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  • in reply to: Barb & Enzo #8671
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!

    >>Most important question: Did I do this they way you are saying?

    Yes, pretty much spot on!

    >>I ran both the original setup and a mirror image. If we call the two methods Yours and Mine we could become crabby and entrenched, so Iโ€™ll say Online and Parallel.

    Ha! One thing I have learned about handling is that it is always better to NOT get entrenched, because my innate stubbornness might cause me to miss something important ๐Ÿ™‚ So, thank you for setting this up!!!

    And, if the heat ever gives you a break, I would be interested to see this on grass because he will stride it differently – which is important when we are timing to 100ths (which I was, which also I am sure is no surprise hahaha)

    >>Regardless, there did not seem to be a significant difference.

    I saw 3 things that might end up being useful!
    On the parallel option, he consistently adds one more stride in the gap between 1-2 and/or 2-3 *unless* you leave really early and really fast – his commitment is strong enough to allow for that.
    And when you did that (left early and with acceleration, it did get a less slicing line over 2 (between line to 3). That is when the times were most similar. On the online option, he had more tendency to one-stride 2-3 naturally but better timing on the parallel option helped smooth that out.
    The other thing I noticed is that on the parallel options where you left your lead out position earlier & faster… you also ended up deeper to the tunnel. On the online option, the line to the tunnel was set sooner (landing of 2) so you didn’t have to go as deep. On this sequence… it didn’t make a difference because there was no place to get to. But it is definitely something to consider on bigger courses – shaving 2 steps off your line in the opening can put you in a great spot further up the course.

    >> I was afraid, with the online method, that I might actually get the wrong end of the tunnel,
    >> since I was not running parallel to the dogโ€™s path but diverging from it.

    You handled it well, even though it was less comfortable – you are parallel (on) the dog’s path for long enough to set it… then bye bye bye you are outta there ๐Ÿ™‚ Feels like divergence because you run on/parallel to the line for less time, perhaps? But Enzo appeared to have zero questions.

    >>although Iโ€™m not sure when I would be bold enough to intentionally start on the line and run a diverging path.

    Well, that is what training is for ๐Ÿ™‚ Get all the tools comfortable so you know just how long you would need to set that line – then decide what the best tool is for the situation. On this sequence, I am not sure it makes a difference – the times were very close on the first couple of reps, maybe a slight edge to online? But by the end it was pretty even because I think he knew the sequence LOL! But if the course continues to, say, some type of CRAZY threadle line on 6-7-8, then I would want to handle with the online version. Conversely, if I needed to get down to the tunnel entry and handle a tight exit, I would consider the parallel version because it allows me to deive in hard to the tunnel entry.
    The other thing to consider is that comfort zone tools will be faster at first. In the past, I always handled these openings with a blind cross 2-3 (I often still do). They were wicked fast! When I added this push line tool, I timed every session: the blinds were faster at first by a whole lot, then things equaled out and they are just about identical now.

    Food for thought! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    Version1 was cropped to allow short comparisons: https://youtu.be/tZZxeIPcKB8

    Version2 was cropped a bit longer: https://youtu.be/HLpMU-JU1qY

    If I were more agile with Coachโ€™s Eye, I would be able to compare them more accurately. If I have time later tonight, I may tackle it. When I just read the time off the iMovie, they were always within .1 which is less than the accuracy of that eyeball method.

    in reply to: Tunnel turns #8614
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! Ugh, the heat! It certainly is not much fun ๐Ÿ™

    >>Next, from between my legs, he cannot choose โ€œleftโ€ or โ€œrightโ€ with any accuracy (even with hints). At least I can practice this inside and get it trained up.

    Perfect indoor a/c training! I recommend doing it on a jump or very short tunnel (he is facing a jump between your legs, so the left and right applies to “take it and turn” rather than on the flat)

    >>The setup is so that the target jumps are on a soft 90 degree turn.

    Looked good – happily he was already turning while in the tunnel, so the jumps were not luring the turns, just giving him something to drive to.

    >I donโ€™t think he is paying any attention to the verbal cues on these tunnel reps. My motion is 100% predictive of what I want. Is this what you wanted me to do??

    For the moment ๐Ÿ™‚ It is a start! It falls into the “get the behavior” category.

    >>He was basically perfect leaving the tunnel each time. The only one which I thought was at all questionable was the last โ€œgo onโ€.

