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Thank you for the video! This is why we do all of this videoing: to find the pattern and try to see what she is communicating. Like with the previous video, she was mentally engaged and stuck with you. And she was tugging and chasing the thrown toys. She was tugging like a wild woman towards the end, was that the pink piggy? So why was she not doing the sequences??
I think her struggle has to do with the tunnel! Every single refusal (except one question, more below) was either when you cued the tunnel or in the previous video when she was in a stay at the jump facing the tunnel (so clearly the tunnel was next).
It is entirely possible that the tunnel is associated with pain or something. Hard to know why she doesn’t like it, but it could be she tweaked herself in it and is a bit concerned about a curved tunnel.
Her other question had to do with how early you rotated at the wing – probably too early for her youth and inexperience 🙂 She was definitely figuring it out by the end and not avoiding it. You can decelerate facing forward for longer, and rotate after she is past you and almost at the wing.
So I would say she *is* interested in doing agility – you did get some tunnel reps, and she got more and more sure of the wing commitment as the session went along. That along with the toy play tells me she is interested in agility – but the tunnel gives her the ‘ick’.
OK, cool! You can do jump stuff without the tunnel. Put that thing away for a while :)You can replace it with a wing that she can race track around. A few days of rest while you are in Seattle will be great and then when you are back to training, we will adjust the games to be wings/jumps an also concentrate on things like the backing up onto a wobble board.
>Not sure how to train the rear paw lift that you showed in the video.>
That is my favorite conditioning game! I basically lured it LOL! The dog is in a stand with her front feet on one side of the little bar, nd back feet on the other. With a treat or something (I think my dog was licking from a tub of peanut butter) so the nose would follow, I moved her nose to one side then withdrew the food without really moving my hand – and when she stepped forward with one back foot, the treats went back in. Having the dog on an angle really helps, so when I went to the other side, I switched hands to get the dog to rotate and face the other angle.
Let me know what you think of the Jazz Currently Hates Tunnels theory. I am not worried about it – we can easily get the tunnel love going when we know she is feeling perfect again. And in the meantime, we can get her learning a gazillion things without the tunnel 🙂
Tracy
Hello! She is doing really well with everything!!!
Video 1 – you were definitely early on the first rep but also you were not really moving so she was a bit confused. Good job rewarding her! And when you added a bit of motion and decel into it, she did great! The FC and the spin were both spot on!
One small detail: add more connection to her eyes as she exits the tunnel – you were looking forward so she did a little zig zag out of the tunnel, looking at you to figure out where to be. You had a little more connection on the first few reps on the other side, and she had no questions about where to be. Yay! When you had less connection at 2:29, she looked at you and had that little zig zag and had to be pushed back u to the jump.
Video 2: Tandems went really well! And so did the balance reps.
I am SO GLAD that I am not the only one who confidently calls the WRONG NAME of the dog hahahahaha I do that all the time. My dogs just roll their eyes at me and Torch was happy to answer to Wish hahaha
She is responding really well to the hand cues – the left turns were a little harder but she still did really well. I don’t think you need to pull as far rom the jump as you did on the first side.
On the 2nd side, you stayed closer and she was still lovely! But that was when you called her – on the reps where you called her late, she was already locked onto the wing. So call her while she is still in the tunnel (you can call her right before she goes in and call her a couple more times) so she exits looking for you and not at the wing. When you called her after exiting, it was just a shad too late.
3rd video – the circle wraps looked strong! You did a great job of opening up your arm and looking behind you to support the circle wraps as you moved forward. Yay! And that allowed you to get the BC on the spin exit really well too.
The left turns were harder for her but you slowed down a little bit and that TOTALLY helped. That allowed her to really sort out the mechanics and get it right.
And gold star to her for taking the wing on the way back towards the tunnel instead of just blasting past it to the tunnel LOL! Good girlie!!!
Great job on these!
Tracy
Hello!
This all went really well!
