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Good morning! She did really well here and yes, she reads your cues pretty perfectly!
I couldn’t hear your verbals that well, so I am assuming they were all perfect 🙂Looking at sequence 1:
You can start the blind sooner so you are connected before takeoff for 2 (:03, :27). The timing at :43 was better because it was earlier, you started after she landed from 1 and looked at 2.
To show the line 5-6: Try to get past the tunnel 4-5 (:08 and :35) – it is a trust thing: you can send to the 4 backside and leave sooner. Stay connected and trust that she will see the line (as long as you stay connected :))To get the line 5 to the tunnel, you can get up to 5 and as she is asking the tunnel, you can add in an earlier decel and brake arm (and name call), all before she decides how long to jump over 5.
You used an arm at :59 but it was after landing – use it as she is deciding how to approach 5. And watch her head there: if she has not turned her head, keep calling her and handling the turn. Don’t say tunnel (which is a forward cue) til after she has turned.
Next sequence:
She was a bit wide on the FC 3-4, but that was because your position at 1:09 and 1:23 was too far over to the tunnel. As she was approaching the jump for the FC, she saw you moving to the landing side which shows the line to the tunnel. Even when you were earlier on the FC, she was still wide based on the line you were showing. So send her to 3 but stay closer to the 4 jump, and you will see her jump nice and tight to 4.Great job!!! Let me know what you think!
TracyOMG! That is crazy weather for sure!!! We are going to keep going for a little longer than planned in this class, so hopefully the weather calms down 🙂 Keep me posted!
TracyGood morning! She did well here!
She organizes differently with her hind end when you move faster and are further ahead – she lifts/carries her hind end more than she pushes from it like she does when you are not moving as fast. It is a subtle difference but she was working through it very nicely here!!! By the end she was using her hind better when you were moving more – she added a stride on the 2nd to last rep but I think that was more about you standing still near jump 1 and pulling her in. She didn’t add a stride on the last rep when you stayed in motion.
So for the next backside session, send to the backside from further away, so you show it to her with you further ahead but not moving fast. And, on some reps, start closer and moving a little faster 🙂 We are basically showing her “faster” and “further ahead” separately… and then if that goes well, we can put the two together further down the road.
The only change to the setup that I would suggest is moving the bowl target another 2 meters further from jump 2. It was a little close to the 2nd jump here, so she had to slow down immediately. If it is further away, she can stay in extension as she lands and then run to the bowl.
Great job!! Keep me posted on how she does!
TracyGood morning!
She did well with the 3 jumps!
It had some good challenges for her too – I believe she needs to see this without the moving target for a session or two, because she was really driving to the target but not always organizing her striding.
On the 1st rep, she was rushing a bit to something off screen (probably the moving target) and on the 2nd rep, she was watching her black ball rolling on the left side of the screen (I don’t think that was the target, but if you play it in slow motion you can see her turning her head to look at it). And on the 6th rep, she was probably hurrying to the moving target when. The 2nd bar dropped. So a session of stationary target should help that. Then you can add back a sloooowly moving target 🙂>>I’m not sure I set her up as well as I could have
The best reps came when she was in a stand to start and her shoulder was not past the jump cups. The 3rd rep is a good example of that. On the other reps, like the last 2, she was more centered on the bar and a bit too close, which made it harder.
So with the 3 jumps, try a stationary reward target and let me know how she does!
The wing wraps with just the wing were a great warm up – the first rep had her back feet kind of splayed (outdoors is exciting!) but then she immediately organized on the next reps and did really well, including when you added the bar! Super!!!!! I like what she was going on the platform and over the bar. I think the you can use a cookie bowl if cheese is more magical than a dead toy here, to keep her from looking at you. Or a lotus ball if you have one.
So the next session here can be a wing wrap added in before the plank/wrap on t he bar. Then you can play with the backside version of this too.
Great job! Let me know how she does!
