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Hope you are having a great weekend!Min’s walk through looked great! You were moving pretty fast, and it turns out it was correct because she, too, was moving pretty fast LOL!! I don’t think you rushed the 3-4 FC. The main thing that was interesting was the 2 thigh taps you did – after the 3-4 FC and after the BC 5-6. When you ran it, you didn’t think tap 3-4 but you did 5-6. I know some folks use it as a bypass tool, but I don’t think you needed it here. Your lines were really good so she never looked off course. In fact, I think you can be a little closer to the 3-4 and 5-6 lines to get less yardage in there – as long as you FC 3-4 or BC 5-6 right on the dog’s path then run straight to the exit wing of of the next jump she should stay on her line and not push to the backside of 4 on the 3-4 line or flick away back to 4 on the 5-6 line – that can take out a stride or two which will be super fast!
The wrap on 6 was gorgeous!!!!Kaladin‘ s walk through was also good, and also compelling! He just had t join you 🙂 I liked the line you ran 3-4 in the walk and you did the tap 5-6 with him too.
On the run: I think you stepped into his line on the way to 3 a little bit as part of a rotation that was too early – so for him, yes, the 3-4 line was a little rushed. Your rotation for Min was one step later which is why she had a great line to 3. The rest looked good! I am not sure he needed the tap 5-6 either – he looked at you instead of the line. I think with him, you can also run the super tight lines 3-4 and 5-6, and as long as you move forward, I bet they don’t push away from you at all and they stay on perfect lines 🙂 His wrap at 6 also looked lovely!Let me know what you think! Great job here! And have a blast with Monica, I hear she is great!
Tracy
Hi!
I totally support the idea of resting dogs, which is why it is great for us humans to have several dogs in training 🙂 And it sounds like Stacie’s seminar was fun!!!!Both dogs did well here on these challenges!!
For Haydn:
On that first rep, you turned your shoulders and feet away too soon – but I don’t think that is why he missed the first jump 🙂 That jump is miles away for a little dude! And since ETS dogs seem to struggle with the visual processing of jumps versus handler position, the distance skills are harder. So because of his short height and the ETS, you can change the position of the jump after the tunnel: start it close (a couple of feet away) then gradually get it further and further away, inching it out to where it was here as he gets more and more confident. You can also throw the rewards sooner. As soon as he looks at the jump, throw them to landing side (rather than waiting til he takes the jump) so that the decision to move towards it is affirmed by a cookie landing on the line 🙂 We basically need to build up so much confidence that he totally trusts the verbal and does not need to know anything about handler position, so he can focus on the jump.Send 2:
He totally nailed it all here because he was confident about where the jump was. Yay! Once he was on the line to the jump after the tunnel, he easily found th next jump. On the line back to the tunnel, it was a new picture so you can build it up the way I suggested above, with the distance jump starting much closer then gradually moving back out. I think the ETS makes placing the reward less helpful (harder to see for ETS dogs) so while he did eventually find it, I think locking onto the jump itself will be the better way to build the value and commitment.Arram’s turn went really well! I liked the way you trained this with the wing nice and close, then gradually further away. This is what I have in mind for Haydn – I was thinking on a jump for Haydn, but a wing would work too! My only suggestion is to use a ‘get it’ cue for the toy, as the “yes” marker draws his focus back to you. If you use ‘get it’ after the go go go, it will strengthen the go because he will be conditioned to look forward for the reward (not back at you) – which will eventually help to add more jumps in on the Go lines 🙂
Moving the wing back to the jump with the bar was a bit hard for him in this first session, but he was able to sort it out and it will be easier in coming sessions for sure. Yay!
>> Oh, and if you are still taking requests for course challenges – bypass tunnels at distance (run the line to the off side tunnel).>>
Always taking requests! Do you mean tunnel threadles? Got any maps you can message or email to me for inspiration?
Great job here!!
TracyHi! He looked good here too!
I recognize the course as a CAMP jumpers course, which is a little above his pay grade 🙂 so be sure to be super clear about the lines, or simplify for him. And lots of rewards for the stays, especially with barking dogs around 🙂
I liked the FC and BC between 2-3! The FC and 2nd blind were especially connected and looked great. It was hard to tell what you wanted after it, so if you want the tunnel, be sure to drive all the way in with that off course jump right there.
