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  • in reply to: Chata and Tina #39205
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning! She is doing a great job with all of life’s distractions 🙂 And the tugging looked great too!

    >> Right blinds to wraps- my body does not like this

    Gives us insight into how hard it is for the dogs to turn to their more difficult side LOL!

    On the blind-to-wrap: you can put a leash down on the ground for your running line: you were working all of the other details but losing your line a bit as you connected with her.
    Some other ideas for you:

    On small thing: send to the tunnel more so you are further ahead and closer to the BC wing.

    An a connection idea for you –
    TL;DR – run with a delicious beverage in your hand and don’t spill it, that will fix to the arm being too far back and also remind you to decel.

    Here are the specifics:
    The line to the wing on the BC is not a send, it is a commitment while you are moving forward. I think you were sending a bit and that made it harder. For example at :30 – keep your connection a bit more forward the whole time. You had your arm way back, almost threadling, as she exited the tunnel but then moved it forward and rolled your shoulders so she didn’t take the wing. You got it on the next rep but facing the wing longer but she barked at you and then the BC was late.

    The rep at 1:08 was more like what I am describing above, and I think it will be a little easier if you relax the connection arm a bit. I know I tell everyone to have the dog-side arm back, but if you pull it too far back it pulls the dog off the line 🙂 so have it back as if you are casually carrying a beverage. If it is too far back, you’ll spill your drink and you will feel a pull in your lats and rib area. I posted the drink-in-hand game for kicks in the Course Syllabus section 🙂

    That more causal arm position will also help make the blind quicker (because you won’t need to unravel the rotation then change sides and then you will be quicker to connect – that will also give you time to step forward into the wrap. If you try to rotate fast and hit the brakes like at 1:50, she will ask questions. A transition of fast, slow, rotate will smooth it all out 🙂

    The rep at 2:27 showed a good example of the casual dog side arm and connection, and how it quickens the blind and gives you time to make the transition into the next wing. NICE!!!! Compare it to the next rep from the same starting point at 3:00 with the arm all the way back – the BC was late and so was the cue for the wing, so she ended up between your feet LOL!

    On the countermotion moment at 3:29, you did a slam on the brakes and rotated into her before she was past you so she had an Uber moment of checking out. Remember to decel into the rotation, and with pups don’t do the big rotation til she is passing you. You can keep her from Uber-ing by continuing to move to the tunnel and rewarding, as if it was exactly what you wanted 🙂

    Great job! I think this is a perfect time of year for running with a cold drink in your hand – you will feel the moment your arm swings too far back then forward, and you will also feel the moment you skip the decel and slam on the brakes (because you will be wearing the drink LOL!!!)

    Have fun! 🙂
    Tracy

    in reply to: Ginger and Sprite #39204
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning! Sorry to hear about the crazy temperature!!

    >> We’ve just started in a live class about two months ago. She’s taking off and running the field. All of the dogs out are a lot for her and she’s not staying focused on me or work.

    That definitely sounds difficult, and a lot of pressure. For my home-schooled dogs, I always put them in classes or seminars that are several levels below what they can do, so I can work on play, focus, pattern games, etc rather than agility skills. That has really helped!

    On the decel video:

    >> You can’t see from this angle, but no motion is NOT a slow down cue for her. I wasn’t getting a check stride at all with me standing still. She did better with the sends.

    I think this was a really good first session! She was changing her striding and setting up the turns – the Aussie version of it will look more like my Hot Sauce’s version of it (due to the powerful shoulders and structure) and less like my BorderWhippet who is built like a spaghetti noodle (so you can see that little chip step differently than we would on an Aussie). And because my youngsters are older so I have more quantifiable comparisons: although Hot Sauce’s turns look wider, she knows where to go and regularly puts down times that are faster than Contraband’s times. They move differently but respond really well! Sprite is younger than they are but she is on the same path as Hot Sauce, so I am not worried about her turns at all 🙂

    She was surprised on the very first rep (most young dogs do exactly the same thing on the first rep of this game) but then did really well on the rest! She is where she needs to be on the bar (close to the wrap wing), turning her head, and sorting out how to get collection and make the turn without bleeding off speed. She is a little better turning to her left at the moment, the right turns were not quite as good but they came along really nicely!