    Yes, totally agree, I think he did REALLY well here! In past session, he was not as good on the turns with you doing ‘soft’ turn cues on the tunnel entry, even with the motion being super predictive. So… next step: verbal needs to be strengthened as a something that predicts the motion rather than happens during/after the motion.

    When he hears the verbal, I would like him to predict that the next thing that will happen is that you will begin running that direction, so he doesn’t need to ‘wait’ to see the physical cue: he can think ahead and set himself up for the turn.

    The way to get that is a specific order of conditioning (because it is really now about classical conditioning with a little bit of operant thrown in – I call it ‘predictive cuing)

    So we need the verbal to happen *before* the physical (slightly separated in time) so he learns that “left” means the momma is about go thataway and that is where the reward is (toy, jump, etc). So you can start with him in the between-the-knees set up: start saying ‘left left left’ – let go, he moves, you then step the left. So it is the same order as Pavlov’s bell/food pairing:
    left verbal then left motion/reward. Your motion and the reward will help condition the left verbal, so he will automatically turn left.
    So we start without motion, but then we can add motion – you are running forward, saying left very early and *then* showing the physical cue.

    Eventually when the verbal is highly conditioned, the physical cue will be less important.

    An example: right now I am teaching the puppy what the release “break” means.
    So while she is in a sit, I say “break” and *then* tap the floor and then she moves and then the reward comes out. The reward is not necessarily contingent on the movement but she doesn’t hold position when I tap the floor – so I can ‘get’ the behavior and then a toy follows, which produces a positive conditioned response AND is a positive reinforcement, operantly.
    Yesterday, I did not tap the floor: I said Break and she immediately moved out of the sit and came to me. It was a conditioned/reflexive response (“that word is followed by good things happening near that crazy lady”) and now it shifts over into the realm of Skinner where the toy is also a positive reinforcement. The 2 types of responses (conditioned and operant) are so closely tied that they might be almost inseparable, and it is how I get the dogs to respond to verbals as well – reflexive AND operant.
    Let me know if that makes sense!

    Tracy

    begin saying your left cue while moving forward

    in reply to: Sandy and Benni #8613
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi there! The shirt is GREAT!!!!!!! And I think you did a lovely job getting through the courses!

    >> I hope by the end of camp, I will be able to do a lot of things betterโ€ฆtrust him more so I can get up the line and out of his way, set better lines, get used to setting the turns from further away etc. Iโ€™m not used to these kinds of courses so weโ€™ll see how it looks after a few weeks of practice.

    That is a definite goal for the summer! We will be looking specifically at handling choices (how to make them and how to execute them) in the coming weeks.

    After watching them, here are some ideas for ya!
    Course 1:
    – On the 3-4 line, you can stay closer to the jumps to set a better line on first rep – you were closer on the 2nd rep and the line was better, but you can be one step closer to get it perfect.
    – no spin needed on 4-5, that was actually too tight – you can send and go go go ๐Ÿ™‚

    – yes, the wide turn at 7 (:13 & :58) was because you were backing up, backwards motion is still motion: remember to stop moving when you rotate. Also, I think you were saying right instead of the wrap verbal?
    – On the exit of the 8 tunnel, you used a Right cue and it worked really well when you did it with a get out arm at 1:01! You can send to 8 and then drive ahead while using that cue to set the serp line. You did a serp to rear 9-10-11-12, I think it was a good choice and possibly the only option because it would be hard to outrun him up the line for a blind – You can set it tighter and sooner by being closer to the jumps (an arm’s length or less as you run up the line).

    – 14 is a hard line, a definite lead change so it is a ‘get out’ moment and not a go jump moment. It needs convergence or a push away – you gave a switch at :35 as kind of a RC on the flat so it was a little wide – I suggest a get out arm (I use my opposite arm) for that and convergence towards him. You ran faster and set it with motion at :40 and 1:07 which helped totally!! Running faster is never a bad thing ๐Ÿ™‚

    Course 2-
    – On the opening: that lead out position near 3 is fine but the big step to 2 sends him wide. You can lead out there, release and just chill – he should then jump it nicely. No need to step in towards 2, that caused him to jump the center of the bar rather than turn towards you.
    On the first rep at :05 then you pushed back in to 2 too much and it set the line to the off course tunnel. The 2nd rep and 3rd rep were more subtle in the opening but you were further from 3 (moving away from the perfect line). Another option here is to run into a blind cross.