On the circle wraps: Opening up your shoulder and looking behind you really helped her commit independently on the circle wraps on the right turns. You can even point behind you with the arm/hand closer to the wing to support the line as you continue to move forward.
She did a GREAT job doing the circle wrap on the wing heading towards the tunnel instead of just skipping it and running to the tunnel 🙂
Getting the commitment and the blind cross was a little harder – looking behind you to support the wing commitment then making the quick reconnection after the blind really helps.
One thing you can add on the harder side (left turns) is a cookie reward – you can drop a cookie in on the ‘landing’ side of the wing rather than rewarding on the same side as you. That will help her make the turn around the wing because it helps her see the reward behind you and cookies in your hand are easier to ignore than the toy 🙂
Looking at the straight line game:
The go looked great! Woohoo!!!!The decel was a stride late at 6:32 so she was a little wide. You can start the decel as she lifts off for the jump after the tunnel (you started it one stride after landing here).
Nice job pushing the line on the backside – the connection was AWESOME! It looks like you were blocking the wing though at 7:12 so she 100% knew it was not the front side but was not sure of where to go.
I think you wanted the backside at 7:47 too but all the physical cues said front side of the jump until after she was past you. The goal is to split the difference between the rep at 7:12 and 7:47 – use the same big connection to her like at 7:12 but also push across to where the wing and bar meet on the backside wing of the jump. Connection plus that line of motion should get you the backside.
Nice job with the Rear cross at the end! One small detail: when you decelerated at the wing after the tunnel, you don’t need to turn forward at all or pull your shoulder to the straight line. You can face the center of the bar on the RC jump and then immediately move up the line to that center of the bar. That will allow you to give her the info even earlier AND you won’t end up as far behind her 🙂
Great job here!
Tracy
Good morning!
When you did get her into the tunnel, her line finding was great! And on the first video, she did great with the wing wraps (nice warm up!) too. You can Wait a little longer before moving away on the one jump sends on the first video, she just needed an extra moment to get organized. You can hold the send til you see her front feet lift off, then run the other way.
>For some reason she’s not going in the tunnel a lot of times. I’m not sure if it’s me doing something or if she’s distracted, etc.>
I watched both videos to see if we can figure out why she was avoiding the tunnel. She was definitely working and engaging, and she was avoiding the tunnel on a bunch of reps.
With any avoidance moments, my first thought is always that something might be painful/sore. She has to scrunch down to get in and through a tunnel, almost army crawl! The tunnel is smaller than her! So if something is sore, that is where we will see it with her: the tunnel.
You can ask her if she is ouchy somewhere by checking her toes (sighthounds and toes….. sigh). And also by having her stand still and you gently tap your thumb and index finger down her back, with one finger on each side of her spine. Start at the base of her neck and slowly tap to see if you see any response (like little spasms) ripple through her skin. You can also do skin rolling, which is just gently rolling her skin/fascia through your fingers and gently lifting it away from the muscle. If she feels loose and good? It will roll easily and lift easily. If she is tight or ouchy somewhere? It will feel sticky or you will not be able to roll it.
>And then sometimes she seems to be distracted or unmotivated. I’m wondering if she’s feeling some stress about training. >
Yes, something was causing her to be a little stressed by the tunnel – she did a big shake off after she did a tunnel on the first video and you lined her up to do it again, and then she would depart the session a couple of times after doing the tunnel.
The other possibility is the visual of the weave poles right behind the tunnel were very hard to process. That might have been drawing her attention away from the tunnel entry so she couldn’t quite organize to get into the tunnel. That could have been the source of the concern and the tunnel avoidance! But that is easy to experiment with – try a session without the weaves visible there. I mean, sighthounds do notice every little visual change so maybe it is that?
I agree that she did have good runs in both videos, and when she did the tunnel the line finding to the jump was terrific! No questions there!