    She had a question at 1:13, but that was a connection question because you were not looking at her or looking over you right side. You had more connection at 1:24 and she did great.

    >> Then, maybe slightly better with me still afterwards. What else can I do to help her understand this concept?>>

    Totally better with standing still after the sends! It is a training game, so needs to be repeated as part of the cycle of games. And you will be able to leave sooner for her to chase you for the toy, as soon as you see her front feet leave the ground, you can turn and run and have her chase you for the toy 🙂

    She did well on the tunnel game! Fun! You nailed it. Getting past the tunnel o the wing behind it is a pure connection cue from the handler… and she had no questions! YESS!! Because if she had a question, she would be in that tunnel behind you LOL!!!! You had two things happening that really helped (ok, 3 things, because your verbals were really good too):
    – you had excellent arm back, eye contact connection so she knew where to be
    – you were patient in you holding that connection while moving past the tunnel to show the wing after it, rather than closing your shoulder forward.
    And you nailed it multiple times. YAY!!!!
    OK, watching it again, there is a 4th thing you did really well: running great lines. The line from the wing to the tunnel was great, and it looked very different from the line you ran when you didn’t want the tunnel after the wing wrap. Super!

    Great job! Let me know what you think!

    Tracy

    in reply to: Lori And Beka (BC, 11Months) #39201
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    The serps looked good here! She is really getting the idea, so this session was more about you sorting out the spin on the tunnel 🙂 The post turn was just putting you too far away, and she was not able to see the line because you were behind. The spin looked great!

    >> Sorta did and sorta didn’t forget to use our ‘right’ entering the tunnel. A comment was made recently that she is turning somewhat wide on those commands out of tunnels so is it useful to use them if not getting the expected result. She has almost exclusively only done straight tunnels when using those commands so far. the last couple are the first time using a curved tunnel that I can think of. Thoughts?>>

    I think she is what, 13 months old? We are not looking for perfection in the turns. If you are cuing it nice and early, and getting a decent approximation of the turn? Use the verbal so she can learn it, and learn what it predicts in terms placement of reinforcement and where to go for the next line. If she is shooting straight out of the tunnel, either the verbal cues are really late, or the physical cues are not supporting the verbals, or both 🙂 Or the environment is too challenging. Or all of the above. Based on what she did here, those turns can all have been cued with the right verbal. More on that below.

    >> Question as I couldn’t tell from the video for this one. What is your verbal for the RC wrap away from you?

    I use my regular directionals (wrap left or wrap right).

    >>Beka isn’t really getting the concept yet of dig means wrap right regardless of where I am and of course it will take some time to get her to understand that and wondering if it is really the right approach to use the same verbal.>>

    Young dogs take a while to learn that the verbal is the verbal, regardless of position. We haven’t even started cracking into that yet LOL! I find the directionals to be far better than ‘towards’ or ‘away’ because the first thing the dogs need to do on ‘towards’ or ‘away’ is process where I am. And if I am not in the picture, or the physical cues don’t support the verbals, or I am using countermotion… it gets confusing to the dogs and frustrating for them.

    On this exercise, yes, theoretically use the verbals – but if you were having trouble cuing the correct lines initially, I would take the verbals off til I know I can get the correct behavior, then put them back on. So you can do one rep of each without the verbal, just physical cues. And if you get it? Add the verbals back on. This session went well, overall!
    On the Go cues, keep moving as you throw (or leave the toy placed out ahead). Try not to decelerate to throw as you say go, as that can override decel.

    For the check wrap towards you: it will be easier on the full sequence, so you can face the wrap wing forward. She bowed out a bit because because you were trying to rotate on time, and that was causing a bit of pressure into her line.

