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Hi!
This went really well!!
>>I feel like I am leaning over too much when I give the cue. What do you think?
I think you were fine with the bit of leaning – the focal point shifts to your hands which are showing a line, so being lower is great (and more visible for her)
>>I am also shaking my arms a lot and not sure in running an actual course if that is very sustainable.>>
These turn away all have an element of deceleration into them, so you should be able to make the connection shift and shake your hands 🙂 Hand shaking makes them more visible so it is useful to do!
The left turn reps all looked good! On the beginning reps, you can turn her away sooner but then the timing sorted out as you added more obstacles to the sequence.
As you get more comfy with these, you can do it from further away and without as much of a rear cross motion line – you can be on the same line as when you are going straight and to get the turn away, the upper body/shifting connection turns her away without you needing to move in closer. (Plus it will prevent accidentally getting on her line and pushing her off, like at :25).
She had a little more trouble turning away to the right with the hand cues – she might need a bit more practice turning away on the flat to her right (or maybe more room, so moving the jump away from the wall?) but overall this went really well! You can also fade out the rear cross line motion and see if you can do it from all the way across the jump rather than stepping towards the RC line at all.
>>How are the physical cues different for the tandem turn vs the threadle wrap?>>
For me, I use both hands for both cues. But the positional cues are different relative to the jump (tandems facing the front of the jump, threadle wraps pulling away from the jump) and I use more shoulder pull away on the threadle wraps. There might be more decel on the threadle wraps but it depends on how tight of a tandem turn the course requires.
And, of course the verbals are different:
>>Do you use a verbal for the tandem turn or in this scenario, would you have used a wrap verbal?>>
It depends on the context: in this context, I would use a wrap verbal because it is a wrap. If the turn was wider, I would use a left or right verbal. If it was a turn away into layering, which is very common right now, I would use me ‘switch’ verbal.
>>I am a little worried about being able to clearly show her what behavior I am cueing. >>
You are doing great! The components of the cue are motion (change in motion or line of motion or both), position relative to the line, connection shift as needed, upper body cues like the hand movement, and the verbal too 🙂 It is complex!
>> sorry for so many questions.
No apologies needed! The questions are great!
Tracy
Hi!
>>So I need to get out of her way and down the line past the wing – that’s what you mean when you say I need to also be on the take off side?
Yes – to get the tight exit wraps on the serp, you will want to be moving right past the exit wing, perpendicular to the bar, all before she gets there. The send to the wing or jump before it is the most important part 🙂
>>the new lesson for the thread wrap – do you have a verbal you use for that?>>
Yes – I use “in in” for the threadle wrap. “Close” is my threadle slice verbal.
Have fun!
TracyHi!
The dog on left side at the beginning looked great! You sent to the wing from further away so when he exited the wing, he could see you in serp position on all of them so he got it 🙂 And being that far across the jump also let you set up the good countermotion exits by moving forward past the exit wing – really nice!!!
On the other side, you didn’t send from as far away and you had more decel at the wing. That meant you weren’t as far ahead on the jump and the decel on the wing tightened the turn more…so he was able to see you in threadle position (like at :37 a little and a lot at :45 and 1:25). He makes a decision about the cue as soon as he gets around the send wing, so if he sees decel or sees you in the gap between the wing and the jump, he will threadle 🙂
So to sort out the left turn serps, keep the jump angled more for now, and send from miles away so as he exits the wing, he will already see you between the uprights of the serp jump 🙂
Nice work!! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
You had really good reps on these!On the first video:
>>I had figuring out where to put the toy>>
Yes, that was the only thing that was making it hard here – because you were doing a couple of wraps in a row, you had to switch hands and it getting in the way 🙂 You can put a toy in each hand, so it is always in the correct hand and you don’t have to switch it around.
The connection was looking good – the 2nd rep for example started off really well! Try not to say “good boy” while he is working because when you did that at :23 then moved the toy forward, he totally thought you were giving him the toy.
When you kept the verbal wrap cues going and the connections, he knew exactly where to be and had really tight turns like on the last rep here 🙂
On the send video:
>Silly post is in a bad place.
Yes! It was totally the post pushing your line. So on one rep you went past it and it worked! On the other reps you were behind it so that did open up the line to the other wing. He sent really well here so it will be easier without the post 🙂 Or maybe use the post as the start wing?
