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  • in reply to: Lori and Beka (BC, 16 wks old at class start) #29511
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning! Good work on these games!!
    Countermotion –
    She is touching the target nicely here and generally ignoring the cookie to head to the target – good girl! I think she is sometimes looking at your hand because it is right over the target a lot.

    >However, I feel ‘stuck’ at the target until she touches it, I am not sure her value for touching it will override my movement away, especially as she keeps checking my hand, presummably for a treat.>

    This is because you are in a loop that is too fast (I know I keep bugging you about this 🙂 ) because the send is immediate after the cookie reward, so she is not fully prepared to send away and you were not prepared to move for the countermotion – you need to insert the engagement into it. That moment of engagement prepares both of you so then as she is moving away from you, you can move forward. If there is not that moment of preparation, she will be at the prop immediately without you having a moment to move forward.
    Consider the engagement moment of ‘ready ready’ as part of the Antecedent of an A-B-C loop:
    A:Enagage thenSend
    B:She begins moving to the prop and when she is maybe 6 inches or less from it, you slowly move the other way, she hits it
    C:You mark and reward
    then back to A.

    you will need to start her far enough away from the prop so you can move away a little, and move away really slowly at first. Her hits were good here, it was the loop we can smooth out.
    Also, if something goes wrong, reward her! For example, at :39 she hit it the prop with her foot but I think you didn’t like your mechanics so you grabbed her collar, pulled didn’t reward, played a little smack the baby – then got mad when she got mouthy (but that was elicited by the lack of reward and you doing the hand play by her head). So the easiest thing is to just reward and reset 🙂

    Decel combo has the engagement as part of the game and it makes the cookie toss start so much cleaner! for both of you! No lost cookies and she immediately drove back to you. Plus she likes it 🙂
    When she was coming up to the pivot on your right side, she was not quite as good about decelerating and setting the bend as she was on your left side. So, on the right side, you can slow the game down and walk away and decel to a standstill as she learns to get organized for the bending – the running is too exciting for her on that side. She was much more organized when she was on your left for the decel and pivot, so you can keep moving fast on that side.

    2nd video – nice job on this one too!!
    The pivot on our right is harder here too – a :28 you ended up being far ahead and standing still, that was my favorite in terms of her deceleration and bending on your right side. Compare it to the next rep at :44, which had more running and was not as good of a decel – so for the right side, less motion will help her but you can still run on the left side, she was stronger there.
    And for the go after the pivot, add in some toys! And remember to say go or get it on those, you were quiet on some reps but it is good to add in verbals there.

    Tugging up on you looks good! Don’t have her up there too long, she is little and will fatigue and let go because it is a hard position for a baby dog – do short bursts of 3 or 4 seconds, then lower her to the floor. This will help the retrieve so definitely keep playing with it!

    Speaking of the retrieve:

    >>Ok, so I tried a few sessions of just tossing a toy (tried several) close and if she picked it up and brought it even an inch back to me and played with it. It bored her after even just one or two tries>>

    You can get her excited with other games so she is having a grand time playing – then do one rep of this boring game LOL – then back to the other stuff. We can fold it in, slowly, to make it more fun 🙂

    >>I tried adding more motion on my part to see if that was better for her. Did a couple that I didn’t video (hard in the hallway due to the corner), then I blocked a section to use and videod it. It seems to work a lot better for her to have me move away a fair bit and call her and she stays more engaged. I figure I can fade the motion over time so that I am standing still in the end.>>

    Yes, this was great! And yes, you can totally fade your motion later on (especially as she learns how fun it is to tug with her feet up on you!

    First retrieve was really good!! On the others, I think she was taking a moment to decide wher to grab the toy 🙂 Having the 2nd toy in your hand might have distracted her so try one toy in view at a time as the focal point and the other toy can be in your pocket. This was a great setup and we can add more “boring” in later 🙂

    Grear job here! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Kristie & Keiko #29508
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    >>I have no problem letting the instructors know we’re going to be avoiding doing the teeter for now. In the arena the equipment can be 80 or more feet away depending on the set up. It is that far away this week. However, I think you’re suggesting I not do the “find it” game when other dogs are running the teeter this week, correct?