    For the backside versus the rear – yes, she was correct on the first rep where she went to the backside. The motion and toy placement both said backside and that overrode the verbal. If something happens and she ends up with t he toy, praise her, thank her, and then try again – the ‘leave it’ was too harsh especially since she was not exactly wrong (she would have had to run across your feet to get to the rear cross if the verbal was overriding it). Putting the leash down as the line for the RC will help!

    >> I really don’t know how I am going to get up for the RC and the backside once we get to including the jump before the tunnel.

    Don’t go anywhere near the tunnel 🙂 Go directly to the jump after the tunnel so you can set the lines 🙂 Being laterally away from 1 on the lead out will totally help!

    Nice work here!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Lori And Beka (BC, 11Months) #39176
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! Nice work on the serps here!

    She did a super job with the serps on sequence 1! Totally flat is a bit too hard for her (in terms of serping the line) so keep the jumps slightly angled for a few more sessions (and any session away from home, to help her generalize the skill). Then you can inch them flatter so she barely notices the change 🙂 The change was a bit too noticeable here.

    2nd video was also really strong! Finding the serp in front of a tunnel is hard, so breaking it down and back chaining a bit was great and really helped her. Keep those jump angled wide for now so she gets comfy with that and then we can flatten them out too.

    When you start on the other side of the tunnel (jump tunnel then the serp on your left side) in the 2nd half: Rather than post turn to face the tunnel, cue it and let her see a spin as you get to your left side. The post turn cues a straighter exit on the tunnel, so the repeated bek bek bek did bring her back to the jump – but a spin will cue a tighter turn so she will exit facing the jump (plus it gets you up the line sooner and more easily :)) You can also use your ‘right’ verbal for the tunnel exit there, so she hears it before she enters the tunnel.

    Nice work! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Kyla with Lennan #39175
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!
    Looking at both videos, I have a couple of ideas for you:

    He is at his best in getting the skills right when there are visual aids (like a toy placed on the line, or 2 wings on the weaves) and you are moving at a medium speed. When the aids aren’t there, and you are moving faster, the behavior breaks. So I think the main thing is to get the skills in smaller sequences where you can run, and then fade the aids.

    So for the dog walk – I think he is losing his balance a little on the up ramp (especially the first rep on the first video) and you can leave the toy out ahead as you add a lot of your running and also the various handling options… then fade the toy. Is the toy reward on a verbal cue to get it? That can help keep it as a focal point but also you can add in turns and sometimes reward the turns. You had lots of good teeter rewards, now we need to be able to build up to you running past with the skill remaining strong like it was here.

    For the weaves – how were they originally trained? I think using a training set with them slightly open will really help the entries and exits here (open as much as needed but as little as possible). Even with the wings to help, he needed you to come cue collection on the entry so an open set will help make the weave skill very independent without you needing to help the entries, and you can also trust the exits more.

    For the turns – this might be a timing question for some of them, and for others it is a discrimination question. Part of what helps the dogs turn is seeing the transition from handler acceleration to deceleration then rotation… the decel comes before the dog makes a takeoff decision so it is pretty early. At :50 you were walking the whole time, and then at 1:02 you were jogging then accelerated into the turn cue: fast swoosh forward and fast rotation, so he jumped long there. Ideally, the order of festivities would be reversed there: run hard til he is in the air over the previous jump, then decel so he sees that as he is landing: cue the jump as you decelerate then rotate and go the next direction. And for the training element if there is another jump on the line, you can turn and run the other way, and reward him for chasing you (handler focus) out of the turn 🙂

    That way he can see acceleration the whole time, rather than just on the big lines without turns.

    For the backside versus the tunnel, that is more of a verbal discrimination moment because even when you were not moving much, he was drivin to the tunnel. So definitely revisit the jump-tunnel discrimination games. Did he ever get to play the puppy came of wing wraps versus the tunnel, where the handler is running? Let me know – if he has , definitely revisit it with running now that the tunnels and lines have come up in value 🙂 If not, let me know and I will find the video 🙂 It will make a massive difference!

    When those pieces come together, course running is going to be SO EASY!!!! You will be able to run run run and he will still easily respond to turn cues.

