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That is awesome!!!! Gotta love how latent learning “cements” things in the brain. Yay! She is so smart! And you might have been earlier too – either way, I am glad to hear the rear crosses are working now!
Tracy
Good morning! He really seemed to like these – he was a little squeaky and definitely very excited! He had a fabulous balance of speed and great turns. It is nice to see how well he is taking his cone wraps and transferring the skill to the wings 🙂
The front crosses all looked great here! Very clear reinforcement (do I remember correctly that “yes” is your cookie in your hand marker?) and you were almost perfect with connection – one little oopsie at 1:07 but you did the right thing and just carried on with the next rep. Yay!
For the FCs – if you can get a little more distance (at home or at the training center) you can add more of your running and also rotating sooner – it will feel weird to rotate sooner in a smaller setup because there is nowhere to go LOL!
And with more room, the spins will be more comfortable – you were doing them correctly but without a lot of room, it might have felt like you were spinning in one spot. With another 5 feet or so, you can keep moving in the spins: do a nice early FC and move away, starting the spin as he arrives as the wing but you are already nearing the next wing.
Same with t he racetracks – easy peasy, he says! Yay! So now you can add some more room so you can both move even more. Wheeeee! I know that Mother Nature is a pain in the butt and getting outside won’t happen soon, but a few more feet at home or the training center will give you more room 🙂A couple of other ideas since he is doing so well:
Add you verbal directionals!
Try a toy 🙂 When you are moving more, I think you can get some good reps in with the toys he loves – do just one or two then switch back to cookies.And, since I am looking ahead and trying to pass on info about the mistakes I have made so you don’t make them: Consider dropping the ‘yes’ marker and changing how you reinforce with food – the actual delivery at your side is fine, but the word yes sometimes gets used on course (on purpose or by accident) and if it also means ‘come get a reward’ then the dogs come off the line and come to us humans. I learned this the hard way – OOPS! So to avoid that confusion with StrykR, you can keep the “yes” marker for shaping situations that don’t look like agility. And for agility like the rocking horses, maybe move your cookie hand during the delivery and have a different marker for that (I use a ‘shhhhhh’ sound to let the dogs chase the cookie hand) or use a lotus ball or treat hugger with a ‘get it’ marker so he can drive to it. Let me know if that makes sense!!
He was a little tired by the end LOL you can hear hu breathing hard and he was going wider so you can also time it so that you do 30 seconds, then take a break, then 30 seconds, etc.
And, did you notice that his bed was almost acting like a tunnel discrimination? LOL It is super high value and was pretty close so on some of the sends, he almost went to its few times. Ha! So for now, move it a little further away but eventually we can TOTALLY use it to simulate tunnel discriminations.
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
Good job making room to do some of the games where you both get to move! The blind-cross-then-decel game looked great on reps 2 and 3 🙂 Yes, the first rep was late but what was even funnier was when you were late – watch Ella (I think) run up the stairs like OMG THAT WAS SO LATE hahaha.
Your connection looked good and she had no trouble reading the decel, so now the next step is to move to bigger spaces or longer hallways, and add in the barrel wrapping (you can see that in the handling combos).Retrieves:
I think the retrieving started really well and she was legit retrieving for the first minute, really good baby dog stuff… then she had enough. She was trying to opt out after that as you can see by the effort you made to catch her.>>so I’m thinking quit while I was ahead?
Yes! Do one or two then let her run around with it (you can add a go for a run cue). Retrieves are a control game and it gets boring for young pups if you do too many.
>>Was she even bringing it because I sort of caught her on the drive by.
For the first minute? I think she was bringing it to you based on how you didn’t have to work hard to get it and how she was decelerating near you. After :1:20? Yup! You were catching her on the drive by so she was working harder to get past you, faster. That is why you can add in letting her run around with it, so she doesn’t think the game is all about getting the toy past the momma as fast as possible.
>>And do we just keep it under super wraps every time I try a new space or a new toy or her arousal state?
