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>Interestingly enough both dogs read my front wrap as a rear cross. I believe I opened my chest to the opposite wing instead of turning my shoulders more towards the wrap wing before presenting my arm across my body. Did anyone else have this issue? I could take a peek at their video.
Yes, that is actually a common blooper! It happens when we run had then rotate for the front cross… so we accidentally step right toward the RC line. If you decelerate facing forward to cue collection then rotate, the accidental RCs go away 🙂
I think so far *everyone* has seen this happen 🙂 Check out Julie with Lift & Kaladin if you want to see video, she worked through it real well!
Tracy
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>The get-out went well, I thought. Once he got the idea, he stayed in or got out and stayed out. At least as far as the barn would let him.>
Super interesting session! He was magnetically drawn to the out jump even on the first rep. Running past it was HARD – I am glad we are working on it because running past jumps in boxes is a core skill in AKC.
It went better when you added the wrap wing before it because he could see the line better and he was definitely getting the idea! Try not to run towards the get out jump at all, to get even more distance on the skill. And I agree – working the sequences all help solidify his understanding.
Soft brakes:
>My setup for the soft turns was not very nice, as the tunnel was straight ahead. So I used it as part of the triple: tunnel, wrap, soft turn. I am very happy with his wraps but the so-called soft turns, no bueno. >
The wraps looked GREAT!! And the tunnel sends were strong too of course 🙂
But actually… the soft turns were not that bad! The cues were late so what you were seeing was late info.
The soft brake has the opposite arm that accompanies the shoulder turning away to the new line – you were trying to get the opposite arm in his face but then to finish the turn, you had to open back up. That caused the wider turns because when you opened up you ended up facing straight so you either got the tunnel (1:12) or a wide turn (1:43, 1:47, 2:09, 2:12).
>The last 3 reps (X,Y,Z) were an attempt to give him the information very, very early.>
Your arm rotated to him was early! But that made the shoulder turn really late for this type of line.
Your best timing was on th rep that started at 1:18 – you had your arm present but also turned your shoulders to the new line, so he was able to get the nicest turn there! The earlier you turn your shoulders to the new line, the better he will read it.
>Also, his starting wrap around a wingless standard (for the get-out) looked pretty nice but the wraps with the soft turn were around a wing and they were pretty awful.>
You were not connected on those (exit line arm needed) so he drifted wide trying to figure out which side you wanted. Note how he instantly drove to the line when he saw your connection.
So for the soft brake sequences – yes have your opposite arm present but it doesn’t have to be as much in his face. It is more important to turn your shoulders towards the next line, really drawing the line for him so he can adjust before takeoff.
Nice work here! Let me know how the sequences go!
Tracy
Hi! She did really well here! Sounds like it was a fun day!
She did well with the lateral sends too! Good for her for ignoring other dogs working, that is impressive!
>I did notice that instead of walking in a straight line (over then straight up) I walked out on a diagonal. Didn’t seem to confuse her for these but I could see how that would come into play more when I move the wing out further.>
Yes, it is good to show the parallel line but also, try to look at her more and at the jump less- the disconnect of looking at the jump on the first rep was why she didn’t take it (you can totally use a reset cookie if that happens!
>When I took her in for the xray I did ask the vet about doing a pain trial. Her assessment, based on the physical exam and x-ray results, was that it wasn’t necessary. I’ve followed up with our chiro vet as I feel like she has a better understanding of the pain points and hope to hear back from her in the next couple of days.>
The recurring pain in the right hip area and the on-and-off interest in working/running is what definitely warrants further investigation. The x-rays happily ruled out stuff, but the Chiro keeps finding stuff and we are seeing some behavior that could be pain-based in training. Soft tissue stuff won’t be diagnosed with X-rays, and regular vets are great but they are not good with soft tissue diagnostics.
For example, I love my vet and she does agility! But she gave my 5 year old dog a clean bill of health based on X-rays and said the issues were behavioral… but the soft tissue people found an injury in her elbow and soft tissue injury along with it that required surgery. She never limped – she just shut off of doing sports.
And endorphins/adrenaline will mask pain, so you might not see a reaction at the vet office 🙂
>We will see her again when we are in Chicago as she will be there as well.>
Are you going to the invitational? This is the one year I decided not to go and I will be sad to miss you!
>For this weeks games, Given that I am only doing one rep with her, I’m postponing the Accordion game as it seems like those should be done in one session and will set up the starfish next.
You can do one-reps on the accordion! She does one rep – Jack does a rep. She does the 2nd rep – Jack does a rep. And so on 🙂
>I plan on entering MaxPup 3 and was hoping to take it as a “Live” student, but if we are only doing one rep it seems like this might not be the best session to plan on being live. What do you think? >
I think we can creatively pull it off, but going back to you between every dog or something 🙂 She can watch her classmates on TV 🙂
Have fun!