TracyHi! He is doing really well!! And the little sides to the plank help remind him about his organization because they fall off when he is not fully organized LOL!!!
I would do one more short session before adding the bar: In that next session, switch to cookies only coming from a reward target (like a bowl or MM placed past the wrap exit of the wing) and not from your hand or in the sit position. Because he is looking at your hands, he is angling a bit to the side and not sitting fully organized – but that is a reward placement thing more than a struggle thing LOL!! Cookies are life!
And add in the wing wrap before the organizer to the wing. That adds speed into the game as well.
Once those last 2 pieces are comfy (the reward target and the wing wrap before the organizer), onwards to adding the bar!
Great job! Keep me posted on how he does!
TracyHi!
This was a good session overall! She definitely understands the framework of the game which helps us be able to work through the next series of games easily.I think she was slipping off the side with her right hind because she was getting the treats for sitting… so she was trying to look at you. AND the treats and that is hard to do on a narrow plank. That is an easy fix with the next step – no more cookies in position when she sits 🙂 As soon as you see she has done the sit, release to go around the wing to the MM. So after the cue to sit, be sure to watch her hind end. When you see she is fully sitting, release to the MM. Take your time to be sure she is fully sitting, no need to try for a fast release 🙂
For now, the MM is in a good location. As you add the bar fro the wraps, you can move the MM further around the wing, so she finishes the wrap, takes a stride, then arrives at the MM.
Great job! Let me know how she does with the next steps!
TracyGood morning!
I think the length of the bars worked well here and you created good distances for him. It was a good session!!
A couple of ideas for you:
He seems to have a really good stay, so Tte further from the 2nd jump you lead out to, the better the grid goes. It is an extension grid so being 6 feet past jump 2 when you release gets more extension for him, which is good! When you released at the wing of the 2nd jump, he ticked the first bar. So trust his lovely stay and lead out well past jump 2 and see what he does. And if he breaks the stay, go back to reset him in the right spot because he re-sits himself in a strange place then the grid doesn’t work as well LOL!!The first part of the session (4 or 5 reps, I believe, in the first 2 minutes) went really well so it was good to make it slightly harder. And it was indeed harder! But that is fine 🙂 When he was jumping left to right (across the screen to the left), I feel that he was having to think a little harder about it but still executing it properly, definitely his stronger side for this.
When he was going right to left (move across the screen to your right), it was definitely harder for him and he had lots of organization questions (some added strides trying to balance).
I was typing in a suggestion to try being on the other side (leading out on your right, where the 2 wings are touching, rather than leading out on your left) to see if that shows a slightly different line and that is what you did on that last rep – and he bounced! Yay!
You ended the session there which was the exact correct thing to do. When you revisit this, you can be on that side and if he adds strides, you can make it easer on that side but making the angles of the jumps easier, and keep it harder on the other side. You can do 2 reps in the hard direction, then make it harder and go 2 reps in the easier direction, etc.
Overall, a really strong session! His question on the harder side in one direction is perfectly fine, because we want to make sure we are challenging him enough but not so much challenge that his brain explodes LOL! He is doing great!!!
You can keep playing with the 2 jump grid as part of your training rotation, and you can also revisit the backsides. When you add in the backsides, make the distances easier and have your reward already placed about 10 feet past jump 2 because he is too fast for you to sent to the backside, run AND get the reward in place before he looks at you 🙂
Great job! Have fun!
TracyGood morning!
Lots go lovely work here – these are challenging skills and he did a great job!!!On the first video, he read the exit of all the blinds really well! This will be a useful tool in the toolbox for sure to get your turns AND stay ahead.
He did have some questions about the threadle wrap at the beginning – after watching the whole thing, I htink it came down to the rhythm and body cues of the threadle slices looking too similar to the threadle wraps. You can help him on the wraps with decels and a hand flip – I use a shoulder rotation too to help set up the turn and make it looked super different. At 2:20 working the bigger sequence, you made it look SUPER different and it was GREAT! Plus, you had a little decel there too and it really helped him get tight on the turn – you are so far ahead there, you can set the turn without rushing away.