The rear cross looked good too – if you wanted the tunnel (that’s what it looked like lol) If you wanted the jump, you would need to drive in more towards the jump, or do the RC between the 2 jumps.Great job here!
TracyWhat a good boy, running a big sequence in a new place! Yay!!!!
He read the rear really well. I bet on a different angle you will be able to put a little more pressure on the line, running to the center of the bar more. Also be sure to connect and be clear on the release, it was hard to tell if he broke the stay or was unsure about the release.Yes, the blind was a little late so coming to it after a rear will require more hustle, and also more eye contact (direct connection has saved me when I’ve been late on blinds :))
Great job!
TracyGood morning! These are going well!
Seq 2:
First run – No worries about that wide turn at the beginning, she fixed it after that and realized it was not the dog walk 🙂 You can also start her at the jump closer to the weaves, so she doesn’t see the dog walk as directly.
She did well with both the FC and the RC. I agree that the BC definitely provides the correct exit line, so see if you can get the turn verbal directional there too before she enters, so she turns tighter. On the RC rep, you can see if she will let you put more pressure on the RC line, sooner – pushing into her but giving her just enough time to get past you. That plus a verbal directional can get her turning to the left and nice & tight 🙂
>> I should have started saying it while she was in the tunnel –>>
Ideally, start saying it just before she enters, and then keep saying it – if yo start it before she enters, she has a better chance of hearing it.
Seq 3 – also went well!
Yes, on the first rep she needed more support – when you are behind her in this instances, I think the lead change away to get the jump is more dramatic so you might consider using a ‘get out’ verbal and maybe an outside arm to push her away. Go and over are ‘forward’ verbals, meaning to take what is on your line. So the ‘out’ might be worth trying as it will push her away. If you are ahead or parallel, I think your line or motion to her will get it but when you are behind, the more dramatic cues can help 🙂 You were ahead at 11 on the 2nd rep and she got it easily, and then easily found the next jump and the correct end of the tunnel. SUPER!!!>> You must have fun dreaming up some of these challenges!
Yes, it has been fun playing around with what we can show the dogs LOL! All sorts of fun trends and challenges 🙂
Great job here!
TracyHi! Hope you are having a great weekend!
This video is showing as private – can you set it to unlisted? Thanks! Looking forward to watching it 🙂
TracyGood morning!
These big courses are hard for baby dogs! You can consider breaking them into thirds as 3 mini courses to walk then run. You are doing a great job, but the mini courses might get more flow.
On the walk through – yep, that is a great plan! I bet if we handed you an experienced 4 year old dog, you would run it clean and fast. Running a youngster involves a lot of skills that the dogs may or may not have fully developed yet, so it is trickier 🙂 My only suggestion in the walk through is to look down to where she would be more, to get more connection. Really try to see InvisiblePromise each step of the way.
On the run:
Many, many fabulous pieces to this run!
A couple of ideas for you:
On the backside wrap at 2, you can leave and move forward to the tunnel sooner, as soon as she passes your feet at :53 to keep the bar up (same at 1:10 and later in the video too). That will keep the bar up (you were in her landing spot at the beginning 🙂 ) and get you to the next position more easilyThe RDW looked good! YES!! Fast, independent, and she was hitting the contact. Yay! Good layering too! She has a little trouble controlling the speed after it, she was fish-tailing a bit on the way to the frame but that will improve with experience. She was already better later in the session here!
She found the a-frame each time but not always the tunnel after it – you pulled away from tunnel 7 too soon at 1:20 but found it much better at 1:32 and 3:12 when you layered to get position but also moved forward to the tunnel. When you were pulling away at 1:20 and later at 2:58, she didn’t see the tunnel line. That is good to know, that moving forward to the tunnel is much clearer for her, even if you layer and are far away.
After the big fast lines and layering with the contacts (plus the value of the contacts) you will want to call her and insist she turn to find the boring ol’ jump LOL! when there is a contact visible that you don’t want her to drive to (1:37 and also later at 3:18). She got it the 2nd time at 1:59, so a name call will help her get it the first time.
