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Hi Tracy
<When adding the FC on the middle wing, you don’t need to send to the first wing and send again to the middle wing – you can keep moving for the first wing (letting motion/connection be the cue). Then as she is arriving at the first wing, decel/send to the 2nd wing so you can also FC and move away sooner. >
<Because she continues to pick up speed (yay!) feel free to spread the wings out more so you actually have an extra heartbeat to try to get the timing 🙂 It will be easier when she is jumping because you’ll have a heartbeat of hang time 🙂>
Ahh, ok, will adjust those things for another session. I was wondering if I should have just added more distance from the start for her, I dialed it back after I initially set it up bigger. I don’t really need any more speed right now – LOL!
Week 2 – Lazy Game Pt 2 and Pt 3
Yep, need to work on not using arms so much on the sends – thinking about the send a bit too much and they got HIGH – LOL!
I skipped the walking portion of the loop as I know she has a lot of value for the loop from the other work.
Week 2 – Timing and Connection
Surprise! (not really) going to have to move up my timing on stuff like this for now – way late trying to say the verbal on landing from the previous obstacle. Probably needs to be on the take off side for now on these distances and jump height (4″). Only did 2 reps in either direction, been raining off and on and tried to fit in between but went with it when it started to rain a bit harder. At least she doesn’t seem to care.
Oh, speaking of height – do you think we should stick with 4″ or move to 6″??
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
<Today’s concept transfers are definitely sequence work so we don’t want to do more than 4 reps on each >
When you say 4 reps is that including the bits of backchaining or practising the key move before trying the whole sequence? While I did a bit of that today during the session I would do it again when I do the Wee2 stuff for ‘real’
Week 1 – One Step Sends
Did this one tonight. A little backward as I did some of the stuff from the live session that used the sends during the session.
She did well on this. I was late here and there. We did do a lot of play with the toys between reps and she was coming back faster – only one real loopy run with the toy happened.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
Ended up doing the ‘advanced’ type session before I saw your response as she did do this quite well I thought.
I was trying to keep the session short due to temps climbing or I would’ve played more with her between reps. did the same in the video below. Will play more in future sessions and do more of the play with the second toy when she comes back. She does pretty good bringing the toy to me on straight fetch games now and even starting to (sort of) give it to me.
>This is more of a skills session, so the full session can be taped, 2 or 3 minutes is fine. The handling stuff will be more obvious starting tomorrow 🙂<
Ahh, it was labelled concept transfer in the list so I figured it worked as you had explained in the guidelines. So the guidelines description is how it will work going forward?
Week 1 – Lazy Game – Adv (I think anyways).
Only has the first and last in it pinwheel in it. The middle section was doing the other direction and pretty much looked the same though.
I am thinking we want to stretch out the distance to the top jump a lot more over time.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
Week 1 – lazy Game – Baby – with toy
Have tried with treats, too hard to find in the grass and nto very interesting right now with her being in season. So did with a toy today. Wasn’t sure what constitutes a rep on something like this game so settled on one full pinwheel. So included 1st and last full pinwheel and one in middle. Still likes to play with the toys on stuff like this so it is interesting to do plus the whole season thing. It is what it is. Hopefully only 2 weeks left max on that.
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Lori
Hi Tracy
Well, thinking right now we might be skipping anything involving food as a reward for a bit.
Pretty sure she is coming into her first season and it’s looking like she is one of the females that goes off food (my first experience with that). She hasn’t been interested in her breakfast or dinner for a couple of days (breakfast for longer). Treats are ok but not hugely exciting, even the good stuff she usually likes a lot.
So no point doing anything that means rewarding with food as it isn’t going to be a reward for her.
Seriously crappy timing.
Sigh.
Lori
Hi
>Yes, a wing jump or chair is fine, as long as they are solid and will hold the teeter. And the lower teeter is fine too.<
I have a bunch of the clip and go wings and they work pretty well, and she isn’t terribly heavy either.
<use incredibly high value rewards with only one or two reps per session.>
that is always an issue with this non-foodie BC, nothing is crazy high value, and it seems like if it might be she wants to play with it.
Lori
Hi Tracy
Question about the week one games – what are you using as treats that the dogs are finding them so easily in the grass?
On the teeter game – I have nothing that I can use to prop up a full height teeter so I assume lower is ok? Like a wing jump like I have seen used?
Also, Beka has shown some concern about heights at the vet on the exam table, we worked on that and she is pretty good now, but I won’t be surpised if she shows some issues with the height of the teeter. Would it also be ok to start doing this much lower – for example to an agility table instead – and raise it up from there?
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Lori
HI Tracy
<if all the verbals are the same volume and style of delivery, the training of the verbals to fluency is much harder.>
Will try just not sure that I will be very successful, especially running a course.
<So getting right onto the diagonal and moving towards the center of the bar will help set the line a lot sooner>
hmm, I have to wonder if the angle of where the camera was is throwing things off. It wasn’t dead center of the jump pointing at the wing, it was off to the side some. I was running pretty straight to the center of the jump before cutting across. I will put a leash down to make sure next time.