Nice work here!!
TracyThank you so much for telling folks about it! This MaxPup 1 will go into independent study in a few weeks, so they can find it then! We will start a ‘live’ round of it later in 2024 🙂
Tracy
Yay! That sounds like a blast! I am glad she did really well and was so comfortable in the environment. Is it in a different location?
Tracy
Hi!
Great job building up the turn away on the jump, from one jump all the way up to the full sequence! Yay! He definitely saw the connection shifting and was able to read the turn away cue. It was especially nice when you did the full sequence on videos 6 and 7 – he totally read the difference between the regular connection to go straight and the shifting connection to turn away.When you switched sides, remember to make the shift from his eyes to your hands, that will help the turn away be clearer on the new side too! You were looking at him more than at you hands on videos 8 and 9.
>>I’m a little confused on the serp turn aways? I’m doing it really wrong and I’m not giving Sid the right directions I thin>>
On those, try turning your shoulder away from him as you look down at your hands more. That will draw him to the correct side of the jump and as he is getting to you, then you can flip him away. That is more of what you did on the last video, as compared to the first video where you were looking up at the jump more. Let me n know if that makes sense 🙂
Great job here!
TracyHi!
>>And then I realized I have a completely new puppy I’m learning to be a team with and become humbled>>
Ha! So true! They are easy for experienced dogs… but not baby dogs 🙂
>>The first rep was hilarious to me because I’ve just never had a dog flank out away from me like this.>>
She wasn’t flanking… she legit thought that was the line 🙂 When setting up sequences for her, the jumps are not big visuals as compared to the tunnels and a-frame. So I think in the beginning of this session, there was a lot of visual ‘clutter’ she had to sort through to find the jumps. Then when she did it went really well! You can help her when there is other stuff around by breaking it down at the beginning and dialing back your motion, to help her see the jumps better.
When she sorted out the visuals, she did really well on the Iines!
When cuing the wraps, remember to decel as she is taking the previous jump so you can smoothly rotate for the FC. When yo didn’t decel and went right into the rotation, it ended up turning your to the RC line so she was correct to rear cross at :44. She almost did the same at :52 but then she saw you moving to the new line so she switched back to the FC 🙂
Also, you can add more direct connection on the exit line connection – if you end up switching the toy around, carry a small toy in each hand so you can’t switch 🙂 That way you can really focus on the connection back to her. If it is not clear (like at 1:30, where all she could see was your back) then it is possible that she might end up passing a jump like she did there, or on the wrong side of you. You can see the exit line connection a lot more clearly at 1:40 and her turn and line were great!
Nice work here 🙂 Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! Start with the sends! I love getting small dogs to do BIG sends so you can build up a ton of distance 🙂 Plus it is fun because she gets to run run run 🙂
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Ugh the weather has been so gross! Fingers crossed that it dries out soon.
For smaller spaces…. you can take out the jump bars so you don’t need as much room. Handling around wings will be very challenging for you but will be easy to fit into a small space 🙂 And, even in a small space, you can send to the start wing or send to the next wing from as far away as possible by moving less – sending with connection and one step to get commitment.
Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>So, basically I need to be so far ahead to cue a turn? I’m not sure that’s realistic in a real run.>>
Yes, for the wrap exits, ideally you are passing the exit wing as she is approaching the jump (like for a German turn). The magic is in the send before it – you don’t have to be all the way at the exit wing as she exits the jump or wing before the serp jump, but you need to be running forward to that line so she says “I see what you want!”. If you run an L-shaped line parallel to the bar then past the wing, she is likely to slice the jump because of the parallel line info.
So if you send from further away and head directly to the exit wing, she will put in a turn stride.
>> Is there anyway to get her to add a stride? I’m not been successful this far. She decides much too early which makes wraps and threadles next to impossible to execute.>>
A wrap verbal can help, but really it is all about the line of motion. When it stops raining, try running directly to and past the exit wing with no parallel motion to the bar and I bet you see an immediate difference.
Tracy
Hi!