On the jump before the weaves: Move away from the backside wrap before the weaves (2:03) sooner – same challenge as jump 2 to move away as soon as she passes you. That will help keep the bar up AND will help you set the line to the weaves – you said weaves but for one important heartbeat you moved to the tunnel so that is where she went, at warp speed 🙂
Much better moving forward to show the weaves at 3:32! Nailed it!From what I could see at this angle, the weaves looked GREAT!
For the ending line, you can isolate it and put yourself ahead to begin it, then gradually work backwards so that you can run it with her driving ahead. She was getting ahead and didn’t really know where to go. So that is something you can show her from ahead and then also we can work on getting more RCs in place in case you can’t get ahead 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>>Sprite did a lovely RC wrap in her class yesterday.
Yay!!! That is a hard skill!
>she struggled to take jumps that were near a tunnel and not just dive in.
Probably higher arousal in class 🙂 Tunnels can be more tempting when arousal is higher! You can help work her through that in calmer places by using more tugging in training and also by doing more tunnel reps to get her stimulated 🙂
The either/or training at the end was great! She seems to have entered a “I GO FAST BIG LINES ARE SO FUN” stage and I am here for it 🙂 We want her looking at lines and enjoying the speed! She was also looking at the dog walk, even though the full dog walk probably doesn’t even have a ton of value yet. LOL!!! Good girl. We MUCH prefer a dog that drives lines passionately and with big speed over a dog that goes slowly and has a ton of refusals. So you are seeing the passion and that is great! Little drills like this will massage the scoping more towards the lines you want, while maintaining the speed and joy 🙂 Don’t worry at all if she is a bit wide while she is working through this – we know she can turn, and her turn skills will return when she fully knows where to focus. This is an adolescent stage of development and it is actually very fun 🙂
Serps are looking good too!! Nice job adding in your verbals!
>>She’s launching a bit, but I’m too far away from the serp jump. Angles aren’t exactly the same as your set up as I had to work with what was in the yard.>>
Yes, the bigger striding was her jumping towards your line, so it is more about the line and setup than launching in the jumping.
On the tighter serp exit where you pushed her to the far end of the tunnel (:50 and :59), you would need to be a bit more on takeoff side and we might even need to ‘work’ that exit to get more collection (meaning decelerate a bit and ask for more) but I don’t see a need for that now – she is working her body so nicely that I want her to continue sorting things out. She was already sorting it out at 1:11!
She was actually hilarious at :54 when the angle of the jump was flat (surprised, perhaps?) and she took a look at it… and said ‘no thanks’ hahaha! That is normal to see baby dogs run past that jump when they are going fast. You helped a little more at 1:05 and she fixed it – it also shows the enormity of the effort on serp lines for the dogs, she really had to work her body! And she sorted it out and nailed it at 1:15! Good girlie!!!!
Great job here! I am seeing her driving lines and going fast while also considering her jumping and body awareness (thoughtful in drive) and I am seeing you giving clear, connected cues while also running fast to show the lines.
Have you considered any NFC/FEO runs for her in the fall? Maybe all of us MaxPupper types can meet and do NFC together somewhere 🙂
Great job!
TracyGood morning!
I think she looked brilliant on both!!! The girl can run fast AND turn!!!! 16 inch bars look like no problem at all.
Both reps looked good – I liked the turn at 2 slightly better on the 2nd rep where you wrapped her to her left, because you were basically standing still at 3. On the 1st rep, you moved into position at 3 and that forward motion sent her a little wider over 2. That might be what you felt as being late? The spin moves on both sides looked great! You did a spin on the right turn side to put her on your left – she read it well and knew to come to the other end of the tunnel. The other option there is to FC and not spin, so she exits 3 on your right – that can be clearer when there is an off course tunnel right there (but she did not appear to look off course when you did the spin, and that is FABULOUS!)
>>I can’t tell which one was faster because I don’t have the program that times it.
I timed it to compare by slowing the video down – even though the right turn looks less smooth, there is more extension overall and it is a bit faster.
Great job here!!!
TracyHi!
The walk through looked strong here! Since jump 3 is an “out”, try to plan to be ahead of him so you can show the line. That would mean sending to the start wing from a bit further away to get ahead on the line.That wad what caused the bar on the first run: you were parallel to him as he was making a takeoff decision for 2, and the acceleration and line told him to jump in extension on his right lead. When you pushed in for the out, he was over the bar and dropped it trying to adjust.