    – About that pesky 6 jump: yes, he probably needed a soft turn on 5 to pick up the line to 6 or a FC instead of the BC – I think it was partially his inexperience, plus you were running to the blind cross and probably needed to call him to remind him to come in for the jump.

    – I like the BC 7-8! Nice!!!! You can then call him sooner (the ‘right’ verbal) – he was hearing it at the exit, try to get it in at least 6 feet from the entry.

    – After the backside, you can be a little closer to the serp line 9-10 (you can run closer to all of your serp lines, try not to pull away from them at all – staying closer will both get you further ahead and set great lines!)

    – GREAT FC at 11 (:34 and :58) – nice send and go, and it looks like you ran a perfect path, his line was great!

    – Coming back down the line – First rep – you pulled away from 13 at :35 and it looped the line a bit. It was much tighter at 1:01 when you stayed closer (trust his commitment to the serp jumps, I think you are tending to try to handle the jump rather than just connecting and running – trust it and let’s see if he has any questions) You got the blind on the last rep at 1:23 (yessss!) even with being a bit careful – you can put the pedal to the metal and get it very easily.Nice! That was the case on a lot of the courses – you can get the blinds, you just need to trust and giddy up to get there ๐Ÿ™‚

    – On the last jump – it is a get out line because of the lead change away, which is especially important when you rear crossed the tunnel – your physical cues were good but it was much easier when you got ahead after the blind ๐Ÿ™‚

    Do over video of course 2 – on this angle you can see the opening line better, how stepping in pushes the line too wide – he is jumping center of the bar on 2 when ideally we want him on the inside of the bar and turning towards you. I don’t think he needs you to step in with the right side of the body on this type of line.
    The decel to the blind worked nicely and the FC worked REALLY nicely!!

    Course 3 –
    – A bit of strategy, based on how it is set – you can go for a BC between 3 and 4 (takeoff side of 4) rather than landing of 4? That will set you up for the BC after 5 sooner (because that BC after 5 was VERY effective!) Or, trust and run to get to the landing of 4 sooner for the blind. You can also leave the tunnel earlier and differently to get to the landing side of 3 and serp up that line which also gets you to 5 sooner.

    – the BC on the landing side of 5 sets up a really nice line 5-6-7, so it is definitely helpful to get there – you were a little late but I think you can get away from 2 sooner and that will get you past 5 sooner too!

    – I think he took the backside of 4 at 1:04 because he had been picked up and moved over, dogs don’t really love that and often ping away. Good to remember about him, especially on start lines!

    – On the tunnel in the middle – he rad your positional cue each time and turned nicely! You can say left sooner to help support it, at that 6 foot info line before the entry.

    On the ending line – the switch cues worked best when you stayed connected and kept moving – the first one at :21 had too much shoulder pull away, so it broke connection and he didn’t know which line you wanted. At 1:16 and the next rep you used more motion and it worked nicely to get commitment – I suggest more motion into it then decel before you rotate, to tighten it a bit. It is a lot of work, though… because it doesn’t set up a better ending line. I liked the wrapping to the left you did a lot better, even when it was wider – definitely set up a better ending line! At 1:40, your decel was late so the rotation was late and he was wider. You had a little too much slam on the brakes at 2:02 but you can see how a tight turn there sets up a great line to the end! On both of these, remember to use your exit line connection (arm across the body, not the dog-side arm) to set that last line.

    Whew! Lots of good stuff here. A common thing I noticed on all of the runs: really great connection! You are almost always connected – and that is one of the hardest things. Well done!!!

    Tracy

    in reply to: Peggy and Demi, and Wilson too #8612
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! Think of how warm the winter will be with all that firewood!!!

    Nice work here on these:
    1st rep – Really nice run! You can be earlier on your verbals on before the tunnel, like name and go (those were said as she was exiting, try to get them in when she is hitting the 6 foot line in front of the tunnel entry). She is getting a really big stride (yay!), so you can probably start to decel while she is over jump 3 to make it one stride sooner. The turn at 4 was good but I think it can be gooder ๐Ÿ™‚ Nice connection on this one!!