    I think the find it game should be fine, relatively far and with amazing cookies – I was suggesting no games on the actual teeter.

    >> I can just leave the room when others are using the teeter.

    If you feel that she is uncomfortable, you can move further away or leave the room if she is still not comfy.

    >> Do you feel I can do the “find it” game in class with teeters if they are being used next week?

    Yes!

    >>The location of the teeter varies in the indoor setting, and is usually 25 or more feet from where we would be working. Is that too close for now?

    Probably too close – we need to unravel some history of bad luck with the noise, so start so far away that you can guarantee it is not going to have any little startle response like she did in the class when another dog went over it.

    >> When the instructor checked in with us, she felt Keiko was mouth breathing. I took her outside and we walked there for a while, having a sniff fest.

    Interesting to note the breathing! It might mean something… or not LOL!! Does Keiko know a chin rest? You can teach her to rest her chin in your hand (help reset the breathing) and also I think Control Unleashed has a game to teach the dogs to take a deep breath! Cool stuff!

    >> I know the breeder thinks I’m babying Keiko, but I think Keiko’s reactions to noise come from fear. She does startle at any sudden noise, especially when it’s behind her and she can’t tell where it’s coming from.

    Well, I like to go with the science, and the scientific literature supports working through noise stress this way, and not forcing the dog to have to deal with it in a way that is not comfortable or safe-feeling. So if that is babying – then yes, we will baby her! I have found that comforting a dog that is concerned and helping them, just like we would with people, is HIGHLY effective 🙂

    >>Keiko was in our field earlier today and chose to do the seesaw on her own. I hadn’t heard back from you at that point, so we made a little game of her 2o2o and then I threw the frisbee. She asked for this little set 3 or 4 times, then we went on to something else. Our field is mostly dirt with some grass patches here and there, and the ground is usually soft so the “bang” is very muffled. She seemed totally herself.>>

    I think the noise is more situational for her and not generalized to all teeters – so building the toolbox at home with a teeter she loves will really help!

    >>So I’ll go back to doing the bang game at home with frisbee rewards. Once she gets the hang of it, she should enjoy it. It will be interesting to see how she reacts to touching a moving end since she’s used to the low end being on the ground.

    I agree, she will love it. Start it easy, make it fun 🙂 Keep me posted!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Helen & Nuptse #29507
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    First – OMG!! Changtse is the CUTEST!!!!!!!!! Thank you for the video, it is a great way to start the morning <3 The toy play looked great :) You can make silly noises when you slap the new toy on the ground to help pair your voice to it and help get her attention too!

    >> I do not understand the meaning of the antecedent. It seems that it should mean what comes before what you would be installing.

    Sorry for any confusion! The antecedent is more of the cue for the specific behavior, so for the weaves it would be how/when/where we deliver the actual cue to weave. So the tugging/ball chasing and obstacles before he weaves are things we can do to get to the antecedent (preparing him for the antecedent/cue in terms of focus and line to the weaves), so the antecedent in the loop here in this situation is the cue to weave. Let me know if that makes better sense or if I need more coffee 🙂 More coffee is always an option!

    He looked SUPER happy to do the poles here with the reward behind him!

    You caught yourself mixing up the markers but he was reading the context 🙂 You can say “yes” after the marker, I don’t think that dilutes the moment 🙂
    Now since we don’t want him to weave every day (hard on the body!) you can generalize this concept to different behaviors (moving the treat chair further away) and to new locations (starting with the treat chair nice and close for now) with the goal of general understanding of “do the thing, reward is outside the ring” which will help him relax more – which will also improve weave performance.

    Great job here! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Jill and Levy #29506
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    >>Contraband looked AWESOME yesterday!!! I wish I had a photo from the box loaders angle of him powering down the lane to you…Breath taking.

    Thanks! I got to watch the videos last night – he was doing great on his box turn, thanks for helping with that! Now I need to teach him to power down the lane to me AND carry the ball haha!

    >>Also Give a Big THANK YOU to Nacho for putting up with Watson’s naughtiness. Maybe an extra cheese stick from me.

    Nacho says it was great fun and he is happy to eat free cheese any time LOL!

