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>>Basically this weeks switch aways are tandem turns, correct? I’m not great at those, but I can get Sprite to turn away easily on the flat.>>
There are some similarities in the physical cues for sure! The positioning is a little different and also the implied distance and layering is different too – but the tandem turn foundation is how I teach this skill 🙂
I am glad the park worked!!!
She was fabulous on the big tunnel sending (no surprises there, but GOOD to know and also she kept the bar up on the jump before it (didn’t do anything crazy on the jumping effort there) – many tunnel-loving youngsters struggle with that bar especially when handler motion is going the other way and when the handler is talking over the bar.
>> You asked me to start with the BC, but she slide by the jump. She did that a few times with the blind. Am I not doing something right with my shoulders? The forced front cross worked better in this set up for her.>>
Yes, it was a little shoulder thing that you adjusted and she got it nicely – plus I think you might have been a little too far from the jump (pulling away towards the tunnel) at first.
The timing of the BC at :08 (and after that) was great! When she did not get the jump, it was because your dog-side arm was pointing forward ahead of her. So even though you were connected and could see her, the arm position closed your shoulders forward so she ran by the jump. This is a pretty normal error for baby dogs who are learning the less intuitive stuff: in theory, that blind and cue should automatically indicate taking the jump even if the handling is not perfect. But youngsters are processing all the things that it is not unusual for them to slide by this jump (or serp jumps).
So for now, stay a little closer and give her the BIG connection with the exaggerated dog-side arm back that you gave her when you broke it down, on the forced front crosses, and on the BCs later on. You won’t always have to do this, but she needs it for now 🙂
Because I like visuals, I got some screen shots.
The first one is when she ran past the jump (note arm position) The next one is when you broke it down. #3 is the exit of the forced front, and #4 is the exit after the blind. Note the difference between the dog side arm on #1, versus 2, 3, and 4. So that arm back to make connection is a big helper for her. (See below for the #5 screenshot info)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f7jiB-KJeb8V1JlmfRYb4HmelG2O0PhAKQQn7wENXYs/edit?usp=sharing
Mini sequence looked great! Nice job with the directional on the tunnel exit – perfect timing and her turn was lovely! And the threadle after the tunnel looked great: at :50, your connection and position was perfection and she was coming around the wing knowing completely where to go (I put a screenshot of that moment in the document too because it was perfection!)
Big WOW on the threadle slice: check out Sprite reading the decel even though it was a little late and nailing the threadle, even though the tunnel is her fave and it was RIGHT THERE! YAY! You can start moving away for the threadle sooner, and also for a tight turn like she has on the first jump, you can use a collection cue: as she exits the start wing, give her a collection cue for the first jump then as she approaches that first jump, switch to a threadle cue for jump 2.
Which collection cue? For bigger striding dogs, this situation is best for a wrap verbal because we want the big collection and a pretty immediate drive around the wing (I would use a wrap verbal with my Hot Sauce, who is similar to Sprite on course).
The backside on jump 2 also looked really good! She did really well ignoring that big tunnel!
Great job on these! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>>Worked on Around the Clock verbals.
Changtse & I flunked. >I am sure you did not flunk! Don’t compare to Sly – he is more adult, more experienced, and working in his home turf. Changtse is less experienced and in a newer place. Kim say you two were fabulous and I believe Kim!
>>This seems to be the most important part of this discrimination training, ie, getting to recognize the verbal for each obstacle. >>
Yes and no. The verbal element is EXTREMELY helpful for sure! But it does not have to stand alone. Knowing how to handle it is also super important, especially while the young dogs learn the verbals. And some dogs are naturally more ‘verbal’ than others – Of the 4 dogs I am currently running: 2 of my dogs are very verbal and it is surprising how well they can respond to verbals. 2 of my dogs are not as naturally verbal and the physical cues will override the verbals, so I work to be sure I know what they need to see.
She did well here on this video! Each time you play these games, you will see the behavior build. Great job making the verbals sound very different! And it seems like she is definitely thinking about processing verbals and was super successful here. YAY!