    2nd rep – I really liked the timing of your wrap cues here, you were decelerating as she was taking off for 3 so your cues were really well-timed and she set up a lovely turn. This is the “gooder” that I mentioned above hahaha! Great turn! The rest of the sequence was too quiet LOL I think you were so focused on your transition that you got really quiet. Keep reminding yourself to use the verbals. Great connection on this one too!

    Rep 3 – The timing began the same as rep 2 here, but then you slammed on the brakes – she just needed one more moment with you decelerating forward, one more step. Plus, you were really wuiet ๐Ÿ™‚ Use your verbals to help with commitment. Nice connection on this one too ๐Ÿ™‚

    last rep – This was the only disconnection – as you were heading to 4 you were looking forward, so she dropped 3. The turn on 4 was good, but keep the connection like you did on rep 2 (that one was pretty perfect). And remember to talk to her and drive all the way through the end – you stood up too early, stopped moving at the end and she dropped the last bar. Always drive like there is one more jump ๐Ÿ™‚

    Rep 2 is my favorite (just add words :)) Great connection AND timing!!! Yay! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Karen and Tokaji #8611
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! I agree about the heat, it has been wicked!!
    On the video:

    Seq 2: Both reps looked great! Line, connection, timing of the blind and the push cues – great! She slipped exiting the tunnel a bit on the 2nd rep. My only suggestion is to do the verbal “tunnel” and “go” cues sooner on the 1st so she is hearing them at landing of 4 and before she goes in the tunnel, respectively. It looks like she looked at you for a heartbeat on the landing of 4 on that first rep. I liked the timing on the 2nd rep, nice and early ๐Ÿ™‚

    Seq 1:
    On that opening line: Line her up facing 2 on jump 1, as a pretty severe slice, to eliminate that extra turn at :19 & :45. Her angle at :40 was a little better but you will get an even straighter line on a more severe slice.
    On the tunnel exit: Much more connection needed at :22 and :26 and :43 to set the turn. She is drifting here (and a couple of other places, see below) because you are looking for her but it is getting blocked by trying to connect with your dog-side arm. Check out the exit line connection in the custom skills sets that I posted yesterday ๐Ÿ™‚ That will help set the line much sooner!

    On jump 3 – I agree that slice lines are a better choice on this backside… but I suggest slicing the other way ๐Ÿ™‚ The exit of 2 into the backside of 3 is MUCH easier if you take her through the middle of the course rather than all the way past it (plus it sets up the same exit options at 4 if you want, or you can play with going the other way on 4. To get her to take the far side of 3,
    you needed to get and hold onto a massive connection – when you did, she got it! When you pointed high with your arm, she didn’t get it because it turned your shoulders to the front side of the bar so that came in at the last moment.

    I like the send to 4 and the BC 5-6!! You can easily get there in terms of timing, but make sure your path is heading towards the correct side of 6 (you were too far over on 5 at :35 and :53 so she landed long then turned on landing).

    On the exit of 6 – this is another spot where she was drifting behind you because of the connection – more exit line connection on both reps when you came through there will really help (there are visuals in the skills sets :))

    Seq 3: fun to play with all the options!!
    Option 1, circle wrap at 3 (also 1:48) – on these, the BCs at 2-3 can come sooner, they were a little late so she landed long on 2. Also, you can run a more perfect path 2-3 to help straight that line, you were a little too far over towards the middle of 2. The circle wraps themselves looked good! Nice and tight! But in terms of options, they will almost always be slower with a dog her size. See below ๐Ÿ™‚

    Option 2 (also at 1:52)- the threadle (in in) circle wrap worked well, try to cue the threadle sooner – I like to use a turn cue on the jump before (jump 2 in this case) to help tighten it up – she landed then had to turn in for the threadle. Also, try moving forward into the BC after it so you don’t get too far behind on this option.

    Option 3 (also at 1:28) – slice to blind (German) was really nice! She read them well both times. See if you can be one more step further over to the exit wing on the push cue so you can be on takeoff side when she is on takeoff side too! Good running line on the exit!!

    Option 4 (also at 1:38) – slice the other way – You had good timing on the blind to get there, but your perfect path running line was a little too far over (kind to the center of the bar on 3) so she landed long then had to push back. The difficulty of that handling choice, though, is that you have to send from so far away in order to cue the exit wrap on 3, so the line into it gets sacrificed. You can try a forced blind or forced front on 3 there, rather than handling from the landing side (you would end up doing a double cross on the takeoff side, but that is fine ๐Ÿ™‚
    Also, on this exit make sure you set the exit line by running the perfect path – you were stepping away from it so she was going a stride or two wider than needed.