So try those little physical things to see if she is ouchy anywhere, and try a tunnel session without the weaves behind it – and hopefully she will tell us why she doesn’t want to do to the tunnel 🙂
And you can try the handling by replacing the tunnel with a jump or wing, so you can keep doing sequencing as you figure out why she is avoiding the tunnel for now.
Nice work here!
TracyGood morning!
First things first:
>Went in and made spaghetti sauce, left it to simmer>
YUM!!! Spaghetti sauce! I am easily distracted by food LOL
OK about the training:
Reading your update and watching the video, she was mentally with you. Fully engaged in terms of staying with the session and paying attention.
So it is entirely possible that at this point, she doesn’t have two ‘on fire’ sessions in her, in one morning. The first one was great but it ate up what she could do, physically (maybe mentally too, but she seemed with you mentally).
>This morning during our “walk around” she was on fire; into her toy, racing to and thru the tunnel and nailing her stays/releases to the toy.>
This is great! And it is possible that running hard then resting up, she came out feeling different, physically, which is why she responded differently (physically). She was still interested in the toy and the food (was this before she ate breakfast?)
I do think there is some residual behavior from her protecting her knee – we can see it here and there in the video like at 1:38, when she stood still with her left hind out away from her body and off-loaded.
So what might be happening is that after resting and sitting around, there is stiffness/soreness so she is not able to produce the same on-fire attack of the sequences.
>I’m not sure how to proceed with this behavior. Give up on using toys when videoing? Get video and exercises set up before our morning “walk around”? >
On days when you want to train anything explosive, I think getting the video camera and game set up first thing then replacing the morning walk around with a short fast training session. Then you can do the walk around 🙂 Flip the order of festivities to see if that helps her.
And adding a warm up and cool down can help. Warm up and cool down takes a few minutes on each side of the session, but it is worth it: At least 5 minutes of warm up (trotting on leash, cookie stretches, etc) then after you finish a cool down with walking, longer stretches, etc. There might be less time for the training but the training will be better overall so more time is not needed. And you can alternate the explosive stuff with easy stuff like lazy game for cookies, tricks, etc.
>Take up scent work instead?>
According to a bunch of studies, we should all put our dogs in scent work 🙂 If only there were more hours in the day! But I don’t think you need to abandon agility 🙂 I think we just need to sort out how to best train and protect her body as you build up her knee strength. Having been down this road, I know it is HARD at first to predict what to do, but it works out really well.
>I sent Bobbie Lyons an email with info from visit with Dr. Canapp. Hope to hear what opportunities she may have for rehab/strengthening exercises.>
I am sure Bobbie has a TON of helpful things!
>I fly to Seattle on Weds for a pre-treatment consultation>
Yay! Things are moving forward – that will help so much to be able to know what your schedule will be in the coming weeks.
Nice job here keeping her engaged and rewarding a lot of things. I didn’t really comment on the handling because when she was running, you looked great! And you were definitely focused on finding ways to get reinforcement to her, which is so critical.
Tracy
Hi!
>Should I use a different reward placed there then? bowl or open lotus ball? Just thinking in my head the coordination of getting there on time to drop cookies LOL! I could try it & see how I do!>
Yes, both of those would work. And because it is an obvious target, you don’t have to rush to get the cookies in them – she will wait patiently for a second or two 🙂 and I am sure that would work really well.
> Now that Sunnie (mostly 98%! 😀 ) knows her verbals for right wrap & left wrap, if I start adding a BS verbal- doesn’t the picture look the same as a wrap on this barrel? I don’t want to confuse her, I guess I need to understand this picture too and how it’s suppose to look different to her. >
Excellent question! What makes it look different for her is that we’ve added a bar (ok, a towel, but it still is a visual like a bar 😂🤣) So while she is going around a barrel and coming right back, she is being asked to find the side of the barrel without the bar on it – aka backside! A wrap verbal would be over the bar then around the barrel – you can totally show her that on this setup too. That way the wrap verbals have a very different meaning and visual than the backside slice verbal, based on where she sees the bar.