Tracy
He was definitely clever! And being able to turn away at a distance will be really helpful in the future 🙂
T
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Thanks for the video! Her stay looks good even with the little blooper on the ‘nice’ word 🙂
One thing to add is walking away from her forward rather than backing away – I think the first early release was when you turned to walk forward so she came with you. She caught herself and put herself back in the sit on the last one, good girl! You can say the praise quietly but more drawn out (‘niiiiiiice’) so it doesn’t sound fast – the longer words can often help with the stay because they are not exciting at all LOL!!
But overall she is doing GREAT with her stays! Keep up the good work here!
Tracy
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The new place is really nice! And he has a TON of good value for his mat!!!
For the rear crosses, you were both starting pretty close the prop so there was not enough time for you to get to the other side. Ideally, he would need to see you fully on the new side before he hits the prop, so he can adjust his striding.
You can start with the prop about 15 feet away and as soon as he starts moving towards it, you can be moving to the new side. That should help him see it sooner.
He read the blinds really well! You can make the new side visible sooner by moving away before he finishes his treat. You were waiting for him to tart moving back to you, but that meant the blind was late. So as he is heading to the cookie, you can be running the other way so you have plenty of time and room to get the blind in. That last rep was very timely ad he knew exactly where to be 🙂 Great job!!!
Tracy
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>I do know I need a sitting, down stay and also standing stay for Rally. Would you use this method for teaching those too?>
Yes – but to help clarify the different positions, I would cue them first so he knows what you are looking for (sit, stand, or down).
>We passed our Star puppy test and novice trick title Thursday night so yesterday was a rest day. >
Yay! Congrats!!!
>Today we did a rental at another facility that he has been too but hasn’t been in weeks. It was challenging. >
Overall, he did well!
> We started with the pattern game
Pattern games were definitely a good starting point, maybe outside the ring before going into the ring? You can also up the value of the treat or something really new and exciting in a new place. That will help with the recall too – amazing treats that he only gets in new places 🙂
It only took him about 2 minutes to be able to engage, but then you can end the session before it goes too long.
The tug was very exciting in the new location! He did a GREAT job ignoring it to move to the barrel! And he did a fabulous job on the barrel wrap, decel, drive to toy: impressive!!!! The decel/pivot part was especially great because he could easily have just gone to the toy. What a good pup!!!
He did a great job with his tunnel! He was a little obsessed to making the reward in your hand obvious so he could line up with you was great.
>I also learned smells are more interesting than our recall. Many things to work on and this was harder for him.>
I think he was lovely here! And you can also do shorter sessions (2 oe 3 reps total) then take a break. And those reps can have his favorite toy or mind-blowing treats 🙂
Great job!
Tracy
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>I edited this down into two as we had a few minutes of “out of control tunnel zoomies”>
Ha! She was definitely fire for the tunnels here! And she was enjoying scampering around with her toy LOL
Both videos looked really strong. The only thing she didn’t seem to love was being moved by her collar – that ight be why she didn’t come back to you that fast between each rep. You can try lining her up with a treat in the spot you want to start from, rather than moving her by the collar.
Have you decided what you want your tunnel threadle verbal to be? She is definitely ready for you to add the verbal – ‘tunnel’ will be the ‘on your line’ tunnel entry and your tunnel threadle verbal will be the ‘come in to the off the line tunnel entry’ verbal.
Great job!
Tracy
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The serp/threadle foundation is going really well! She got faster and faster a she figured out the game – and had strong touches!
She was also really funny – she was asking if she could just go directly to the cookies on some of the reps LOL! What can help that is if you let her see you shift your gaze from her face to your hand – that will also help her shift her gaze to the hand 🙂
Great job here! You can add in a toy reward and try to get the toy to the ground!
Tracy
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>It didn’t occur to me until this Stay Game that I am also using OK for drive to handler- I’m rewarding her at my side. Do I need to use Break instead for the agility context or anytime I have her in a stay and she is driving towards me, which could be in a crate? >
Nope! Your general release word can be OK for both.
> I guess 2 questions- should I say a different word like Break or do I even need to release her from the crate?>
If OK is your release word, I don’t think you need to add break because it will mean the same thing 🙂 About releasing from the crate: if she is playing a crate game, then yes you probably want to release her. I also release from the crate in the car but I am lazy and don’t release from the crate at home 🙂
> I added in duration, distance & used the quiet praise word Nice – she broke on “Nice”. She thought it was nice too & deserved to get paid >
Ha! That made me chuckle 🙂 She probably figured that the first word was the release so it was a good moment of teaching her that there might be different words. How did she do on the next rep with it? If she failed again then you can dial it back to a quieter nice or even just a smile to see how she does.
>When I do distance (in a real space lol) should I always maintain eye contact? So like a for real start line stay, always maintain eye contact when I lead out?>
Yes to maintaining eye contact at this baby level of stays so you can see what she is doing 🙂 Eventually you might not need to maintain eye contact as you lead out – the goal is that you can lead out, connect, praise, then release.
The video is a scent foundation game – It was cool!!!! She is a smart! But let me know if there is a stay game too 🙂
Tracy
Hi! Sounds like the trip is really fun!!
>I’d love to see some of the work you’re doing with your mal mix. Is there a place you are sharing anything of that training?>
I am keeping him a bit close to the vest for now, because his parents are very famous (in the flyball world) and people make stupid comments about Mal mixes (in both the agility and flyball worlds LOL!). You’ll see him peppered in a bit here in MaxPup 1. I can add more videos of him to the next set of classes.