Next step – add motion (can be on the this game or the next games, but either way you can be moving now). It should not be handling, necessarily, just moving. I call it “meandering” along the line, towards neither obstacle in particular, but moving forward at a walk. When you were stationary, it was actually harder for her because the decel conflicts with the extension required to drive to the obstacle. If you are moving, she will feel like she has more “permission” to drive to the obstacle you are cuing, especially if it is the outer obstacle.
Great job here! Stay warm!!
TracyGood morning!
>>I was watching ahead to the videos for Week 3 and noticed that during the “switches” you were giving the verbal, “Switch.” Is this a verbal that just means turn away from you? I know I hear many people saying this to cue rear cross changes on courses. Would it be appropriate to use right and left verbals when coming out of a tunnel instead of “switch?”>>
Great question! Several folks asked this question, which made me have to really think about how to explain why I use switch here instead of just left/right (even though you can totally use left/right).
For me, switch is a line cue (names a line and a scenario). A more common example of a line cue is when I would be yelling GO TUNNEL a thousand times to get the dog on a big line and it means “take everything on your straight line to the tunnel that, trust me, is out there somewhere”.
So ‘switch’ is the similar context for a specific situation because it names an entire line and situation by meaning: “Turn away from me, we are both doing a u-turn, and I will be layering so stay out on your line at a distance”. So technically it is not a rear cross scenario, it is more like a tandem turn + distance + layering scenario. So just like “Go Tunnel”, the ‘switch’ cue names a complex behavior chain.
I use left/right to mean “turn on this obstacle” and there is no real implication about what comes next, and there is not necessarily layering or distance involved. I cannot think of a time where ‘switch’ does NOT involve layering.
>>I know I hear many people saying this to cue rear cross changes on courses.>>
Yes, I hear that too – it might mean something different to those folks as in a simple “turn away from me” The issue with that is it does not provide enough info – “turn away HOW MUCH, mom?” And rear crosses can have a huge variety of exits – wraps, left/right, Go exits, etc. An example: I used to have a “turn away” cue but it frustrated my dog (Voodoo, who has BIG OPINIONS). He was like: you are slow, you are not visible, I know to turn away but I don’t know where to go next so I am ANGRY” haha! As soon as I changed to directionals for rear crosses, and switch for distance/layering, his rage went away 🙂
So I use the directionals on that and save the switch for the big layering moments.
Let me know if that makes sense, or if I need more coffee 🙂Stay dry, hopefully it clears up for a beautiful weekend! Have fun at the trial!
Tracy
Good morning!
>>We are working on the verbal-only sends. We warmed up with these this morning. I stood in front of each obstacle and she is getting it.>>
This went well! The first reps are the most important because that is when she is not in the rhythm of the game or trying to read your mind – and se did really well! It looks like the misses came later in the session – it is possibly that at that point she was into guessing more than she was into processing. So just a couple of reps as a warm up will probably be ideal.
2 ideas for you –
for the jump, you can mark and throw the reward soon: the instant she decides to begin moving to the jump, mark & throw. But mark with “get it” because if you say “yes”, she will probably turn around and face you 🙂And if she has an error, call her back immediately to reset, before she completes the obstacle: think of it as instant feedback. There was a rep where she did the tunnel when you cued the jump, but then she stood at the tunnel exit for a while, not sure of what was happening. It will be clearer if you call her back the instant you believe she is choosing the other obstacle.
Verbals around the clock is also going well! And for a dog that loves tunnels, I am glad about how well she is choosing the jump (even if it was not what you were cuing :))
When the wing is on the harder angle on either side, she needs a couple more steps of physical support to get to the further obstacle (whether it is jump or tunnel). This makes sense, because those outside obstacles require a LOT of strides from the small dogs!! And since agility is a handling game, it is fine to continue to give her that extra couple of steps as she learns to go past other obstacles and also as the verbals continue to build up.>>I’m thinking about what I say at a trial and I only say “jump” once when she reaches the takeoff point before a jump (ideally if my timing is right). I’m thinking about adding in “jump,jump,jump” when there is a discrimination challenge present – what do you think?>>
Good question! If you say jump when she has arrived at the takeoff point, then my guess is that it is already a done deal 🙂 and she was going to jump even if you didn’t say it. Try adding the jump verbal to guide her to the jump – and start it as soon as she exits the previous obstacles. This means you can repeat it – it is less important if it is SUPER obvious, but really important when there is a discrimination or and distance element.