I think keeping it too under wraps will make her less interested in the game. Yes, a short session in a corner here and there is good. But you can also make it a high action game – tie the toy to a long rope and let her chase you with it. Or train other things with the toy on the rope, so the retrieve gets built in to those as well – lots of action and fun!
Nice work here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
Great job adding the toy play and leash at the beginning – it really helps to develop the mechanics and habits that will carry Ronan to the line when he starts trialing! Having the other dogs out and about as helpers also adds in a nice layer of distraction but he didn’t seem to have any trouble with that, he is probably used to it LOL!)These were really good sessions here with both of you!
He has a nice stay which really helps 🙂 I am sure you are rewarding it but here is my reminder that I send to everyone: keep rewarding it.He did well with his commitments on each rep here, I think he only had one question about it when Karena dropped her arm a bit too early. You fixed that on the next rep by holding the send arm until he was almost at the wing, which really helps for now. As he gets used to this type of lead out, you will be able to drop that arm sooner like you wanted to here and start crosses nice and early too.
Another thing that will help you be able to drop your arm after the send and move away sooner is to change your lead out position slightly. You were lateral – just far enough away to be challenging but not so far that he struggles. Now you can lead out all the way parallel to the wing – it looks like you were both stopping a bit short of it so he had to go past you to commit. By being parallel to it, your position helps set the line and you can start leaving sooner.
Kiwi the Pap was helpful in showing the line for the position – if you look at Kiwi starting at about 1:59, he moved to the line I am talking about LOL! He was sitting closer then moved over at about 2:00 and look at where Kiwi is sitting on the right side of the screen – it looks like he put himself on the exact line parallel to the wing (thanks, Kiwi!!!) That is the line you will want to lead out to, and rotate to face the wing so yo can step to it.
Now, Kiwi was really far away, so don’t start all the way over there, so be on that parallel line but maybe 6 feet away to start then build up to 10 then eventually you will get to the Kiwi spot 🙂Great job here! Let me know what you think and please give Kiwi some extra treats for his help here LOL!
Tracy
Good morning!
This session went really well! The long lead out definitely got the center-of-the-bar extension to help contrast with the collection and she seemed happy with the rewards for the stays 🙂 It might have been new and surprising but she was on board with it 🙂
She was also getting the hang of the decels – I am mainly looking for what the dog does in front of the bar (especially in comparison to the extensions) and she was totally changing her striding to collect and turn. Yes, you were a far enough over on the bar that she was shaping her line a little on the turn but that also might have been that you were sideways (feet pointing to the other end of the bump). Try it with you facing forward more and see if she drives in closer to where the wing meets the bump – and if she still shapes her turn, then you can move over so she sees more of the wing in hopes we can convince her to get a little closer to the edge of the bump on the turn side.
She seemed to like the moving reward too (not surprising :)) so you can build that in too!
Great job here!!!
TracyHi!
We do add rear crosses in the next session, but for now – try being sooner so that she sees almost the entire rear cross before she goes into the tunnel. Since her tunnel commitment is good, you can start her pretty far back with the wing wrap. Start putting that rear cross ‘pressure’ on her line just after she exits the wrap, getting closer to her. When she is about 6 feet from the tunnel, you should crossing behind her. It will feel early but that is the timing she will need on course too when she is all grown up 🙂 If she does not commit to the tunnel, you can place the reward on the other end of the tunnel (on a slight turn in the correct direction) to help her.And yes definitely feel free to post a video. It is possible that you are perfectly on time and Dora has a different question 🙂
TracyHi!
Nice work on the videos!
Rocking horses – Her commitment is looking stronger and stronger here! Yay! Great job adding your verbals too. This was a fun session! Two little details:
She left to investigate a distraction right at the beginning – so you can try to add a little porridge heating (some tricks and tugging) as you bring her into the start of the game, to help her be fully engaged before the first rep. You had great tugging, but getting the tricks involved will help you know if she is ready for the game or not 🙂
Her only real question in this session was whether to go to the barrel or take the toy when it was in the hand nearest her. So, you can clarify when the toy is available by aadding the marker for the toy that specifically says “now come grab the toy” so she knows when to get it or not. I think you did say get it at one point, but I think that gets used for thing you throw – so something different will really clarify things for her. I use “bite”, some folks say “strike”, to give you ideas 🙂
Tunnel rocking horses are going well! She was very into the toy!