>Here we go with BS slice right turn, all the positions! Soooooo looking back at my video I don’t think I did this correctly. I’ll show you anyway>
Thank you for posting it anyway – I think the session went really well! She knew where to go really well and your rewards were spot on too. You were tending to send more than do it with parallel line motion which might be why you were not feeling it was correct? So you can totally begin moving forward before the release fromthe stay, so you are showing the parallel line motion and also so she already sees the line of motion and doesn’t take that little half step towards you. But overall, it is looking great and she is already showing understanding as you add distance.
Great job here!
TracyHi!
These are off to a really strong start! His commitment and your connection are looking good!
On the wing after the tunnel on both videos: you don’t need to change sides. You can keep him on your right side here and send him past you to the wing, to get a smoother line.Then, on this wing and when you come back down the line to the tunnel to the last wing – we can adjust your line of motion to get you to keep moving. For your line of motion, think of it as sending him past you to the wing but you are staying near the wing. Then as he passes you, you will fold in right behind him and keep moving forward. That will be harder for his commitment, so you can look behind you as he moves forward to help him finish wrapping the wing.
This is one of those spots in agility where you might feel like you need to do 2 things at once: move forward but look behind you LOL! You won’t always need to look behind you, but it is a good way to help teach him to finish the wrap even with you moving forward.
Plus, if you keep moving forward, it will be much easier to get the blind cross on the exit because you will be past the wing when he exits so you can flip your connection to the new side.
Nice work here! Let me know how he does when you add more walking forward!
Tracy
Hi!
Great job breaking down the perch work to build value for her getting her feet on the bowl. She was definitely building a ton of value, and she loved the moment of play at the end 🙂
For the next session, you can try to get more pivoting going: I think having you stand up will be easier because then you can throw the treat a little behind you – then she will pivot back to face you. Or, you can try moving towards her to see if she will pivot away from you a bit.
Looking at the threadles: well done to you for helping her understand where to be – I think there was only one blooper on both videos! Excellent! The front of the jump might have had a lot of value, but you clearly shifted the value to help her understand to come to the threadle side. You can also add looking at your threadle hand, because that can help direct her to the correct side of the jump.
> In the second video, you’ll see her unsure if she should go through the uprights or not to start the rep. I’m hoping we had enough ‘oops’ reps to give you a good idea of what I may be doing wrong.>
I don’t think you are doing anything wrong 🙂 On those reps where she *almost* went to the wrong side (that was where the one blooper was) – she was getting the treat really close to the jump and on a hard angle, so that front side of the jump was actually really close to her! She did a great jb getting it right. You can have more of your body visible outside the edge of the jump, so it is even more obvious to come to the threadle side.
The next step is to show her the serp versus the threadle in the same session, so she can see the difference between the 2 cues and their respective positions.
>In the first video – we started strong with the stay/ignoring the toy, but that got to be too much of the focus, so we switched to a treat toss.>
You can also try putting the toy down and then asking her to sit – it might have been to hard to hold the sit with you dropping the toy down that close to her. Using the food worked really well too – you can replace the toy on the ground with an empty food bowl so she has the visual target to drive to (and then you toss the food into the bowl :))
>We haven’t yet started the Backside Slice Foundation – only because she was having trouble with the Threadle Slice and I wasn’t sure if it would be too similar or confusing? Let me know what you think>
You can start it – she will be on a different line and position, so I don’t think she will get confused. The slices on these 3 cues (backside slice, serp, threadle slice) might result in her touching the uprights.
And hooraye for the new jumps so she won’t get an ouch if she accidentally hits the wing!
>In one of the videos you mentioned potentially having additional information on the setup differences for the threadle/backside – I’d love more information if it’s not already in the field guides/videos.>
For the threadle, set up like you did here with plenty of your arm/side visible outside the edge of the entry wing.