    And sounds like the threadle wraps are going well!!! Great job!
    Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Túlka and Sandi #39174
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!

    For the lives, we have had lots of variations but in general we have found it works best when the ipad joins without sound (so there is no feedback) and the handler has the EarPods hooked to the iPhone, which is then in her pocket when she runs. That has been working really well!

    T

    in reply to: Túlka and Sandi #39173
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Exercise 3: Looking good! Because you’re using the tunnel, you can connect to her sooner (before she exits the tunnel) for the push to 3 (because she can’t see the convergence while she is in the tunnel). You did the connection really well in the actual run, so I will keep bugging you to do it in the walk through too LOL! Also in the run, she was a little wide at 3: maybe she needs the right verbal sooner: You can do the push at exit of tunnel then as soon as you see the lead change, the right verbal/physical cue to get the collection and lead change to turn to 4. The rest looked great!!

    Nice work on all of these!

    Tracy

    in reply to: Túlka and Sandi #39172
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Exercise 2: On the walk through, a couple of ideas to remember as you try to go at the same speed you will need when running her – mainly, remember the finesse spots (and be more chill LOL!!) Chill might equal a bit more decel on turns.

    For example, be careful not to block the line to the 3 backside so she can get past you. And remember to add deceleration into the rotated turns like the backside wrap on 3 and the spin turn on 6, partially to cue the collection nice and early, and partially so you can get your feet turned really easily. You had a little too much acceleration in the walk through, and it showed up in the first run where she was a little wide on 3 And had the bar down on 6.
    On the 2nd run, you pushed in too soon on 3 so she almost pushed off. Those backside wraps when we are ahead of the dog require a decent amount of chill 🙂 because we have to decel and rotate feet while still showing the wing… til the dog is past us then we can hurry up and go go go.
    On that 2nd run, you had really good decel into 6 so she read it really well! You can decel, do the FC element of the spin and move away, you don’t need to wait there as long 🙂 It is a balancing act of decelerating to cue the turn, then trusting her commitment to leave as soon as she is past you.

    Onwards to 3!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Túlka and Sandi #39171
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Exercise 1: Good for you for watching the videos on all of these! That provides a lot of insight!

    Looking at the walk through first, I think as you were moving up the line you were showing a bit of pressure to the center of the 3, so be careful of that (you were trying not to run into the pole, which is admirable :))

    I think her question about the start of the run was just that she simply didn’t see the wing up against the fence when she was starting behind or next to the tunnel entry, especially with you looking forward (not sure if the connection made a difference or if it was the position relative to the tunnel). She found the wing easily when you started her past the tunnel and looked at her.

    On the other parts of the run, she was a little wide on the tunnel exit, partially because you were quiet and partially because you were trying not to hit the pole 🙂 You can call her before entering the tunnel to help solidify the line especially in places where there is an obstruction in the handler path which is actually pretty common nowadays 🙂

    Onwards to exercise 2!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Túlka and Sandi #39170
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!
    The standard course ran well overall! A couple of ideas for you:

    On the opening line, turning her to her left at 1 sets the line to the frame, and turning her to her right would set the line to the backside of 3 better. That type of opening is getting popular lately, so be sure to look at what she would be seeing on her line when she lands, so you can choose the best path to send her to.

    And I think you can trust her backside understanding more. You can stay connected at 3 like you did, but I don’t think you need to hesitate there or use an arm cue – the extra help delayed your blind on the first run, which delayed the connection needed to cue 4, so she took the front. Things there went much better on the 2nd run where you moved through 3 very quickly! Yay!

    She got the layering on the DW nicely, you can run in closer to the frame so that you have more momentum into it when you release. Be sure to maintain the criteria on the DW – I think it morphed more and more into a RDW on each rep 🙂

    You had a little broken connection/turned shoulder too soon at :24 when she ran past the jump. Excellent job of maintaining that connection to cue the line at 1:14 on the 2nd run!