A couple of things about the toy:
>> I did not have toy in the wrong place>>
it was not in the wrong place, she just doesn’t know when it is available as a reinforcement or not 🙂 Adding the marker words will really help her, because that clarifies that the toy is not available until she hears the magic word.
You can have a second toy to help her come back to you, rather than take herself on victory laps between reps 🙂
In between reps:
At :38, you can help her be more ready by taking a moment to engage her between the ‘out’ of the toy and the send to the wing. You tried to go from the out to the send, but she was not engaged. So add in a heartbeat of getting eye contact, asking her if she is ready… then send her to the wing.On the left turns into the tunnel – I think a clearer transition will help here too (that is your theme today, clear transitions :)) So rather than fast sends, make a *longer* transition. On most of the reps, you were feeding her a cookie to line her up then immediately sending her – which is probably too quick for her to fully process that. So, after the line up cookie, gently take her collar, say tunnel 3 or 4 or 5 times…. and then let go and see what she does. The goal is that you are not helping with body language – right now she is reading your body language, so if you are perfect she gets it. But if you are not perfect, she spins. Taking out the body language and making a longer transition should help her process the cue and turn to her left.
So for the next session, work easy angles to the left and make long transitions: priming the pump by sending her straight will really help – so start with her facing the tunnel on your right, just going straight (kind of what you did at :33) Then on your left, just going straight. Then on your right, at a slight angle for a send (not a threadle) – then on that same very slight angle – on your left so she turns away.Her line up position can be perpendicular to the tunnel entry for now, rather than parallel to it like she was here. I am sure she will have a big “A-HA!” moment then it will all be very easy 🙂
Serp on the jump:
She came in for the serp really nicely! And good position from you and good placement of reward too.>>We had a great tug session to start and then she seamed to just fizzle.
I think the food value overrode the toy here. She got a tossed cookie to start, then what *you* after you tossed the toy reward: your right hand went to your pocket which is the international sign for “COOKIES!” LOL! So she of course said “no thanks” to the toy in favor of cookies. Then you handed it to her, which affirmed her decision. So to help maintain the toy drive all the way through, you probably don’t want to mix toys and treats in the same session for now. And when you toss a toy, engage with it and be careful about reaching for cookies 🙂
>>I also have question on the next session – which class do I get to do live – it said one – so do I get to pick which one? I will be out of town on a couple. Did I read it right?>>
I believe you are in the Live working spot, which means you can work live in all of the live classes (March 8, March 22, March 29, April 12, April 26). I think the confusion maybe was choosing one of the live options – which is working in the live classes versus auditing. Sorry that it was confusing!!! If you let me know which dates you can’t come to the live class, maybe we can split the spot with someone else?
Great job on the videos! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning! It is really great that you had plenty of daylight to go outside and play!! And whoa, that panoramic photo at the beginning…. so nice!!!!
Excellent session here, Karena! Starting this without motion allows you to establish the mechanics (there is a LOT to do here) and you were great! The only question he had was at :40 – I don’t think you moved too early there in terms of stepping forward to the line, I think it was more about when you looked forward. On all the other reps, you shifted your connection really well to the landing spot and held the connection there til he was past you and basically at the jump bump. On the rep where he pulled off, you turned your head sooner, before he was full committed – which pulled him off.
The timing of the change is connection is not incorrect – but it Will probably take a few more sessions for him to let you ‘disconnect’ for the blind cross exit that early. On your very last rep, you were beginning to turn your head a little sooner and he was great!
So for the next session, start to move forward sooner but while you do that, keep your connection back to the landing spot til you see him arrive at the bump. (Yes, it will feel a little weird LOL!!!) If that goes well for a session or two, you can begin relaxing the connection and reward him for continuing to commit.Let me know if that makes sense about the connection – holding it back to the landing spot by looking behind you for now, then eventually we can add in not needing to connect. My end goal is that these youngsters will have such a depth of understanding that you can indicate with one physical and verbal cue, then disconnect and run to where you want to be next.
