more value on treats coming from your right hand, which makes this side of the serp a little more difficult. You can help him by moving the left hand/target hand a little, and the visual of motion might help catch his eye (and up and down movement, like a wave). On both sides, you can move the cookie box out to where you want him to start from, and use your cookie through to reset that next rep – so he targets, you show him the treat in the reward hand, then let him see you toss it to the cookie box – he eats, and comes right back to the target hand.
Turn and burn/wing sends – these were really good commitments! You were using the sideways send leg with is good – he really cues off the leg, so I will keep bugging you to use it. Working in a small space, you can add in more of the turn-and-burn feeling by starting closer to the wing, right next to it – cue him to go to it then move away right as he starts moving to it. That can help with the countermotion concept without needing to wait for good weather 🙂
Great job!!!!!
TracyHi! I think it will benefit you more in the long run to get that great connection across your body with the outside arm after crosses, especially because she is small. So…. keep doing it! It looks comfy, she reads it well, and it works like a charm 🙂
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Hi!
I think this went well! Don’t forget to exaggerate the decel before you turn – you were running then trying to stop really fast before the turn, so she didn’t have time to read it. Plus it is hard for for you (and me LOL!) to maintain balance when we are stopping suddenly. So think of slowing down gradually when she is maybe halfway to you, really letting her see it and you taking small steps, rather than slamming the brakes.>> And…I always want to treat her with the outside arm like we do with the toy. But I notice in the video I think you treat with the dog side arm so you can bring them around from there. Is that right. I can’t stop doing it.>>
I could see you sorting out which arms to use LOL! There is no single way to do it correctly, as long as you are connected. So if you feel better with the arm across your body: perfect! I thought you were connected nicely and she seemed perfectly happy with it. So if that is comfortable and she reads it, then go with it 🙂
Great job!
TracyHi Joni!
This was a really fun session – getting really good stays in a high energy session. She is a high energy girlie so will need to be able to hold a stay when she is feeling pumped up. I think she gets really pumped up and can’t always offer the sit – I think you can click and reward a couple of instant sits mixed in there, meaning as soon as her butt hits the ground: click/reward.>>Did I do that right with the sit (and I did the “good girls”)duration…and I moved back too. She stayed really nice. >>
Yes, you nailed it. Lovely!!!
>>And then you still say “catch” at this point? I think we are ready for the “Break!”. So next I replace the “catch” with the “break”?>>
You can start to mix in the break cue now, and reward her for coming forward to you. You can fade out the click too – it can either be ‘catch’ and you throw the toy to her, or “break” and she comes to you to tug. Surprise her 🙂 And do LOTS of ‘catch’ so she maintains the joy of staying.
I also posted more sit games to play from our stay class if you want to check them out. The goal is to make stays FUN!
Great job 🙂
TracyHi! Good session here! A couple of ideas for you:
Blind crosses:
She read this really well and is really understanding blinds in general, so you aren’t needing to work that hard to get connection on the exit. Yay!!! One thing about the line of motion to get better turns and better position for you:
As you move up the line, move directly to jump 3, and don’t converge towards 2. Moving in towards 2 as it shows her a straight line (as if you are heading to the tire out in the distance). Your line should move you towards the position which should be same as when you move to the far wing of the jump as if leading out to the throwback FC. Motion on the parallel line and verbal support jump 2 so you won’t need anything else to convince her to take it. That will help her set up a turn without any extra help – and also means you won’t need to be perfect on timing because your running line is already showing the turn. Yay! Timing and connection were really good here; I think this will be a useful lead out!FC lead outs –
>>I am used to the idea that the FC should be done before the dog takes off for jump 2. But when I tried that, Keiko just skipped jump #3. It was especially bad on the right side. So I turned later and slower. What should I try in this situation? >>I think this also had to do with line of motion – by giving the big step to 2, it sets her on a straight line and moves you away from 3, positionally – then you turned and did a big step back to 3 which changed the line and pushed her past it. You can see at :58 and 1:09 that you were moving in towards 2 then back out towards 3, so it was drawing slightly different lines. You can play with standing still next to the wing at 3, then just dropping back on the FC and moving with connection past 3. Connection + motion + verbal should support the line there, so she should not need the extra support steps – I think those were was was changing the lines more than needed. Let me know if that makes sense.