For the serp, the strike a pose body language is basically the same, except you are going to be standing with your belly button lined up to the exit wing – basically on the other side of the bar from the where youwould be on a threadle.
For a backside push, she will be on a line parallel to the entry wing of the backside, and you will be moving along a line parallel to her line (kind of towards where the wing and bar meet).
These cues should look pretty different so I think she will be able to discriminate between them.
Leading with the head: this actually went really well! It is hard for us humans!
>She does NOT like the idea of having to go around twice before getting a cookie, when she CLEARLY did it correctly the first time>
She is so cute saying WHERE IS MY COOKIE but actually, she was definitely game to keep trying!
2 things that will make it easier:
– to start each rep, line her up at your side so you can send her forward to the upright (that will make for a smoother start).
– when she comes around the wing and you want to turn her away from wrap #2, think of your hand cues as being low and slow 🙂 What I mean by that is: keep your hand really low, right in front of her nose. Then draw the hand slowly into the turn, so it doesn’t get too far from her.
When she was asking questions, it was because your hand was a bit too high & far from her, and moving too fast to flip her away.
But when you had your hand lower and moving more slowly (like at 1:53 and 2:52, and especially 3:07 & 3:19 and the last rep!!) she totally got it. The closer to her nose you keep your hand, the better she will be able tp read the turn cues.
>After rewatching the videos I realized she was leading with her head from the start – if that’s the case, should I not ask her for a second turn?>
For now, keep asking for the 2nd turn. It allows you to isolate and mark/reward that head turn. Plus it is a great way to help teaching her to really bend and slither around the wing like a noodle 🙂
Great job on these!
Tracy
Hi!
>you speak German?>
Ich spreche sehr schlecht Deutsch. Ich hab Deutsch studiert, als ich war an der Universität. Aber das ist schon lange her, deshalb erinnere ich mich nicht mehr an viel davon. Ich habe Musik und Oper studier, daher war es wirklich wichtig, dass ich auch Deutsch verstehen konnte. (Hopefully this makes sense 🤣😂 )
>This is quite unusual in the US. Have you ever been in Germany?>
True, it is unusual! The US is not great about teaching languages. Unfortunately I have never been to Germany but I was able to speak some German when I was in Austria for agility!
The training with the wings looked great! Excellent work making the big connection after the blind, so Sammy had no questions. Super! Jazz also had no questions and was even tighter in his turns on the wings. This might have been because you were very comfortable sending him to the wings and started doing the blinds sooner. So if you want to play with it more, you can try starting the blinds before they arrive at the wings (while they are a meter away) and see if they continue to commit even when you are earlier.
Great job here!
TracyHello!
What a gorgeous day for training, look at the stunning blue sky!
> I also just realize I do a lot of processing out loud. LOL! >
Ha! That is perfectly fine of course 🙂
>One thing I learned from watching this is that I need to position the camera higher.>
The camera angle was GREAT because it was fun to see you lined up between her ears at 2:30ish and 3:27ish and 4:05ish. It was a cool visual! And when you released her, it was still easy to see your mechanics.
Nifty is blazing fast (yay!) which does makes things harder but she has a terrific stay and also I think you did a fantastic job with your mechanics! The flatwork is actually pretty hard because you don’t have jumps or tunnels to give you any extra time.
The single blinds were pretty perfect! And I think Nifty had a grand time. She turned very immediately when she saw the new side connection, which means it was very clear to her. Click/treat to you!
She smoked you on the first few double blinds but she still got rewarded and that is great. Then when you added the longer lead out, you were able to do the first blind pretty soon after the release and had time to do the 2nd blind: lovely!
>I had to think a lot about my mechanics. It’s going to take a lot of practice.>
Your mechanics were strong throughout the session – the only little bloopers were when you didn’t lead out as much, not mechanics bloopers. So definitely keep emphasizing the mechanics like you did here. You are definitely ready to add the wings.