The rest looked good!
On the 2nd run, he peeled off 3 at the last minute because you dropped your arm and turned away – I don’t think he stumbled, I think he was trying to figure out the line. So yes, it falls into the one more step category 🙂
Keeping your arms lower will help this too, because he will see the line longer (the high arms tend to change the line of our shoulders and pull the dogs off the line).
This went well! Onwards to sequence 4 🙂 have fun!
TracyHi!
This is looking good! Rewarding on the line definitely helped her! Plus, your motion and verbals were all good too 🙂 My only suggestion is to reward when she is furthest from you, as much as possible 🙂 so rather than reward after the tunnel, try to get the reward in after the jump before the tunnel. That will really solidify the distance skills (the tunnel is the easy part, plus rewarding after it rewards drive towards you, not drive away).Great job! Onwards to the next sequences!
TracyGood morning! Your fence looks AWESOME!
Kaladin:
>>I may have jump 3 a bit further over than it should be, but I was getting wide-ish turns on the wrap.>>
It is was the transition, not the set up 🙂 You had a super fast connected walk through, but no transition into decel and turn in the walk through – so when you ran it the first time, the cues were late (he was about a stride from takeoff and that is a little late so most of the turning was on landing
Then you can run towards 4 more (you added. That in the 2nd walk through. And in the 2nd run, you added the transition into decel at just the right moment (landing from 2)
So if you freeze the video at his takeoff points at :27 and :44, you will see that you are rotated and moving away on them both… but the turn at :44 was much better because the decel is such a powerful cue. Same at :53 – so nice! And running in a little more to 4 made it all perfect 🙂
>>Tightest wrap was when I somehow managed to step on the edge of my shoe and almost fell over. (I’m in Liz Joyce’s agility fitness class and clearly can’t think about footwork on a lateral decel while running a dog)
If stepping on your own shoe gets such gorgeous turns, keep it. HA! Kidding! My tightest turns have been when I fall on my butt LOL!
On Min’s run – the walk through it insightful! It was a goldilocks moment: not enough info on the first run, too much too soon on the 2nd run.
You did have some decel but based on where you were looking, it was late at :05 (your invisible dog was already passed you and nearing the jump, so probably had already made a takeoff decision). That is how you ran ti the first time, so the turn was a little wide.
On the 2nd run, you were decelerating as she was over 2 and looking ahead (she is watching you there, the decel plus disconnection caused the question at :39) so she didn’t commit. The last rep was just right – you were more connection and let her land form 2 before decelerating – and her commitment and turn looked great 🙂
Fortunately, her timing and Kaladin’s timing are basically the same, so you can lock into one timing rather than having to make big adjustments for each dog. They both looked great!
Nice work here, let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
>>River is definitely the worst at this out of my three dogs;
I think you were accidentally making this too hard, with the verbal being pretty much the opposite of what she was seeing in terms of position and body cues. You were leaning over her and the leaning was putting the body cue to the wrong obstacle, which also happened to be on the side closer to her. So she was having some questions. So then to get it right, you faced the correct obstacle more, which solidifies the physical cue but not necessarily the verbal. She got plenty of it correct, but still a few too many failures. So, take all of the physical cue out and just sit 🙂 She can be between your knees 🙂 And if she has trouble moving away to an obstacle when you are seated work that individually on one obstacle (not both) til she has it, then you can go back for both.
If she is wrong, no worries, use a reset cookie to keep the value of trying really high because it is a super hard game.
>>River’s shoulder x-ray was clear. No shoulder, elbow, or wrist issues. Now we can get a referral for rehab.>>
Such great news!!! YAY!!! Onwards to a soft tissue person. Does Leslie Woodcock still practice or has she retired?
Nice work here! Keep me posted!
TracyHi!
Here are some ideas:
On course 1 – stay closer to 2 than normal, then as she drives ahead to 3-4-5, throw the ball on the landing side of 4 (you can even be peeling away to layer 10)
Other good spots to reward:
Go closer to 8 than normal, so you can reward her driving away to 10 (and if she ends up in the off course tunnel, reward, because you were probably late LOL!)I would take out the backside at 14, make it a front side, and reward the 13-14 line same as you rewarded 3-4 (you will be behind there, from getting the backside at 12)
Then go in closer to the exit of 17, pick her up, and reward for driving ahead 18-19-20, ideally between 19-20.