Lead Out Push –
She read this really well, it was an easy lne for her to see.>>We did the draw the line piece. This felt really strange to me. There was little action, and Keiko seemed to sort of shrug – that’s all she asked? >>
Ha! That is true, it is pretty easy. It is most widely used when we need the dog to be tighter on jump 2: either for dogs that need us to demand a tighter turn, or if the #3 jump was on a tighter line. Keiko turns when asked and does not need to be sledgehammered, which is why this style of lead out seemed a little boring LOL! Also, this style of lead out became popular when people didn’t want to do the lead out FCs but they also didn’t want to do BCs.
>>What should I do on this- should I be running past the next jump, #3? What types of situations would use this straight forward line approach? >>
Yes, you can be running past the next jump to set that line but a more typical situation would be to use it to push her to the backside of 3 (on the entry that is closer to 2) – that would require a tighter turn on 2, and that is one of the places where this might be a good situation to use this style of lead out.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyI forgot to put in the RDW comments, oopsie! This was a good sesson to start bringing it outdoors. I didn’t count the rate of success, but he had enough misses that I think it was lower-than-desired but not toooooo low. In the new locations, when he is a bit excited 🙂 You can take the verbal off so that he doesn’t have misses associated with the verbal. Sending quietly will work here. And in a new environment you can reward interaction with the mat – a good boy single reward for front feet, a MASSIVE FIESTA for rear feet. No rewards for leaping LOL!
He is a bit upwards in his striding due to the excitement on some of the reps, I imagine his sister will be too – Hot Sauce was THE WORST about leaping upwards when she was excited so I delayed the clicks so it was through the mat then one more stride – then the click. That got striding/trotting/running and was got rid of the bouncing/leaping.
One other thought to keep the success rate really high:
try to change/add only one thing in each session. Each session can be short, but try to not have a lot of different things such as adding motion or wings or angles etc. That can all get in there later on, but in the early stage the new environment is a big change, so we don’t want to throw a lot of things at him because he will miss too often. He is on the right track! Can’t wait to get started officially next week!
TracyHi! This was a really good session! Hard angles of entry in a safe way, and well0timed clicks of the MM.
>>She trotted rather than flew, and her angling up to the ramp was pretty good.
Yes, really good! You can start on slightly less difficult angles and add your motion, running a bit more to challenge her to maintain that nice hind end us even when things are more exciting 🙂
>> She only tried to short cut once, and I think that was because I started quite far back from the ramp entry.
Yes – that was a backside entry to the ramp and she got it right on the next rep. It was a really good challenge!
>>Sometimes you’ll hear the MM go off twice. We are running out of kibble that fits, so sometimes nothing came out and I wanted to be sure she got rewarded.
MMs can be very temperamental LOL!!! She was happy to have it go off twice 🙂
>> You will also notice I started to narrow the entry space and then started moving the boards back along the ramp. Should I keep fading them in that manner, or do you have a different suggestion?>>
That is the exact fading process I would recommend. You can leave them a little prominent for now, and add more challenges: more running as I suggested above, and also more angle of plank if you have a higher table. Question: when she learned the teeter, did she run up it to a table at all? I think so but I need to scroll back and look. If so, you can have this game get applied the same way but with a teeter replacing the ramp!
Nice work here!
TracyGood morning!
Nice work on these! The Bang game is looking really good, he seems really confident and driving directly to position! And it looks like the 2o2o nose target is very clear to him which is exactly what we want 🙂 He has trouble maintaining position while tugging – he can maintain for a couple of seconds, so just release him with the toy after about 2 seconds and before he kind of falls off, so he can be successful. The pups need a lot of core strength to hold that position and tug for a while, and he is not yet 10 months old. Strong, but still a baby. When you stop the game and he resets, it is not the same quality of drive to position as it was when you had him leap on, so it seems unnecessary to rehearse poorer quality reps when you can get great quality reps pretty easily.Mountain climbers look awesome! And yes, don’t say bottom yet. LOL! I am super happy with his drive to the top. To add challenge:
One thing you can do is move the teeter to different parts of the yard so he goes on mini teeter field trips – a new location is enough to make it all feel totally different. Or turn the teeter around. Crazy, right?