Tunnel sends looked great, nice timing of the cues (note how the verbal cue started before she took off for the jump – yay!)
She reads the blind crosses really well – try to keep them nice and early (aka on time LOL!) like you had it at :09-:10, where you were basically finished the blind before she took off for the first jump, which allowed you to set up the threadle for the second jump (which she did really well on!!!)
When you were later on the blinds, she would be wider – an example is at :17, where you started the blind when she was already jump (compared to :10 when the blind was finished by that time). She landed at :17 and thought you wanted the tunnel. In this instance, she adjusted on the flat (good girl!) but it would not necessarily have been wrong of her to go to the tunnel.
At :27, she took the front side of the jump. The blind was late starting here, so you didn’t get the connection and line to push the backside. The push cues started at :28 when she was already committed to the front side. Good job rewarding it!!! Soooooo many people would have blamed the dog but you felt that the handling could be clearer, paid her, then tried it again. Click/treat to you!
Another click/treat to you for working the timing on the next rep (definitely much earlier) and the connection (note how you dipped your shoulder and made strong connection) and you were also on a great line. 3 excellent adjustments! I guess that would total out to be 4 click/treats for you 🙂
The threadles are definitely the harder skills.
On the threadle wraps, you had a lot of good info going, you just needed to decel a little more to be able to turn her away on the flat (like the maxpup switch aways).
At the end you added that decel – watch her head and that will give you “permission” to cue the jump. What I mean by that is – keep turning her on the flat, don’t indicate the jump til you see her head turn the correct direction and she takes a step that direction. It will feel like a slow motion move, because it is a slow motion move LOL! And for now it is fine to do it as a lap turn, and then you will be able to switch to doing it more like a tandem turn where you don’t rotate your feet.
On the threadle slice (:54) – nice job calling her on the previous jump, she just needed you to open up your shoulder and swing your arm back to bring her in to the threadle side.
At 1:07 and 1:11 and 1:19 she took the jump not the tunnel. On those tunnel cues, the verbal was really good but the physical handling cues all indicated the jump. So she is not quite ready to go to the tunnel while you turn your shoulders & feet away. When you supported her with more connection and one extra step – she had a much easier time finding the tunnel. With continued practice and exposure to these sends, you will see she gets more and more confident with the verbal and won’t need the extra step or two of physical support.
But even with the extra step, you still got to the threadle position on the mini sequence! YAY! She didn’t take the jump the first time at 1:27 – if keep connected to her eyes as she arrives on the correct side of the jump, that points your shoulders to the take off after the threadle. The rep at 1:32 was clearer terms of commitment to the tunnel and connection on the threadle after it – lovely!!!
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyI tried to share it but FB wouldn’t let me. I will look for some other videos to share – those threadle wraps are very popular and they all use varying degrees of decel. And it is easy to see with the Europeans handlers because they run with such gigantic strides LOL!
Excellent question!!!
Basically, left or right names a turn on one obstacle so it can be used. However, the way I have taught, defined, and used the ‘switch’ cue is that it names a line and a scenario:
The dog should turn away from me, we are both going to move in the entirely opposite direction (a u-turn) and the dog should pick up a line while I layer the obstacle. It is super specific and provides more info than the left or right directionals.Let me know if that makes sense or if I need more coffee 🙂
T
Hi!
>> I am still having trouble throwing the ball timely as I have to hide it until he is released else he would fixate on the ball and do NOTHING.>>
The ball throw doesn’t need to be sooner, we don’t need a ton of precision rewarding on these particular handling games 🙂
He did really well on the first video here! He found the jump instead of the tunnel when cued (yay!), and easily found the tunnel when cued (super!) . You can begin the Go Tunnel cue even sooner, because that cue can name the whole line – so you can so GO TUNNEL as he exits the wing, rather than needing to say over then say tunnel.