    Which was fastest? Option 3, the German slice. It makes sense – the entry line is all extension and the exit line lands her easily facing the tunnel.

    You had good turns at 5 at 1:06 and 1:16, but they got a little wider on the next couple of reps (1:26 and after) – use your cue hand (left hand here) more towards her nose and less towards the landing spot to get more collection (like you did at 1:51) If your hand is low, quiet and towards her, you will get great turns.

    Nice work here! Let me know what you think. Stay cool!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Ann and Winnie the Malinois #8608
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    hi! These looked great! The soft turns all looked really strong – after the decel/step away, you can then take off for the next spot and see what she does (I am guessing she will like it :)) and same on the wraps: When you rotate, you can start to move to the next line. I know there isnโ€™t any place to go on this little set up LOL! But she will enjoy chasing you up the next line, making it very worthwhile to turn and drive out of the tunnel. She is a big dog and was producing GREAT turns, super happy with them!!!! There was the one rep (2nd to last one, I think it was) where you did turn a little too soon and she slowed down before entering – but if you turn and run away, she will accelerate on the exit. And the chasing of da momma will eventually override the slowing down if you are too early, which gives you more freedom to not have to be perfect. I am really happy that she has told us that the decel is more of the cue for her than the rotation because it allows you to do the rotation as a last minute thing, icing on the cake – and the decel can be subtle and she still reads it. Very cool! Nice work here!!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Tom and Cody #8607
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Bigger spaces and different running surfaces absolutely change the timing. Plus, running in a/c probably got a lot more speed from him too, he was flying!

    in reply to: What are your verbal directionals? #8569
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! Here is how I start to teach the Get Out:

    in reply to: Tunnel turns #8545
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!
    Starting from the end of your post first:

    >>If I canโ€™t produce the result I want from close in, then there is no point in moving away, so weโ€™ll stay close for a few more sessions. Ideas for more effective training always welcome. (I cut out most of the play/praise but it was there.)

    Agreed – start close in but I think the wing-to-tunnel set up is close in enough while still having a bit of speed. It allows you to show motion – being at the end of the tunnel with the toy is a good warm up but I do believe we need do it from speed and motion as early as possible. And along those lines – systematically ๐Ÿ™‚ I use my 2×80 rule when deciding if I can increase challenge or if I need to decrease it: 2 sessions in a row at 80% success or higher before I change anything (such as adding speed or more distance, etc). If we don’t get that, we tend to move too quickly and then there are holes. If my sessions are logging in at 60%…. then I need to decrease the challenge. So you can start start with a set amount of motion with the wing 15 feet away, for example: do 10 reps of left/right from handing the entry of the tunnel. See how many fall within the proper success level for 2 sessions then move to the next step of increase or decrease.
    (You could do it from the exit of the tunnel, but I think the lure of the toy or hand was producing the turn plus there was not a lot of motion – so I would start after that step – perhaps not a lot of motion but without the lure)

    So on tunnel exits, how to judge success? You can have something that you can see as a marker but also that he does not think he needs to go around. Watching the tunnel bags… he was exiting pretty nicely then lined himself up to go around the tunnel bags, so it is entirely possible that he thought he was supposed to go around them like a cone or wing or something. When there were no tunnel bags on the right turns, his turns looked much different (better!)

    I do leashes on the ground to help judge, and I also do jump wings: a jump wing maybe 15 feet past the exit on the go line, one 15 feet past the exit on the left line: it gives the dog an anchor to drive to. Sometimes I do a C-shaped tunnel so one end is a go and one end is a left ๐Ÿ™‚

    >>He likes food โ€“ should I switch to food rewards for a session or two?

    You totally could, as long as it is highly worthwhile to drive to!

    >>I want to get right, left, go-on and chkkk-chkkk close in with no motion before I try anything else.

    You could do this in the 2×80. But by close in, I do recommend being on the tunnel entry and not the exit at this point.

    >>Then in a burst of either forgetfulness or masochism, I started going left. I did some chase-rewards but it didnโ€™t seem to help and the number of chase recalls I can do is quite limited.