    >>Quick question Levy is now a year and I have intro him to the flyball jump. How often do you recommend I have him do a little jump work of no more than 7 inches at his age? Should I hold off a bit now that he has seen them and reintroduce later? >>

    7 inches is easy for him, maybe once or twice a week? But no need to do more for now. YOu can keep doing what you are doing with them – that is a good shaping game. And maybe a recall over 2 or 3 or 4 every now and then.

    >>When did you start Contraband?

    He just turned 2, so I probably started shaping jumps at a year and then doing rows at 15 or 16 months?

    >>I am trying not to compare as his litter mates are running the whole flyball lane now. 🙂 Operation be patient LOL

    Yeah, that is hard – doing a whole flyball lane at a year old is NOT recommended. The year old birthday is not some magical thing that says the dogs are now full grown and should do repetitive jumping behavior (especially large males).

    To give you a frame of reference about Contraband’s littermates:
    Queso (Shelly’s pup) debuted in flyball in July, I think that puts her at 21 months old when she debuted? And Shelly didn’t do a lot of work, just small pieces like she is teaching us, and it came together really fast (and amazingly well) when Queso was over 18 months old. Solo, the other blue merle pup from the litter, debuted at CanAm when he was 2. Salsa, the other girl, debuted at NRR so she was 2 years and 1 month old. Contraband and the other littermate, Helix (Emily’s dog who was there yesterday) are probably going to debut some time in early or mid-2022.

    These dogs all started doing their jumping stuff at well over a year old, maybe 15 or 16 months old. No rush!

    >>On another Note: We are struggling a bit with a toy on the ground as seen in our last session. He is a bit faster than I am and is getting the toy faster than I can and getting a little party of one. Any suggestions on how I can modify this, so he isn’t getting rewarded for getting to the toy. >>

    2 suggestions:
    teach the concept using food, and not a toy, so he has a reinforcement history of doing the behavior first and then going to the reinforcement. You can do that using the strike a pose game with an empty food bowl or manners minder if he likes that – he does the hand target behavior, then you either drop a cookie in the empty food bowl or click the MM. He will have an a-ha! moment on that, conceptually 🙂
    Then go to toy in hand, with it dangling (not on the floor) – what is his word for grabbing the toy? So as soon as he hits the hand target, use your “bite” word so he can grab the toy. Then gradually lower it to the ground…. but either have it on a leash or use a super long toy, so you can hold the other end and eliminate the party of one festivities LOL! And he if makes a mistake, no worries, just chuckle, remove the toy, try again. If he makes 2 mistakes you can reward with a really good treat in your hand while the toy in on the ground, to help him understand that the toy is not available until he hears the marker. I think I see you for puppy stuff on Sunday, so we can work specifically on that!!

    Let me know if that makes sense. See you this weekend!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Mike and Ronan (Border Collie) #29505
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! I heard about the rainy weather you are having!! Hopefully it does not last long and you are back to sunny weather 🙂

    This session went well! Having the toy so close does make it harder but this game does have a pretty massive self-control element to it so we do get some bloopers and crimes of passion for the toy 🙂 He did really well on all of it! The timing of the ‘go’ or get it as soon as he finished the barrel wrap on the FC was perfect, that gave him the best/earliest info for driving ahead to the toy. And your FCs and BCs all looked good – when you are back outside with more room to run, you can delay the BC a bit more (you’ll be further ahead) so he can make a more distinct side change.

    The decels were harder as you mentioned – partially because the GO and get its to the toy are so fun for him, and food is not as exciting 🙂 Great job working through it, showing him the food a bit and also talking to him – just as your timing of ‘go’ or ‘get it’ as he exited the barrel was useful for him, calling him to your side was super useful for him too. Using the toy was helpful but by then I think he had it figured out 🙂
    On one of the pivots, he ended up wrapping the barrel again because you were so close to it – good boy! That is not incorrect. You were a little further away on the others and you also had your hand lower and more obvious, so he did well on those. He was nice and tight on the pivots, even with the toy distraction!
    Great job here – I bet you find it even easier when you are outside, because the toy will be further away and less of a distraction.