In this location: is there a way to change the height on your teeter support thing so you add the smallest bit of movement, less than an inch? If so, add the tiny by of movement (half an inch!) and go back to one-hit-wonders: one run up the now-moving board for his entire meal, then that is the end of the session. He might thing is was weird and terrible – so one rep is perfect. Or he might think it was perfectly fine – so one rep is perfect because we don’t want him to over-think it 🙂>>We did some work on backsides, backside wraps and rear crosses. But no video.
How did it go? Any issues?
Great job on these!
TracyHi Summer!! He is looking great!!
He is doing really well with the wrap cues and the jump present!!! I think you can move the wing in a little closer to the temptation jump to add more challenge 🙂 He did beautifully with you being stationary, on both sides. So the other challenge you can add here is “GO” when you are not moving. And add motion into this game too – if you have a tunnel, you can get him a little wild and then run through the tunnel into this game!
With the 2 jumps: check versus GO looked really good, the go reps were great, he never looked back!! No worries about the throws, I thought they were good LOL!! As with the wing & jump game, you can add in more motion (especially on the wrap cues, that is when the dogs really need to process the cues) an you can even add the tunnel before it.
>>Question – I only use one word for tight turn – not distinguishing between left and right. In my mind it means turn tight into me. Is that a problem??>>
It depends on how often you will need to use it, and if the courses you run will allow you to be close enough to him that he can see where you are for the ‘into me’ part and that you can cue it. So with one of my dogs, that was exactly how I used the cue: one verbal to mean tight turn into me – and the courses I ran (USDAA and AKC, mainly) were perfect for me to apply it and the dog was happy. With my 7 year old dog, he got really frustrated with just one cue – the courses were much bigger (UKI), he is much faster (and I am slower than ever LOL!) so he didn’t always know where I was, in order to process the ‘towards the momma’ part of the verbal. And he was ANGRY about it LOL!! So, for him, I added a second verbal. That way he understood which way to go and didn’t need to see where I was 🙂 Then he was happy LOL!
Let me know if that makes sense. Great job!
TracyHi! This is progressing well! He is working to be sure on the mat when he is leaving you, thoughtfully getting the feet on it. Really nice! I like thoughtful behavior at this stage, because it means NO LEAPING LOL! And when the running starts, things get exciting so it will be good to have a thoughtful foundation.
>>Should I be rewarding if 1 hind foot misses or hits the edge of the mat?
Yes, I would reward. But you can make it different when both back feet get on the mat – go wild! Hit the PT then run over and add more treats and lots of praise. The one-rear foot (or front feet only) hits can be just a single PT moment 🙂 On the reps where he did not get both back feet on, I think those were strong enough hits to get a reward. Any leaping or total bypassing – no cookies for that LOL!!
You are now at the stage of RDW training where we just keep building value for the mat. You can also start adding the ball or a tug toy in!
Nice job!
TracyHi!
>>In other news, his neck did need adjusting last Wednesday. When he turned his head to the right, the left side was stuck and didn’t make a corresponding move out so it was harder for him to tutn turn right.>>
Ah that is interesting!! I am glad for the chiro and PT people out there who keeps our dogs loose!
This was a good session! I think this one error (:39) was that the flatness of jump 2 was significantly different than the previous rep that he needed a moment 🙂 I don’t think it was a late cue, because your running and position are part of the cue and those were not late, even if we can obsess on the timing of the arm. But overall, he was doing a great job on his serps! With that in mind, I would open the line of jumps back up and do 2 things:
get close, very very close LOL!! We don’t want him to think that you will be that far away on serps so you can make the serp line easy and get nice and close to it.
Also, so he doesn’t rely on the exact arm cue – just basically run, no real cue needed other than being connected – he should still serp even if you are not very precise with the serp arm movement or timing. Basically, we are going to have him read your line of motion and connection, but with the barest hint of serp arm rather than exaggerating it. Let me know if that makes sense.Great job!
Tracy