Course 2:
You can reward on landing of 3 as you peel away to handle on landing side of 4
Go in closer to 8, so she drives away to 9-10 (and reward if she ends up in the off course tunnel because you might have sent her there :))And then like curse 1 – go in closer to the exit of 17 and reward her driving away to 18-19 (ignore the 20 backside for now).
Let me know how it goes!
TracyGood morning!
Walk through: this was fun to watch, I could really see where she was on course based on where you were looking! I think the main thing to rehearse is going to be big connection after blinds. You were doing it on the walk through, but not as much on the run. If you exaggerate it more on the walk through, it will be clearer on the run!
And remember to practice being LOUD for the layering so it is timely – you got really quiet on the walk through, and that made the cue late in the actual run.
On the run: the opening looked really good!
You mentioned that Artie has trouble with the line after the frame – You realized that you were too far ahead on the frame so did some running in place… which totally drew her attention off the line at 1:04 for a heartbeat after the frame, so you pushed her back to the line and then she was a bit wide to the DW. To help her find the line smoothly, you can go in closer to the line before the a-frame so you don’t get too far ahead there
She definitely thought the angled exit of the dog walk was HARD 🙂 I totally stole it from an AKC map so we have to convince her to do it LOL! You can break it down and help by putting a target out as a focal point, so she drives down to the target as you decel to go to the position for the next jump.
After the DW, you can connect more on the BC at 1:19 – you walked it connected but did not run it connected (so more exaggerated rehearsal will help get it into your muscle memory: arms back, eyes on dog!) When that little blooper happens… keep going! Try to put the run back on the rails and not stop to reset. You changed it to a FC at 1:32 but the blind was a really good choice!
She read the layering really well! You got the verbal out sooner than you did in the walk through, but still plan to be yelling it while she is still 10-15 feet before the tunnel entry to propel her into the layering.
The flip looked good too! Nice ! And then the BC at 1:54 needed more eyes and less arm on the reconnection to get a better turn.
On Maewyn’s run – she read the opening really well too, so move away from the backside 2-3-4 sooner – you were in her landing spot (it is harder jumping her lower!) so she had t wait a bit and go around you).
You can move in closer to the 5 jump and the frame for her too – the running in place got a little head check from her as well.
She understood the dog walk exit, yay! Very nice!!
Yo can be earlier with the layering cues for her too 🙂 She does not know the flip skill as well as Artie, so you can slow down the handling for her so she sees each cue distinctly.Course 2:
The walk through is looking good in almost every way! One thing to add: You have really good speed in the walk through, but you lose connection when you go fast. So keep the speed and emphasize the connection lots more 🙂
For example, there is a camera angle at 3:40 where you finish a blind and connect with your hand but not your eyes on jump 19 .
Same thing at 3:42 on exit of FC at 20 (looking forward, not back to her. That means you will need to be thinking about and doing the connection for the first time while running her, which can sometimes be fine or sometimes lead to an error or wide turn.On the run – overall looking REALLY good! The RC at 3 in the opening looked great very effective to get the turn and keep you ahead!
She had a question about the layering 5-6-7. Strategically in terms of the handling, you can have more distance laterally away from the a-frame then your running line can be converging towards 5-6, to help keep her out on the line (you turned forward at 4:00 so she came in). Also, she needs more experience on layering, so I like your plan of breaking it down, bringing the MM, throw or place rewards, to help her understand that is it indeed a good thing to go past the dog walk there 🙂 Looks like there was a placed reward at 4:12 and that really helped! You can do that every time (or throw it) especially on the first rep of the run to help build up the skill.
A couple of bars down o the 8-9 line, possibly a bit of disconnection there so she was trying to sort out the line.
She read the layering from the tunnel under the DW to the next tunnel really well! So her layering question is mainly about passing the DW, I think.
The flip looked great! This is turning out to be a SUPER strong skill! Yay!
You got the in in nicely at the end after the DW (she took a moment to realize that the in in was indeed the release). And you got the lines and connections on the end, but she was drifting a little because the connections were delayed. So keep making them the top priority, so they are super quick and natural during the run.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