    Tracy

    in reply to: Joan and Dellin #29504
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!
    The tunnel sending looked great! She only had one little oopsie of “GOING TOO FAST, MOM” but was great with using her body on all of the others.
    One most of them, I could clearly hear the “get it” 0 you can give that cue as soon as you see her about to enter it, as it helps cue the straight exit.
    On the threadle sends – she did really well! It looked like she had a harder time on the very last one, turning to her left (counterclockwise) so you can keep her closer to the entry on that side for now so it is not as difficult.

    Question: have you decided on your tunnel-threadle verbal? She is ready for you to add it!

    >>I was struggling with my mechanics (which way to turn), so then I ended up just working more on the decel piece and trying to focus on where I was holding the toy so she would not be launching at it.>>

    I probably should have left the walk throughs in the demo video – I totally walked through each combo a few times before trying it with the dogs LOL!!! You might need a walk through like I did 🙂

    >>It seemed like no matter what I tried to do, I ended up doing the pivot clockwise (like I had been sucked into Dellin’s vortex – she heavily prefers clockwise in herding).

    OMG it was like magic LOL!!! I mean, they looked really good! but yes, you were clock-wising it most of the time LOL! The decels looked good there (she was tighter to you, which is what we want) and she was not jumping up for the toy (yay!) You can also mix in having the toy out on the ground ahead so she gets the driving out as part of the reward for the pivot (and not the toy in the hand).

    The counterclockwise as harder for her – but only in terms of getting her to your right side, she just doesn’t want to spend time there (like at :51 and :58, where she drifted wide after the barrel wrap). Once she was on your right side, she was great! So, looking at the drifting at :51 and :58 – it is possible that she was anticipating a BC to get to your left for the clockwise pivot, because you had just done a bunch of those really well. I think she can use more Turn and Burn going counterclockwise, where you start her on your right and FC to your left, on that super tight almost-full-circle wrap and run. When she is really digging in to get to your left side on those, you can add more distance like we have in the handling combos.

    “”I promise to stop ignoring the rear crosses and get back to them 🙂””

    I will keep bugging you LOL!

    Great job here! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Lee Tansock and Sheltie Brisk #29501
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    The tandem and lap turns are looking strong so far! A couple of mechanics suggestions for you, but you can definitely move to the next steps:

    Tandems: these look really good left side to right side. Right side to left side are not as comfy. When you did left-to-right, you used 2 arms. On the right-to-left, you sometimes used two, sometimes one… be sure you decide which you want so you can show the arm cues consistently.

    One other thing that I think will get them even smoother – if you are using two hands, have a cookie in the outside hand only so he can focus on that for the turn. When he was on your right, you had cookie in your right and left hands – so he was focusing on the right hand cookie and didn’t know where to look to follow the turn.

    For this game, add in starting from a stay or cookie toss, so he is not right next to you the whole time – a little more distance will let you set up the mechanics even better.

    For the lap turns:
    These are going well too! As with the tandem turns, ask him to start from a stay or a cookie toss, and stand still as he is approaching you (don’t move backwards) – doing it with him right next to you each time got the turns started but didn’t let you have enough time to set up the mechanics fully. Be sure to keep your feet together until he is about 3 inches from your hand, then the hand and leg can move together. Your leg was moving early and sometimes the hand was coming across to the other side, so he was not always sure which to follow (like at :27).

    You can definitely add in the prop now too! Great job here!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Marie and Dice (Sheltie) #29500
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning!

    >>I have a quick question about the collar grab. I was waiting for him to look at the tunnel before I released, but if I’m understanding correctly, you want me to release whether he is focused on the tunnel or not? I’m sure he would be a much bigger fan if that than what I was doing.>>

    Correct! He has really good drive to the tunnel, the prop, the barrel… so I am not worried about his focus forward right now at all! He looks great! That way was can take a quick detour into collar-grab-love, so he doesn’t need to focus forward first. Just line him up so that it is easy to be successful, so he might need to be right in front of the tunnel to start.

    >> I don’t know if we will be able to train outside the rest of the week or not, we are expecting snow tonight, but we can work on it the best we can in the training room.