<So getting right onto the diagonal and moving towards the center of the bar will help set the line a lot sooner (and don’t throw til after you see hre head turn). If she is struggling, you can place a toy out on the landing spot but you still will want to get right on the RC diagonal.>
Hadn’t really noticed that, will try to be more aware of that. I was considering pulling the TnT out to use, especially for the left turns.
Have always hated teaching RCs. It is always a struggle as I have always been way too late.
<I know a lot of people do use that ‘check mark’ arm cue to send the dogs back out, but I recommend you do not cue her to get into the tunnel by flicking your arm back out – the verbal and arm *are* the cue to go to the tunnel entry, and if she waits for you to flick her out to it, then you have one more thing you have to time. Plus, if you are behind her or not that close, having to flick her back out becomes very challenging. >
Hmm, that makes sense but my question would be how is that different from a regular threadle for a jump say, or since it’s a threadle it should be the same, which would make sense.
And in case you see this that get me wondering about something else – tandem turns – I was looking at the turn away video again and you mention using 2 hands but in the video use use one with contraband and do the flick away with it? You also mention it will likely involve the threadle verbal depending on the circumstance. So how is the ‘regular’ threadle, tunnel threadle and tandem turn different? They are starting to strike me as not being really different and the hand signals seem to be pretty much the same?
Lori
Hi Tracy
<So for the left/ right versus wraps, visualize a jump bar there (the dog would be approaching the jump bar straight as they are heading to the wing>
<Massive collection, head turning a lot, needing to come back around the wing immediately? Wrap verbals.>Yep, I have been trying to do that when considering the verbal to use. When doing the figure 8 type turns between the wings she has to collect and turn even tighter than a regular wrap where she goes around the width of the wing so now thinking it should be a wrap verbal and not a left right at all.
<The ‘forward’ verbals like Go and tunnels should be louder and longer: GOOOOO GOOOOOOO and TUNNEL TUNNNNNNELLLLL. The wraps should be very short and very quiet, almost whispered 🙂 And the soft turn verbals should be medium volume and medium length (which is why I make mine sound like questions, so I can’t yell them LOL!)>
LOL!!! This is highly unlikely to happen in any significant way at least. You play flyball now – you know there are some people that are really loud – well that is me in spades. It is very hard for me to seriously adjust my loudness, especially when running. I will try but thinking I won’t be terribly successful.
<For the patterning and tunneling even when you rotated like at 1:13 and 1:21, I would revisit the wing/tunnel proofing game now that everything is outside AND more exciting>
Ahh, will do that!
<She had a bit of a question at 1:32 – doing the soft right while accelerating into the bind was hard for her to read (we want the verbals and physical cues to match at this stage) so she was a bit wide – a decel and even a FC would work better for a tighter tunnel exit there.>
I reviewed the this part of the video – the ‘ri’ into the tunnel was to get a right turn out of the tunnel, I switched to ‘bye’ as she was exitting the tunnel as that is my backside command when it is just coming back across the jump plane and not doing a 360 wrap – but now you have me wondering if I shouldn’t use a different word for that one since they do sound a lot alike. I use ‘push’ with Rayven because ‘bye’ puts Ray seriously over her arousal threshold.
<Nice job getting the blinds in to change sides before the jump bump! She was hustling which makes it harder, but you got the connections to her and she was both able to pick up the new side AND get committed to the jump after it as you turned and left – this is VERY EXCITING!!! Super cool! It will be easier when bars come into the picture because you will have more time, and she will have an easier time applying jumping skills to all of this because she has a lot of understanding of the handling already. Hooray!>
Exciting and sort of scary – I think she really likes doing the wraps – you’ll see a bit of that in the videos below and some of my issues – it seems pretty easy to push her off lines to backsides (to the left at least)…..
Week 4 – Wind in the Hair Pt 2:
Rear Crosses –
Have done a few sessions, left has been really difficult but seems to be getting a bit better. Right went really well immediately.
Back Sides –
I think she really likes the wraps (LOL!). I messed up my first backside line and pushed her way wide but she managed it.
Week 5 – Concept Transfer – Rear Crosses
Did this tonight, it did not go well at all, tried several things to get it to work with no success to the right. tried the left since she kept turning that way, but kept pushing around the back of the jump, adjusted the tunnel exit a bit and got a left turn.
Not sure how to help her with this? Work on the wind in the hair version for longer before trying again??
Edited to add in what we did today.
week 7 – Tunnel Threadles
Haven’t done anything with these since the first game early on. Decided to steal your word for it as it occurred to me that my word ‘me’ is way too similar to ‘le’ and since we only had the one game using it should be easy to adjust.
Did a quick refresher of just sitting her and doing the threadle to introduce the new word. Then did the baby and advanced. She did pretty great. I am off on timing of switching the verbal from the wrap to the threadle. I did a couple not too badly.
Thanks for a fun course and looking forward to MaxPup 3!
Lori
Thank you!
I have one from today I need to edit and post and was planning on another tomorrow – Rain messed us up for a couple of days this week.
Lori
Hi Tracy
Just checking – in my thread you mentioned that the last day for videos is May 20th?