    Haha yes sometimes we do have those bursts then we wonder why we did it LOL!!! The chase rewards are compelling and get a lot of drive to a new line – hard to know if it helped or not in just one session. You don’t need many reps in each session but multiple sessions are in order.

    >>So the first one is at :18. I give both verbal and physical cues; he exits the tunnel looking left and on his left lead โ€” and he makes a wide loopy turn to the left. (Love how YouTube lets me do slo-mo wherever I want.)

    I think he was wrapping the tunnel bags on those.

    >>The right turns were much better.

    No tunnel bags on those ๐Ÿ™‚

    >>What do you think? Are the loopy ones โ€˜good enoughโ€™ or should I stick to the 90 degree criteria?

    I suggest marking the criteria differently do he can drive to something – a leash on the ground perhaps to mark the line you want him inside of, then he drives to you or a wing or another tunnel?

    Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Barb & Enzo #8540
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    >>Oh, I meant to add: I am a bit disappointed in how poorly Enzo responds to tunnel cues, since he has been working on them for a long time. At least as long as cues that he responds to very well; for example backside wrap versus backside slice.

    Understandable! I think part of it is that he is feeling the wind in his hair more now especially in the tunnels – speed has increased, excitement has increased… totally normal and in fact, desired! But that also always means that something, somewhere is going to get “looser” – and in his case, tunnel exits. Many dogs lose their weave pole entries/exits or their contacts or tight turns on jumps at this point as well (I have been there!!) and I think Enzo is looking good on these so I will happily take wide tunnel exits as the ‘loose’ skill LOL!

    >>Oh well, it doesnโ€™t really matter. The dog tells us what he does or doesnโ€™t know, regardless of what we think we have taught or we think he should know.

    True, the dogs give us the actual feedback on the training… but a bit of venting is allowed LOL!! We don’t train with punishment and we don’t get mad at the dog – so we are totally allowed to vent about it.

    >>Possibly has something to do with how easy it is to work jumping drills and what a pain it is to work tunnel drills.

    Relatable!! I work very few tunnel drills lately, between the heat and the tunnel bagging and Voodoo ripping his dewclaws apart in tunnels and and and…. jump drills are so much easier LOL!

    OK back to that lead out: sorry for any confusion!

    >>The first one, with the circled A is that I considered that I did:
    โ€“ Lead out to a strategic position at the point of the first turn.
    โ€“ Move as soon as he is committed to jump #2 (almost immediately)>>

    Yes, that is what you did – and it produces a turn on landing with a bit more of a zig zag than we want. Almost universally, we want the dogs to turn on the inside section of the bar of jump 2 (the side closer to 1, where you drew the red line) but with that lead out position, they jump the center of the bar facing the handler and turn on landing (even with the great connection and fabulous timing you showed). My guess on why is that the dogs are making decisions before they leave the stay on a lead out so based on where you are standing on the release: boom, decision made even *before* the release. That position can work better in the middle of the course where handler motion is affecting the turn into it and the dogs can see the bigger picture.

    And yes, B is closer to what I mean –

    >>The second shows me starting on the path (is this what you mean by โ€œTry to lead out right on the line and execute the FC with the same timing but on the exact line you want him on (then get outta there of course)โ€. But I donโ€™t like it because then my path is not parallel to the dogโ€™s path. Running a parallel path is one of those โ€œthingsโ€ I do.>>

    I agree that it will feel uncomfortable at first – it is more “on” the line and not as much parallel to the line. It is more of a serpentine position on 2 and the dogs read it really well – you will be well past the #3 jump to cue the line to the tunnel with no problem. I did a snippet of it with the blank slate baby dog (part of something else getting posted) – these are jumps 2 and 3 (I turned him over the 2nd jump here to reward but he was center of the bar on it, so it would have been easy enough to get a tunnel out in the distance – I would not be there that long with the adult dogs, I would be setting that turn on the release and long gone when he landed at 2. That is something you can easily do with Enzo.

    >>I thought you were taking the weekend off?

    Only Saturday ๐Ÿ™‚ It was a do-nothing day at home ๐Ÿ™‚

    Let me know what you think!

    T

    in reply to: Tom and Cody #8539
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! I bet the a/c felt GREAT!!!!!! Yes, you are going to have to get running, he was really happy to be able to open up ๐Ÿ™‚

    Great threadle from the DW to the tunnel at :12 – you were on a perfect line (on the video, you were parallel to the center of the teeter) – great connection, great footwork – Cody read it perfectly.