    She read the layering on the teeter well, but based on where you were when you sent her to the teeter, I am not sure you needed to layer – it might have been easier to run through with her to the teeter and the next jump. It looked almost like you needed to run back to get around the jump a bit to do the layering.

    The ending was a little hard to see with the big distance, but I think it ,looked really strong each time with the layering, threadle wrap, blind. Nice!! Very clear handling and you are getting more and more comfy with the threadle wraps each time.

    Great job!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Kathy and Buccleigh and Keltie (Shelties) #39169
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    >> This is sequence 4 and as I was reviewing it to send, I realized that I skipped jump 6. I walked it without 6 and then ran it that way. Rather than do it over right away, I thought I would send it since I have a couple of questions.

    No worries! We can totally look at this sequence without 6 🙂

    Looking at the walk through, three things that I see that can change his lines on the run:
    – there were some “closed shoulder” moments where you were pointing forward to the jump when he would be behind you, leading to a disconnection
    (:05 and :24 at 3, :09 and :28 at 5, :13 and :31 at 7) The closed shoulder is when your arm points forward to the obstacle, ahead of your body and not back to the dog, and it will change the line of your shoulders and motion, which will lead him to ask questions about the line.

    – the timing on the turns was happening when the invisible dog was over the bar or landing (based on where you were looking) which is a bit late – try to be rotated or moving away before the invisible dog takes off 🙂 Remember the WOO timing of how early the cues need to be 🙂

    – going through the box from 4 to 5, your position was too far past 4 and into the box, which will open up the line to the off course (:07 and :27 on the walk through).

    On the run:

    For 3 at :46, the closed shoulder changed your line and then your turned your feet away, so he was not sure about what you wanted. You had more motion to the jump on the 2nd run and that really helped, but definitely keep your arm back so he can see the connection.

    >> I am not sure of the name for what I did at jump 4, but the result was a wide turn after 4 going to 5. Both dogs did this and on the first run, Buccleigh almost took the 7,9 jump. That makes sense given the way my feet and body were facing there. What is a better way to handle this jump?

    4-5 is is post turn, and you ended up too deep inside the box (:53) so the dogs did think you wanted the off course line. Buccleigh ended up back jumping at :57 because he thought it was a rear cross on 5. At 1:19, you had a better line but your shoulders were both forward (the video has a good angle) so he can’t see the connection and slows down to be sure of what line you wanted. To take out the off course, you can keep your running line pretty close to the entry wing of 4, not going past it, hugging a line closer to 3. That will show him a better line to 5 without opening up the off course.

    At 7, the closed shoulder (arm pointing ahead of your body rather than back to the dog) t 1:01 so he slowed down to be sure of the line you wanted. Then you stopped and started again, so he was not sure where to be (1:04 and 1:28)

    >>Buccleigh was slower than normal. After we finished this, I took him to a different part of the yard and we did some jumps with tunnels and even some weaves. He was much more enthusiastic about that compared to running this sequence.

    I think there were a couple of factors here – he will slow down if the connection is unclear so he can get it right. He doesn’t like the stop & fix moments (like at 3 on the first run) so if the info is not clear he will slow down to be sure. So making the connection very clear and NOT stopping to fix, ever, will help him retain his speed.

    Also, he has done a lot of jumping this week (4 days of jumping videos) and I think that is just too much to be able to do at top speed. Even baby dogs should only do jumping work maybe 3 times a week, with 2 or 3 days between sequencing. He might be tired and sore, especially if there is underlying arthritis. If something hurts, he will definitely slow down to avoid unneccesary impact on his body.

    >>So, do dogs get bored repeating the same sequence? We have done this four times with variations. I am getting a vibe from him of “this, again?”. When something like this happens should I break it up with throwing some rewards maybe after the jumps he should be driving to?>>

    Yes, and no. They lose speed when there is too much stopping and fixing, so that is probably where the “this again” vibe is from. To get the most speed from the dogs at all times…. no fixing. Something goes wrong? Pretend it was 1000% correct and run run run and reward. Then fix it without him before trying again. Yes, you can throw rewards after jumps but I think then you will end up doing too many reps overall.