Great job here!!!
TracyHi!
>>And keep tossing in a few ‘catch’ rewards too<< I do that almost every rep, I just mostly cut them out of the video now to keep them shorter.>>
Perfect! Her stay is looking really good!
>>As you do add more motion, keep your shoulders/upper body frozen in serp position until after she has arrived at the MM so you don’t relax your upper body after the click. We don’t want to build the habit of the upper body turning forward at all, as that will pull her off the next serp line when she is on jumps.<< >>This is goinig to be something I need to keep working on, I thought I did better on the threadle work today while we were doing it but after watching the video I still need to do it better.>>
It is definitely going to feel WEIRD for now but it it totally worth it for the behavior to end up being very independent.
>>Week 10 – Left/Right using Pool Noodles
>>Picked up some ~4″ diam pool noodles and tried taping them to the carpet with painters tape and also angled the jumps as you suggested.>>
The setup looked good, the pool noodles are working well! The carpet is a little slippery but as long as you don’t add speed to this, it will work out well for our purposes til the snow melts.
>>I realized while watching the video that I likely should have treated this as a jump grid by either not sitting her at all or sitting her in a better position to start as she wasn’t getting consistent striding at times, but when she did it was pretty lovely. Will keep that in mind for next time we do this.>>
Yes – having her in a consistent start position will help, I think my favorite was at :49. She also got bored with it pretty fast (her striding on the left turns was not as good mainly because she was looking around, checking her phone, etc LOL) so you can tug between each rep, or start her from a gentle collar hold instead of sit or stand. That can add enough spicy-ness to it to keep her more engaged 🙂
>>Also, my reward placement seemed better on the left turns over the right turns, probably because I am very right-handed and I just automatically gravitate to using the hand for a reward which got me turning on some of those.>>
totally agree! I mean, the reward placement using your right on the right turns was not terrible, she was still turned – but the placement on the left turns was fabulous! that is mainly a planning thing: plan each rep to have the cookies in the reward hand before you send her into the minny pinny.
The threadles did go well! You had just the right amount of motion here: very little but you stayed in motion.
Question: are going to use the one-arm threadle cue (as opposed to the cross arm)? if so, you can add swinging it back as part of the cue. If you are going to use the cross arm, you can add it now.> Don’t think I held my upper body positon well enough on these, surprisingly hard not to relax on clicking that little button!>
Actually, I think you were fine! You didn’t really relax the position til after she had turned her head away and was well on her way to the MM, so the very slight change of shoulder line was not helping her go to the jump.
Since this is going well, I would now change her position slightly so she is maybe 1 foot or so over closer to the center of the bar: and show her the threadle and the serpentine in the same session. That way, she doesn’t try to Threadle.All.The.Things. haha! The verbal makes the difference, as well as your position when you release (on the entry wing for threadles, almost at the exit wing for serps). The MM stays in the same place the whole time 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
TracyGood morning!
I figured you didn’t post the video on purpose, kind of a cliffhanger. LOL!I love the flowers on the harder card on your video LOL!
He did great and now I think he can see the ‘big picture’ of where all this is going! We add the tunnel to the wings in the next class to basically teach the youngsters how to run big courses LOL!
He was great – speed, focus, and also nice tight turns when asked. I loved the courses you made up – so fun!! You both had really lovely connection throughout and you were working nicely early timing.
Be sure to add your verbals even more consistently – I think you had a ‘push’ verbal going but it matched a variety of different turns, so you can add different ones such as wrapping to the left versus wrapping to the right.And you can add more of the racetracks, where he just gets to run run 🙂 His collections on the FCs and spins looked great, you both had good timing too! And when you threw in a turn and burn here and there, he nailed it. Very cool to see!