    I saw the weather reports! Ewwwwwww!!!!! I think your training room has enough space for at least the FCs 🙂

    T

    in reply to: Ruth and border collie Leo (6.5 mo when class starts) #29499
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Good morning! The internet worked nicely!!!

    Great job with the early clicks for the backing up – you got a lot of good clicks in for backing up without sticking the landing LOL!! Yay! I think he is pretty consistently offering this now, yes? So you can add your verbal cue right before he does it (I use “beep beep beep”). The reason I suggest the verbal cue is so you can fade the target. I think he is looking for the target which is creating the ‘stick the landing’ moments. So, easy fix: we fade the target so we can emphasize that it is about the backing up and not about the target. I think that will be no problem for him.

    Strike a pose is going well! Really lovely emphasis on mechanics here, you had a nice progression from food in hand on the target, to across the body, to the toy. Yay! He did really well with the in and out of hitting the target and then lining up the new direction. Food was much easier for him – you can try the food being held out on the other side of you, where the toy was, and see how he does with that (this is a good self-control game too!). Toys were more exciting and, by extension, a little harder – but he was SUPER!! At :55 he almost went to the toy first but then corrected himself and went to the target, good boy! He got praised there but not the toy – you can totally use the toy reward there too for the great decision. He slowed down a little after that and we want him to dive in to decisions 🙂 so you can reward the great ones even with the hard distractions.
    Since you already have your reward markers in place and he is doing well with the in-and-out, the next step: Toy on the ground! You might want to start with an empty food bowl then drop a treat in it, and build up to the toy on the ground. Everything else is the same: you strike a pose and don’t move til after he hits the target and goes to the reward.

    Great job here!!! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Kristie & Keiko #29484
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!

    >> If this is not the right place to talk about this problem, I understand, and you can just tell me this is not appropriate here.

    This is totally the right place! We are here to plan training and use reward to work through struggles!

    >>I am working with both instructors to try to make the seesaw positive in class.

    I think the focus in class has been operant, as in: do the teeter behavior, and we reward it. I think she needs a more classical/reflexive approach for now (see below)

    >>As you know, Keiko loves the seesaw at home and will run to it and do it several times in a row. It’s fun, and she got tons of rewards when I was treating it, so it has high value.>>

    Yes – so that gives you a picture of what is possible! Yay!

    >>I ran with a whipped cream canister, and Keiko was eager and ran well.

    Yum! I would also run up the teeter for whipped cream LOL!

    >>! Then the bad stuff. Unfortunately, she jumped off to finish the whipped cream, the instructor forgot to grab the board and the end came down on the table with a bang

    Ah, bummer 🙁 Darn it! Terrible luck in that moment.

    >> Her breeder was there (Keiko loves her first human), and wanted to try some “jollying” with Keiko as another dog ran over the seesaw. Keiko watched and took the rubbing and excited praise from the breeder, but I really felt she was still very stressed. I’m not at all sure how I feel about the “jollying” routine.>>

    Was she stressed by the interaction with the breeder, or still stressed from the teeter bang? Jollying is fine is she likes it but I personally would not have it happening while another dog is running across the teeter (more below on that) and it might make things worse.

    >> It’s an experience that has made me very sensitive to a dog’s reactions and emotions. I don’t want to coddle Keiko, but I also want her happy and doing things at her own pace.

    I think it is GREAT to be sensitive to the dos’s reactions and emotions, it is their only way to communicate!!!! The more I learn about behavior, the more I am fine to support and comfort dogs that need comfort. It works out well!

    >>We have an opportunity to do a Saturday session at the indoor facility, with the seesaw (and others). The instructor wrote to say she has some ideas to try with Keiko. I’m wondering if seesaw unhappy last night, then trying the seesaw on Thursday in the arena is enough for one week, or do we want to give Saturday a go, too?>>

    Noooooooooooooooooooo more teeters this week (Thursday or Saturday) til the stress has subsided and you have a plan. And it is great that the instructor has a plan, but hear it first before you do anything with it with Keiko, and when you do it – remember that you are working with fear so the session needs to be short and end before it looks like she wants it to end.

    So let’s plan! I vote for starting over in some ways and then building it back up.