He is just about debuting in flyball and maybe an agility debut this summer. Took the winter off of agility training because of being pressured to prioritize flyball in the hopes of being on the “A” team for the North American nationals in September. He is showing times and precision that are putting him amongst the fastest in the country and he isn’t even knowing that it is a race yet, so now my mission is to NOT screw it up hahahahaha>I did snag a quick 30 minute with Hana when we got to Run Wild. I let her know we were just doing baby stuff but wanted him to get to play on artificial turf and in a new place. >
Excellent! And super fun to see Hana doing so well in competing and instructing – when I first met her a few years ago, she was a newbie.
>He was super focused and did great. >
Of course! That is how he rolls! Good boy!
>Mostly wing wrap stuff since I told her we’d been doing barrel wraps and some tunnel stuff. I think I remember the straight line wrap work from Rip’s MaxPup era so suspect we’ll be seeing this again.>
He was so good! Generalizing the wraps to the Galican wings and all that counermotion and tunneling – fabulous! I admit to laughing on the second rep where you went wing to the tunnel – and he took off like there were flames shooting out of his feet. 🔥 It was like he was saying “I UNDERSTAND THE ASSIGNMENT LET’S GOOOOO!” It made you have to hustle and hustle MORE on the next rep when he accelerated even more what a good boy!!!!!! So fun 🙂
Great job here! Keep me posted on your adventures!
Tracy
Hi! Oops, I almost missed these! This session went well too!
He had a bar on the soft turn at :09, I think you swung your arm forward which broke connection so he was trying to see what you wanted.
In the other discussion (below), I mentioned that directed the brake arms towards him (and not towards the jump) gets the best turn. At :12 your brake arms were directed toward the jump, so his turn was good not great 🙂 He had great turns in the next session.
Looking at the threadle wrap – this is a strong skill for him! At 1:29 you were on time, already giving the cues when he exited the tunnel. Very nice! Add a touch of decel and you will have a perfect turn.
At 2:49 you had good timing and you cleared the line AND you had decel: that was my favorite threadle wrap turn for him! YAY!!!
He had 2 front side oopsies, but they were handling bloopers not Scotch bloopers 🙂
At 1:13 you were a little late with the cues (he was already taking off for the front side) and at 2:35 your timing was really good but you were blocking his line, so he couldn’t get in between you and the jump for the backside.The combo of timing/line/decel at 2:49 was definitely the winner!
Great job here!
Tracy
Hi! Lots of great work here and small tweaks to tighten up the spots that can be a little tighter. But once again, he was able to read distance work and also turn nice and tight close to you. Super!
On the first sequence with the threadle wrap on the backside: you can add in a little decel on those! You were moving forward the whole time so while he did read them at :21 and :54, he was a little wide over the bar. You can sprinkle in a tiny bit of decel as he is catching up to you – then move forward again as soon as he turns his head away to the jump.
You were using a rear cross turn away over 3 to get you nicely to position on the threadle wrap and backside pushes: the tightest reps (like at 2:23) on those were when you showed him both hands and decelerated to flip him away. If you were moving forward to giving th info late, he was wide. So as he exits the tunnel, decel and let him see your hands start the turn away cues. We have games for turn away and threadle wraps coming up soon!
FC on the landing side of the backside sequence:
The Front crosses were really good!!! The first one was good. The second one at 2:27 had you facing him for too long, so he was not sure where to go and took the bar.But the brake arm at 3:12 was GORGEOUS plus you were fully rotated, LOVELY turn! Super nice!!!!!
3rd sequence: very nice wrap at 4:10 – the brake arm was directed back to him and he saw it clearly, turning beautifully.
At 4:13 he jumped straight (bar down) because the brake arm was directed forward to the jump and he didn’t see it. Compare that to 4:59 when you were very clearly directing the brake arm to him and he had a lovely turn! Yay! So definitely directing the brake arms back to him make a huge difference.Great job here! Let me know what you think!
Tracy
Good morning! It looks like your trip is off to a great start!!
>Here are some clips from our runs today (he is loving Peyton and Gracie Hoffman’s courses). >
I am liking the smooooooth flowing big lines!! So fun for a dog like him who understands distance.
Really interesting about using the OA on the dog walk approach and getting the extra stride! And it definitely got his attention on the teeter LOL!
On the handling:
* :53 he was looking at the off course tunnel, I would add a soft brake there
* You can do a threadle wrap at 1:05 to tighten that line – doing the BC to the circle wrap worked but didn’t give you enough time to clear his line and get a tight turn on the backside.
You were adding the soft brake in and it worked best when he saw it nice and early, ideally you can start showing it to him as he is n the air over the previous jump . At 1:22 it was late (you started it jut as he was gathering for takeoff. Compare to 1:43 where he saw it as he was landing and it set up a great turn!!
>my decel at the end that led to a dropped bar on the last jump.>
He was so mad! LOL!!!
Great job here!
Tracy