    >>I am thinking I would like to do this again and include Jump 6 but I would like him to be more enthusiastic.

    I would give him several days off then try it again – with no fixing 🙂 Remember that he also has some potential underlying physical thing going on that they found a little bit of on x-ray, so we need to proceed carefully to be sure he is feeling really good!

    >>In contrast, Keltie thinks this is great fun. She also has been clean on almost every run. Buccleigh hasn’t been. I have rewarded each run but maybe that’s not enough to over ride my confusing handling and the dropped bars? Is this a crazy way to be thinking?>>

    Not crazy at all. Dogs understand that dropped bars are not correct and the confusion makes him slow down.

    >>You mentioned that jumps 1 and 2 were like a tunnel. What if I try it with a tunnel instead of jumps 1 and 2?>>

    Yes, you can replace them with tunnel – but still work on increasing connection and not fixing anything – just go go go 🙂

    Nice work! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Kristie & Keiko #39168
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!
    Nice work on the walk through and the run!
    One thing to rehearse on the walk through is low arms – in the beginning as you plan your handling, your arms come up high – so keep reminding them to stay low 🙂

    Also on the wrap turn, thinking about the verbals – go on over is an extension cue for her, so you can consider using your wrap cue on 3 especially with the juicy tunnel right there. On the run, the handling made it clear as you did it with strong decel and rotation, so she really didn’t look at the off course tunnel on that first run but a matching verbal will help too!

    The run was really good and as you noted: dang tunnel right there LOL! But with that in mind:

    The jump versus tunnel discrimination moment at :59 is actually a common course trend nowadays! And that is why we are working on the jump versus tunnel verbals – you did say “over” so technically she should not have gone to the tunnel. Oopsie! And she thought hard about it on the 2nd rep too – you got your shoulders turned sooner on the 2nd rep which totally helped!

    >> I’m tempted to unwind the tunnel tomorrow and see if I can keep her focused on me at that juncture. Might be a good thing to practice.>>

    Yes, definitely do it! I think the tunnel is a great addition to the setup and if you try this sequence again: alternate cuing the tunnel with a go tunnel verbal with cuing the jump with a “here over” or her name. This is pretty much what we are seeing on course nowadays so we might as well train it since it is already set up in your field LOL!

    >> does it look to you like she veers toward me for a second ever-so-slightly between 2 and 3 in the second run? It just doesn’t look like a smooth straight line to me, and I thought I saw her do that when we were running. Perhaps it was a check-in to be sure she was supposed to keep going ahead?>>

    Yes, a little, but nothing concerning – I think you were a little sooner on the send to 3 (which is good) and rotated sooner, so she was briefly asking if perhaps it was the dog walk or if you didn’t want her to take the jump. But then it was clear that you wanted the jump, so she stayed on her line. It was good to stretch her commitment there!

    Great job! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Amy and Dora (standard poodle) #39167
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    >> Question: The reverse spin looks very similar to the throw-back. What is the difference and is there a general rule when to use one vs the other? Dora seemed to read the spin pretty well and it was easier for me than the throwback. It seems like the throwback uses more decel?

    The spin and the throwback are very similar. The term ‘reverse spin’ was popularized by OneMind Dogs, I believe so going with their definition: you would be using the dog side arm across your body as big part of the cue. The more updated definition is that the spin is a front cross-blind cross cue combo designed for better collection that a post turn, and used in cases where the spin will rotate the handler’s feet to the new direction sooner than a post turn or send.

    So with that in mind, if we freeze the video or get a photo good timing on a throwback and a spin at the dog’s commitment point… they will very much the same because the handler will be on the ‘new’ arm (finished with the FC element) before the dog takes off. The added deceling you feel with the throwback is probably the earlier rotation, and that is fine because the throwbacks are used for super tight turns.

    Looking at the timing, all of the moves (the wrap FC, the spin, and the throwback) begin with the transition from fast forward into slow forward (decel) then into the rotation – except on lead outs when you are standing still in position.

    On the video – She was reading the lines really nicely! We can work in more of the transitions so you can get collection before takeoff and tighter turns.