    Background – my dog Export (he is now 16 years old) is the most sound sensitive dog that I have ever owned, and he was TERRIFIED of the teeter! He would run away if he even saw it in the vicinity. He went on to have a really high level career and a great teeter. So I have a lot of ideas for you 🙂

    It is a two-fold approach. Because this is a fear reaction and not a lack of criteria understanding, we begin with changing her emotional response to the noise. (And no other work on the teeter until this is firmly in place)

    It is straight on counterconditioning and also pattern games: another dog can be doing the teeter 30 feet away (or however far away she needs the dog to be so she doesn’t get upset) and you can be playing the ‘get it’ game with engagement installed using incredibly high value reinforcement (2 cans of whipped cream, or meatballs, or anything she likes :))

    Do super short bursts, and you keep doing it as far away as needed until she basically stops reacting to another dog banging the teeter. So for example – the other dog is running the course, you know a teeter is coming up, so you start the pattern game. And keep doing it til a few seconds after the other dog has left the teeter. She can look at the teeter or flinch at the noise, the pattern game continues no matter what. We are working on classical conditioning and not operant behavior for the teeter noise.
    Distance away from the teeter and high value food are your friends here, start as far away as needed so she recognizes there is teeter noise but not reacting to it and not worried. And don’t have her near a teeter that might bang if you can’t play this game.

    That is all that should be happening regarding the teeter in class, for now. And jollying should not be used in place of high value food reinforcements (unless she has turned into a Golden Retriever, then maybe LOL!)

    Separately, at home, I suggest adding more ‘tools’ in her tool box for the teeter, specifically the bang game followed by the ‘shhhhh’ reinforcement of the frisbee. Basically, the teeter is propped up so it is a tiny bit off the ground, you start her at the very end – she moves it, it makes noise, you do the shhh style reinforcement where the prize is moving away from the teeter.

    At home, the bang game can grow so the teeter eventually gets higher up.

    When she is happier with the teeter noise in class, we take the very beginning levels of the bang game into the class and those loud teeters (no teeter tables, as that is too loud for now). The she steps on the end of the board so it moves a little and makes the quietest noise, and the you do the shhhhhhh or get it and she can chase a meatball – she does not need to remain on the board. You do one or two, then be done with it.

    Let me know what you think!!!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Christine and Aussie Josie #29482
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!
    I am VERY glad that things are getting back to normal! Yay!

    >>>. Turn your volume down

    Ha! Nice and quiet LOL!

    She is doing really well here, superstar contacts!

    But….

    >>I’d say she is in trial mode. >>

    I don’t think she is, because she is seeing 2 things in the environment that she will not see in a trial:
    At :12, before she had to make a decision on the DW, you moved your hand to your pocket and pulled out the lotus ball. That is the international sign for “hit your position!” LOL!
    She was also good with her position at :53 and 1:07, but you had the toy in in your hand on both of those.

    So this was a good training session, but to really get things to be trial-like in a way you can transfer to the ring, you can’t reach for the reward or carry it with you. If she is really solid with these games like you had on the video, you can up the ante here:
    You can leave it outside the ring somewhere (remote reinforcement) – close enough that you can run to the reward while she waits on the contact and throw it to her.
    Or you can have it well-hidden on you, someplace you don’t normally have your toys, as long as you can guarantee you don’t move your hands to til after she hits and holds position.
    Or enlist a helper to throw it to her from outside the ring while you continue to run 🙂

    She is ready for this next step of craziness 🙂 because she looked great here! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Lee Tansock and Sheltie Brisk #29481
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Perfect! All body awareness stuff should be done slowly, which is personally hard for me because I am pretty twitchy LOL!!

    T

    in reply to: Kristin and Ronin (Min.Schnauzer) #29480
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi! Lots of good work here!

    On the sit stay video – be sure to watch his butt so he is fully sitting, I think he was only half sitting on first rep 🙂 The rest looks good! He has a good stay already, so you can add more duration to this! Bear in mind that he does not actually have to catch 🙂 Throw it towards him and definitely use easily seen treats – I think that was the hardest part of the session 🙂 Maybe tiny bit of cold white cheese? Easy to throw, easy to see!