On the harder setup in the 2nd half of the video – it was more of a racetrack setup but don’t say go 🙂 because go is fun on extension and there are turns in the racetrack. You can run more, pumping arms, rather than decelerating and sending – that will keep him on his line even better. If you want to say something, these racetrack turns fit the left/right verbals (I always feel the need to say something LOL)
2 other details to consider:
Try to only use reward markers like ‘bite’ or ‘strike’ with the toy – if you have ‘yes’ as the marker, it gets confusing when you say ‘yes’ in the sequence as praise for a job well done because he will (correctly) think it is time for the toy. This is what happened at 1:24 when he came to you even though you were still moving. I learned this the hard way with my dogs, so I have tried to eliminate “yes” as a reward marker so they don’t get confused and stay on their lines, even if I say “yeah!” for a great collection or something mid-course. If “yes” means “come get the toy”, he might start coming off his line.
And, now that he is all “game on!!!” and speeding through the tunnel – stretch it out and add more tunnel bags so it doesn’t move. We want him to feel the power of it but we don’t want him to slip or wrench a foot as it is moving.
Great job here!! He looked great and had fun, so keep adding on the crazy courses to this setup 🙂
TracyGood morning! Racetracks are a fun way to feel the wind in your hair after a busy day 🙂
She did really well here! Nice commitments from a long way away. For the racetracks, you actually can run all the way to the wings, just running the inside line compared to her outside line. You can run and pump your arms as if running a course. Decelerating to send was fine to, but it might feel more comfortable if you just ran. She seemed happy either way and was committing nicely.
>>She was a bit wide here I think. What do we do when that happens?>>
I don’t worry about it too much with baby dogs and she is doing well. Young dogs use these games to figure out how to go fast and turn 🙂
Her lines on the racetracks were perfect – they should be a little wider so she can maximize speed while still turning.
On the rotations where you felt she was wide, it was mainly because you were late with the rotation. So, if you see her wide on the FCs and the spins, you can decelerate and start the rotation sooner.
:40, for example, was timely (you were rotated before she passed you) so she was tight turning to her right there. COmpare it to the spin right after it (:44) where the rotation started later so the spin was later – so she stayed a little wider until she saw the next line.
And, tonight we add a decel game so the dogs can read the decel that comes before the rotation and be better prepared for the rotation, and therefore collect better.
She only had 2 little commitment questions, both were due to the same small handler mechanics oopsie of pointing forward and looking forward before she passed you, which caused her to see your shoulders change lines so she pulled into you.
It is a little harder to see at :18 because your back is to the camera. When she didn’t commit, you can either reward or resend rather than stop and pull the toy away . It does not appear that she was coming for the toy, it looked like she was following your hand/shoulders.It is a little easier to see at :40 -:51 where you did a decel-to-handler-moment (she was SUPER!) but then she had a hard time going back to the cone. You looked forward and pointed forward as you sent, which turned your shoulders to the other side of the cone so she came in. After the decel moment, you can connect more on the exit of that to get her back on the line.
In both of those moments, you can totally use your arm to give her a gentle swoosh forward, but keep the arm low and let your arm move just ahead of her nose, while you look at her eyes the whole time (as much as possible). Resist temptation to look for the cone or look at the cone, because that is what causes the line of your shoulders to turn and pulls her off.
These commitment sends get a lot less tricky as the dogs begin to understand the game fully 🙂 So for now, exaggerate the connection and low arm, and in the future when she is competing it won’t be as important 🙂
Great job! Let me know what you think!
TracyEasy answer… the demo dogs were not in a stay so no release is needed 🙂 same as when we did the ready dance and then the send to the prop. My dogs only need to stay if there has been a cue to stay, otherwise they get too sticky. You can also use your verbal directional because that also gives permission to start moving.
TracyI am sure the 3 barn cats provide some good training opportunities LOL! And hooray for flyball! It is really so fun.
Hi!