Great job here!
Tracy
Hi! This was another super session – all of the tunnel games looked fabulous!
Getting the blind on the line after the tunnel – perfect mechanics.
Getting the BC before they got into the tunnel – perfect mechanics AND timing! Yay!
Surviving the death zone 😂🤣at the exit of the tunnel – also looked fantastic. And adding the balance rep of no blind and back around the wing before doing the blind cross did not change the good timing and mechanics of your blinds. SUPER!!!!
>when I crossed the death zone of the tunnel, I didn’t realize I was off-camera by the end, but hopefully you can see enough to determine whether I got my timing right. My girls never went the wrong way out of the tunnel, so I’m assuming I did it right! 🙂>
You totally nailed it! The dogs knew exactly where to go.
>Getting the blind before my girls got into the tunnel felt relatively easy for me. Is that because they aren’t crazy fast like your demo dog, or was something I did different?>
Those blinds did look great! Both of your girls saw you take off to do that blind and they both cranked up the speed! So getting it right was not because they were not moving fast – they were hustling!
I think that the success with those death zone blinds was because you used your distance skills and were able to show both girls the BC info on time. When you were running past the exit of the tunnel, you were pretty lateral and they saw you do the blind before they even entered the tunnel. That is exactly right!
You are definitely ready for the next set of games coming on Monday morning!!! Yay!!! Great job here!
Tracy
Hello!
>I think you need to include a disclaimer that wing games may cause dizziness or queasiness!>
Eek!!! I am sorry to hear that! But you did a great job with both dogs: excellent attention to the details of the mechanics and your connection was very clear. It looked like Kastella was forcing you to be even faster because she was really flying – but you had no trouble being super quick. Yay!
The 2 wing game is actually really hard but you and both girls looked really smooth! And the L shaped turns on one wing went great too.
And I promise that the next set of games will not make you motion sick – they will feel more like normal agility 🙂
Great job with this, it was pretty perfect!
Tracy
Hello and welcome! It is great to see you here!! Which area of Germany are you from? It is beautiful there.
>And sorry for my bad English.>
No apologies needed! Your English is excellent 🙂 I can also try to translate parts into German – I studied German in school and was pretty good at one point. But that was 35 years ago 🤣😂
>My boy Sammy (5) is little clown and my other boy Jazz (3) is quite sensitive. >
Is Sammy the silver poodle and Jazz is the black poodle? They are both fantastic! Well done with the flatwork here!
If Jazz is sensitive, we will be sure to fill him with confidence on course by always continuing even if there is an error 🙂 Always continuing and never stopping is great for the sensitive dogs because they love to run and never think there has been a mistake. There were no errors here, but as the games get harder there might be an error sometimes.
> I am not sportive and very clumsy in handling.
This is not true at all – you are doing a lovely job with the blind crosses here. You kept moving, you were connected, and had clear mechanics. That is exactly what we want! Both of the dogs understood what you wanted them to do. They were fast and also accurate. Because they are so fast, here are two ideas that can help you be even earlier to show them the blinds::
– when you are running, you can keep your elbows bent and arms tight to your sides. That will make it even faster for you to turn to the new side and make connection.
– when doing the double blinds on the flat, you can do the first blind sooner. It can begin with a step or two after you release them from the stays. That will give you more time to get the 2nd blind visible for them and show that exit line connection.
For now, keep exaggerating the mechanics so they can see it really clearly. You are ready to add the wing games and tunnel games – the flatwork is looking great! I am excited to see how they do with the wings and tunnel.
Great job here!!
Tracy
Good morning!
This 2 wing game is probably the hardest game in the entire class! You did a great job emphasizing the connection on each rep.
> I did a couple of wrong turns at the start, but think I got the hang of it towards the end.>
Yes, the first 2 reps were spins (FC to BC) but then you did a true blind :24! Super nice! The spins also had lovely connection and one or two still showed up here and there (or brains just really like to turn towards the dog) but you were starting to really lock into the true blinds. And you were totally nailing the correct mechanics of the connection – that is the most important part. YAY!!!