    Tunnels – you mentioned that you have done a few more sessions, how is he doing now? He was not 100% sure about it on this video, so my first suggestion is to see if you can shorten up the tunnel so it is maybe 2 feet long – short and sweet and easy! And when he is consistently finding it, you can add the verbal and stretch it out.
    If he is now finding it consistently… name it if you haven’t done so already. Remember to hold him so you can say tunnel tunnel tunnel a few times before he moves towards it. He seems happy with the manners minder now (great job training it separately!) so keep using it 🙂 And you can add in a layer of self-control by giving him treats from your hand for walking away from the MM or cookie plate without you needing to hold his collar.

    Rear crosses on the flat:

    >>So actually the rear cross work on the flat WITHOUT prop I can’t figure out where my video went, but I swear it went way better than this! Here’s where the wheels start to fly off the training wagon. Again, without prop seemed super straightforward for him, but I didn’t feel like I knew what to do here very well.>>

    This one had the prop! It is all about mechanics – there were some really good mechanics moments here – the mechanics are separate distinct steps, almost slow – and then a couple where things got a little mushed together and moved too fast, so he was not as sure of what to do.

    The first couple of reps on the video had good mechanics! Those went well!!!
    When you were trying to show him the prop but he was more focused on your hand, 2 ideas for you:
    – if you have a treat in your turn hand: turn him and feed the treat after the turn, then indicate the prop with an empty hand
    – and, to indicate the prop, keep moving past the prop as if it is the parallel path game rather than point at it. The turn puts the pups squarely in handler focus, so the motion will get them looking at the line again.

    One other mechanics thing – at :54 you tried to turn him and indicate the prop all at the same time, so he wasn’t sure what to do. Treat them as 2 distinct cues: turn away… then you move forward past the prop. So it is like you are 2 gams in a row: turn away on the flat, then the parallel path game when he is pointing the new direction (towards the prop). Let me know if that makes sense.

    The handling combos are looking good!!! His commitment to the barrel looks really good 🙂 Before you do these with him, be sure you have the FC on the barrel warmed up – you did a FC on the 1st rep, a post turn on the 2nd rep, a couple of spin reps, then a FC at the end LOL! So, practice the FC with eye contact on the new side so he knows where to be. I think that is what was feeling so weird – all the different handling choices 🙂

    At 1:32 – you said yes get it, he was right and it was hilarious when you realized it LOL!! Good boy 🙂

    This is also a good game for self-control: don’t grab his collar and pull him away from the toy on the ground, try to teach him to walk with you! You can reward with a second toy for moving with you, or a cookie (as long as he will still go for the toy on the ground if you use cookies).

    One other little detail: At 1:58 it looked like you wanted a FC but he ended up on the other side of you – more direct eye contact as you finish the FC will get him to the correct side.

    Great job here!! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Lee Tansock and Sheltie Brisk #29478
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi again!
    Cavalettis are going well! (is that Rachel in the background? Love her! LOL!) I bet you can add another inch between them to get a little more extension in the trot.

    As with the other body awareness games… slooooooow down 🙂 You were going so fast here that things come off the rails a bit and he ends up watching you a bit. To keep him looking straight, you can move the bowls a little further away so he trots out a few feet to the bowl (and you can then drop the treat in or toss it, rather than trying to get there before him). The trotting is looking balanced so we don’t want to have him start to rush!

    Do you have another cavaletti or two? There were three here and I think he can do 4 or 5 (or 6!)

    Great job here! Let me know what you think!
    Tracy

    in reply to: Lee Tansock and Sheltie Brisk #29477
    Tracy Sklenar
    Keymaster

    Hi!
    I love his toy play here! So definitely keep playing like with you sitting on the ground – but don’t do it repeatedly with the leg bumps 🙂 I think chasing the toy once around maybe twice around is fine, because he stays tight and balanced – but he starts to fling after that, goes wide, falls over your leg or his feet. Since this is all about body awareness – don’t encourage that loss of body awareness, so limit the number of go-rounds and make sure the toy is not in his mouth as he goes across your legs (he was not thinking about body awareness there). You can also work with food separately too!
    You can do one or two go-rounds with the toy, then just play on the flat. The let him take a breath… and do it the other direction.
    Nice work!
    Tracy

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