    Looking at the end of the video first: your last rep into the FC had the best timing and cues: you decelerated as soon as her first foot hit the ground after jump 1, and rotated before she was past you: gorgeous turn!!! Great connection!

    With the other reps of spins and FCs, you were doing the fast forward (acceleration) element then the rotation – so she committed and found the line, but didn’t collect before takeoff as the rotation was happening just before takeoff or while she was in the air. So add back the deceleration when she lands from 1, which makes the earlier rotation easier 🙂 And for the spins, you don’t need to get to the BC element of it before takeoff, just work the FC element as if you are doing a FC. Then when she is collecting for takeoff or in the air, you can do the BC element. The FC-BC element are relatively distinct so you don’t ending rushing – when we rush the spin, we end up spinning in place more than moving forward to the next line.

    Let me know if that makes sense or if I need more coffee haha! Great job here!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Amy and Dora (standard poodle) #39157
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! 
 I love the view from your agility field – so gorgeous!!!
    Also gorgeous – your blind crossed on the jump after the tunnel every.single.time. Stunning!

    >> At first, I just could not get her to turn left. She kept going to the back side of the left wing! >>

    I didn’t see any of that here, but my guess is that you pushed into her line too soon, so she read it like a backside cue. More below on setting the line from 4 to show the front of 5 on the RC.

    I watched the video in slow motion to sort out why she was having FC versus RC trouble, and I think that even though the verbals were good, the physical cues look the same.

    For example, she got the RC at :06 and 1:36… but that cue looked identical to 1:01 (for example) when you wanted the wrap to the right. And on the sends like at :33, your feet were pointing to the RC line so she RC’d. So the way the lines were set, they looked really similar except for the rep at 1:29 where you did a good transition into the right turn wrap and she had no questions.

    We can make the cues look dramatically different so she will have an easier time. The right wraps should like like 1:29 where you accelerate forward facing the wrap wing, then decel, then rotate. On the reps where you wanted the wraps but didn’t get it, you accelerated but then rotated and faced the RC wing. That decel facing the wrap wing, even for a step, makes a big difference.

    To get the RCs different, we can set the RC line a lot sooner: rather than do the blind then run forward, you can do the BC 3-4 and drive to the wing of 4 and decelerate to face the center of the bar at 5. Then as she catches up to you, accelerate towards the center of the bar and when she passes you: cut in behind her to seal the deal of the RC. That should look very different positionally and in terms of feet & line than the wrap cues, so it should answer all of her questions 🙂 Let me know if that makes sense!

    Nice work!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Kirstie And StrykR (1 year old Sheltie) #39154
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!

    Really strong session here – these are hard handling moves for the dog because small-ish hand cues have to basically override motion and wing value, and he did great!
    Yo had excellent use of the magic cookie hand to get him to come to the threadle side of the wing!!!

    When gettin the left turns underway for these, move your hand cues a bit more slowly to get him started. Left turns are harder for him, especially when he doesn’t expect the cue. He doesn’t seem to need you to slow down on the right turns though – easy peasy!

    One suggestion that will help tighten the lines into the lap and tandem turns: When starting from the tunnel, call him before he enters so he comes out looking for you and not the wing. Without the turn cue on the tunnel, he was locking onto the wing (correctly) so it took him a moment to see the hand cue.

    1:30 was hilarious – you said get it not tunnel so he did not go in the tunnel. BRILLIANT BOY!

    There was an oopsie moment at 1:41 – I think he was going really fast and you didn’t get to position to show the cue in time. As he exited, he saw you moving towards the wing so he thought you wanted the wing, then it was hard t o get the lap turn set up. No worries – great timing next rep and he turned beautifully even to the harder direction. You definitely got there sooner!

    On the last rep – 2 tandems – adding moving forward was you cue them, so he gets used to seeing these in motion (because you will want to be moving with the tandems. For now, start by just walking so he can isolate the hand cue, but I am sure you will be able to add more speed very quickly.

    Great job here!!!

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