When you did both wings at :40 and after that – lovely true blinds! Great job with the mechanics! This game is a good one to revisit here and there, even if you are just noodling around in your yard, to see if you can get faster and faster. It is like riding a roller coaster LOL! But it will make everything else feel so much easier.
Great job! I am heading to the email right now to look at the contact videos 🙂
Tracy
Good morning!
> Is there (another) verbal for this?>
Yes! So many words. LOL!! The verbal specifically tells the dog to come in between you and the wing/jump, and wrap that wing (which is a radically different behavior from the threadle slice in terms of jumping skill for the dog, thus the different verbal). I use “in in” for it.
>The dog makes the same move they would for a backside, but instead of the handler “pushing” the dog to the backside, the handler is outside of the dog. (Assuming this is the point of the exercise).>
Also yes – the dog has to get to the ‘other’ side of the jump which is the backside based on their previous line. And in this instance, they do it by coming in between the handler and the wing/jump, rather than the regular backsides where they put the wing/jump between themselves and the handler.
These threadle wrap (and tandem turn) turn away moments are one of the rare times in agility that the hand cues are actually the primary cues (most of the time we don’t want hands involved so that is part of what makes the hand cues so salient on this type of turn: OMG! Mom’s hands have appeared! 🤣😂 . The speed of the hands and timing of the hands appearing and moving will tell him just what/when/how the turn is.
What was happening here was that he was not seeing the hands early enough, so he was not entirely sure where to go. You can show him your hands before he approaches the wing here, as soon as he starts moving. I like to make both of my hands visible to the dog, which means the opposite hand is stretched across me and my hands are pretty low (leaning over a little bit is fine to help with that). The goal is to get him locked onto your hands so he knows which side of the wing to go to: no hands? Other side of the wing. Yes hands? Threadle side of the wing.
And for now, the hands also slowly flip him away, stating nice and low so his head can follow them (he won’t always need the hands to do this, he will soon start turning himself away).
The speedy and high hand cues sent him out long past the wing and almost looked like a toy throw, which is why he was accelerating past the wing and looking for something. I like to think of the hand cues for this to be low and slow 🙂 to help produce the correct side of the wing and nice tight turns. It is a handling move that is decelerated in training and also stays decelerated, even when we are handling full courses. You were starting to get low and slow with the hands cues at 1:31, and he was already finding the right line and tightening the turn. YAY!!
>Also re verbals – in general – does the wrap cue mean at least a U-turn around a wing, if not a full circle; and the L/R verbals more of an L-turn (around a wing)? (I’m trying to sort things out).>
Great question!
The front side of a jump has clearer answers: a wrap cue means they jump really tight and come right back around the wing to the takeoff side of the jump. The left/right soft turns have some collection but not as much. And yes, it is more of the L shape and the dog does not come back around the wing – they stay on the landing side of the jump.
The backside of a jump has more grey areas in terms of verbals. And since there are already 4(!) verbals for the backside of a jump, I prefer to not add MORE verbals 🙂 So I think of it as which wing the dog enters on and which wing they exit on.
-Enter on the wing closer to me and exit closer to the wing further? Threadle slice.
-Enter on the wing closer to me and exit closer to the wing they enter on, with lots of collection? Threadle wrap which is what this game builds to
-Enter on the wing further from me (putting the jump between me and the dog) and exit closer to the wing closer to me? Backside slice because they are pushing to the backside away from me
-Enter on the wing that puts the jump between me and the dog and exit closer to the wingthey entered on? Backside wrap (circle wrap)
You can also think of the 2 threadles as turning away from you, and the 2 backsides as turning towards you 🙂
There are a lot of variations in the exact line on backsides, but I really don’t want 10 backside verbals so we try to limit it LOL!
Nice work! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