The push wraps looked strong – you can add a bit more decel and a little brake hand (opposite hand before he passes you) to ask for a bit more collection.
And yes, left might be harder but he turned to his left really well as you did the big sequence! I think it is a cue question more than a side preference question.
Looking at the big sequence: this also went well!
I think the #4 jump was the hardest part LOL!
At 1:41 he ran past 4 – you deceled and turned but didn’t really move, so he ran past to get a better look at what was happening LOL! You can send to 3 before he passes you and leave for the area of 5, cuing 4 and then watching him to see when he looks at it. You got it at 1:52 by standing still, by sending sooner to 3 (before he passes you after 2) will set the line and allow you to keep moving). Note how early you sent & left at 2:15 to get to the blind, that was his best line to 4! Sending even sooner to 3 will get a better turn over 3.The push wrap here looked good! He jumped them really well! Make sure you don’t block the wing, because that means he has to run around you (2:07).
Nice job on the blind to threadle wrap at 2:20, very clear connected cues, patient but fast, just lovely. YAY!
He definitely understands the push to slice challenge like the backside serp or German turns. When setting up for the German, you can run closer to 3 and decelerate to cue the turn (approx timing for him would be about 1 stride after landing of 2 t see the decel) then send to 4 and move to the exit wing off 5. At 2:28 you ended up a bit too lateral and had to stop, which caused a zig zag on 4.
He read the threadle element really well on the last 2 reps! I think finding the line from 4 to the threadle was hard, he was thinking about the front side of 5 for a moment. You can give the threadle cue one stride sooner (before liftoff for 4) plus I think with more experience he will not ask about the front side, based on your line (as long as you don’t push to the front side).Under the DW: Yes, the red dog likes the distance! YAY!!! I think you can now try to hand back even more, not going past where your wings were placed on the tunnel.
The hardest part was the 5 jump here:
:41 he ran past 5, you can use your motion coming back down the line and earlier & repeated verbals (directional like a right verbal and a jump cue). You had more arm on the next rep so keep the arm, but add in motion as well as big verbals when he is approaching 4 (before landing so he knows to look for 5)You can add in a turn cue on the tunnel entry to get a better turn to the wrap (SO MANY WORDS lol). You can also turn him the other way on the wrap jump so he has a better line back to the tunnel, if you can get the turn on the tunnel exit to set it up nicely.
And let him see the change of your motion line and hear your turn verbal (his name worked best) before he goes into the tunnel the last time to get the last jump and not the #3 jump). Parallel motion top the lions as he entered and exited the tunnel plus Go at 1:15 got the off course. Your use of name call and shoulder turn really helped get that last jump when it was early and often with the tunnel entry 🙂 Also, try to make sure your name call is calm and less urgent – urgent loud verbals get a lot of go to whatever line they seeThat tunnel-weave under the dog walk looked great, it is SUCH a popular high level challenge! YAY!!!!
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi!
Congrats on baby dog’s first fun run!!! SO AWESOME!!!! Keep me updated about the FEO next week, he is ready for it. And at least you won’t have the hurricane that appears to be bearing down on the US Open.Looking at the video:
WOW he looks great here!!! He has made big progress in finding the big lines AND processing the verbals!
>>I think we was pretty patterned to the sequence by the third session so I don’t think he was really working away in a sense.
I think that either way, it was great! Lots of success and a huge confidence booster for him to go fast and work with distance and turn tight too!! NICE!!!