I think his only quesiton was at :42 when he came to the correct side of the jump but didn’t take it. You were really far so he didn’t really know what line you wanted – you can totally move more now, to get close to the jump to show him the bar (the handling games involve running :))
The 2nd video looks great too! You were very clear about the jump versus the tunnel, and you got closer to the jump after the tunnel so he took it easily. YAY!
>> Looking forward to doing the Switch Away tomorrow and try the last handling challenges also…Friday it’s going to rain and Sat and Sun we are entered in our first AKC STD and JWW trials!>>
Sounds like a good plan! Have fun at the trial and send updates 🙂
Great job here!
TracyHi!
>>Guess I had too little sleep and too much wine in Italy 😂😂😂.>>
Sounds like a perfect vacation….
The handling combos looked great – your connection and timing were lovely! She had no questions about the discriminations and her commitment looked great on all of them (my sequences and your sequences :))
Her only question was on the bar on the jmp towards the tunnel towards the end of the video. At 1:55, you yelled tunnel and pointed your arm up, down came the bar. Aha! So that was a good thing to work on! She is going to need you to be able to yell over the bar and fling your arm around, so showing it to her with a tunnel cue after it is useful! She was figuring it out by the end of the session, but definitely keep showing it to her. It looks like you raised the bar late in the session – you can raise the bar early in the session, so she is fresh and fatigue is not a factor.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyHello and welcome back! I hope you had the BEST TIME EVER!! Please post photos!
This was a good session, looks of good info from her! In a nutshell… finding the outer obstacle was hard without a little more handling.
>>Seemed like when she struggled finding tunnel it helped when I looked at tunnel(not her) and shouted directional at entrance.
On both sides, the closer obstacle was easier for her – it was not so much a matter of you connecting too much, but the differences you were feeling were more about when you took an extra step or two on the line (which might have coincided with looking ahead), she went to the outer obstacle.
When you looked at her a lot and didn’t take the extra step, you ended up turning your shoulders to the inner obstacle so that is what she took.
Looking ahead helped her find the further obstacle because of the body motion. So the connection is less important than the motion,
So for a plan of action – we don’t want to use toooo much handling help so she can respond to the verbals more. When you revisit this, start in position one and say the verbals then give a tiny step to the obstacle (and keep moving). Then we can fade out the extra step she needs as you gradually inch the start wing over to position 2.
No need to get to position 3 yet – the main goal is to get her happy to go to the outer obstacle without you also needing to go to it 🙂
And latent learning will kick in, making it all easier! So give her a day or two then try it again 🙂
Nice work here, glad to have you back!
TracySorry about the weather but THANK YOU for the Ripley TV!!!! He looks great! Yes, the Masters Series was hard but he did a ton of great stuff. The other runs looked amazing – he has found a new gear of speed!! And I am loving the balance of distance skills and tight handling skills. And sorry about the drop-and-roll blooper but you both recovered well 🙂 He looked like he has come a long way with the arousal management at the end of the run too!!!!
Fingers crossed for good weather ahead – all of those UKI courses had a ton of jump-tunnel discrims 🙂
TracyAre you FB friends with Lisa Frick? The most recent video she posted has a nice threadle wrap and you can see the decel.
T
Hi!
>>We also had a discussion about my codependency tendencies-i.e., wanting to help too much.
Bwahahaha we need a support group for “Codependent No More: Agility Edition”
>>>>had decel and clear upper body cues, and she nailed it. You also had good decel at 1:40 and on the last rep (good coaching, Jamie!
>>>I would like to work toward her performing a threadle wrap with less help from me so I can keep moving forward and not so much decel.>>
They all require decel to some extent, even the super fancy Europeans. I will find videos to show you what I mean.
>>haha, Jamie called me on that too and as soon as she started to say something, it hit me that I used the wrong verbal.
Ha! The dogs are so good at figuring us out 🙂
TracyHi!