Lots of good work here!!!Rocking horses –
I see what you mean by the checking out. I don’t think you were uninteresting, I think the checking out was more about arousal and value. I think getting some toy play involved would really help, mainly so you can toss the rewards and not always reward from your hands. The beginning of the session went really well but rewarding with you stopping and giving cookies reduced excitement and also shifted value to your hands/being next to you and away from leaving you for the barrel. We don’t want to just toss cookies on the floor all he time all the time, so toy play would be a great option here: it will get her more excited and also you can throw the toys as rewards to the other side of the barrel, to build value for moving away from you.Minny Pinny video 1 – this was a very engaged session, she was very zippy and happy… toy play made a big difference! Yay! So definitely add the toy to the rocking horses. She was super on the minny pinny, committing in both directions and driving to the toy. My only suggestion is to line her up straight at your side before each rep – it was a little awkward for her to start facing you a bit so you can use a hand touch to line her up, or tug her into position. Eventually you will be able to use a cookie line up but I am not sure she would go back to the toy right away, and right now the toy play is more important here 🙂
The 2nd minny pinny video also looked good! She did really well finding the middle jump with it further away. You can move it out a little more now too (it doesn’t need to be much further away, maybe just another 6 inches. Her only oopsie was because of the line up, I think – at 1:07 she was not quite lined up and you sent her in, so she had the error there. Compare it to your next rep at 1:24 where you convinced her to line up 🙂 That gave you a clearer send and she was successful! So keep working to convince her to line up at your side – she seemed happy to let you tug her into position 🙂
Retrieve:
I think these bathroom play sessions are great for giving you two some one-on-one time to play with the toy being thrown. She was really good at driving to the toy, and she was basically retrieving it to you, generally 🙂 It is so much improved from the first video in the bathroom!!! I am not sure if it is a formal retrieve yet but that is fine – she is bringing it to a point where you can easily engage with her, so it is indeed a retrieve.>>Not sure where to go from here, do I just keep working this, maybe in a different room? Do I go on to the next level? I would not call here really trying to get it to me, but sometimes she came in my direction.>>
You can try several different games. Keep doing this type of play for some one-on-one time. You can also move this to different rooms. And you can incorporate toy throws into some of the games. If you think she is going to take off and run away, have the toy on a long line so you can throw it and hold the other end of the line, giving you control as you convince her to bring it towards you.
And, separately, you can shape the retrieve on other objcxt with a clicker, that is a fun shaping game!
Lap turns was went well, she definitely has the idea of turning away from you. Keep your hands nice and low, especially on the right turns. These will be even easier if you start with distance between you and her. You can leave her in a stay about 6 feet away so you can set up the lap turn and then release her. And I think she is ready for the next step, which is calling her past the prop then after the lap turn, she hits the prop going in the new direction.
Barrel wraps – I think you were wanting to do a 360 on these? You mostly had it going really well – her commitment is looking great! My only suggestion is that you move sooner: as soon as she is past you moving to and around the barrel, you can tuck in behind her and move up the line to complete the 360. You were tending to wait until she was halfway around before you moved forward, so you were a little in her way (which might be why it felt weird :))
Also, on these 360s and the rocking horses, you can totally add your verbal directionals! Her commitment is looking good, so adding the verbals will help build the understanding of those too.
Tunnels – She is showing lovely value here too! On each rep – be sure to start with a clean start: line her up, get her ready, then send. On the first rep, she was not ready, you two were just arriving near the tunnel when you said the cue and she didn’t take it. You were clearer with the start of the rep on the 2nd rep and she was great! After each rep, take the heartbeat to line her up, connect with her, then send. It was much nicer when you took her collar for a moment – that got both of you in the zone for the next rep.
And, because she seems to really love the tunnel now: you can be consistent with calling her back to your hand and reward with a cookie, to line up for the next rep -when you did that, she was great! And calling her back to you hand for a cookie will convince her to not try to go throug the tunnel on the way back.
I think she is ready for you to try the threadle side entries and add the threadle word too!
You did some barrels at the end – and she is very focused on your hands for those. So, try to send around the barrel and toss a toy to the other side when she goes around it. She learns a lot through reward placement. For example, her tunnel sends are really strong, because reward has consistently been placed out away from you, on the other end of the tunnel. I think we need ti mirror that for the barrels: tossing the reward out to the other side of them, to convince her that leaving you is the best thing on the barrels 🙂
Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