I only have little details to add:
When you work the Go lines but you are not moving (stuck behind a dog walk haha) you can repeat the verbal so support the line verbally because motion doesn’t support it, and we don’t want him to start to second-guess if you get quiet.He did REALLY well with the out after the tunnel! You can start saying it before he goes into the tunnel and say it while he is in, and again after he exits 🙂 Early and often! I think Karena was sometimes saying “right” but the right verbal is more of a jump commitment cue (jump and turn right) rather than a turn on the flat cue, so the out cue was more effective (and the right turn here on the tunnel should theoretically produce too tight of a turn).
I like that Mike used the Right verbal on the #4 jump after the out, but it was a little too urgent when he pulled off of the jump. Remember to keep those softer turns paired with softer verbals.
Speaking of urgent strong verbals:
He did better on that very last jump when you are bot h quieter and more of a “jump” cue rather than GO GO GO. The GO verbal has a similar urgency to the out verbal, and he likes the out verbal a lot plus he just did it a bunch. So the name call before the tunnel entry then a jump verbal is going. To help him find that last jump and not do the out jump again.He was really lovely on the wraps after the tunnel (front and back) and also was GREAT when you asked him to NOT take the tunnel. Yay! If you have access to a dog walk, you can put it over the tunnel here and work the simple pieces too! I like to work the simple pieces of this challenge before the dog walk gets too exciting because that way the dog walk is less of a distraction.
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyHi! You can play with the DW restriction stuff, and also the jump-tunnel discrimination can be done at a walk-ish since she has a good stay!
>>Whatever works for you is fine. I just wanted to let you know why I’m not posting like usual. I think I’m better and then try to run…and I’m not.>>
Better to let it heal up! And the forum notifies me when you post, so I am happy to come look whenever you post 🙂
Tracy
Hi!
>>Jump training will be put on hold for a little while. Promise got spayed on Friday. She is doing very well and today has decided she is perfectly well and this crate/cage rest is a huge injustice! It’s going to be a long recovery . It’s never a good time to schedule these things, but now was a good time in terms of competition and in preventing another heat which she does not do well with at all.>>
Yes, there is never a good time to do it but it is a good thing to do 🙂 I like my boy dogs intact but my girl dogs spayed LOL! I am sure she will make a quick recovery and will be angry that she didn’t get to play LOL!
>>I think potter and Annalise will get to take my working spot in the two week class>>
Great idea! We are going to keep it open til Thanksgiving, so it is a but longer than 2 weeks LOL!
She did well with the slow motion parts of the session here, I totally agree.
>>I thought it went really well at the slower speed and then started getting sloppy with fatigue and increased motion. >>
I don’t think it was fatigue of the Hund end muscles, I think maybe it was a brain explosion from having to run past the reward target? That seemed to be all that she could thing about LOL!! I bet she has no trouble with it next time 🙂Next time on the backside circles, we can add more of your motion – rather than standing still, you will walk forward into it, with you heading to where the wing meets the bar so she can see the wing. As she passes you can turns her head, you will slowly walk forward past the wing, still asking her to sit til released then go t the reward target. You will have to move very slowly 🙂 because we are challenging her to organize with counter motion.
>>I’m guessing these activities will be the perfect activities to start with slowly once she gets released by her vet.>>
Yes, especially the very beginning ones with just the platform. But they are core-heavy and if you did a traditional spay, her core is going to be sore 🙂 so my guess is that you will want to wait a minimum of 14 days and maybe more.
Great job here! Let m know what you think!
TracyHi!
>>I had to switch to a Cato Board for the slicing exercises as my Aerobic Step was sliding in the dirt as Street was pushing off and I didn’t want him to hurt himself or get scared. It’s wider than the Aerobic Step but he still organizes pretty well.
Yes, the Cato plank went really well!!!
>>He is a bit slow sitting on some reps but I think he is anticipating the release.>>
Yes – a slight delay because he was thinking ‘forward’ and his brain waves had to travel to his butt 😁
One thing I noticed on all of these was that he was either thinking REALLY hard or he was a bit stiff in the hind end, kind of keeping his back feet together as he moved more than I remember him doing on grass. Maybe it was the different footing, or maybe he has been partying too much lately LOL! But give him a bit of a massage and see if he feels tight anywhere.