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
<When adding all of these words with a new pup, do a 1:1 ratio of run it without the dog (with the correct verbals) then run it with the dog (with correct verbals). The errors happen when we run it with the dog each time and don’t practice the verbals.>
Good idea. I applied that today on the Week 4 Diamond set up and that went a lot better, but those distances are still pretty small so all those verbals are hard to get in. LOL!
<She is very very responsive to the blinds you did at the end at 3:16 and 3:31. But, do them a lot sooner 🙂 You started them after she reached the wing and ideally the blind would be finished by them. So, when you see her approx halfway between the tunnel and the wing, start the blind – it provides her a picture of what the timing will be and also challenges her to maintain commitment. And keeping your arms in tight to your ribs will help you be really quick with the connection on the new side of the blind, which really helps keep it nice and tight too.>
She did fab to come in on those given how late I was on them. I tried to do them earlier on the Diamond setup, I was successful to a point but I can probably be a little earlier.
Week 4 – Diamond.
So here it is, Did the baby part late morning and the advanced a few hours later. Did the racetracks between each of the longer sequences as balance. The first racetrack took a bit of sorting out on my part as it was the first time doing it on any set up this big and I wasn’t sure how much to push or hold back a bit with her. The first time she came out of the tunnel like I was tossing the toy for her – LOL!
We struggled with the initial work requiring the figure 8’s in the baby. She kept wanting to go to the tunnel, probably some leftover patterning from the last session and I also need to rethink the appropriate verbal to use where. I saw on the video you were using left and right here but I am no longer sure about that, but also not sure the wrap verbals (check and dig) are right either since it isn’t really a wrap on these figure 8 type shapes. Also thinking that the turns around the wing on my le/ri commands to go to the tunnel versus those to get the figure 8 type shape are confusing for her (and me) although I know that my position/motion on those (go to the tunnel vs tight wrap back) SHOULD help differentiate it all for her.
I am basically uncertain about which of these verbals I should use where on these different entrances and exits.
On one sequence I was way too early on my Le command (did at the entrance to the tunnel instead of on the exit) and she seemed to actually comme in some on exiting the tunnel.
Baby –
Advanced –
One additional comment here – OMG! She was fabulous on the sequence with the 360 wing wrap after the blind! Totally surprised me that we got it in both directions.
And YAY! She gets to see you in July! So excited!
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
Redid the Tunnel Exit work we did after reading your comments and tried to match things up better. It went much better and we added in the parts of the Baby section that we didn’t do in the last one. My verbals, especially left (OMG!), were a mess today – but it’s just one session….
The video is two sessions we did today combined together. For a while the trucks and construction vehicles were moving around in the hydro yard next door and she was quite distracted by that – I held her collar for her setups then.
thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
<This will depend on the dog and how she naturally exits the tunnels – if she exits the tunnels looking straight down the line naturally, you probably don’t need the go 🙂 If she is more likely to turn and look at you? Then yes, add the Go.>
Ahh, that makes sense. So it will likely be a bit of time before I figure that out for her.
<I think you can add in the Rear Cross game to this one too!>
Didn’t see rear crosses mentioned in the description for this one but will do. We haven’t gotten back to the initial rear cross work with the jump bump from earlier in the course as I wanted to redo it outside with the room it needs. Will redo that first before adding it in other set ups.
Week 2 – Tunnel Exits
So we tried the set up for the baby part today. Only ended up doing seq 1 (turn) and 2 (straight) in each direction as the turns were harder to get. Not surprising given we did a few sessions of work on going straight out of the tunnel to eventually get the wing wrap at a closer distance. Balancing back will take a bit. On the left after the first 2 errors I removed the one wing and worked on the turn without that distraction, took a bit (this was the direction we did most straight work in). Other direction wasn’t as hard to get a turn out of the tunnel.
yes, forgot to repeat my ‘go’ when I should’ve. And was late a lot, had to reduce ‘tunnel’ to ‘tunn’, got a bit quicker towards the end.
Thanks
Lori
Hi Tracy
We have worked the tunnel exit game some but haven’t videoed it yet. She has no trouble doing the turns out of the tunnel, at least without the straight exit – LOL! Working on the straight out of the tunnel in order to get the wrap around the wing ahead. Getting the wrap on the wing is taking a bit, she had to figure out the tight turns into the other end of the straight tunnel so I could be up to help her with the wraps even with the wing only 6-8′ beyond the tunnel. Will video it next time we do it just so you can see where we are.
One question with the wing wrap straight out of the tunnel – Would it be the go command before she enters the tunnel and then the wrap verbal while she is in the tunnel (or exiting)? that is what I have been trying to do but wondering.
Week 3 – Find the Jump
Decided to work on this game today for something different. she had fun with this one. I am again late with my go verbal entering the tunnel, started to get better towards the end of our second session tonight where I added distance from the tunnel to the jump. First session jump was about 12′-ish out in the evening session it was closer to 22-25′. My lateral lines don’t really look all that lateral in the video but I was more lateral on those then it looks. I did one rep at the end hanging out at the tunnel so she could really get ahead, forgot on the other side.
She is figuring out her striding to the jump bunp on the various reps, changing it some.
Thanks
Lori