You are correct, there is so much to analyze and obsess on LOL!! But also, the dogs provide great feedback so if she is doing it right then you are doing it right 🙂>> I definitely don’t think I did it right in my above video. I did not emphasize the landing spot with my eyes or shoulders. >>
You did enough of it that she read it really nicely 🙂 You can exaggerate it more if you want – pointing the arm and a more dramatic shift of connection – but she seemed to have very few questions so she might not need more drama 🙂
>>I just kind of made sure Kashia did the circle wrap and then took off forward. It feels like I broke connection with her at the circle wraps even though she still followed through with what I asked.>>
If you feel like you were waiting and helping too much by staying near the cone, you can try running ford sooner, right behind her tail, which would require a more dramatic connection shift 🙂
>>I feel so silly! I get so focused on certain things that I forget other things. Sometimes I focus more on the practical application than the actual concept. Or I focus on what I’m doing with one part of my body but I forget the other part. I look forward to the day this all becomes natural! LOL>>
Don’t feel silly! Kashia is the one who gives the feedback and she said it was good 🙂 If she thinks it is bad info, then she will not commit or she will run past the jump or cone 🙂
>>In this video, I think I was so focused on not side stepping that I forgot to keep that connection with my inside shoulder. Unless I’m wrong, Kashia actually seemed more forgiving of my mistake than my other dog since Kashia did the wrap more successfully without pulling off of it to continue forward.>>
Usually young dogs are NOT forgiving at all LOL!! So Kashia must have seen what she needed to see to get the full wrap. Your other dog might need to see more of the shifting connection to be able to ge the wrap while you run forward.
Tracy
Hi!
>>Kashia was super energetic to start training but I could feel myself losing her throughout the exercise.>>
She was pretty energetic throughout, but definitely more energetic at the beginning. All the wrapping is hard, so you can do more straight line go go go games to keep is simple and mix in some of really hard wraps sometimes too 🙂
>> Which is really so funny because my older dog loves this exercise. She was racing around the jumps and cone like a barrel horse!>>
Ha! Some dogs love to wrap LOL!
>>Anyway, Kashia did pretty good I think.>>
Yes! Super good! Her commitment on the jumps looked really strong, your connection was super strong too! At the very beginning (:20 and :34) you didn’t have enough shifting connection to the landing side as you moved forward from the circle on the cone so she didn’t fully commit. You fixed it on the next reps and she was great after that.
>> Did I fix the cone maneuver you mentioned in your last feedback on this exercise?>>
Totally yes! She is naturally really goof at turning to her left on those circle wraps, so adding more connection on the right wraps helped her get those really well too.
>>I saw a few reps where I still stepped a little but it seemed maybe a bit better. Or just less exaggerated than before. >>
The steps on those reps were really minimal so overall, it is a big win because you were able to keep moving forward really well 🙂
>>By the last couple of reps, I really had to cheerlead Kashia along to get some speed. I immediately stopped after that and did something fun before ending.
Yes she liked it 🙂 and it must be warmer there because you didn’t have to wear 57 layers of clothing so you could run faster which she also liked 🙂
For the hard wrap stuff, you can try having her do one rep and then your other dog does one rep, so she gets an unwanted break LOL That might help keep her pumped up more.
Great job here!
TracyHi!
I think this session looked great! The sends looked really good, and she was able to find the jumps too which allowed you to do the BC and FC. And she also saved you on a couple of reps – she is growing up! Yay!
The sends look so strong that I bet you can be even further away to send her to the wing and closer to the jumps!
For the BCs – you were a little late at :22 but then the timing at :37 looked much better! You were a little far from the jump after the blind there, so she didn’t take it. The BC at :52 was spot on and so was the FC at 1:04 – really strong!!!
One thing that helped was that you were trusting your sends and leaving to get to your cross before she even arrive at the wing. Super!
On the other side – you were actually starting the blind too early at 1:20 and disconnected a bit… so she almost came off the line to you but then went back out and found the jump. That is a big moment for her!!!
The FCs are harder than the BCs on this sequence – if you were a little late finishing the rotation, like at 1:37 and 1:47, you end up in her way so she went to the other side of the jump as if it was a backside push. Good girl! Being shade further from the jump really helped her find the line and doing it as a blind got you off her line sooner too.
The other place she saved you was at 1:42. You were not as connected on the send to the wing and you turned away a bit too soon… she looked at you but then went and found the wing Good girl!!!! She is getting really good at finding her lines!
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