He did really well with the front side slices! I think you can trigger the MM sooner, so he looks at you even less. You can click it as soon as his butt sits on the Cato plank because there is a slight delay between the click of it and the grinding noise, so then the release will happen with perfect timing to get him looking at the MM.
The next step can be to add more speed with you moving faster, or another 2 inches to the height of the bar (but not added speed from you. Both are good to work on, you can start with a bit more speed from you then raise the bar and do a couple of reps with less speed from you, all in one short session.
The backside wraps are going well – he is organizing as we want him to and looked pretty balanced on both sides. He was a little forward on a couple of the right turns but he fixed that pretty quickly. The bar down at about :20 was just because you were in the way but you fixed it on the other reps.
He was able to pass the cookies that were already placed in the bowl towards the end of the session, but there was a LOT of thinking about that happening LOL!! So you can put the MM in that cookie target spot, he seems better able to ignore it.So now the next step here is to keep you moving, slowly, the whole time. Move towards where the backside positional cue (where the wing and the bar meet, so you are not blocking the wing) til he is past you, then you will slowly move forward past the wing (while he does the sit then release on the Cato plank). That is what the handling cue will look like, so we can now challenge him to continue to organize himself while you keep moving. You might find it easier if you send him to a wing before it, so you both are in motion right away.
On the backside slices:
AS with the other skills, remember to stay in motion so that decel is not the cue to organize. Your motion can be very slow as long as it is steady the whole time . You were sometimes staying in motion, sometimes stopping with him, so we want to be consistent that you will always be moving.Of the 3 sessions here, was this the last one? This was the one session where he looked like he was carrying his hind end over the bar more than pushing off, so he was probably just fatigued. You can structure the training a little differently: since it is such a big workout, you can do 10 or 12 reps of any single skill (or split tat between 2 skills). If you want to do a circuit of several skills, limit to 3 or 4 reps of each skill on each side, so you stay under 20 reps total for the entire session. That will avoid fatigue and form change. I think he will be fine for this skill but you can start the next session with it so he can feel the power 🙂
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyOh wow! Congrats!!!! Sounds like he was AWESOME!!! I can see him being even faster in that pumped up environment 🙂 This is so exciting!!!
It is smart to NOT do anything else today. Tomorrow is perfect! And I am sure we will keep this forum open longer than the 2 weeks, to be sure everyone can get a chance to play 🙂
T
Yes! Now I remember! I will need to go watch that episode again. It wa such a good show.
Sorry to hear about your calf 🙁 Looking at the calendar – would it help if we kept the forum open til Thanksgiving? Let me know!
T
Good morning!
He did really well on all of these!
Looking at the jumping away from the course on seq 1:
The mark/focus forward looked like the tightest option, he jumped it well and you got far ahead. The throwback was too tight, good for wrap starts. The behind the back got more extension over jump 1 when he was pretty close to it to start… but towards the end of that section you were further from 1 and that worked better! He was not as tight as on the mark/focus forward, but you were further ahead and I believe he was faster 🙂The slicing starts to the threadle also looked good. You can start him a little further from jump 1 there for a little more power into the first jump, but he jumped it all really well and his turns looked great – especially when you did the FC on jump 2! NICE!!!
The last section was jumping towards the course on the slice angle. That went well too 🙂 His only question was at 1:55 where you sent from a distance that is a little outside his comfort zone. You needed to be maybe 2 more steps closer to the 2nd jump like the other reps as you sent him (and send before he passes you). This is a good spot to work, because you can extend the distance on his send by starting where he is comfortable (maybe 3 meters from the jump) then gradually work getting further and further away from it as you send & reward, so you can extend the distance away on the sends up to 5 or 6 meters.
Great job! Let me know how the next sections go!
Tracy