    He dropped the bar after the tunnel at :17 – you were standing up to make the transition to the turn, I think the bar was just a combination of him getting used to the different footing after some time away from it, and you sorting out the timing, shaking off a bit of rust. Based on how long it took him to get back into the camera’s view, I am thinking that he did not turn very tightly on the next jump LOL! Coming in with all that speed, the early cue is probably what he needed – and you can be even earlier to you can be more fully rotated and connected with a strong brake arm.

    Obsessing on the off course tunnel at :41-:43, it is really subtle:
    I think there was a subtle difference in how you handled it that caused him to go back to th other end. Comparing it to the same thing at :12, where you had the arm but you kept moving forward towards the line you wanted, feet facing the correct end of the tunnel, no stop then start… on this rep you actually turned back to him and connected TOO much (I know, too much connection, who knew it was a thing?? Ha!) But turning back as much as you did, it caused your feet to turn towards the end of the tunnel he went into (freeze it on :42) You had a little more stop-then-start than on the rep at :12. That caused you to block the line a little (on the rep at :12 you were moving away from the line and on this rep you were on it for longer which pushed him away to the other end. Then, with your feet facing there and you starting to move, he was pretty convinced about which end it was ๐Ÿ™‚
    Then note your running line and feet at :58 when you re-did it – much closer to what you did at :12 and Cody was perfect.
    The rest looks really good!! You can add in a little soft brake arm on the jump before the teeter (like the one you did at the very end) to tighten it up. Cody looked like he was moving beautifully and confidently!!!!

    Let me know what you think! Nice work!

    Tracy

    in reply to: Lisa and Lanna #8538
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!
    She is really beginning to read these lines like a pro!!!

    Seq 1 did go really well!!! By putting the BC after the tunnel, she wanted to curl into you over 3 on the 1st run which is why you needed a stronger connection to get 4 and 5 – which is what you did on the 2nd run (the last bar was just the toy throw being a bit early). That looked great! The other option on this sequence is to send to the tunnel and put the BC between 3 and 4, which should set the line a little better to 4 and keep you further ahead.

    The wrong-way-wraps aka accidental rear crosses are something we see a lot! After quite a bit of obsessing, I realize that the turn-away is caused by too much pressure and/or motion in towards the takeoff spot during the rotation of the cross… so it looks like we are cuing a rear cross based on where we are and where our feet are pointed (and how we step out of the rotation). That is what happened at :18 on the first run – as she was deciding how to commit, you turned your feet to the RC line and that is what she read. It is VERY subtle and easier to see in slow motion. Your position seemed fine (on the outside of the wrap wing you wanted) but it was the run fast-then-turn that pointed the info to the RC line. So – maintain your running line to the outside wing like you had, but use a wrap transition: go fast til she lands and then slow down while still facing forward – then as she is passing you/getting into that last 1/3rd before the jump, rotate and head the other way. That decel element of the transition will take out the RCs and also eliminate the tooth hugs ๐Ÿ™‚
    On the 2nd rep, you rotated away from it more (shoulder pull) which actually pulled her off the line – so keep heading that direction but you don’t need to pull quite as much. Let me know if that makes sense!

    Nice work!!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Melanie and Cavu #8536
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hello and welcome! So sorry to not be able to see you in person this year ๐Ÿ™

    I have consolidated your threads an put your 2nd set of videos in here too – it will be easier for you to find everything this way ๐Ÿ™‚

    The videos are marked private, so I can’t see them. Can you re-list them as Unlisted? That will let me me see them. Let me know if you need help relisting ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thanks!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Melanie and Cavu #8535
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Session 2


    in reply to: Sandy and Benni #8515
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! I figured you were doing the rear crosses specifically to get them more comfortable – they are looking good, I don’t think he turned the wrong way on any of them here.

    >>Itโ€™s so cool to feel our teamwork coming together.

    YES!!! How old is he now? 18 months approx? I am not sure what is going on in your area in terms of trials, but maybe some UKI speedstakes NFC runs would be good to try!

    >>By the way, this was the first assignment that all jumps were at 10โ€ณ.

    He did really well on his jumping ๐Ÿ™‚ So fun to see!

    T

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