>>Here is the repost of A Quick Opposite Side >>
These looked good too! He definitely still needed the one step to help commit to the proper jump but that is fine: you can get him moving around the wing, start the verbal, then give the one step of handling he needs for now all while staying in motion – no problem LOL!!! If he can hear the verbal before he sees the one step to help, it will be easier to fade the step – so start the verbal super early like you did here.
>> I agree that I DEFINITELY need to throw quicker. I know I am holding back because I am waiting for that commitment, which turns into completion because I am SO LATE.>>
Or, you can re-define commitment in the skills games: as soon as he answers the question by taking a step to the correct obstacle – reward 🙂
The handling challenges looked good!
>> in these combos posted today, I moved a bit more– but really still not as much as I probably should be.>>
On these, yes, moving a lot is good because the motion makes the side changes harder so the motion is more of a distraction. The handling games are less about the verbals and more about the handling in the discriminations. So you can run run run on these 🙂 The skills games are more about the verbals with less handling help.
The blind crosses looked great and so did the threadle slice! And so did the little mini sequence at the end! I think the hardest part for him was going back to the tunnel after a few reps of the jump.
>>. I believe the wing was too close/bad angle to the first jump, so I think that is why it kept coming down. I probably should have just moved the bar to 4″ after the first bar drop.>>
I think the setup worked well! He had a bar down at :52 – I think it was because of your position – you stepped back towards the tunnel then moved forward to the backside jump, so he couldn’t quite make the adjustment in time.
On the threadle wrap (lap turn because your feet were facing him) – you can decel more to turn him away before you indicate the jump. Try to decel then turn so you don’t end up runnig backwards (that is why he dropped the bar – running backwards presents a different line of motion). You can rotate your feet to face him like you did here (like a lap turn) or you can keep your feet facing forward and decel and use upper body only to turn him away. But decel is the key 🙂
Great job here! Fingers crossed for good weather!
TracyGood morning!
Wheeee! Fun! These looked great.
The layering to the tunnel was easy peasy! I think she liked it LOL!You entered The Death Zone on that first blind by moving between the uprights of jump 1 rather than running to jump 2. We were all concerned for your personal safety, including Roulez!
You were better on the next reps (earlier) but you mentioned feeling late – it was not that you were late with the actual blind, it was just that you were over-helping by running to the first jump then you felt the her hot breath on your heels LOL!! So send to the wing and let her find that first jump all by herself while you run to the 2nd jump.
Then the video froze on a really acrobatic leaping catch – eek! LOL!
You gave yourself more of a head start on the blind at :35, but it still looks like you were moving across jump 1 rather than just leaving her on the line to head to jump 2 (to where you can be close enough to touch jump 2 with minimal effort).
The threadle slice worked at :41 and :45 but you were actually too early with it 🙂 and that might muddy. The waters elsewhere. I think a turn cue on jump 1 will be more effective to tighten up the line – you started the threadle cue as soon as she exited the wing wrap start so theoretically it should have applied to jump 1. To keep things clear, you can use a verbal turn cue on jump 1 (a name call here because it is not a big turn) then the threadle as she is approaching/taking off for 1, so she knows the threadle applies to jump 2.
Very nice job with the go tunnel and the blind to the backside!
I agree with Jamie that you were in her landing space at :55 when she took the bar, with your shoulders closed forward and throwing the toy. The same thing happened at 1:24. So you can be in that space as long as you have “serp” shoulders facing the bar (strike a pose, grown up dog edition :)) to cue the turns and don’t throw the toy til she lands.The first threadle wrap had a little too much forward motion so she read it as a threadle slice. On the 2nd threadle wrap, you called her name at jump 1 (note how well she turned!) and then you had decel and clear upper body cues, and she nailed it. You also had good decel at 1:40 and on the last rep (good coaching, Jamie!) so she read it great! She back-jumped on the last rep but that was presented by your line of motion and you said go, so she was being a good girl. The exit of the threadle wrap would be more towards the start wing.
The mini sequence looked great too! I think you were using your backside push verbal, but you were standing in the threadle position so the threadle slice cue might make more sense (unless I am mis-hearing your verbals).
Great job here! Excellent connection and hustle throughout!!!!!
Tracy
